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Reading Plutarch's Lives for the first time right now. Pretty 180

I feel dumb and prole for not having read this stuff before ...
insane menage queen of the night
  09/19/17
link? need some inspiration
aquamarine cumskin
  09/19/17
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=plutarch
aquamarine cumskin
  09/19/17
this is recommended reading by xo bannon
autistic 180 partner hospital
  09/19/17
180. I've read some individual lives but I really need to re...
Fear-inspiring shrine
  09/19/17
Can you recommend a translation? I like Fagles Illiad
curious fuchsia state mexican
  09/19/17
idk about the Aristophanes, but for Plutarch, I am reading t...
insane menage queen of the night
  09/19/17
To steal a concept from exercise, the best translation is th...
Fear-inspiring shrine
  09/19/17
Ever thought of learning to read either one of them? I have ...
curious fuchsia state mexican
  09/19/17
Nah. I feel like it'd be a lot of work with limited upside, ...
Fear-inspiring shrine
  09/19/17
this is the kind of thing that would be so awesome to just d...
insane menage queen of the night
  09/19/17
The Penguin Classics edition should suffice.
excitant hideous idiot
  09/19/17
im pretty sure guttenberg press website has all these
aquamarine cumskin
  09/19/17
I can't stand reading shit online I like to underline, take...
insane menage queen of the night
  09/19/17
...
curious fuchsia state mexican
  09/19/17
(that guy on the bus)
aquamarine cumskin
  09/19/17
(at the coffeeshop), actually
insane menage queen of the night
  09/19/17
*pushes glasses up*
excitant hideous idiot
  09/19/17
https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Roman-Republic-Penguin-Classics/...
excitant hideous idiot
  09/19/17
I find that I simply remember books a lot better when I have...
Fear-inspiring shrine
  09/19/17
One thing you can do without marking them up is start a &quo...
insane menage queen of the night
  09/19/17
That could work, but it's less about quotes and more about w...
Fear-inspiring shrine
  09/19/17
Highlight in Kindle Export highlights every now and again ...
odious telephone
  09/20/17
I always read physical books though.
Fear-inspiring shrine
  09/20/17
I don't know any of these translators, but you are right: Fa...
Seedy glassy alpha
  09/20/17
PROTIP: read tons of that old shit. Homer, Thucydides, the m...
beady-eyed stage
  09/19/17
cr I have Herodotus and Thucydides on deck as well
insane menage queen of the night
  09/19/17
THis is how I feel about music as well. High IQ ppl should j...
curious fuchsia state mexican
  09/19/17
going to listen to bach, handel, scarlatti, mozart from now ...
aquamarine cumskin
  09/19/17
I'd like to, but it seems overwhelming, like I have no idea ...
Thriller giraffe really tough guy
  09/19/17
10 years ago someone on here recommended starting with bach'...
copper appetizing set haunted graveyard
  09/19/17
ty
Thriller giraffe really tough guy
  09/20/17
Yeah Bach is the place to start. I highly recommend Bach rec...
curious fuchsia state mexican
  09/20/17
...
underhanded box office incel
  09/20/17
(direct descendant of Domenico Scarlatti)
Pink office
  09/20/17
lol. Yeah I'm trolling for the keyboard sonatas. They are fa...
curious fuchsia state mexican
  09/20/17
plutarch's lives are 180, especially of men he's sure are wi...
opaque violent pisswyrm
  09/19/17
Rate this mosaic of Alcibiades from Sparta that makes him lo...
Fear-inspiring shrine
  09/20/17
the man cucked a spartan king. it would have lessened everyo...
opaque violent pisswyrm
  09/20/17
180 work
Fiercely-loyal Sienna Half-breed
  09/20/17
Ty thread delivered. Haven't read the Plutarch but sounds l...
Seedy glassy alpha
  09/20/17
O SOLON, my solon I liked how back then they just said th...
Dead Heaven Karate
  09/20/17
...
insane menage queen of the night
  09/20/17
180. I've read most of the Roman lives but need to go back ...
useless multi-billionaire pit
  09/20/17
Amusingly I'm the opposite; have always found the Greeks sub...
Fear-inspiring shrine
  09/20/17
...
curious fuchsia state mexican
  09/20/17
Rate this description towards the end of the Pericles chapte...
insane menage queen of the night
  09/20/17
that sold it for me grabbing it now
translucent unhinged boistinker affirmative action
  09/20/17
cr
insane menage queen of the night
  09/20/17
any other recs?
translucent unhinged boistinker affirmative action
  09/20/17
I've also recently enjoyed Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics
insane menage queen of the night
  09/20/17
k, is it better than the Republic?
translucent unhinged boistinker affirmative action
  09/20/17
i read most of this in college but dont remember most of it....
silver mad cow disease
  09/20/17
...
odious telephone
  09/20/17
I read this for the first time this summer and am re-reading...
Turquoise fighting den coffee pot
  12/02/18
good read--basically historical gossip
bronze stead corn cake
  12/02/18


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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:31 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

I feel dumb and prole for not having read this stuff before

I'm on Pericles at the moment and highly enjoying it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246768)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:35 PM
Author: aquamarine cumskin

link? need some inspiration

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246798)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:40 PM
Author: aquamarine cumskin

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=plutarch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246831)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:32 PM
Author: autistic 180 partner hospital

this is recommended reading by xo bannon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246771)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:32 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring shrine

180. I've read some individual lives but I really need to read the whole thing. Might get to it after I finish all of Aristophanes' plays.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246778)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:34 PM
Author: curious fuchsia state mexican

Can you recommend a translation? I like Fagles Illiad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246790)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:36 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

idk about the Aristophanes, but for Plutarch, I am reading the Dryden translation in the Encyclopedia Brittanica Great Books of the Western World series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246802)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:37 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring shrine

To steal a concept from exercise, the best translation is the one you'll actually read. I can't read Greek or Latin so I'm certainly no expert on which translation is the most well-done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246810)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:39 PM
Author: curious fuchsia state mexican

Ever thought of learning to read either one of them? I have untouched Greek and Latin texts sitting on my shelf. If only I could spend the time I spend poasting studying Greek LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246825)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:45 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring shrine

Nah. I feel like it'd be a lot of work with limited upside, since I'm not a professional classics scholar and have little innate interest in languages. The thousands of hours I'd have to invest to master those a language could be spent just reading classical texts in translation, or for that matter just studying other fields entirely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246854)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:52 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

this is the kind of thing that would be so awesome to just download into your brain a la The Matrix, but that tech won't be around til long after we're dead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246893)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:39 PM
Author: excitant hideous idiot

The Penguin Classics edition should suffice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246824)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:39 PM
Author: aquamarine cumskin

im pretty sure guttenberg press website has all these

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246827)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:40 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

I can't stand reading shit online

I like to underline, take notes, etc., plus there's just something way more satisfying about holding a book in your hand and turning a page

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246832)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:41 PM
Author: curious fuchsia state mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246834)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:41 PM
Author: aquamarine cumskin

(that guy on the bus)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246835)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:45 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

(at the coffeeshop), actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246851)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:45 PM
Author: excitant hideous idiot

*pushes glasses up*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246856)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:43 PM
Author: excitant hideous idiot

https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Roman-Republic-Penguin-Classics/dp/0140449345/

https://www.amazon.com/Makers-Rome-Lives-Penguin-Classics/dp/0140441581

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246841)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:46 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring shrine

I find that I simply remember books a lot better when I have a physical copy. I should start highlighting and taking notes as well, but I have a lame aversion to "scuffing up" books I own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246857)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:50 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

One thing you can do without marking them up is start a "commonplace book", in which you record 180 quotes/passages you come across for later reference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246887)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:55 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring shrine

That could work, but it's less about quotes and more about wanting to flag the 180 but easily-forgotten facts I encounter in history books. I'm reading a big fat book on the French Revolution right now and it's full of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246916)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: odious telephone

Highlight in Kindle

Export highlights every now and again

Tag exported snippets and store in database

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34248181)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 11:20 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring shrine

I always read physical books though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34250286)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 3:05 AM
Author: Seedy glassy alpha

I don't know any of these translators, but you are right: Fagles is so good for Iliad/Odyssey

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34248909)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:35 PM
Author: beady-eyed stage

PROTIP: read tons of that old shit. Homer, Thucydides, the major playwrights, etc.

many people today scoff at them and have literally never actually read the Odyssey.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246796)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:37 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

cr

I have Herodotus and Thucydides on deck as well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246812)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:38 PM
Author: curious fuchsia state mexican

THis is how I feel about music as well. High IQ ppl should just be reading this and listening to Bach, Handel, Scarlatti, Mozart etc. The craftsmanship shit of this old stuff is just on another level than the GC crap being churned out today

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246815)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:52 PM
Author: aquamarine cumskin

going to listen to bach, handel, scarlatti, mozart from now on ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246900)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 11:30 PM
Author: Thriller giraffe really tough guy

I'd like to, but it seems overwhelming, like I have no idea where to start and then proceed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34247905)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 11:53 PM
Author: copper appetizing set haunted graveyard

10 years ago someone on here recommended starting with bach's goldberg variations for harpsichord, which led me down the rabbit hole.

bach is 180^180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34248080)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 12:00 AM
Author: Thriller giraffe really tough guy

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34248144)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 6:48 PM
Author: curious fuchsia state mexican

Yeah Bach is the place to start. I highly recommend Bach records on harpsichord over piano.

Probably good to just go chronologically

Bach

Haydn

Mozart

Beethoven

Then whatever tickles your fancy from the romantics (schubert, schumann, chopin, Brahms, Tchaikovsky). At that point you're good to go and discover more stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34253944)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 5:15 AM
Author: underhanded box office incel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34249054)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: Pink office

(direct descendant of Domenico Scarlatti)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34249612)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 6:44 PM
Author: curious fuchsia state mexican

lol. Yeah I'm trolling for the keyboard sonatas. They are fantastic tho!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34253908)



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Date: September 19th, 2017 8:51 PM
Author: opaque violent pisswyrm

plutarch's lives are 180, especially of men he's sure are wicked like alcibiades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34246890)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 12:05 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring shrine

Rate this mosaic of Alcibiades from Sparta that makes him look like a conniving supervillain:

http://www.livius.org/site/assets/files/21950/alcibiades_mus_sparta_jvv.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34248172)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 12:08 AM
Author: opaque violent pisswyrm

the man cucked a spartan king. it would have lessened everyone not to treat him as some kind of magical anal faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34248192)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 12:05 AM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Sienna Half-breed

180 work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34248174)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 3:03 AM
Author: Seedy glassy alpha

Ty thread delivered. Haven't read the Plutarch but sounds like I should

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34248906)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: Dead Heaven Karate

O SOLON, my solon

I liked how back then they just said this is how this guy was on account of his immutable nature, which in the coming years we will find to be totally supported by genetic research

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34249595)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 7:06 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254149)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 11:19 AM
Author: useless multi-billionaire pit

180. I've read most of the Roman lives but need to go back and read the Greeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34250273)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 7:06 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring shrine

Amusingly I'm the opposite; have always found the Greeks substantially more interesting than the Romans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254147)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 8:09 PM
Author: curious fuchsia state mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254723)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 6:43 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

Rate this description towards the end of the Pericles chapter:

"At which time Pericles also lost his sister, and the greatest part of his relations and friends, and those who had been most useful and serviceable to him in managing the affairs of state. However, he did not shrink or give in upon these occasions, nor betray or lower his high spirit and the greatness of his mind under all his misfortunes; he was not even so much as seen to weep or mourn, or even attend the burial of any of his friends or relations, till at last he lost his only remaining legitimate son. Subdued by this blow, and yet striving still, as far as he could, to maintain his principle, and to preserve and keep up the greatness of his soul, when he came, however, to perform the ceremony of putting a garland of flowers upon the head of the corpse, he was vanquished by his passion at the sight, so that he burst into exclamations, and shed copious tears, having never done any such thing in all his life before."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34253891)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 7:19 PM
Author: translucent unhinged boistinker affirmative action

that sold it for me

grabbing it now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254283)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 8:02 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254652)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 8:04 PM
Author: translucent unhinged boistinker affirmative action

any other recs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254674)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 8:06 PM
Author: insane menage queen of the night

I've also recently enjoyed Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254702)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 8:12 PM
Author: translucent unhinged boistinker affirmative action

k, is it better than the Republic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254757)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 8:04 PM
Author: silver mad cow disease

i read most of this in college but dont remember most of it. should re-read

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254681)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 8:20 PM
Author: odious telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#34254820)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:44 PM
Author: Turquoise fighting den coffee pot

I read this for the first time this summer and am re-reading in conjunction with other history books.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#37338153)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: bronze stead corn cake

good read--basically historical gossip

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737015&forum_id=2#37338200)