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What is your favorite EPIC POEM?

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cracking apoplectic institution ceo
  01/25/18
Song of Roland.
Orchid Property Degenerate
  01/25/18
Are you fucking kidding me?
at-the-ready appetizing lay love of her life
  01/26/18
(monolingual moutbreathing Trumpkin who can't read medieval ...
Orchid Property Degenerate
  01/26/18
you can read medieval french? what else can you read?
Provocative national goyim
  01/26/18
No. I can read German though.
Orchid Property Degenerate
  01/26/18
ever read the Nibelungenlied?
rebellious floppy abode
  01/26/18
Faust > Wagner, but neither are EPIC POETRY in genre
metal feces
  01/26/18
not in OG middle high german.
Orchid Property Degenerate
  01/26/18
the legend is told, up in Lufthansa Gold...
Sapphire Jet-lagged Church
  01/25/18
Tie between Theogony and Divine Comedy; The Prelude close se...
Glittery factory reset button indian lodge
  01/25/18
Paradise Lost
french shivering school cafeteria
  01/25/18
The Illiad is GOAT
Provocative national goyim
  01/26/18
the COLUMBIAD, AMERICA'S epic poem
metal feces
  01/26/18
TIL, tyft. but wiki goes harsh: "Intended as a natio...
olive aphrodisiac voyeur corner
  01/26/18
it's not even a good poem, but it's so distinctively enlight...
metal feces
  01/26/18
Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee, http:/...
olive aphrodisiac voyeur corner
  01/26/18
the lusiads
laughsome field
  01/26/18
Ship of fools
flesh bawdyhouse
  01/26/18
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low-t dilemma
  01/26/18
Does Prometheus count?
overrated impertinent multi-billionaire
  01/26/18
prometheus bound, frankenstein: or the modern prometheus, or...
metal feces
  01/26/18
The Prophet
diverse trust fund double fault
  01/26/18
I liked the Aeneid a lot. Found Paradise Lost dreadful. ...
greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker
  01/26/18
Aeneid is my favorite too never read the indian epics
cracking apoplectic institution ceo
  01/26/18
For storyline, the Aeneid. For actual poetry, probably P...
arousing effete kitchen
  01/26/18
what language are you reading paradise lost in thats "c...
Provocative national goyim
  01/26/18
what translation of the aeneid did you read?
cracking apoplectic institution ceo
  01/26/18
The Aeneid is a linguistic tour de force. Only about half of...
greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker
  01/26/18
yep that kind of shit is completely lost on me. to me the Ae...
arousing effete kitchen
  01/26/18
It's actually pretty easy. http://www.skidmore.edu/academ...
greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker
  01/26/18
well yes I know poetry works, but I don't read Latin so the ...
arousing effete kitchen
  01/26/18
Well, a major part of poetry is cadence, and that was an opp...
greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker
  01/26/18
you can read the whole damn poem in latin fluently and under...
cracking apoplectic institution ceo
  01/26/18
A couple of years, but I had no idea how to learn languages ...
greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker
  01/26/18
How did you learn to learn languages? I always found languag...
cracking apoplectic institution ceo
  01/26/18
cr pls describe your technique, Stephen.
Crystalline Goal In Life
  01/26/18
I think most language classes actually hamper and discourage...
greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker
  01/26/18
180 tyft
Crystalline Goal In Life
  01/26/18
180
Crystalline Goal In Life
  01/26/18
trolling aside, the Aeneid is a more interesting epic to a m...
metal feces
  01/26/18
Homeric, followed by paradise lost.
Odious Arrogant Garrison Ratface
  01/26/18
what do you like better, illiad or odyssey?
cracking apoplectic institution ceo
  01/26/18
for a while it was the odyssey but then I re-read fitzgerald...
Odious Arrogant Garrison Ratface
  01/26/18
I like the Iliad better. girls supposedly like the odyssey b...
cracking apoplectic institution ceo
  01/26/18
fagles is 180. First thing I read by him was the Three Theba...
Crystalline Goal In Life
  01/26/18
yeah I read his translation for that too
cracking apoplectic institution ceo
  01/26/18
Beowulf
free-loading doctorate partner
  01/26/18
We all love Seamus Heaney here
Glittery factory reset button indian lodge
  01/26/18


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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:55 PM
Author: cracking apoplectic institution ceo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240387)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Orchid Property Degenerate

Song of Roland.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240396)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: at-the-ready appetizing lay love of her life

Are you fucking kidding me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241628)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:30 AM
Author: Orchid Property Degenerate

(monolingual moutbreathing Trumpkin who can't read medieval French)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242424)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:33 AM
Author: Provocative national goyim

you can read medieval french? what else can you read?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242432)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:44 AM
Author: Orchid Property Degenerate

No. I can read German though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242464)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:10 AM
Author: rebellious floppy abode

ever read the Nibelungenlied?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242509)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:11 AM
Author: metal feces

Faust > Wagner, but neither are EPIC POETRY in genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242513)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:20 AM
Author: Orchid Property Degenerate

not in OG middle high german.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242557)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Sapphire Jet-lagged Church

the legend is told, up in Lufthansa Gold...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240398)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Glittery factory reset button indian lodge

Tie between Theogony and Divine Comedy; The Prelude close second

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240400)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: french shivering school cafeteria

Paradise Lost

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240412)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:12 AM
Author: Provocative national goyim

The Illiad is GOAT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241594)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:12 AM
Author: metal feces

the COLUMBIAD, AMERICA'S epic poem

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241600)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: olive aphrodisiac voyeur corner

TIL, tyft.

but wiki goes harsh: "Intended as a national epic for the United States it was popular with the reading public for a few years, and was compared with Homer, Virgil and Milton, but it has since been for the most part dismissed as an overblown and tedious failure."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242570)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:47 AM
Author: metal feces

it's not even a good poem, but it's so distinctively enlightenment AMERICAN. the invocation is even to Freedom:

"Almighty Freedom! give my venturous song

The force, the charm that to thy voice belong;

This thine to shape my course, to light my way,

To nerve my country with patriot lay,

To teach all men where all their interest lies,

How rulers may be just and nations wise:

Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee,

Invoke no miracle, no Muse but thee."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242764)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: olive aphrodisiac voyeur corner

Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee,

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01381/obama_bow_1381505c.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242803)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:13 AM
Author: laughsome field

the lusiads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241603)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: flesh bawdyhouse

Ship of fools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241609)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: low-t dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241614)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: overrated impertinent multi-billionaire

Does Prometheus count?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241629)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:18 AM
Author: metal feces

prometheus bound, frankenstein: or the modern prometheus, or the film

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241636)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:47 AM
Author: diverse trust fund double fault

The Prophet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242470)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker

I liked the Aeneid a lot.

Found Paradise Lost dreadful.

Anybody read the Indian epics, like Ramayana or Mahabharata? Worth diving into?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242495)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: cracking apoplectic institution ceo

Aeneid is my favorite too

never read the indian epics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242499)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: arousing effete kitchen

For storyline, the Aeneid.

For actual poetry, probably Paradise Lost because it is written in English and I can appreciate it in something close to the original language.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242498)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:06 AM
Author: Provocative national goyim

what language are you reading paradise lost in thats "close to english"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242500)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: cracking apoplectic institution ceo

what translation of the aeneid did you read?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242516)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker

The Aeneid is a linguistic tour de force. Only about half of Latin words were available to fit the dactylic hexameter, the meter used in the Aeneid. This is like Michael Jordan winning a championship playing with one arm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242569)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: arousing effete kitchen

yep that kind of shit is completely lost on me. to me the Aeneid is a prose work cuz I read it in translation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242574)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker

It's actually pretty easy.

http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/classics/courses/1998fall/cl202/resource/meter/metintro.html

Don't pay any attention to the technical vocabulary. Just look at the diagrams. Essentially, each line can have six rhythmic units, and each unit can be two long syllables (-- -- ) or a long syllable followed by two short ones (-- x x). There's freedom to combine the former with the latter in a line, inducing a hypnotic effect on the listener.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGMqzL0xRk&t=0m55s



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242681)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: arousing effete kitchen

well yes I know poetry works, but I don't read Latin so the effect of reading the Aeneid in the original Latin and being impressed by Vergil's mastery of Latin is not something I'll ever experience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242781)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:16 AM
Author: greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker

Well, a major part of poetry is cadence, and that was an opportunity to learn something about an epic poem you like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242944)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: cracking apoplectic institution ceo

you can read the whole damn poem in latin fluently and understand all of it? how many classes did you have to take to be able to do that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242920)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:17 AM
Author: greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker

A couple of years, but I had no idea how to learn languages back then.

Almost anyone can do it in a few months of study.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242949)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:23 AM
Author: cracking apoplectic institution ceo

How did you learn to learn languages? I always found language classes to be a pain in the ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242989)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:26 AM
Author: Crystalline Goal In Life

cr pls describe your technique, Stephen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243007)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:38 AM
Author: greedy aquamarine police squad windowlicker

I think most language classes actually hamper and discourage people from learning languages.

I was initially inspired by the guy in the article, who used to poast on a language forum:

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871623&mc=6&forum_id=2

He shared his techniques on the forum, and gradually, other people began doing some wild experiments and sharing the results. They would start something really crazy, or expand on other people's methods.

So I began my own journey, and it took me a while to experiment and nail down a process that works for me. But everyone has to find a method that works for him, to accommodate his level of motivation, time, interests, etc etc.

Here are a couple of things that I think are universally important:

-Sound should be the primary component in learning any language, even dead ones. I now refuse to learn any language without sound recordings. If one doesn't exist, I'll record it myself.

-Take smaller bites. Focus on learning about ten to twenty sentences a day, listening to them and repeating them throughout the day.

- But not too small. It's much more helpful to learn vocabulary in the context of a sentence than trying to memorize a list.

- Repetition is key. Frequent repetition establishes the fundamentals.

- Don't worry too much about grammar at first. The sentences you internalize will give you a great footing to formalize your grammar study later. That way, learning grammar becomes fun and not a chore.

There are some techniques I've learned from other people, and even invented along the way, but the above are the basic gist of my approach.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243123)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: Crystalline Goal In Life

180 tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243173)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:25 AM
Author: Crystalline Goal In Life

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243001)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: metal feces

trolling aside, the Aeneid is a more interesting epic to a modern audience than either of the Homeric ones. the Iliad has vast swathes where nothing really happens, but it's hard to go more than 50 lines in the Aeneid without interest, because it's a denser poem responding to Hellenistic epic. and the last 4 books are incredibly underrated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242714)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: Odious Arrogant Garrison Ratface

Homeric, followed by paradise lost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242527)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:15 AM
Author: cracking apoplectic institution ceo

what do you like better, illiad or odyssey?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242530)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: Odious Arrogant Garrison Ratface

for a while it was the odyssey but then I re-read fitzgeralds iliad again and ... I think I prefer it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242954)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: cracking apoplectic institution ceo

I like the Iliad better. girls supposedly like the odyssey better. I have read the lattimore and fagles translations and liked fagles a lot better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242978)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:28 AM
Author: Crystalline Goal In Life

fagles is 180. First thing I read by him was the Three Theban Plays and was hooked for life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243026)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:30 AM
Author: cracking apoplectic institution ceo

yeah I read his translation for that too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243046)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: free-loading doctorate partner

Beowulf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242775)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: Glittery factory reset button indian lodge

We all love Seamus Heaney here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242779)