tell me how to write on to law review
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Date: April 14th, 2006 12:36 PM Author: zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car
michigan in particular, but any advice will be appreciated.
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Date: April 14th, 2006 12:57 PM Author: marvelous canary lodge Subject: REad all the material they give you
Make a table of cases showing how the rules for each case turn on the facts, etc. of the case. Figure out the state of the law, and make an educated guess about where the law might go in the future -- back it up with analysis of course.
Copy the organization and format from sample write-on submissions -- they should be available.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5579670) |
Date: April 15th, 2006 12:46 AM Author: zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car
more advice?
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Date: April 15th, 2006 12:58 AM Author: self-centered gaming laptop
take a stance before reading a single page, maybe even the argument that most students won't make, so yours stands out. then as you read, you will be able to highlight good quotes that support your side.
organization is big. buy a big binder and separate all the materials into cases, legislative materials, law review articles, newspaper articles, misc., etc.
footnote as you go. don't write the paper then bluebook. this will make your arguments stronger and the task a lot less painful.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5583668) |
Date: April 15th, 2006 1:04 AM Author: flatulent brilliant nursing home telephone
Submit a copy of "Property Rules, Liability Rules and Inalienability: One View of the Cathedral" with Calabresi and Melamed's names crossed out and yours written in.
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Date: April 15th, 2006 5:42 PM Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action
FIVER'S RAMBLING THOUGHTS ABOUT GETTING ON LAW REVIEW
Follow the directions. No, really; follow the directions. This will put you ahead of 40% of your classmates. This especially means getting your margins right, not going over the page limit, and not monkeying with your fonts (which are basically instant killers), but it also means taking every sentence in the guide and making damn well sure you're implementing it. If the guidelines say, "every paragraph must have a topic sentence," make sure every paragraph has a topic sentence. If the guidelines say "use the active voice," make sure that every sentence written is in the active voice. (You should try to do the latter, regardless.) If they provide a model as a guide -- which Michigan does -- you should mimic the style of the model, which usually goes like:
TITLE (so many people don't do this!)
- Introductory paragraph which attempts to be compelling.
- Statement of problem.
- Statement of thesis, followed by detailed roadmap.
Do all of this.
While writing your bit: the materials will be long enough, and your guidelines short enough, that you should NOT follow the law school exam spot-all-the-issues model. Spot one issue, but spot every aspect of it. Go deep instead of broad. Identify one major argument in favor of the position you want to take, with a few counterarguments. This gives you an easy Part I (introduce the argument) and Part II/III (address the counterarguments) (as an aside, depending on how the prompt is being written). The easiest way to do this is to take notes when you are reading the materials, and classify the kind of argument that the materials are making as you read. Be fair to your counterarguments: don't set up straw men, and if they have a good point, admit the truth of it, but explain why you should stick with your argument anyway ("This may result in policy outcome X, but on balance the harm is less." "This may result in policy outcome X, but the text of the statute is clear and it is not the job of the courts to second-guess Congress.")
Answer the question. Make sure your thesis statement is tailored to answer the prompt. If the prompt is, "What can Kevin do?" your thesis statement should be, "Kevin can avail himself of remedies under Title XX." Your thesis statement should NOT be "There are many remedies under Title XX when things go wrong." Nor should it be, "Kevin got screwed, and this is much like in this other case." Figure out what the question is, then answer the question.
If you answer the question and follow directions, you will be ahead of 50% of your classmates. So how do you get ahead of the rest of them?
Regarding arguments: it is better to make a simple, supportable, common-sense argument than it is to make a complicated argument that you think might win you points for being clever.
Contrary to the assertion above, *never* assume that the person reading your submission hasn't read the packet. In fact, you should assume that the person reading your submission created the packet (at Michigan, this is extremely likely), and that they will be most displeased if you sound like you didn't delve into the materials (yes, it will be obvious).
Bluebooking: do it right. Check it three times. Make sure you check substance, form (what goes where), and typeface. Also make sure that you are either hardcoding your supra note X citations into the document (insert cross-reference in MS word, I think), or that you check their accuracy ruthlessly. If you can provide a pincite, do. You can provide a pincite just about anywhere -- exceptions are to first-time case mentions (e.g., In _This_Case_[1], the Court held that there were no chickens.[2] [1]=citation to case sans pincite, and [2]=pincite to holding).
Specific things to look for when bluebooking:
* Remember that there is a period at the end of every citation sentence. Even the ones that look like this:
/See/ Blah Blah Blah v. Blah, 17 F.4d 132, 136 (9th Cir. 2002) ("This case is very blah.").
* Remember that citation signals are italicized. And that the comma between the see and the e.g. in "See, e.g.," is italicized, but the comma at the end of the e.g. is not.
* Don't forget BB 1.3 & 1.4, describing order of authorities and signals. These are very important.
* I don't advise that you write like this generally, but err on the side of over-citing and over-explaining the relevance of your citation. Including quotations in your cites (which you should check three times!) or explanatory parentheticals will drastically help the substance-checkers out there.
Writing Style: Many people have a really bad habit of writing like they're trying to sound smart, with the end result that their writing is hard to read. Don't use words that you wouldn't use in talking to a reasonably legally savvy friend about the materials (which, of course, you can't do, but pretend). Write simply and clearly. Use short sentences. If you want to spice up your writing, use verbs that are actually verbs instead of verbs that are coopted nouns (e.g., use "motivate" instead of "incentivize"). Don't try to write beautifully. Don't write to impress. Write to make an argument: if your writing style makes it harder to figure out what your argument is, your writing style will lose you points.
Start early. Read the materials, and then give yourself some time to think about what you've read. Outline first, but don't doggedly insist on sticking to your outline if you find that your argument is totally unworkable.
Don't assume that there is something about you that makes you an instant law review winner. At least at Michigan, there is no quality you can have that guarantees you a spot, except an exceptional writing competition. A crappy writing competition would doom anyone.
As to diversity essays: don't assume that because you're male, rich, or white that there's nothing diverse about you. Some of the best diversity essays I read were from white males. Contrary to popular opinion, we're not looking for knee-jerk responses here where you list your minority group memberships in a vacuum. The best thing you can do is take something that is different about you (and my god, there better be something different about you!) and connect it to legal scholarship: what perspective would you bring to the Law Review that would help us produce a better product? If you show that you're *thinking* about legal scholarship, you'll be at an advantage. The diversity essay isn't supposed to be your way of saying "this is how life has screwed me." It's supposed to be your way of saying, "You can't imagine a law review class without me, and here's why."
Take everything you hand in seriously. It's really obvious when you're blowing them off, and we spend a substantial amount of time during our summers going through your materials with a fine-toothed comb. If you can't be bothered to make a serious effort with everything that you send us, we can't be bothered to extend you an offer. Really.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5586935) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:14 PM Author: Laughsome cerise theater community account
Nothing like that. I'm just wondering if one could be written that's so lame that it demolishes the rest of the application. Like saying that they're the member of a minority religious group -- Jewish. Something like that.
I'm so WASPy, I'd feel absurd writing a diversity statement. I could never do it, despite Fiver's advice to the contrary.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587404) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:28 PM Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action
Here are the elements of a successful diversity statement:
1. Figure out something that makes you different.
2. Figure out how it helps the law review.
2a. Intellectual diversity: you hold views/have had intellectual experiences/have skills that would be helpful on law review, and which are uncommon.
2b. Leadership diversity: You've led organizations/figured out how to delegate responsibility to others/worked through thorny interpersonal problems in groups before, and you want to do the same on law review.
2c. Experience diversity: You've had experience publishing and/or producing quality work to a deadline before. Note: if you claim that you've learned to be meticulous in a previous life, please spell impeccably. Otherwise it hurts.
2d. Personality diversity: if you're the person that everyone can come to, if you're the non-flaky friend that people can trust, if you're exceptionally dependable, you can write about that.
2e. Skill diversity. Can you do things that need to be done that others can't? This is particularly true if you have a graduate degree, and if you've published before. It is also particularly true if you have computer skills.
3. If you are a traditional URM, and you've noted it elsewhere, you might get better mileage focusing on specific things you have done or experienced than on your group identification. We already know your group identification: if you can explain how it (or something else about you) connects to things that make you a better editor, a better judge of legal scholarship, a better manager, or a better co-worker, you'll have a damned fine diversity statement.
Here are the elements of a diversity statement that does nothing to set you apart from others:
1. Repeat facts provided in personal information statement.
2. Reiterate them, and maybe tell a story about how it sucked for you.
3. Use the word "unique" to describe an experience that is merely uncommon.
Here are the elements of a truly shitty diversity statement:
1. Claim that you are different from other people for reason X.
2. Then explain how other people are bad, bad people because they are not X, or how reason X makes you gloriously better.
3. Alternately, tell a story that makes it fatally clear that nobody likes you because you are a tool, on the theory that any sort of oppression is better than none.
EDIT: Just to be clear, posting on xoxo makes you the norm, not the exception. :)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587493) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:16 PM Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action
Of course it's possible to write a shitty diversity statement that actively counts against you. First, you're judged in relation to your peers, so "failing to work in your favor" is the same thing as counting against you.
Second, at least at Michigan, we really do evaluate applicants as a whole, and if I evaluate you, on the whole, as a complete douchebag, I'm less likely to choose to admit you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587416) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:51 PM Author: Laughsome cerise theater community account
Is the diversity statement optional?
I don't know how it works at my school, but I gather the applicant evaluation process is fairly mechanical.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587632) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:55 PM Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action
Not at Michigan it's not.
I also don't think we have a mechanical process.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587658) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 10:04 PM Author: Laughsome cerise theater community account
Poor phrasing on my part. I meant that my school's LR admissions are, as far as I know, mechanical. (They don't tell us soon-to-be-3L staffers anything.) Michigan's system is interesting.
I enjoyed reading your posts on the process; your DS analysis was particularly enlightening.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588596) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:20 PM Author: motley mother hominid
"Remember that citation signals are italicized. And that the comma between the see and the e.g. in "See, e.g.," is italicized, but the comma at the end of the e.g. is not."
And THIS is why I want nothing more to do with law journal publishing!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587444) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:33 PM Author: Flushed 180 office
Fiver,
I really appreciate you taking the time to post such helpful and thorough advice. I'll be going over it carefully in about two months when the Chicago LRev competition starts, but I wanted to say thank you now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587520) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 10:55 PM Author: Seedy Locale
That sort of stuff you can have a paralegal check, but you'll still need to know basic bluebooking, especially if you're writing briefs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589013)
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Date: April 15th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
sure, but someoen can learn about BBing cases and statutes in about half an hour.
all this other shit is just that-- shit. no one really gives a shit about "ordering" citations within a footnote, except for professors and law review editors with nothing better to do.
i remember looking at some comments of an article draft, where someone had actually written "I think it makes more sense to put X authority as the 5th listed authority, rather than the 7th, and move Y authority to 7th, and Z authority to 6th." REALLY-- i'm not making this up! like anyone is going to give a shit how a citation string of 15 different authorities will appear.
as Posner writes, all this is is a pathetic attempt by the student editors to make all assertions in the article appear as proven fact.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589120) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 11:17 PM Author: Diverse public bath
"as Posner writes, all this is is a pathetic attempt by the student editors to make all assertions in the article appear as proven fact."
haha. it's so true. if you don't want anyone to question your dubious claim, make a footnote w/30 citations and that ought to do the trick. it's not like anyone checks them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589212)
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Date: April 15th, 2006 6:23 PM Author: Pungent tantric shrine messiness
general Q about legal papers: do you think its better to write the paper without precisely documenting all your research, then going back and filling in cites and footnotes, maybe reworking some areas...assuming you kinda have it all in your head but want to just let the writing flow.
or should you make sure everything is done right the first time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587097) |
Date: April 15th, 2006 7:06 PM Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
find some "subtle" way to suggest that you are an URM, without actually lying.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587364) |
Date: April 15th, 2006 7:11 PM Author: Supple Temple
when you're first given your materials, set up a "sample" citation/footnote for each--even before reading the materials. take your time and double-check your bluebook to be sure you've gotten it right.
of course you'll have to modify this basic model for your actual citations, but you won't keep re-inventing the wheel with each cite/fn.
making this effort at the beginning, you'll also have an investment in using each of the sources--which is one of the criteria you're likely to be graded on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587389) |
Date: April 15th, 2006 7:14 PM Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
also, if possible, don't cite something that's hard to bluebook if it's not terribly relevant...i remember in my materials, there was a printout from the Salvation Army website, and there was no way i was going to figure out how to BB that shit, so i made sure not to cite it. most primary sources are easy to cite (i.e. statutes, cases)...it's the largely irrelevant stuff that's difficult to BB.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587408) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 10:55 PM Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
no wonder they call it WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTL.
law review is a good credential, but doing a secondary journal is a waste of time, so i say go for the gold, or don't do a journal at all. (actually, law review is a waste of time, too, but employers seem to like it, so it's worth bearing).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589006) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:23 PM Author: Supple Temple Subject: you'll have to do some triage here...
if you truly can't figure out how to cite a particular item--or if figuring it out would take hours, and you don't have that time to spare--then yes, don't use that item. better not to cite at all, than to cite incorrectly.
BUT: that item was probably included in your materials precisely to check your bb'ing skills. again, if you do all the "basic" bb'ing before you start reading and writing, you may not feel the time pressure to leave it out...or, if you honestly try to bb it and just can't, then you'll know not to spend time reading the item and thinking how to use it in your argument.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587461) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 7:25 PM Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
fair enough...but i think if your thesis doesn't require a source, you shouldn't try to throw it in there just to showcase your BBing skills...
or maybe you should.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587474) |
Date: April 15th, 2006 11:05 PM Author: hairless stain yarmulke
at most schools students grade the competition so its pretty much a crap-shoot. the only advice I can give you is to do a good job issue spotting and don't make any glaring mistakes. Plus, a lot of schools have a blue-booking exercise which makes the whole thing even more random. Hopefully your school allows for grades to play some part of a role. In my view, grades are a much better indicator as to how well someone will contribute to law review than an arbitrary write-on competition. If not you might as well say a prayer or try hooking up with the desparate and ugly editor in chief.
Edit: I'm bitter- missed the grade-on by less than 1/10 and I had the highest legal writing grade in the school yet couldn't write-on yet students in the bottom quarter of the class were able to.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589100) |
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Date: April 15th, 2006 11:41 PM Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
"In my view, grades are a much better indicator as to how well someone will contribute to law review than an arbitrary write-on competition."
yeah, it really takes a 3.9 to figure out that you should publish as many articles which apply feminism to some constitutoinal theory as is humanly possible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589407) |
Date: April 16th, 2006 1:01 AM Author: Curious Crimson Resort Idiot
Find someone on Law Review staff.
Bribe them to give you a copy of the materials 2-3 weeks early.
(I've heard it goes for $2,500)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5590143) |
Date: May 13th, 2007 11:57 PM Author: marvelous canary lodge
also this one.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8113781) |
Date: May 14th, 2007 12:42 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle school genital piercing
Wow, how many law reviews require these diversity statements? I'm just getting done being an editor and I couldn't care less about the background of the staff members a year below me. All I care about is their ability to turn in work that is at least partially correct on time and not make more work for me.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8114052) |
Date: May 14th, 2007 1:03 AM Author: Painfully Honest Field Tattoo
sounds like it's tough to get on law review, and once you're on you lead a pretty shitty existence.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8114139) |
Date: May 14th, 2007 1:05 AM Author: mildly autistic insane circlehead heaven
Buy Volokh's book. It really is that simple.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8114148) |
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