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Why hasn't Camden, NJ been gentrified yet?
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:18 AM Author: vibrant parlour circlehead I honestly don't understand this. It's literally a stones throw from center city Philadelphia and has city/skyline views. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923362) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:20 AM Author: Saffron violent den cuckold Not enough job growth in Philly to drive housing demand. Just look at Philly's anemic population growth stats.
On the supply side, there are still plenty of semi-gentrified and ungentrified neighborhoods in Philly proper with vacant lots that can be built out and abandoned properties that can be rehabbed to fulfill housing demand. |
Date: April 26th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness lmao
I grew up in a rich white town near good ole Camden.
Even gentrification, ain't gonna help that one. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: thriller range legal warrant They did the river front a while back with hopes that would happen.
The housing stock is incredibly poor and there is no foothold to work out from.
Even Kensington and South Broad are gentrifying so maybe there is some hope for Camden, but the only realistic way it happens is to start mowing down the bad houses to drive out the poles. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: vibrant parlour circlehead Someone needs to go in and buy up virtually all of the houses, knock them all down, and rebuild. That can probably be done for less than $50mm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923478) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness The entire Camden economy is the drug trade. There's no other economic base. You can't just demolish the housing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923486) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:40 AM Author: vibrant parlour circlehead Why does it need an economic base with Philly across the river? If you put up nice housing and ran the hoodrats out of the area, white collar folks who work in Philly would move there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923493) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness They put up some nice housing, nice condos. They've thrown money at this city for decades.
No one wants to live in Camden. Absolutely no one. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: sinister macaca but only because of the residents.
it's not like people don't wanna live in Cherry Hill |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness Right, but it's a city of 80,000 with no other real "jobs" than the people who work in chinese restaurants or bodegas. The entire economy is the drug trade, trap houses and welfare. You'd have to raze the entire city and deport 80,000 people and start from scratch. I think what you're suggesting is "genocide" which could work actually, but it is frowned upon.
edit: Cherry Hill, Haddonfield, Moorestown, etc, all the surrounding communities are rich and predominantly white so yes that's why people want to live there. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:54 AM Author: sinister macaca Of course, I totally agree.
But it is in close proximity to Philly, so people can certainly find work.
And OP is talking about gentrification, which essentially means whites slowly displacing blacks, and if you displace the blacks Camden becomes a much more desirable place.
I think the answer is probably that there are better places to gentrify first. Particularly places in Philly proper like Northern Liberties/Fishtown, etc |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:58 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness Camden is like an American Mogadishu.
You can construct beautiful housing and offer it at low rental rates to attract yuppies. The yuppies come visit and see/witness multiple drug related shootings daily.
Rutgers-Camden is basically fortified like a military base.
So then, the housing has no appeal. They can't attract yuppies with money and then so no yuppie-related businesses can emerge.
They can never get it going. So they try to get Camdenites to help themselves by throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into their schools and social programs. Well that's worked *wonders*, aka done nothing, because the drug trade is the only economy there.
Philadelphia also, as you said, has way better opportunities for actual gentrification and is actually a fairly large city, larger than many people probably realize. Plenty of places to live within the city before crossing the river to be in Worse than Detroit. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:01 AM Author: Lemon swollen reading party at what point do you just build a wall around these places and be done with it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923613) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:04 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness Oddly, Camden has always been a bubble, it doesn't really "leak out" and it's problems have been self-contained. It's actually really sad what happened to it, but I don't see any possible gentrification happening until somehow Camden starts to take care of itself, which is just not going to happen. Maybe in 50 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923626) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:06 AM Author: Lemon swollen reading party how ruined is a person who stays there instead of getting out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923645) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness It's pretty bad. Those that don't go probably can't either due to lack of being able to get employment, too dumb, etc. It's more like a trap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923744) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: sinister macaca agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923634) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: soul-stirring flatulent stain This. It is beyond hope. Chester too, even though they have the soccer stadium and a casino. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923732) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: trip costumed meetinghouse voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923657) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: Lemon swollen reading party there needs to be some kind of solution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923548) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: vibrant parlour circlehead That's only because they have dreadhead thugs with saggy pants nearby. Get rid of the thugs and you have a great community. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923759) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness Camden doesn't even have enough police to enforce law in the city. The city is broke. The police barely keep a lid on crime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923778) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: olive stirring address Get rid of them? Where would they go?
The "X should be gentrified!" crowd never seem to understand the basic fact that we have a huge number of shitheads that have to live somewhere and a limited number of people with the jobs/money to really gentrify a place. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: trip costumed meetinghouse voyeur It's true that the shitheads have to live somewhere, but there's no reason we have to let them occupy waterfront property. How about relocation to a desolate town in Montana? They would promptly shit that up too, but at least it wouldn't be occupying potentially valuable real estate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923869) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness *libs 'civil rights' pwn you in court, you lose.* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923878) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: trip costumed meetinghouse voyeur Serious question: Is this a legal problem or a political one? If the government says something along the lines of, "You don't have to live in subsidized housing, but if you do want subsidized housing, it's in Montana. We'll help you relocate. If you don't want that housing, that's fine, but then you figure out how to pay market rent somewhere." then what rights specifically are being violated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923894) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness Yeah deporting 80,000 poors so wealthier folks can get waterfront property while we send them to the hinterlands is not going to be politically or legally viable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923960) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Lemon swollen reading party just seize it all under Kelo v New London and evict them all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923972) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: olive stirring address If it was politically viable it would become legally viable too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923980) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: olive stirring address Primarily political. We live in a country where deporting people who are here illegally is highly controversial. You think forcing people that legally live here to go to shittier places because rich(er) people feel they have it too good and want to take their space is realistic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923977) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness This, and also anyone is free to live in Camden, nothing is preventing the rich from living anywhere other than being surrounded by hood rats of the highest order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923982) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: flickering hominid Umm no lets not fuckup Montana just so a bunch of GC kikes can sell condos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924026) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: vibrant parlour circlehead Where would they go? Wilmington, DE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924103) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:29 AM Author: soul-stirring flatulent stain Please no. It has enough issues to deal with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924105) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:33 AM Author: vibrant parlour circlehead There are a number of places the poors can move to....Wilmington, Trenton, Allentown, Reading, Harrisburg, Baltimore, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924124) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness Other ghettos? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924141) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: vibrant parlour circlehead Those are all very low cost cities than poor people could move to and are close by. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924226) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: Bateful smoky locus but the aquarium! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923513) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 9:53 AM Author: Milky hideous messiness b-b-but the Riversharks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923557) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: Cordovan Institution New Version Philly already is a massive city and much of it hasn't been gentrified either. Philly has actually gotten a lot more expensive the past few years, so maybe you'll start to see whites trying to take over other areas. There never really was a need to before because ppl could afford to live in the nicest neighborhoods. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923794) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: Grizzly Multi-colored Shitlib Theater Stage titcr. And Philly is still relatively cheap for a umc professional. I know someone who's paying around $1,500 for a spacious 1 br in a decent building there. Doesn't seem like there's much incentive to branch out to Camden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923987) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: sinister macaca agreed.
Philly is actually a pretty good deal as far as major cities go, which is why I'd rather be there than in Boston. if i were gonna be in Boston I might as well be in NY. |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Cordovan Institution New Version I know a guy who was paying $2800 for a 1br there, including parking. It was a nice, newly renovated building/apartment but it wasn't that over the top. Same place probably would have been under $2K during ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924056) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: vigorous seedy prole Most of Philly isn't even gentrified (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923881) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: Histrionic Lay Police Squad Yeah, and that includes the Philadelphia side of the river. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35923989) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Bateful smoky locus was going to say: the view back to philly from Camden is pretty ordinary. i'm not sure what the benefit of being on the "waterfront" is given this (in addition to the obvious lack of white people amenities like coffee shops etc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924003) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Histrionic Lay Police Squad They've been talking about putting 95 underground for years to try to make the riverfront attractive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924007) |
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Date: April 26th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Territorial Charcoal Shrine It may be in the process. there were only 23 murders there last year: the lowest in 3 decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3960344&forum_id=2#35924533) |