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13 dismissed for cheating at UT. More possible.

The principal students involved in the cheating scandal sur...
Concupiscible Area
  05/21/06
Dismissed as in kicked out of law school? Or just failed th...
bearded razzle home nowag
  05/21/06
Some are being told to return to Austin for pending honor co...
Concupiscible Area
  05/21/06
Have you talked to any of them after they got caught?
bearded razzle home nowag
  05/21/06
I've only talked one girl about it. She didn't really want ...
Concupiscible Area
  05/21/06
Even if they just get an F and not get kicked out, they migh...
bearded razzle home nowag
  05/21/06
Even the F with notation on their transcript is fucking brut...
Vermilion 180 stage potus
  05/21/06
Then they shouldn't have fucking cheated. They knew the con...
Stimulating stead candlestick maker
  05/21/06
I guess that's one response. Another option is to respond w...
Vermilion 180 stage potus
  05/21/06
Youthful mistake? 24-year olds aren't "youthful"....
Stimulating stead candlestick maker
  05/21/06
thank you for illustrating my point.
Vermilion 180 stage potus
  05/21/06
Uhh, what point? That they should be forgiven? If you have...
Stimulating stead candlestick maker
  05/21/06
the point that the forgiveness route doesn't fly on xoxo
Vermilion 180 stage potus
  05/22/06
it pretty much doesn't fly anywhere...what's the point of ru...
aromatic disturbing address trump supporter
  05/22/06
that's what they say about amnesty.
Arousing bronze windowlicker mediation
  05/22/06
Except that that doesn't really hurt anyone else.
Sick Black Institution
  05/22/06
The point is there's no legitimate grounds for forgiveness i...
Sick Black Institution
  05/22/06
I concur. They cheated. They deserve whatever punishment t...
blue erotic sandwich voyeur
  10/02/06
fuck, I can forgive them but that doesn't mean they shouldn'...
Exhilarant House
  06/16/06
Exactly. Cheating is for money.
Soul-stirring legal warrant lodge
  05/22/06
I completely agree
alcoholic kitchen
  05/22/06
they should be expelled
cobalt indecent volcanic crater school
  05/22/06
T16.
fluffy locus
  05/23/06
Bullshit. They chose to do something that they knew was wro...
Sick Black Institution
  05/22/06
bull-fucking-shit. you're talking about people fucking over ...
Orchid ape
  05/23/06
Youthful mistake my ass. They were adults who knew complete...
fluffy locus
  05/23/06
You're an idiot.
Sick Black Institution
  10/02/06
this also seems to be an idiot situation in which to cheat. ...
Bateful karate mexican
  05/22/06
I'd say it'd ruin their lives or at least their professional...
bearded razzle home nowag
  05/21/06
my point is that they aren't dead, they aren't permanently c...
Vermilion 180 stage potus
  05/21/06
Well, no, their lives aren't ruined, but do they have any ch...
Mint property
  05/21/06
True. They may have to reconsider their career choices.
bearded razzle home nowag
  05/21/06
Their lives were already ruined when UT was the best school ...
Odious Temple Faggot Firefighter
  05/21/06
ah, touche
Vermilion 180 stage potus
  05/21/06
T16pwn3d
bearded razzle home nowag
  05/21/06
lateral? now they are free to do ibanking. i say its a pro...
aromatic disturbing address trump supporter
  05/22/06
fuck that. keep the firm job, and the money
Exhilarant House
  06/16/06
This is good justice. It's good to hear them carry through.
Comical station
  05/21/06
Link? I saw the other thread, thought it was flame.
Confused Irradiated Heaven
  05/21/06
Actually, linking the original threads on this would be help...
Comical station
  05/21/06
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=...
Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
  05/22/06
How do you actually build enough of a case against someone? ...
Stimulating stead candlestick maker
  05/21/06
I totally looked at my notes during the test.
Cracking dilemma pisswyrm
  05/21/06
Predictive flame: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread...
Comical station
  05/21/06
are you bashing my white girls/asian guys thread?
fragrant at-the-ready lay
  05/21/06
13 sounds about right for what I was initially indicating he...
Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
  05/22/06
isn't it pretty clear that all this is a lie?
Vigorous Bearded Cruise Ship Fanboi
  05/21/06
There was a UT student blog that also reported on this. Migh...
brass insecure site
  05/22/06
as did the definitive UT student blog
Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
  05/22/06
What a douche. I'll bet that bitch spends all day on this b...
curious center
  05/22/06
hahaha, they are gonna get whats coming to them!! I hope the...
Pearl Autistic Pervert Principal's Office
  05/22/06
I feel bad for them. I think they need to be punished severe...
Lemon Useless Jewess Step-uncle's House
  05/22/06
I think they should be hung in a public square.
fragrant at-the-ready lay
  05/22/06
So according to that UT blog (that GTO posted), they matched...
Vibrant locale prole
  05/22/06
I imagine it went something like - pin at least 1 based on ...
Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
  05/22/06
WOW!!!
Sick Black Institution
  05/22/06
There is talk of UT forfeiting last year's BCS. USC will be ...
naked garrison
  05/22/06
What happens when USC gets DQed BUSHPWN3D-style? oh, my t...
Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
  05/22/06
hard to believe a group of girls would try and hatch a cheat...
Spectacular Location Really Tough Guy
  05/22/06
women rely on each other too much. cheating is best done al...
duck-like macaca affirmative action
  05/22/06
My father was an LAPD officer for 20 years. His advice to me...
Hideous church
  05/22/06
Well, you can always just kill them after.
Sick Black Institution
  05/22/06
prisoner's dilemma, bitch!
carnelian coffee pot
  05/22/06
NASHEQUILIBRIUMPWNED!
galvanic shrine
  05/22/06
LOL!!!
razzle-dazzle codepig hissy fit
  05/22/06
176.
Comical station
  05/22/06
Expulsion seems pretty appropriate to me given a) the zero-s...
Aphrodisiac pink nursing home
  05/22/06
no. we should be nice to them. they are just innocent kids t...
Aqua zombie-like deer antler
  05/22/06
It's a pretty big deal too. UT divides into 100 person secti...
Aphrodisiac pink nursing home
  05/22/06
This post is probably the only even remotely prestigious thi...
Magenta Anal Crotch Ticket Booth
  05/22/06
there is so much beauty in this post. i cried.
Swashbuckling casino azn
  05/22/06
These aren't economic utility bots. They're morons who acted...
Histrionic Bistre Orchestra Pit
  05/22/06
"These aren't economic utility bots." Yes, they...
fluffy locus
  05/23/06
DING! fags
Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
  05/22/06
i can't believe you guys haven't discussed how horrible the ...
racy party of the first part
  05/22/06
It's UT, what did you expect?
galvanic shrine
  05/22/06
interesting
alcoholic kitchen
  05/22/06
no surprise
electric forum water buffalo
  05/22/06
What could the advantage to having tons of people be? If yo...
fluffy locus
  05/23/06
I know very little about this unfolding story but I don't be...
Charismatic stubborn range alpha
  05/22/06
communists?
Know-it-all Depressive
  05/22/06
Proletariats unite!
Marvelous space
  05/23/06
No one said anything about LSAT. It was bar C/F fingerprints...
Doobsian state
  05/23/06
you realize that fingerprint analysis needs to be done by an...
Exhilarant House
  06/16/06
someone should tell leiter that even the 13 stupidest people...
Slippery toaster stage
  05/22/06
people cheat, even smart ones.
Know-it-all Depressive
  05/22/06
Only the dumb ones get caught. Therefore they deserve to ...
Multi-colored parlor
  05/22/06
exactly.
Slippery toaster stage
  05/22/06
Only the dumb get caught. But if you got caught, you must ha...
Infuriating hall old irish cottage
  05/22/06
credited. also, many supposedly smart people get caught for ...
Know-it-all Depressive
  05/22/06
Circular but nonetheless airtight logic. They might have ...
Multi-colored parlor
  05/22/06
you people are seriously annoying and retarded. it's not rea...
Know-it-all Depressive
  05/22/06
Perhaps, but here they were obviously both too stupid to suc...
Sick Black Institution
  05/22/06
"CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D" Or TRUEBYDEFINITIONPWN3D!
fluffy locus
  05/23/06
Have fun on the C&F portion of the bar. Auto-ding in ...
sienna public bath friendly grandma
  05/22/06
their legal careers are essentially over
Know-it-all Depressive
  05/22/06
actually a point should be made that this scheme was pretty ...
aromatic disturbing address trump supporter
  05/22/06
whats funny is that at a school like UT they were all guaren...
Crusty passionate spot
  05/22/06
Agreed. And they evidently threw away the outline in the bat...
Dashing Whorehouse
  05/22/06
"If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in...
fluffy locus
  05/23/06
The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you, All the PWN3D live-l...
Excitant sneaky criminal chapel
  05/22/06
What a fucking TTT.
Cyan sickened meetinghouse
  05/22/06
Tell us what you really think
Talented useless brakes sex offender
  05/22/06
I'd love to hear your take on the situation.
peach love of her life
  05/22/06
Talk to me baby.
Carmine Boltzmann Blood Rage
  05/22/06
Who was the rat?
Khaki den
  05/22/06
they should beat him with socks filled with bars of soap.
aromatic disturbing address trump supporter
  05/22/06
or nickels.
Know-it-all Depressive
  05/22/06
Why didn't they flush the outline down the toilet?
fragrant at-the-ready lay
  05/22/06
So is there ANY evidence that this actually occurred, apart ...
contagious organic girlfriend
  05/22/06
No.
fluffy locus
  05/23/06
...
Laughsome corner giraffe
  05/22/06
Rumor has it that it was mainly white girls w/ asian boyfrie...
fragrant at-the-ready lay
  05/22/06
its probably some blacks and hispanics, only they would thin...
Pearl Autistic Pervert Principal's Office
  05/23/06
http://longhornlaw.net/blog/ http://rov.livejournal.com/
Comical station
  05/23/06
LINO UPDATE
Doobsian state
  05/23/06
...
unholy striped hyena quadroon
  05/23/06
Longhorn law has a bit of a storied past around the law scho...
unholy striped hyena quadroon
  05/23/06
Olasky's bitch!
Beady-eyed crackhouse
  05/23/06
...
Doobsian state
  05/23/06
The cheaters' culture doesn't encourage success or condemn f...
Beady-eyed crackhouse
  05/23/06
WHITE GIRLS AND AZN GUYS
fragrant at-the-ready lay
  06/16/06
So was this flame?
mind-boggling dopamine theater stage
  06/16/06
A friend of mine at UT confirmed there was a cheating scanda...
Cerebral amber theatre
  06/16/06
...
lavender mad cow disease trailer park
  10/02/06
I love when stupid people get pwned. This kind of shit just...
boyish maroon rigpig library
  10/02/06


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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:23 PM
Author: Concupiscible Area

The principal students involved in the cheating scandal surrounding Con Law I have been discovered (I'm not going to name names). The students implicated have begun naming other students. Dean Ramos (dean of Student Affairs) is fixing the curve for the remaining students in section 3. More info to follow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829193)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:24 PM
Author: bearded razzle home nowag

Dismissed as in kicked out of law school? Or just failed the class?

edit: also, what was the method of cheating?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829194)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:31 PM
Author: Concupiscible Area

Some are being told to return to Austin for pending honor code violations councils (the method used to expel students here). They will be allowed to argue that they should not be expelled, but there is a pretty heavy presumption against them in cases like this. Others are going to probably be given an F with a disciplinary mark on their record and will be required to retake the class Pass/Fail in the fall.

The students hid notes outside the classroom and used the internet during a closed book test. Some students met with each other during the test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829239)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:33 PM
Author: bearded razzle home nowag

Have you talked to any of them after they got caught?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829251)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: Concupiscible Area

I've only talked one girl about it. She didn't really want to talk about it, obviously. They are all trying to lay low and get there shit together, it seems. Most of them aren't in Austin right now, anyways.

A few of these students had firm jobs and judicial internships that they will probably have to quit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829262)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:38 PM
Author: bearded razzle home nowag

Even if they just get an F and not get kicked out, they might have problems when they apply to the bar. I'd just drop out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829271)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:41 PM
Author: Vermilion 180 stage potus

Even the F with notation on their transcript is fucking brutal - that kind of thing will follow you for a really long time. As much as I hate cheating, it seems kind of sad that this one incident can ruin someone's life for many years.

edit - I mean, I guess it doesn't ruin their lives, just derails them a little. But in xoxo terms it ruins their lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829283)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:43 PM
Author: Stimulating stead candlestick maker

Then they shouldn't have fucking cheated. They knew the consequences if they got caught. They rolled the dice and got snake eyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829296)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:47 PM
Author: Vermilion 180 stage potus

I guess that's one response. Another option is to respond with compassion and forgiveness for what was a poor choice, granted, but might just be a youthful mistake. However, the latter doesn't really fly in xoxo-land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829316)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:51 PM
Author: Stimulating stead candlestick maker

Youthful mistake? 24-year olds aren't "youthful". This isn't middle school where kids really don't know any better. They knew that by cheating they would get better grades, giving themselves an unfair advantage over classmates with regard to summer and post-graduation opportunities. They knew that by cheating they would dick over their classmates. Cheating is the academic equivalent of steroids and it should never be excusable, especially for people who aren't young but instead are about to start their professional careers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829344)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:52 PM
Author: Vermilion 180 stage potus

thank you for illustrating my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829349)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:54 PM
Author: Stimulating stead candlestick maker

Uhh, what point? That they should be forgiven? If you haven't learned that cheating is bad by the time you are 24, you're never going to learn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829361)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:08 AM
Author: Vermilion 180 stage potus

the point that the forgiveness route doesn't fly on xoxo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829433)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:13 AM
Author: aromatic disturbing address trump supporter

it pretty much doesn't fly anywhere...what's the point of rules if violations are forgiven?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829467)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:18 AM
Author: Arousing bronze windowlicker mediation

that's what they say about amnesty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829501)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: Sick Black Institution

Except that that doesn't really hurt anyone else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830866)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: Sick Black Institution

The point is there's no legitimate grounds for forgiveness in this case, on XO or anywhere else. What would you do, wipe the slate clean and pretend it didn't happen?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830865)





Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:41 PM
Author: blue erotic sandwich voyeur

I concur. They cheated. They deserve whatever punishment the school doles out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714807)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:24 PM
Author: Exhilarant House

fuck, I can forgive them but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004572)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:20 AM
Author: Soul-stirring legal warrant lodge
Subject: Exactly. Cheating is for money.

Law school is zero-sum. That biglaw job can only go to one person, just like that CoA clerkship. Big money is involved in cheating at this level. The cheaters took a risk that they got caught on, and they have to be punished so others will see rolling snake eyes ends the game for them. Remember that the guys they screwed out of CoA or biglaw offers wouldn't have anyone looking out for them had the cheaters been successful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829512)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:20 AM
Author: alcoholic kitchen
Subject: I completely agree

They should have known better.

If they get a slap on the wrist it will also create a shiTTTy precedent at whats supposed to be a prestigious T15.

The sympathy and compassion thing just doesn't work here. Why exactly should they not be expelled - what kind of message does this send to serious students at UT?

Pls note that I'm usually not a stickler for this kind of thing, but by the time you get to law school you should not be cheating on exams.

Exams in law school mean the difference between jobs and clerkships. Maybe I'm a gunner in the making but this kind of thing ought to be taken pretty seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831112)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:29 AM
Author: cobalt indecent volcanic crater school
Subject: they should be expelled

no question about it. a very immature and stupid decision. they screwed over everyone else in their class. if it can be shown that they cheated they should be gone, no gray area

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831485)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:09 PM
Author: fluffy locus

T16.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839417)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:12 AM
Author: Sick Black Institution

Bullshit. They chose to do something that they knew was wrong, unfair, and harmful to their fellow students. They also knew the punishment. These are adults, and everyone else is working hard to try to earn fair grades. They're lucky they're not immediately expelled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830861)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 4:37 PM
Author: Orchid ape

bull-fucking-shit. you're talking about people fucking over their fellow students. this is a zero sum game. it's not happy happy times like undergrad where who cares if someone cheats because i still get my A. they pushed people down the curve. they should fry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839193)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:08 PM
Author: fluffy locus

Youthful mistake my ass. They were adults who knew completely fucking well what they were doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839410)





Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:11 PM
Author: Sick Black Institution

You're an idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714548)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: Bateful karate mexican

this also seems to be an idiot situation in which to cheat. How much would the internet really help you during a timed exam? and don't students who are well prepared have their outline memorized, making notes a bit superfluous? I can at least understand being tempted if someone could get a copy of the actual exam ahead of time, but this seems like risking your entire career without even knowing if it will help your grade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833475)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:44 PM
Author: bearded razzle home nowag

I'd say it'd ruin their lives or at least their professional careers. If they don't get kicked out and they actually get admitted to the bar, I don't know if firms would be willing to take a chance with a person who's integrity is questionable; they'd just be too much liability.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829303)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:46 PM
Author: Vermilion 180 stage potus

my point is that they aren't dead, they aren't permanently crippled, they still have their health, they have their families, they can still get relatively well-paying jobs . . . their lives aren't ruined.

But for xoxo, losing your shot at biglaw (maybe permanently) is life-ruining.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829310)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: Mint property

Well, no, their lives aren't ruined, but do they have any chance whatsoever of getting past C&F? I'd imagine they don't; is that wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829320)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: bearded razzle home nowag

True. They may have to reconsider their career choices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829321)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:47 PM
Author: Odious Temple Faggot Firefighter

Their lives were already ruined when UT was the best school they could get into. This is more of a lateral move than anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829314)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: Vermilion 180 stage potus

ah, touche

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829318)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:49 PM
Author: bearded razzle home nowag

T16pwn3d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829327)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:14 AM
Author: aromatic disturbing address trump supporter

lateral? now they are free to do ibanking. i say its a promotion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829476)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:23 PM
Author: Exhilarant House

fuck that. keep the firm job, and the money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004567)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:24 PM
Author: Comical station

This is good justice. It's good to hear them carry through.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829199)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:25 PM
Author: Confused Irradiated Heaven

Link? I saw the other thread, thought it was flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829202)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:27 PM
Author: Comical station

Actually, linking the original threads on this would be helpful, or a quick summary and timeline would be helpful, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829214)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830345)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:26 PM
Author: Stimulating stead candlestick maker

How do you actually build enough of a case against someone? Those students can name anyone they want, including innocent people that they might not like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829209)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:27 PM
Author: Cracking dilemma pisswyrm

I totally looked at my notes during the test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829212)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: Comical station

Predictive flame: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=418621&mc=6&forum_id=2

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=416129&mc=11&forum_id=2



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829230)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:35 PM
Author: fragrant at-the-ready lay

are you bashing my white girls/asian guys thread?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829258)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water

13 sounds about right for what I was initially indicating here:

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830348)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:50 PM
Author: Vigorous Bearded Cruise Ship Fanboi

isn't it pretty clear that all this is a lie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829336)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:03 AM
Author: brass insecure site

There was a UT student blog that also reported on this. Might not be flame.

EDIT: http://amicus--curiae.livejournal.com/67887.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829414)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:32 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
Subject: as did the definitive UT student blog

http://wingsandvodka.blogs.com/blog/2006/05/official_ut_che.html

not that stupid shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830358)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:48 PM
Author: curious center

What a douche. I'll bet that bitch spends all day on this board.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833979)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:08 AM
Author: Pearl Autistic Pervert Principal's Office

hahaha, they are gonna get whats coming to them!! I hope they enjoy their careers as either a coder or paralegal, lol!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829439)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:17 AM
Author: Lemon Useless Jewess Step-uncle's House

I feel bad for them. I think they need to be punished severely (F in the course sounds quite reasonable) though, mainly because cheaters get caught so rarely. That's really the only reason I don't think forgiveness should be considered in these cases- it's not because I'm a tough bastard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829495)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:18 AM
Author: fragrant at-the-ready lay

I think they should be hung in a public square.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829503)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:33 AM
Author: Vibrant locale prole

So according to that UT blog (that GTO posted), they matched students fingerprints in the ladies' bathroom to the fingerprints from bar registration?

That's hardcore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829588)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:34 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water

I imagine it went something like

- pin at least 1 based on fingerprints

- give those fingerprinted the opportunity to stay, with an F, and pass/fail in the fall, *if* they implicate others, or else they get summarily expelled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830375)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:16 AM
Author: Sick Black Institution

WOW!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830873)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:37 AM
Author: naked garrison

There is talk of UT forfeiting last year's BCS. USC will be named Champions within the fortnight!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829602)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:35 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water

What happens when USC gets DQed BUSHPWN3D-style?

oh, my trojans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830379)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:56 AM
Author: Spectacular Location Really Tough Guy

hard to believe a group of girls would try and hatch a cheating plot, but im not surprised they instantly started turning each other in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829685)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:21 AM
Author: duck-like macaca affirmative action

women rely on each other too much. cheating is best done alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829823)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: Hideous church

My father was an LAPD officer for 20 years. His advice to me as a teenager was: "ANYTHING wrong/illicit/illegal is best done alone."

Never leave a witness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830349)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:17 AM
Author: Sick Black Institution

Well, you can always just kill them after.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830875)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:24 AM
Author: carnelian coffee pot

prisoner's dilemma, bitch!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829840)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:35 AM
Author: galvanic shrine

NASHEQUILIBRIUMPWNED!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829923)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:56 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle codepig hissy fit

LOL!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830783)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:34 AM
Author: Comical station

176.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831142)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:35 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac pink nursing home

Expulsion seems pretty appropriate to me given a) the zero-sum stakes involved, b) the huge advantage cheating would provide, and c) the difficulty of catching cheaters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829929)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:50 AM
Author: Aqua zombie-like deer antler

no. we should be nice to them. they are just innocent kids trying to make it through this game called life (just like those guys at enron)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830053)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:00 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac pink nursing home

It's a pretty big deal too. UT divides into 100 person sections that essentially don't interact. That means your curve is based entirely against the 100 people you have all of your classes with (except one smaller class with only a portion of the section). If 13 people cheated, that means over 10% of the section was colluding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830118)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:00 AM
Author: Magenta Anal Crotch Ticket Booth

This post is probably the only even remotely prestigious thing you've ever done with your life.

That being said, they made a rational calculation based on the benefits of cheating, the risk of getting caught, and the punishment that would occur if they did get caught.

They lost their bet. Now they can twist in the wind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830115)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:23 PM
Author: Swashbuckling casino azn

there is so much beauty in this post. i cried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832865)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: Histrionic Bistre Orchestra Pit

These aren't economic utility bots. They're morons who acted emotionally and against their rational best interest. Still, hang them.

(Probability of getting caught * goodbye law + probability of not getting caught * slightly higher grade < 0, for pretty much everyone.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833439)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:14 PM
Author: fluffy locus

"These aren't economic utility bots."

Yes, they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839443)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:24 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water

DING! fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830300)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:05 AM
Author: racy party of the first part

i can't believe you guys haven't discussed how horrible the cheating plan was. i mean GOING OUTSIDE TO TALK; 13 PEOPLE. horrible plan. the notes in the bathroom isn't a bad idea. but to have 13 people share is ridiculous.

the kid with his outline is his pocket, known only to himself is smiling right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830836)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: galvanic shrine

It's UT, what did you expect?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830867)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:31 AM
Author: alcoholic kitchen
Subject: interesting

Based only on these threads - it Does sound like a painfully stupid plan. 13 adults colluding in the hallway and getting notes from the bathroom during an ongoing exam....thats the part that seems weird.

I guess things like this have to happen every once in awhile to reinforce how TTT some schools are. I'll talk to Leiter in Chicago about how this might be factored into his magical rankings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831131)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:35 AM
Author: electric forum water buffalo
Subject: no surprise

I see cheating happen all the time at undergrad. it's hardly a surprise that it happens at law school as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831146)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:16 PM
Author: fluffy locus

What could the advantage to having tons of people be? If you're going to get lots of people involved, you might as well try to sink them by providing a shitty outline that contains wrong information.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839453)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:22 AM
Author: Charismatic stubborn range alpha

I know very little about this unfolding story but I don't believe for a second that the administration actually took latent prints from outline in bathroom and matched them to student prints from LSAT registration. No way. First of all that process would take a long time (to retrieve prints and see if there are any matches). Crime labs have heavy backlogs and they take a while to conduct these analyses. No way could they have turned them around so quickly. Also, these labs have more important things to do--like solving violent crimes.

Second of all, I doubt UT would actually go so far as to try and fingerprint the outline.

A far more plausible scenario is that the administration bluffed and told students that they were about to analyze outline for prints. And students under suspicion freaked out and gave names of other suspected communists.

Of course this is all complete conjecture on my part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831445)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:31 AM
Author: Know-it-all Depressive

communists?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831497)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 10:59 AM
Author: Marvelous space

Proletariats unite!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5837498)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:54 PM
Author: Doobsian state

No one said anything about LSAT. It was bar C/F fingerprints. The bar people are like one block away from UT's campus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839704)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:31 PM
Author: Exhilarant House

you realize that fingerprint analysis needs to be done by an expert, right? it's pretty unlikely the Texas State Bar has an employee who is qualified to examine crime scenes for latent prints

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004597)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:38 AM
Author: Slippery toaster stage

someone should tell leiter that even the 13 stupidest people at any T14 wouldn't get caught like this, let alone be involved in such a stupid plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831522)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:39 AM
Author: Know-it-all Depressive

people cheat, even smart ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831526)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:03 PM
Author: Multi-colored parlor

Only the dumb ones get caught.

Therefore they deserve to be punished

Any names yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831637)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:55 PM
Author: Slippery toaster stage

exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831865)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:01 PM
Author: Infuriating hall old irish cottage

Only the dumb get caught. But if you got caught, you must have been dumb.

CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831891)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:03 PM
Author: Know-it-all Depressive

credited. also, many supposedly smart people get caught for "cheating" all the time. look at all the corporate scandals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831898)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:35 PM
Author: Multi-colored parlor

Circular but nonetheless airtight logic.

They might have been smart, but they were not smart enough to avoid getting caught

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832594)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:57 PM
Author: Know-it-all Depressive

you people are seriously annoying and retarded. it's not really about being "smart" or "dumb," as anyone in their right mind (read: non-xoxo people) knows and understands that these UT students are relatively bright. the harvard-bred wall street clowns who were busted several weeks ago for insider trading certainly were bright; and they only got caught because their better judgement was clouded by their greed. the same desire to succeed at all costs was presumably present here. there's a difference between being too stupid to successfully pull off a caper and allowing greed and a sick lust for success supersede your better judgement. this difference is so obvious that only an xoxo poster could confuse or overlook it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832727)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:26 PM
Author: Sick Black Institution

Perhaps, but here they were obviously both too stupid to successfully pull off the caper and also filled with greed and lust.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835343)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:21 PM
Author: fluffy locus

"CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D"

Or TRUEBYDEFINITIONPWN3D!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839484)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:11 PM
Author: sienna public bath friendly grandma

Have fun on the C&F portion of the bar.

Auto-ding in many states.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831674)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:15 PM
Author: Know-it-all Depressive

their legal careers are essentially over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831691)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:12 PM
Author: aromatic disturbing address trump supporter

actually a point should be made that this scheme was pretty sophmoric....they were gonna meet in the bathrooms to talk about the exam and look at an outline they hid? did the same people keep taking bathroom breaks? at my school only 1 person can go at a time, but regardless, this sounds like a middle school plan.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831938)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:36 PM
Author: Crusty passionate spot

whats funny is that at a school like UT they were all guarenteed good jobs no matter how they did, but now they are as P3WNED as somebody in the bottom of the class at my TTT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832047)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:44 PM
Author: Dashing Whorehouse

Agreed. And they evidently threw away the outline in the bathroom trash can? They probably should have come up with a better place to get rid of the damning evidence. If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in your work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832318)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:17 PM
Author: fluffy locus

"If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in your work."

I have a couple good methods, but you'd be crazy to think I'll share them with anonymous people on this board, much less people I know at school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839463)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:47 PM
Author: Excitant sneaky criminal chapel

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

All the PWN3D live-long day.

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

You cannot PWN3D get away.

Do not think PWN3D you can escape them,

At night PWN3D or early in the morn.

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

Till Gabriel PWN3D blows his horn.

PWN3D!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832092)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:55 PM
Author: Cyan sickened meetinghouse

What a fucking TTT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832127)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:05 PM
Author: Talented useless brakes sex offender

Tell us what you really think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832179)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:09 PM
Author: peach love of her life

I'd love to hear your take on the situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832788)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:32 PM
Author: Carmine Boltzmann Blood Rage

Talk to me baby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833905)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:00 PM
Author: Khaki den

Who was the rat?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832749)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:06 PM
Author: aromatic disturbing address trump supporter

they should beat him with socks filled with bars of soap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832779)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:09 PM
Author: Know-it-all Depressive

or nickels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832789)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:25 PM
Author: fragrant at-the-ready lay

Why didn't they flush the outline down the toilet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833873)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 8:05 PM
Author: contagious organic girlfriend

So is there ANY evidence that this actually occurred, apart from 2-3 threads on xoxo and that blog (which cites these threads)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5834068)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:22 PM
Author: fluffy locus

No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839496)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:13 PM
Author: Laughsome corner giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835215)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:13 PM
Author: fragrant at-the-ready lay

Rumor has it that it was mainly white girls w/ asian boyfriends...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835224)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:15 AM
Author: Pearl Autistic Pervert Principal's Office

its probably some blacks and hispanics, only they would think that 13 people going to the bathroom would not be suspicious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5837600)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 3:43 PM
Author: Comical station

http://longhornlaw.net/blog/

http://rov.livejournal.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5838886)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:03 PM
Author: Doobsian state
Subject: LINO UPDATE

FIRST OF ALL: what UT student is still in Austin? He must be a loser. Second of all, anyone who had Graglia knows that Graglia can't even use his computer. So why in the world would you think that he is posttting on XO? How dumb are you? Of course Graglia doesn't know anything b/c it's the admin that deals with the cheating, not him. He just grades and falls asleep in his office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839383)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: unholy striped hyena quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5840672)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: unholy striped hyena quadroon

Longhorn law has a bit of a storied past around the law school . Unfortunately, the posts and legal research memoranda that brought it to notoriety have been deleted, so only a select few can truly appreciate its glory. But it's probably best to not take that blog too seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5840691)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: Beady-eyed crackhouse

Olasky's bitch!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5841647)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:00 PM
Author: Doobsian state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839359)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:15 PM
Author: Beady-eyed crackhouse

The cheaters' culture doesn't encourage success or condemn failure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5841653)





Date: June 16th, 2006 7:56 PM
Author: fragrant at-the-ready lay

WHITE GIRLS AND AZN GUYS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004083)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:30 PM
Author: mind-boggling dopamine theater stage

So was this flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004596)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:35 PM
Author: Cerebral amber theatre

A friend of mine at UT confirmed there was a cheating scandal, but she said that no one she knew had been expelled or punished, and they were considering making the class pass/fail. But this is old news, maybe some action was taken that she didn't know about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004616)





Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:09 PM
Author: lavender mad cow disease trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714535)





Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:15 PM
Author: boyish maroon rigpig library

I love when stupid people get pwned. This kind of shit just makes my day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714581)