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What is your favorite EPIC POEM?

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Hairraiser stubborn locus
  01/25/18
Song of Roland.
curious windowlicker
  01/25/18
Are you fucking kidding me?
Know-it-all alcoholic principal's office ratface
  01/26/18
(monolingual moutbreathing Trumpkin who can't read medieval ...
curious windowlicker
  01/26/18
you can read medieval french? what else can you read?
Transparent contagious hunting ground
  01/26/18
No. I can read German though.
curious windowlicker
  01/26/18
ever read the Nibelungenlied?
blue trip institution
  01/26/18
Faust > Wagner, but neither are EPIC POETRY in genre
Brass spectacular set nibblets
  01/26/18
not in OG middle high german.
curious windowlicker
  01/26/18
the legend is told, up in Lufthansa Gold...
flushed orchestra pit useless brakes
  01/25/18
Tie between Theogony and Divine Comedy; The Prelude close se...
Stirring clear national
  01/25/18
Paradise Lost
Black multi-colored point
  01/25/18
The Illiad is GOAT
Transparent contagious hunting ground
  01/26/18
the COLUMBIAD, AMERICA'S epic poem
Brass spectacular set nibblets
  01/26/18
TIL, tyft. but wiki goes harsh: "Intended as a natio...
Pink elite field
  01/26/18
it's not even a good poem, but it's so distinctively enlight...
Brass spectacular set nibblets
  01/26/18
Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee, http:/...
Pink elite field
  01/26/18
the lusiads
bateful wild quadroon
  01/26/18
Ship of fools
submissive passionate bawdyhouse idea he suggested
  01/26/18
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Cerise Adventurous Ceo Fortuitous Meteor
  01/26/18
Does Prometheus count?
Aphrodisiac house
  01/26/18
prometheus bound, frankenstein: or the modern prometheus, or...
Brass spectacular set nibblets
  01/26/18
The Prophet
Bearded rebellious indian lodge
  01/26/18
I liked the Aeneid a lot. Found Paradise Lost dreadful. ...
Claret piazza reading party
  01/26/18
Aeneid is my favorite too never read the indian epics
Hairraiser stubborn locus
  01/26/18
For storyline, the Aeneid. For actual poetry, probably P...
sepia flickering abode crotch
  01/26/18
what language are you reading paradise lost in thats "c...
Transparent contagious hunting ground
  01/26/18
what translation of the aeneid did you read?
Hairraiser stubborn locus
  01/26/18
The Aeneid is a linguistic tour de force. Only about half of...
Claret piazza reading party
  01/26/18
yep that kind of shit is completely lost on me. to me the Ae...
sepia flickering abode crotch
  01/26/18
It's actually pretty easy. http://www.skidmore.edu/academ...
Claret piazza reading party
  01/26/18
well yes I know poetry works, but I don't read Latin so the ...
sepia flickering abode crotch
  01/26/18
Well, a major part of poetry is cadence, and that was an opp...
Claret piazza reading party
  01/26/18
you can read the whole damn poem in latin fluently and under...
Hairraiser stubborn locus
  01/26/18
A couple of years, but I had no idea how to learn languages ...
Claret piazza reading party
  01/26/18
How did you learn to learn languages? I always found languag...
Hairraiser stubborn locus
  01/26/18
cr pls describe your technique, Stephen.
disrespectful stage puppy
  01/26/18
I think most language classes actually hamper and discourage...
Claret piazza reading party
  01/26/18
180 tyft
disrespectful stage puppy
  01/26/18
180
disrespectful stage puppy
  01/26/18
trolling aside, the Aeneid is a more interesting epic to a m...
Brass spectacular set nibblets
  01/26/18
Homeric, followed by paradise lost.
Swashbuckling painfully honest wagecucks nursing home
  01/26/18
what do you like better, illiad or odyssey?
Hairraiser stubborn locus
  01/26/18
for a while it was the odyssey but then I re-read fitzgerald...
Swashbuckling painfully honest wagecucks nursing home
  01/26/18
I like the Iliad better. girls supposedly like the odyssey b...
Hairraiser stubborn locus
  01/26/18
fagles is 180. First thing I read by him was the Three Theba...
disrespectful stage puppy
  01/26/18
yeah I read his translation for that too
Hairraiser stubborn locus
  01/26/18
Beowulf
Exciting toaster personal credit line
  01/26/18
We all love Seamus Heaney here
Stirring clear national
  01/26/18


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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:55 PM
Author: Hairraiser stubborn locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240387)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: curious windowlicker

Song of Roland.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240396)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: Know-it-all alcoholic principal's office ratface

Are you fucking kidding me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241628)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:30 AM
Author: curious windowlicker

(monolingual moutbreathing Trumpkin who can't read medieval French)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242424)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:33 AM
Author: Transparent contagious hunting ground

you can read medieval french? what else can you read?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242432)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:44 AM
Author: curious windowlicker

No. I can read German though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242464)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:10 AM
Author: blue trip institution

ever read the Nibelungenlied?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242509)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:11 AM
Author: Brass spectacular set nibblets

Faust > Wagner, but neither are EPIC POETRY in genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242513)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:20 AM
Author: curious windowlicker

not in OG middle high german.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242557)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: flushed orchestra pit useless brakes

the legend is told, up in Lufthansa Gold...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240398)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Stirring clear national

Tie between Theogony and Divine Comedy; The Prelude close second

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240400)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: Black multi-colored point

Paradise Lost

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240412)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:12 AM
Author: Transparent contagious hunting ground

The Illiad is GOAT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241594)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:12 AM
Author: Brass spectacular set nibblets

the COLUMBIAD, AMERICA'S epic poem

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241600)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: Pink elite field

TIL, tyft.

but wiki goes harsh: "Intended as a national epic for the United States it was popular with the reading public for a few years, and was compared with Homer, Virgil and Milton, but it has since been for the most part dismissed as an overblown and tedious failure."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242570)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:47 AM
Author: Brass spectacular set nibblets

it's not even a good poem, but it's so distinctively enlightenment AMERICAN. the invocation is even to Freedom:

"Almighty Freedom! give my venturous song

The force, the charm that to thy voice belong;

This thine to shape my course, to light my way,

To nerve my country with patriot lay,

To teach all men where all their interest lies,

How rulers may be just and nations wise:

Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee,

Invoke no miracle, no Muse but thee."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242764)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: Pink elite field

Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee,

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01381/obama_bow_1381505c.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242803)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:13 AM
Author: bateful wild quadroon

the lusiads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241603)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: submissive passionate bawdyhouse idea he suggested

Ship of fools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241609)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: Cerise Adventurous Ceo Fortuitous Meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241614)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac house

Does Prometheus count?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241629)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:18 AM
Author: Brass spectacular set nibblets

prometheus bound, frankenstein: or the modern prometheus, or the film

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241636)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:47 AM
Author: Bearded rebellious indian lodge

The Prophet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242470)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: Claret piazza reading party

I liked the Aeneid a lot.

Found Paradise Lost dreadful.

Anybody read the Indian epics, like Ramayana or Mahabharata? Worth diving into?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242495)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: Hairraiser stubborn locus

Aeneid is my favorite too

never read the indian epics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242499)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: sepia flickering abode crotch

For storyline, the Aeneid.

For actual poetry, probably Paradise Lost because it is written in English and I can appreciate it in something close to the original language.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242498)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:06 AM
Author: Transparent contagious hunting ground

what language are you reading paradise lost in thats "close to english"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242500)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Hairraiser stubborn locus

what translation of the aeneid did you read?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242516)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: Claret piazza reading party

The Aeneid is a linguistic tour de force. Only about half of Latin words were available to fit the dactylic hexameter, the meter used in the Aeneid. This is like Michael Jordan winning a championship playing with one arm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242569)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: sepia flickering abode crotch

yep that kind of shit is completely lost on me. to me the Aeneid is a prose work cuz I read it in translation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242574)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Claret piazza reading party

It's actually pretty easy.

http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/classics/courses/1998fall/cl202/resource/meter/metintro.html

Don't pay any attention to the technical vocabulary. Just look at the diagrams. Essentially, each line can have six rhythmic units, and each unit can be two long syllables (-- -- ) or a long syllable followed by two short ones (-- x x). There's freedom to combine the former with the latter in a line, inducing a hypnotic effect on the listener.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGMqzL0xRk&t=0m55s



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242681)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: sepia flickering abode crotch

well yes I know poetry works, but I don't read Latin so the effect of reading the Aeneid in the original Latin and being impressed by Vergil's mastery of Latin is not something I'll ever experience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242781)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:16 AM
Author: Claret piazza reading party

Well, a major part of poetry is cadence, and that was an opportunity to learn something about an epic poem you like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242944)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: Hairraiser stubborn locus

you can read the whole damn poem in latin fluently and understand all of it? how many classes did you have to take to be able to do that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242920)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:17 AM
Author: Claret piazza reading party

A couple of years, but I had no idea how to learn languages back then.

Almost anyone can do it in a few months of study.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242949)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:23 AM
Author: Hairraiser stubborn locus

How did you learn to learn languages? I always found language classes to be a pain in the ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242989)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:26 AM
Author: disrespectful stage puppy

cr pls describe your technique, Stephen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243007)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:38 AM
Author: Claret piazza reading party

I think most language classes actually hamper and discourage people from learning languages.

I was initially inspired by the guy in the article, who used to poast on a language forum:

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871623&mc=6&forum_id=2

He shared his techniques on the forum, and gradually, other people began doing some wild experiments and sharing the results. They would start something really crazy, or expand on other people's methods.

So I began my own journey, and it took me a while to experiment and nail down a process that works for me. But everyone has to find a method that works for him, to accommodate his level of motivation, time, interests, etc etc.

Here are a couple of things that I think are universally important:

-Sound should be the primary component in learning any language, even dead ones. I now refuse to learn any language without sound recordings. If one doesn't exist, I'll record it myself.

-Take smaller bites. Focus on learning about ten to twenty sentences a day, listening to them and repeating them throughout the day.

- But not too small. It's much more helpful to learn vocabulary in the context of a sentence than trying to memorize a list.

- Repetition is key. Frequent repetition establishes the fundamentals.

- Don't worry too much about grammar at first. The sentences you internalize will give you a great footing to formalize your grammar study later. That way, learning grammar becomes fun and not a chore.

There are some techniques I've learned from other people, and even invented along the way, but the above are the basic gist of my approach.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243123)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: disrespectful stage puppy

180 tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243173)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:25 AM
Author: disrespectful stage puppy

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243001)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: Brass spectacular set nibblets

trolling aside, the Aeneid is a more interesting epic to a modern audience than either of the Homeric ones. the Iliad has vast swathes where nothing really happens, but it's hard to go more than 50 lines in the Aeneid without interest, because it's a denser poem responding to Hellenistic epic. and the last 4 books are incredibly underrated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242714)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: Swashbuckling painfully honest wagecucks nursing home

Homeric, followed by paradise lost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242527)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:15 AM
Author: Hairraiser stubborn locus

what do you like better, illiad or odyssey?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242530)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: Swashbuckling painfully honest wagecucks nursing home

for a while it was the odyssey but then I re-read fitzgeralds iliad again and ... I think I prefer it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242954)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: Hairraiser stubborn locus

I like the Iliad better. girls supposedly like the odyssey better. I have read the lattimore and fagles translations and liked fagles a lot better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242978)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:28 AM
Author: disrespectful stage puppy

fagles is 180. First thing I read by him was the Three Theban Plays and was hooked for life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243026)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:30 AM
Author: Hairraiser stubborn locus

yeah I read his translation for that too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243046)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: Exciting toaster personal credit line

Beowulf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242775)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: Stirring clear national

We all love Seamus Heaney here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242779)