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tell me how to write on to law review

michigan in particular, but any advice will be appreciated. ...
zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car
  04/14/06
Is Michigan's write-on a closed universe?
marvelous canary lodge
  04/14/06
yes.
zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car
  04/14/06
REad all the material they give you
marvelous canary lodge
  04/14/06
thank you, this sounds like good advice.
zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car
  04/14/06
Talk about the chilling effect of stuff
Razzle-dazzle school genital piercing
  05/14/07
Throw in a few "PWN3D"s and "DING! Fag"s...
Violent onyx church building partner
  04/14/06
Answer the question asked (all parts of it), be clear, use h...
orchid death wish
  04/15/06
...
Supple Temple
  04/15/06
Bad, grammar, will not necessarily, keep you off of law revi...
Odious library jap
  04/15/06
more advice?
zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car
  04/15/06
take a stance before reading a single page, maybe even the a...
self-centered gaming laptop
  04/15/06
Submit a copy of "Property Rules, Liability Rules and I...
flatulent brilliant nursing home telephone
  04/15/06
173
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
FIVER'S RAMBLING THOUGHTS ABOUT GETTING ON LAW REVIEW Fol...
autistic striped hyena affirmative action
  04/15/06
thanks for posting this.
zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car
  04/15/06
this is really helpful. thank you.
bright exciting space macaca
  04/15/06
That is some solid advice--no matter what school's writing c...
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
this is really good advice. also, volokh.
soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk
  04/15/06
Dumb question, but: is it possible that someone could write ...
Laughsome cerise theater community account
  04/15/06
i have no insight on the matter, but am curious as to what y...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
Nothing like that. I'm just wondering if one could be writte...
Laughsome cerise theater community account
  04/15/06
talk about how having a black roommate broadened your perspe...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
Here are the elements of a successful diversity statement: ...
autistic striped hyena affirmative action
  04/15/06
Would "I have a 9 inch cock" be a good diversity ...
Curious Crimson Resort Idiot
  04/16/06
This is one of the best posts ever.
Aqua Heady National Friendly Grandma
  04/16/06
in reality, that stuff is 50% "let's make sure we have ...
soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk
  04/15/06
Of course it's possible to write a shitty diversity statemen...
autistic striped hyena affirmative action
  04/15/06
Is the diversity statement optional? I don't know how it ...
Laughsome cerise theater community account
  04/15/06
Not at Michigan it's not. I also don't think we have a ...
autistic striped hyena affirmative action
  04/15/06
Poor phrasing on my part. I meant that my school's LR admiss...
Laughsome cerise theater community account
  04/15/06
"Remember that citation signals are italicized. And tha...
motley mother hominid
  04/15/06
...
ruby pontificating lay therapy
  04/15/06
Fiver, I really appreciate you taking the time to post su...
Flushed 180 office
  04/15/06
read volokh's book academic legal writing, too. your libe pr...
soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk
  04/15/06
Will do, thanks for the heads up.
Flushed 180 office
  04/15/06
no worries, good luck.
soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk
  04/15/06
There are three reasons I'm not going to try to make law rev...
smoky stage
  04/15/06
Dear God, I'm not looking forward to the writing competition...
Pearl French Lettuce
  04/15/06
not exactly on topic, but is there any way i can be a litiga...
Diverse public bath
  04/15/06
highly unlikely. As a clerk you'd need to follow whatever ci...
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
can't i make the intern(s) do that shit?
Diverse public bath
  04/15/06
if you're clerking for a judge, you're the intern. At most f...
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
yikes, the whole point of having some paralegal monkeys is t...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
that's what i'm saying. bluebooking is a serious waste of an...
Diverse public bath
  04/15/06
That sort of stuff you can have a paralegal check, but you'l...
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
sure, but someoen can learn about BBing cases and statutes i...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
"as Posner writes, all this is is a pathetic attempt by...
Diverse public bath
  04/15/06
well, no one except the editorial board.
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
general Q about legal papers: do you think its better to w...
Pungent tantric shrine messiness
  04/15/06
My philosophy is never make sure everything is done right th...
autistic striped hyena affirmative action
  04/15/06
this is excellent advice
harsh cracking candlestick maker
  04/16/06
find some "subtle" way to suggest that you are an ...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
when you're first given your materials, set up a "sampl...
Supple Temple
  04/15/06
This is a really good idea. I hope the 1Ls from my school ar...
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
also, if possible, don't cite something that's hard to blueb...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
If there's an editing test though, you can bet that it will ...
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
yeah...do many schools use those editing tests anymore?
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
Mine does. It counts for 35%ish, IIRC.
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
wustl does :(
bright exciting space macaca
  04/15/06
no wonder they call it WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
you'll have to do some triage here...
Supple Temple
  04/15/06
fair enough...but i think if your thesis doesn't require a s...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
this is terrible advice. in fact, you should cite to obscure...
soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk
  04/15/06
love the moniker.
frisky pit
  04/15/06
Ah Rule 15.8. Such a funny one: I love how the list goes fro...
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
at most schools students grade the competition so its pretty...
hairless stain yarmulke
  04/15/06
"In my view, grades are a much better indicator as to h...
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
hahaha. if only you were joking.
Seedy Locale
  04/15/06
sadly, i'm not.
Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry
  04/15/06
I've read submitted articles.... I know.
Seedy Locale
  04/16/06
the fact that you couldn't grade on or write on should be a ...
harsh cracking candlestick maker
  04/16/06
Find someone on Law Review staff. Bribe them to give you ...
Curious Crimson Resort Idiot
  04/16/06
time probably isn't the issue for most people. 10 days seems...
Violent glittery persian organic girlfriend
  04/16/06
also this one.
marvelous canary lodge
  05/13/07
ty ty
Spectacular university
  05/13/07
Wow, how many law reviews require these diversity statements...
Razzle-dazzle school genital piercing
  05/14/07
sounds like it's tough to get on law review, and once you're...
Painfully Honest Field Tattoo
  05/14/07
Buy Volokh's book. It really is that simple.
mildly autistic insane circlehead heaven
  05/14/07


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Date: April 14th, 2006 12:36 PM
Author: zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car

michigan in particular, but any advice will be appreciated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5579524)





Date: April 14th, 2006 12:38 PM
Author: marvelous canary lodge

Is Michigan's write-on a closed universe?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5579530)





Date: April 14th, 2006 12:39 PM
Author: zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car

yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5579534)





Date: April 14th, 2006 12:57 PM
Author: marvelous canary lodge
Subject: REad all the material they give you

Make a table of cases showing how the rules for each case turn on the facts, etc. of the case. Figure out the state of the law, and make an educated guess about where the law might go in the future -- back it up with analysis of course.

Copy the organization and format from sample write-on submissions -- they should be available.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5579670)





Date: April 14th, 2006 1:04 PM
Author: zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car

thank you, this sounds like good advice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5579717)





Date: May 14th, 2007 12:44 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle school genital piercing

Talk about the chilling effect of stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8114064)





Date: April 14th, 2006 12:39 PM
Author: Violent onyx church building partner

Throw in a few "PWN3D"s and "DING! Fag"s. Fiver will know you're one of us and let you on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5579536)





Date: April 15th, 2006 1:03 AM
Author: orchid death wish

Answer the question asked (all parts of it), be clear, use headings and transitions, and proofread visciously. Assuming students are reading your answer (which is generally the case), most of them haven't read the packet, just a model answer, so they don't know or care about the details of what you're saying. Writing clearly is far more important than brilliant legal analysis. Proper grammer and spelling is almost as important, just because it's easy to notice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5583697)





Date: April 15th, 2006 6:59 PM
Author: Supple Temple
Subject: *viciously* not "visciously"--*grammar* not "grammer"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587334)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:43 PM
Author: Odious library jap

Bad, grammar, will not necessarily, keep you off of law review, or, from getting a nomination to the Supreme, Court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587592)





Date: April 15th, 2006 12:46 AM
Author: zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car

more advice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5583607)





Date: April 15th, 2006 12:58 AM
Author: self-centered gaming laptop

take a stance before reading a single page, maybe even the argument that most students won't make, so yours stands out. then as you read, you will be able to highlight good quotes that support your side.

organization is big. buy a big binder and separate all the materials into cases, legislative materials, law review articles, newspaper articles, misc., etc.

footnote as you go. don't write the paper then bluebook. this will make your arguments stronger and the task a lot less painful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5583668)





Date: April 15th, 2006 1:04 AM
Author: flatulent brilliant nursing home telephone

Submit a copy of "Property Rules, Liability Rules and Inalienability: One View of the Cathedral" with Calabresi and Melamed's names crossed out and yours written in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5583711)





Date: April 15th, 2006 5:49 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

173

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5586961)





Date: April 15th, 2006 5:42 PM
Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action

FIVER'S RAMBLING THOUGHTS ABOUT GETTING ON LAW REVIEW

Follow the directions. No, really; follow the directions. This will put you ahead of 40% of your classmates. This especially means getting your margins right, not going over the page limit, and not monkeying with your fonts (which are basically instant killers), but it also means taking every sentence in the guide and making damn well sure you're implementing it. If the guidelines say, "every paragraph must have a topic sentence," make sure every paragraph has a topic sentence. If the guidelines say "use the active voice," make sure that every sentence written is in the active voice. (You should try to do the latter, regardless.) If they provide a model as a guide -- which Michigan does -- you should mimic the style of the model, which usually goes like:

TITLE (so many people don't do this!)

- Introductory paragraph which attempts to be compelling.

- Statement of problem.

- Statement of thesis, followed by detailed roadmap.

Do all of this.

While writing your bit: the materials will be long enough, and your guidelines short enough, that you should NOT follow the law school exam spot-all-the-issues model. Spot one issue, but spot every aspect of it. Go deep instead of broad. Identify one major argument in favor of the position you want to take, with a few counterarguments. This gives you an easy Part I (introduce the argument) and Part II/III (address the counterarguments) (as an aside, depending on how the prompt is being written). The easiest way to do this is to take notes when you are reading the materials, and classify the kind of argument that the materials are making as you read. Be fair to your counterarguments: don't set up straw men, and if they have a good point, admit the truth of it, but explain why you should stick with your argument anyway ("This may result in policy outcome X, but on balance the harm is less." "This may result in policy outcome X, but the text of the statute is clear and it is not the job of the courts to second-guess Congress.")

Answer the question. Make sure your thesis statement is tailored to answer the prompt. If the prompt is, "What can Kevin do?" your thesis statement should be, "Kevin can avail himself of remedies under Title XX." Your thesis statement should NOT be "There are many remedies under Title XX when things go wrong." Nor should it be, "Kevin got screwed, and this is much like in this other case." Figure out what the question is, then answer the question.

If you answer the question and follow directions, you will be ahead of 50% of your classmates. So how do you get ahead of the rest of them?

Regarding arguments: it is better to make a simple, supportable, common-sense argument than it is to make a complicated argument that you think might win you points for being clever.

Contrary to the assertion above, *never* assume that the person reading your submission hasn't read the packet. In fact, you should assume that the person reading your submission created the packet (at Michigan, this is extremely likely), and that they will be most displeased if you sound like you didn't delve into the materials (yes, it will be obvious).

Bluebooking: do it right. Check it three times. Make sure you check substance, form (what goes where), and typeface. Also make sure that you are either hardcoding your supra note X citations into the document (insert cross-reference in MS word, I think), or that you check their accuracy ruthlessly. If you can provide a pincite, do. You can provide a pincite just about anywhere -- exceptions are to first-time case mentions (e.g., In _This_Case_[1], the Court held that there were no chickens.[2] [1]=citation to case sans pincite, and [2]=pincite to holding).

Specific things to look for when bluebooking:

* Remember that there is a period at the end of every citation sentence. Even the ones that look like this:

/See/ Blah Blah Blah v. Blah, 17 F.4d 132, 136 (9th Cir. 2002) ("This case is very blah.").

* Remember that citation signals are italicized. And that the comma between the see and the e.g. in "See, e.g.," is italicized, but the comma at the end of the e.g. is not.

* Don't forget BB 1.3 & 1.4, describing order of authorities and signals. These are very important.

* I don't advise that you write like this generally, but err on the side of over-citing and over-explaining the relevance of your citation. Including quotations in your cites (which you should check three times!) or explanatory parentheticals will drastically help the substance-checkers out there.

Writing Style: Many people have a really bad habit of writing like they're trying to sound smart, with the end result that their writing is hard to read. Don't use words that you wouldn't use in talking to a reasonably legally savvy friend about the materials (which, of course, you can't do, but pretend). Write simply and clearly. Use short sentences. If you want to spice up your writing, use verbs that are actually verbs instead of verbs that are coopted nouns (e.g., use "motivate" instead of "incentivize"). Don't try to write beautifully. Don't write to impress. Write to make an argument: if your writing style makes it harder to figure out what your argument is, your writing style will lose you points.

Start early. Read the materials, and then give yourself some time to think about what you've read. Outline first, but don't doggedly insist on sticking to your outline if you find that your argument is totally unworkable.

Don't assume that there is something about you that makes you an instant law review winner. At least at Michigan, there is no quality you can have that guarantees you a spot, except an exceptional writing competition. A crappy writing competition would doom anyone.

As to diversity essays: don't assume that because you're male, rich, or white that there's nothing diverse about you. Some of the best diversity essays I read were from white males. Contrary to popular opinion, we're not looking for knee-jerk responses here where you list your minority group memberships in a vacuum. The best thing you can do is take something that is different about you (and my god, there better be something different about you!) and connect it to legal scholarship: what perspective would you bring to the Law Review that would help us produce a better product? If you show that you're *thinking* about legal scholarship, you'll be at an advantage. The diversity essay isn't supposed to be your way of saying "this is how life has screwed me." It's supposed to be your way of saying, "You can't imagine a law review class without me, and here's why."

Take everything you hand in seriously. It's really obvious when you're blowing them off, and we spend a substantial amount of time during our summers going through your materials with a fine-toothed comb. If you can't be bothered to make a serious effort with everything that you send us, we can't be bothered to extend you an offer. Really.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5586935)





Date: April 15th, 2006 5:53 PM
Author: zombie-like stimulating mediation stock car

thanks for posting this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5586970)





Date: April 15th, 2006 5:56 PM
Author: bright exciting space macaca

this is really helpful. thank you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5586976)





Date: April 15th, 2006 6:00 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

That is some solid advice--no matter what school's writing comp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5586997)





Date: April 15th, 2006 6:58 PM
Author: soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk

this is really good advice. also, volokh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587332)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:08 PM
Author: Laughsome cerise theater community account

Dumb question, but: is it possible that someone could write such a shitty diversity statement that it actually counts against them? Or will it simply fail to work in his or her favor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587371)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:09 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

i have no insight on the matter, but am curious as to what you have in mind. were you just planning to turn in a piece of paper saying "WHITE PEOPLE RULE!"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587378)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:14 PM
Author: Laughsome cerise theater community account

Nothing like that. I'm just wondering if one could be written that's so lame that it demolishes the rest of the application. Like saying that they're the member of a minority religious group -- Jewish. Something like that.

I'm so WASPy, I'd feel absurd writing a diversity statement. I could never do it, despite Fiver's advice to the contrary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587404)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:17 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

talk about how having a black roommate broadened your perspectives on life, and will add to your ability to appreciate the influence of diversity in citechecking articles which no one will ever, ever read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587424)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:28 PM
Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action

Here are the elements of a successful diversity statement:

1. Figure out something that makes you different.

2. Figure out how it helps the law review.

2a. Intellectual diversity: you hold views/have had intellectual experiences/have skills that would be helpful on law review, and which are uncommon.

2b. Leadership diversity: You've led organizations/figured out how to delegate responsibility to others/worked through thorny interpersonal problems in groups before, and you want to do the same on law review.

2c. Experience diversity: You've had experience publishing and/or producing quality work to a deadline before. Note: if you claim that you've learned to be meticulous in a previous life, please spell impeccably. Otherwise it hurts.

2d. Personality diversity: if you're the person that everyone can come to, if you're the non-flaky friend that people can trust, if you're exceptionally dependable, you can write about that.

2e. Skill diversity. Can you do things that need to be done that others can't? This is particularly true if you have a graduate degree, and if you've published before. It is also particularly true if you have computer skills.

3. If you are a traditional URM, and you've noted it elsewhere, you might get better mileage focusing on specific things you have done or experienced than on your group identification. We already know your group identification: if you can explain how it (or something else about you) connects to things that make you a better editor, a better judge of legal scholarship, a better manager, or a better co-worker, you'll have a damned fine diversity statement.

Here are the elements of a diversity statement that does nothing to set you apart from others:

1. Repeat facts provided in personal information statement.

2. Reiterate them, and maybe tell a story about how it sucked for you.

3. Use the word "unique" to describe an experience that is merely uncommon.

Here are the elements of a truly shitty diversity statement:

1. Claim that you are different from other people for reason X.

2. Then explain how other people are bad, bad people because they are not X, or how reason X makes you gloriously better.

3. Alternately, tell a story that makes it fatally clear that nobody likes you because you are a tool, on the theory that any sort of oppression is better than none.

EDIT: Just to be clear, posting on xoxo makes you the norm, not the exception. :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587493)





Date: April 16th, 2006 12:49 AM
Author: Curious Crimson Resort Idiot

Would "I have a 9 inch cock" be a good diversity statement?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5590052)





Date: April 16th, 2006 12:45 PM
Author: Aqua Heady National Friendly Grandma

This is one of the best posts ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5592248)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:29 PM
Author: soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk

in reality, that stuff is 50% "let's make sure we have at least one black dude, fuck's sake" and 50% "let's make sure we have at least one guy who isn't a complete fucking dweeb, fuck's sake."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587497)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:16 PM
Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action

Of course it's possible to write a shitty diversity statement that actively counts against you. First, you're judged in relation to your peers, so "failing to work in your favor" is the same thing as counting against you.

Second, at least at Michigan, we really do evaluate applicants as a whole, and if I evaluate you, on the whole, as a complete douchebag, I'm less likely to choose to admit you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587416)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:51 PM
Author: Laughsome cerise theater community account

Is the diversity statement optional?

I don't know how it works at my school, but I gather the applicant evaluation process is fairly mechanical.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587632)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:55 PM
Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action

Not at Michigan it's not.

I also don't think we have a mechanical process.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587658)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:04 PM
Author: Laughsome cerise theater community account

Poor phrasing on my part. I meant that my school's LR admissions are, as far as I know, mechanical. (They don't tell us soon-to-be-3L staffers anything.) Michigan's system is interesting.

I enjoyed reading your posts on the process; your DS analysis was particularly enlightening.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588596)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:20 PM
Author: motley mother hominid

"Remember that citation signals are italicized. And that the comma between the see and the e.g. in "See, e.g.," is italicized, but the comma at the end of the e.g. is not."

And THIS is why I want nothing more to do with law journal publishing!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587444)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:22 PM
Author: ruby pontificating lay therapy
Subject: 180



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587455)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:33 PM
Author: Flushed 180 office

Fiver,

I really appreciate you taking the time to post such helpful and thorough advice. I'll be going over it carefully in about two months when the Chicago LRev competition starts, but I wanted to say thank you now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587520)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:37 PM
Author: soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk

read volokh's book academic legal writing, too. your libe probably has a copy. at least the chapter on writing on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587539)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:40 PM
Author: Flushed 180 office

Will do, thanks for the heads up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587564)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:43 PM
Author: soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk

no worries, good luck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587587)





Date: April 15th, 2006 8:03 PM
Author: smoky stage

There are three reasons I'm not going to try to make law review: 1. I wouldn't make it short of a small miracle. 2. I wouldn't really want to do it. 3. And to a lesser extent, the thought that a diversity statement could make or break my chance to get on is repulsive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587722)





Date: April 15th, 2006 8:21 PM
Author: Pearl French Lettuce

Dear God, I'm not looking forward to the writing competition...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587825)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:19 PM
Author: Diverse public bath

not exactly on topic, but is there any way i can be a litigator w/out ever having to pick up the bluebook? i mean, can't paralegals do that shit? what about as a clerk? i hate the bluebook more than i hate hitler.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588711)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:29 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

highly unlikely. As a clerk you'd need to follow whatever citation system the court uses, but it's probably at least based on the bluebook.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588782)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:29 PM
Author: Diverse public bath

can't i make the intern(s) do that shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588792)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:32 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

if you're clerking for a judge, you're the intern. At most firms, partners will expect you to Bluebook. Maybe you can have your secretary do it, but I wouldn't count on it. Paralegals can but you can't have them look at everything you write, I assume.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588812)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:46 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

yikes, the whole point of having some paralegal monkeys is to have them bluebook.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588928)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:53 PM
Author: Diverse public bath

that's what i'm saying. bluebooking is a serious waste of an attorney's time. who wants to pay $300/hr for 'hmm. yeah...you need a comma after the see e.g.'?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588993)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:55 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

That sort of stuff you can have a paralegal check, but you'll still need to know basic bluebooking, especially if you're writing briefs.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589013)





Date: April 15th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

sure, but someoen can learn about BBing cases and statutes in about half an hour.

all this other shit is just that-- shit. no one really gives a shit about "ordering" citations within a footnote, except for professors and law review editors with nothing better to do.

i remember looking at some comments of an article draft, where someone had actually written "I think it makes more sense to put X authority as the 5th listed authority, rather than the 7th, and move Y authority to 7th, and Z authority to 6th." REALLY-- i'm not making this up! like anyone is going to give a shit how a citation string of 15 different authorities will appear.

as Posner writes, all this is is a pathetic attempt by the student editors to make all assertions in the article appear as proven fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589120)





Date: April 15th, 2006 11:17 PM
Author: Diverse public bath

"as Posner writes, all this is is a pathetic attempt by the student editors to make all assertions in the article appear as proven fact."

haha. it's so true. if you don't want anyone to question your dubious claim, make a footnote w/30 citations and that ought to do the trick. it's not like anyone checks them.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589212)





Date: April 15th, 2006 11:39 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

well, no one except the editorial board.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589388)





Date: April 15th, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: Pungent tantric shrine messiness

general Q about legal papers: do you think its better to write the paper without precisely documenting all your research, then going back and filling in cites and footnotes, maybe reworking some areas...assuming you kinda have it all in your head but want to just let the writing flow.

or should you make sure everything is done right the first time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587097)





Date: April 15th, 2006 6:53 PM
Author: autistic striped hyena affirmative action

My philosophy is never make sure everything is done right the first time, or it will never get done the first time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587297)





Date: April 16th, 2006 12:28 AM
Author: harsh cracking candlestick maker

this is excellent advice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589859)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:06 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

find some "subtle" way to suggest that you are an URM, without actually lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587364)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:11 PM
Author: Supple Temple

when you're first given your materials, set up a "sample" citation/footnote for each--even before reading the materials. take your time and double-check your bluebook to be sure you've gotten it right.

of course you'll have to modify this basic model for your actual citations, but you won't keep re-inventing the wheel with each cite/fn.

making this effort at the beginning, you'll also have an investment in using each of the sources--which is one of the criteria you're likely to be graded on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587389)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:12 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

This is a really good idea. I hope the 1Ls from my school are reading this thread....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587401)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:14 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

also, if possible, don't cite something that's hard to bluebook if it's not terribly relevant...i remember in my materials, there was a printout from the Salvation Army website, and there was no way i was going to figure out how to BB that shit, so i made sure not to cite it. most primary sources are easy to cite (i.e. statutes, cases)...it's the largely irrelevant stuff that's difficult to BB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587408)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:18 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

If there's an editing test though, you can bet that it will include obscure cites, so you might as well learn how to cite everything within reason during the competition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587428)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:19 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

yeah...do many schools use those editing tests anymore?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587438)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:11 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

Mine does. It counts for 35%ish, IIRC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588649)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:13 PM
Author: bright exciting space macaca

wustl does :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588672)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:55 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

no wonder they call it WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTL.

law review is a good credential, but doing a secondary journal is a waste of time, so i say go for the gold, or don't do a journal at all. (actually, law review is a waste of time, too, but employers seem to like it, so it's worth bearing).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589006)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:23 PM
Author: Supple Temple
Subject: you'll have to do some triage here...

if you truly can't figure out how to cite a particular item--or if figuring it out would take hours, and you don't have that time to spare--then yes, don't use that item. better not to cite at all, than to cite incorrectly.

BUT: that item was probably included in your materials precisely to check your bb'ing skills. again, if you do all the "basic" bb'ing before you start reading and writing, you may not feel the time pressure to leave it out...or, if you honestly try to bb it and just can't, then you'll know not to spend time reading the item and thinking how to use it in your argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587461)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:25 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

fair enough...but i think if your thesis doesn't require a source, you shouldn't try to throw it in there just to showcase your BBing skills...

or maybe you should.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587474)





Date: April 15th, 2006 7:43 PM
Author: soul-stirring shaky orchestra pit milk

this is terrible advice. in fact, you should cite to obscure stuff precisely to show that you know how to bluebook weird shit. e.g., the bible, the federalist papers, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587583)





Date: April 15th, 2006 8:12 PM
Author: frisky pit

love the moniker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5587773)





Date: April 15th, 2006 10:12 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

Ah Rule 15.8. Such a funny one: I love how the list goes from the bible to Shakespeare to the Bluebook.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5588663)





Date: April 15th, 2006 11:05 PM
Author: hairless stain yarmulke

at most schools students grade the competition so its pretty much a crap-shoot. the only advice I can give you is to do a good job issue spotting and don't make any glaring mistakes. Plus, a lot of schools have a blue-booking exercise which makes the whole thing even more random. Hopefully your school allows for grades to play some part of a role. In my view, grades are a much better indicator as to how well someone will contribute to law review than an arbitrary write-on competition. If not you might as well say a prayer or try hooking up with the desparate and ugly editor in chief.

Edit: I'm bitter- missed the grade-on by less than 1/10 and I had the highest legal writing grade in the school yet couldn't write-on yet students in the bottom quarter of the class were able to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589100)





Date: April 15th, 2006 11:41 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

"In my view, grades are a much better indicator as to how well someone will contribute to law review than an arbitrary write-on competition."

yeah, it really takes a 3.9 to figure out that you should publish as many articles which apply feminism to some constitutoinal theory as is humanly possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589407)





Date: April 15th, 2006 11:42 PM
Author: Seedy Locale

hahaha. if only you were joking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589418)





Date: April 15th, 2006 11:59 PM
Author: Topaz Thirsty Pervert Faggotry

sadly, i'm not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589587)





Date: April 16th, 2006 12:22 AM
Author: Seedy Locale

I've read submitted articles.... I know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589815)





Date: April 16th, 2006 12:30 AM
Author: harsh cracking candlestick maker

the fact that you couldn't grade on or write on should be a good indicator that you aren't well equipped to contribute to law review

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5589881)





Date: April 16th, 2006 1:01 AM
Author: Curious Crimson Resort Idiot

Find someone on Law Review staff.

Bribe them to give you a copy of the materials 2-3 weeks early.

(I've heard it goes for $2,500)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5590143)





Date: April 16th, 2006 12:53 PM
Author: Violent glittery persian organic girlfriend

time probably isn't the issue for most people. 10 days seems like more than enough time to write a note, personal statement, and complete an editing packet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#5592295)





Date: May 13th, 2007 11:57 PM
Author: marvelous canary lodge

also this one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8113781)





Date: May 13th, 2007 11:59 PM
Author: Spectacular university

ty ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8113797)





Date: May 14th, 2007 12:42 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle school genital piercing

Wow, how many law reviews require these diversity statements? I'm just getting done being an editor and I couldn't care less about the background of the staff members a year below me. All I care about is their ability to turn in work that is at least partially correct on time and not make more work for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8114052)





Date: May 14th, 2007 1:03 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Field Tattoo

sounds like it's tough to get on law review, and once you're on you lead a pretty shitty existence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8114139)





Date: May 14th, 2007 1:05 AM
Author: mildly autistic insane circlehead heaven

Buy Volokh's book. It really is that simple.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=399533&forum_id=2#8114148)