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car master men: what 2018 compact SUV should I buy
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: impertinent goal in life We are a Toyota family but the Rav4 has fallen like WUSTL in the USNWR rankings (not flame):
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/compact-suvs/grid/overall
Is the Honda CR-V the new POTUS of this class? Is the Mazda CX-5 a legit top 3 compact SUV or just gaming the rankings like UChicago? What the fuck is a GMC? |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: sepia comical volcanic crater Those cars fucking suck.
Go test drive a Toyota Tacoma. |
Date: February 5th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: hairraiser orange library Mercedes GLC 63 AMG. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35331775) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: impertinent goal in life is that under $25,000? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35331792) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: hairraiser orange library Oh, then the solution is to get more $$$s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35331806) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard Subaru outback is best in class IMO to the extent it competes with the rav4 and crv. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35331815) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:36 PM Author: impertinent goal in life USNWR does not consider the Outback to be a compact SUV. It considers the Subaru Forester to be the compact SUV and does not rank it highly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332506) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Exciting Plum Windowlicker Home outback is bigger, more fuel efficient and actually 4WD compared to those other options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332515) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:38 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard who cares what USNWR says all those cars compete in the same market. The forester is trash, outback is tcr and a great value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332524) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: impertinent goal in life Looks like the base model Subaru Outback is just outside my price range. Is the base model TTT or prestigious? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332530) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:47 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard The base model is fine and comes nicely appointed. The only standard feature that it doesn't have compared to the model above it is dual zone climate control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332570) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: impertinent goal in life OK I am talking to my wife on the phone right now and telling her that bloodacre is saying that the base model subaru outback is okay.
she wants to know if it has a backup camera |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: doobsian concupiscible ladyboy genital piercing All new cars have backup cams now. Federally mandated.
Edit: I take that back. The mandate doesn't kick in until May of this year.
The base model 2018 Outback does have a cam though. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:52 PM Author: Exciting Plum Windowlicker Home backup camera with the stupid guidance lines is the best and only must have tech advancement in recent years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332596) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: doobsian concupiscible ladyboy genital piercing Yeah. I think I'm going to add one to my 2011 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332626) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard lol yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332632) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:54 PM Author: House-broken rehab boistinker There's nothing wrong w the forester it's a good small 4WD car for ~20k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332615) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard ok fine.
what about a 2005 wrx wagon? |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:03 PM Author: House-broken rehab boistinker I like the look but how's the upkeep on those (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332663) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:04 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard i bought my cousin's about 6 months ago. only had 60k miles on it and he didn't mod it or anything.
I love it and haven't had any issues. not very efficient though. only about 21 mpg. |
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Date: June 28th, 2019 12:09 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard 2 years into ownership. Still no problems and about 95k miles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#38455942) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: alcoholic henna becky mediation Outbacks are prestigious IMO. As much space as a small SUV while avoiding the prole, oafish image of SUVs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332736) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: Brindle infuriating gaping boiling water But get the 2018.
https://files.catbox.moe/g3v66t.jpg |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:42 PM Author: Frisky seedy theatre clown as an owner of a compact SUV, i've learned that they are shit cars. the entire class. do not buy a compact SUV. either get a full size SUV, or get a sedan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332538) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: impertinent goal in life my wife has decreed that our next car must be an SUV. she does not want to put a carseat into a sedan because she has deemed this too difficult. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332544) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:45 PM Author: Frisky seedy theatre clown front or rear facing? if rear facing, definitely do not get a compact SUV. it is no better than a sedan. make your wife go with you to do the dealership and actually put your car seat(s) in there. you'll see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332556) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: impertinent goal in life aren't they all rear facing by law now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332564) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:50 PM Author: Frisky seedy theatre clown only up to a certain age. CA just increased it to 2 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332586) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:51 PM Author: impertinent goal in life OK. We have a third trimester fetus so I think we'll be dealing with rear-facing car seats for quite some time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332592) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:47 PM Author: doobsian concupiscible ladyboy genital piercing Yet another reason to look at the Outback. Definitely enough rear-seat room for rear-facing car seat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332568) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: impertinent goal in life what about TWO rear facing car seats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332629) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:00 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332649) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:09 PM Author: Frisky seedy theatre clown do not do this. trust me. you will hate yourself if you get a compact SUV.
don't test with the infant car seat. you need to test with the convertible car seat, because that's where the kid will be after 6-12 months, for a period of years thereafter.
there are a lot of youtube videos showing car seats installed in various cars, that can help. |
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Date: February 6th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: domesticated parlor it doesn't make much difference for the kid. just depends on how much front seat legroom you want/need. the farther back you move it starts to push the baby seat up. actually, big suvs with 3rd rows aren't much better because they don't really have all that much more room in the middle row. big boat sedans with massive back seats are probably the best for that though you'll end up banging the kids' heads on the door frame more often than you should. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35338565) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 8:04 PM Author: Coiffed mexican temple This isn’t really true. Car seats are easier to put into SUVs because they ride higher than most sedans and you don’t have to awkwardly bend over. That goes for putting children in rear or from facing seats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333106) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: Vengeful marvelous ceo has she ever paused and thought about how viscerally fucking retarded this statement is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332582) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:52 PM Author: impertinent goal in life I told my wife that XO thinks a rear facing car seat won't be easier to fit into a Rav4 and she just went nuts. She can't imagine how that could possibly be true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332598) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:52 PM Author: magenta kitty institution We have one kid with rear facing car seat (over 2 but keeping him rear facing as long as possible for safety) in a compact suv and can confirm it is no better than a sedan and no extra space. Forget 2 kids.
Get a larger suv or just stick with a sedan. We are getting a larger suv |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:54 PM Author: Exciting Plum Windowlicker Home not the Touareg! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332607) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:59 PM Author: magenta kitty institution Somebody totaled the sedan while it was parked (person had a seizure) so it’ll prob be declared a total loss. Tourareg is here to stay but we are getting a real suv. I can’t believe the highest trim for a Honda Pilot is like $45k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332643) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:02 PM Author: Exciting Plum Windowlicker Home You have a Tiguan, not a Touareg. I was fearing you were trading in the shitty VW for a bigger shit VW, it the truth is even worse :(
So sedan is dead and you are going to have a big suv and a small non 4wd suv? Get a cayenne or something. You are rich. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: magenta kitty institution Yeah I meant Tiguan. The tourareg is really expensive if you want keyless and other shit. I like the Volvo XC90 but the model I want is over $65k. All suvs are super pricey esp if you want 4wd. Cayenne would be stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332714) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:55 PM Author: impertinent goal in life We hope to one day be blessed with the need to have two rear facing car seats in the same car. My wife can't believe that a Rav4 would not be able to do this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332616) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:55 PM Author: Exciting Plum Windowlicker Home there is no room behind the driver's seat of a RAV4 if you are taller than 5'2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332623) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: magenta kitty institution You can do it but it’s no better than stuffing 2 into a sedan. Also the trunk space is shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332627) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:02 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332660) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: Ruddy insecure persian love of her life "Get a larger suv or just stick with a sedan. We are getting a larger suv"
A van would be a million times more functional than a large SUV. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: Brindle infuriating gaping boiling water "she does not want to put a carseat into a sedan because she has deemed this too difficult."
Isn't it widely accepted that car seats are easiest to install in minivans? |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:48 PM Author: impertinent goal in life yes but I don't want a minivan. I consider a minivan beneath my dignity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332987) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:56 PM Author: Cyan menage Used R63 AMG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333049) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:11 PM Author: Brindle infuriating gaping boiling water Ah, you like playing on hard mode. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333647) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 10:37 PM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage i'll get a minivan some day. sienna AWD ALL DAY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35897357) |
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Date: July 1st, 2019 6:22 PM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#38469854) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:55 PM Author: Ruddy insecure persian love of her life doesn't access to the trunk make it better than a sedan? ability to toss stuff back there etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332622) |
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Date: February 6th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: hairraiser orange library That's not really true, they just aren't good for all use cases. If you're a DINK couple that needs something with some ground clearance, decent performance, some space for road trips (but not too much space), etc. then it works really well. And they're cheaper than full sized equivalents and better on gas. For example, the Mercedes GLC and Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes GLE and Porsche Cayenne. I'm going with the latter but that's because wife + dog + possible child(ren). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35338588) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage why not buy CPO? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332545) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:44 PM Author: impertinent goal in life I'm looking primarily at Toyotas and they retain their value to a degree that makes CPOs a questionable bargain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332547) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:45 PM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage if you're looking for a small SUV i wouldn't go toyota.
subaru forester, subaru outback, honda cr-v, maybe one of the american ones. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: impertinent goal in life right, that is literally what I am asking in my OP
I am conditioned to think of Toyota as the master race of dependable cars, so I wanted to confirm with prestigious XO bros that Hondas, Mazdas, etc. are actually CR |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:54 PM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage yeah, i honestly can't give you good advice here. i'm not a carmo. i'm just parroting what i've read.
(i'll probably buy myself a 3-year-old subaru outback this year) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:47 PM Author: charismatic spruce coldplay fan deer antler Pretty sure we have never been ranked higher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332567) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:54 PM Author: impertinent goal in life How different are Hondas from Toyotas on the inside? I get a lot of free car work done by my father-in-law who knows Toyotas very well. Would it be hard for him to service a Honda? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332609) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:01 PM Author: indigo mad cow disease indian lodge 1. it's a hyper-competitive segment. anything in the top half of a synthesis of the major rankings will be good because they are all fighting to maximize that cuv/little suv dollar.
2. i think the old gmc terrain was shit, pure shit. my sister bought the new one and it's really nice. worth a test drive if you're in that segment. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:02 PM Author: black dead locus depressive My wife really wants an HRV for some reason (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332657) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:05 PM Author: indigo mad cow disease indian lodge i don't get how someone could "really want" anything in this segment. they are essentially
it is like really wanting wonder bread vs. bimbo or something. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:06 PM Author: black dead locus depressive beats me man, she thinks its cute (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332688) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:08 PM Author: drab garrison Maybe something like a Honda Pilot would be a good compromise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332702) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: beta greedy lay haunted graveyard Land Cruiser (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332712) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: Frisky seedy theatre clown also, it's lame, but a van is functional as fuck. every single time i get in my compact SUV i think how about how much i wish i had bought a van instead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332716) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:12 PM Author: impertinent goal in life I would rather kill myself than buy a van. This is one indignity I will never allow fatherhood to impose on me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332730) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:17 PM Author: Frisky seedy theatre clown yeah, i know. i don't own one either.
seriously though car seats are fucking huge. safest is for them to be fully reclined, rear facing, so they're long as fuck. also it's unsafe for the top of the car seat to touch the back of the seat in front of it, you need 1-2" clearance. i underestimated how big they are, and it's the single most important thing. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:19 PM Author: Vivacious canary set new version Get one and it will change your life. Think about chilly in get shorty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35334322) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:11 PM Author: indigo mad cow disease indian lodge just do buy early 90s turbo caravan and BOOOOST it and run like 10s or 11s at the dragstrip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332723) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: Up-to-no-good contagious nursing home not flame I looked into this for several hours last weekend. My GF wants a compact SUV (only thing she wants, has to be small). WEnt to Carmax with her and sat in like every make and model out there across all price ranges (I actually liked the Murano interior of the lower cost cars).
Then we went to the Honda dealership and test drove a decked out HRV. It was surprisingly nice and she loved it. Tons of legroom in the back seat. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:45 PM Author: Cyan menage RAV4 is the best. Everything else is a junk turbo (I think). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332965) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:46 PM Author: impertinent goal in life why should I believe you over the USNWR rankings and other sources which indicate that Honda is #1? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35332970) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:48 PM Author: Cyan menage Because they focus on stupid shit and have fucked up methodology.
Do you want something reliable? Get a Toyota. If you want some fucktard features get something else.
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:50 PM Author: impertinent goal in life in what ways is the Honda CR-V unreliable? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333007) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:55 PM Author: Cyan menage It has a good engine, but it also has a shit CVT transmission which makes it inferior to the RAV4. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333045) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:58 PM Author: impertinent goal in life ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333062) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 10:39 PM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage thoughts on rav4 hybrid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35897365) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 8:00 PM Author: hateful national gay wizard you are straight up wrong on this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333074) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:16 PM Author: olive ape In the non luxury market, most are just non turbo slow v4s iirc. Forrester has a turbo 4 option, and maybe one or two other models do too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333707) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 7:50 PM Author: Shaky jewess tattoo just buy a Jeep Grand Cherokee (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333008) |
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Date: February 6th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: hairraiser orange library JGCs start at $30k and get to over $50k well equipped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35340979) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 8:34 PM Author: Cream spot coffee pot 2 Year old Cx5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333313) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:20 PM Author: bistre people who are hurt azn Subaru Forester XT - fun as hell, lots of room, great vis, awd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35333741) |
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Date: June 28th, 2019 1:09 AM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4291852&mc=3&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#38454275) |
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Date: July 1st, 2019 5:19 AM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#38467564) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:25 PM Author: Brindle infuriating gaping boiling water https://goo.gl/xHtzCg
Tons of space. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:18 PM Author: Vivacious canary set new version I have a sedan, a crv, a minivan and 2 kids. Sedan is the worst for car seats. Crv sits higher than sedan, which is nice on back, but interior is no bigger than sedan. Minivan is the goat potus and my primary choice anytime I have to take the kids somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35334305) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:19 PM Author: impertinent goal in life discuss the logistics of putting two car seats in a crv (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35334314) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:26 PM Author: Vivacious canary set new version You don't want to do rear facing behind driver unless you're short; forward facing behind driver is ok, except for kicking. Can't fit a car seat in middle if you have two seats, so middle is empty, but not enough room for an adult there (ie two kids two adults tops). Since crv sits high, you're not bending over as much to strap them in. But good luck if they throw a toy or bottle into the middle because the only way to get it is to reach over the car seat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35334408) |
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Date: February 6th, 2018 12:34 AM Author: Brindle infuriating gaping boiling water "except for kicking."
That deserves a beating. |
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Date: February 6th, 2018 8:02 AM Author: irradiated fat ankles selfie spend $15-20K on a CPO toyota/lexus fullsize SUV instead, especially since you don't have to care that much about fuel economy in light of recent trends in oil production (colt can explain the long term trends better, but suffice to say USA is on top again, while bitchboi putin and sad saudis are getting pwned) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35336848) |
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Date: February 12th, 2018 7:36 PM Author: impertinent goal in life Gonna test drive the CR-V and the Outback this weekend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35387778) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 10:40 PM Author: Thriller mahogany milk theater stage thoughts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#35897370) |
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Date: June 28th, 2019 12:08 PM Author: impertinent goal in life we've been driving the CREDITED RESPONSE VEHICLE for a year now and it's been amazing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3883978&forum_id=2#38455936) |