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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:23 PM Author: Concupiscible Area
The principal students involved in the cheating scandal surrounding Con Law I have been discovered (I'm not going to name names). The students implicated have begun naming other students. Dean Ramos (dean of Student Affairs) is fixing the curve for the remaining students in section 3. More info to follow.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829193) |
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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:24 PM Author: bearded razzle home nowag
Dismissed as in kicked out of law school? Or just failed the class?
edit: also, what was the method of cheating?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829194) |
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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:31 PM Author: Concupiscible Area
Some are being told to return to Austin for pending honor code violations councils (the method used to expel students here). They will be allowed to argue that they should not be expelled, but there is a pretty heavy presumption against them in cases like this. Others are going to probably be given an F with a disciplinary mark on their record and will be required to retake the class Pass/Fail in the fall.
The students hid notes outside the classroom and used the internet during a closed book test. Some students met with each other during the test.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829239) |
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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:36 PM Author: Concupiscible Area
I've only talked one girl about it. She didn't really want to talk about it, obviously. They are all trying to lay low and get there shit together, it seems. Most of them aren't in Austin right now, anyways.
A few of these students had firm jobs and judicial internships that they will probably have to quit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829262) |
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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:41 PM Author: Vermilion 180 stage potus
Even the F with notation on their transcript is fucking brutal - that kind of thing will follow you for a really long time. As much as I hate cheating, it seems kind of sad that this one incident can ruin someone's life for many years.
edit - I mean, I guess it doesn't ruin their lives, just derails them a little. But in xoxo terms it ruins their lives.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829283) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:20 AM Author: alcoholic kitchen Subject: I completely agree
They should have known better.
If they get a slap on the wrist it will also create a shiTTTy precedent at whats supposed to be a prestigious T15.
The sympathy and compassion thing just doesn't work here. Why exactly should they not be expelled - what kind of message does this send to serious students at UT?
Pls note that I'm usually not a stickler for this kind of thing, but by the time you get to law school you should not be cheating on exams.
Exams in law school mean the difference between jobs and clerkships. Maybe I'm a gunner in the making but this kind of thing ought to be taken pretty seriously.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831112) |
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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:46 PM Author: Vermilion 180 stage potus
my point is that they aren't dead, they aren't permanently crippled, they still have their health, they have their families, they can still get relatively well-paying jobs . . . their lives aren't ruined.
But for xoxo, losing your shot at biglaw (maybe permanently) is life-ruining.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829310) |
Date: May 21st, 2006 11:27 PM Author: Cracking dilemma pisswyrm
I totally looked at my notes during the test.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829212) |
Date: May 21st, 2006 11:50 PM Author: Vigorous Bearded Cruise Ship Fanboi
isn't it pretty clear that all this is a lie?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829336) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:03 AM Author: brass insecure site
There was a UT student blog that also reported on this. Might not be flame.
EDIT: http://amicus--curiae.livejournal.com/67887.html
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829414) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:08 AM Author: Pearl Autistic Pervert Principal's Office
hahaha, they are gonna get whats coming to them!! I hope they enjoy their careers as either a coder or paralegal, lol!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829439) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:17 AM Author: Lemon Useless Jewess Step-uncle's House
I feel bad for them. I think they need to be punished severely (F in the course sounds quite reasonable) though, mainly because cheaters get caught so rarely. That's really the only reason I don't think forgiveness should be considered in these cases- it's not because I'm a tough bastard.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829495) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:33 AM Author: Vibrant locale prole
So according to that UT blog (that GTO posted), they matched students fingerprints in the ladies' bathroom to the fingerprints from bar registration?
That's hardcore.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829588) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:34 AM Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
I imagine it went something like
- pin at least 1 based on fingerprints
- give those fingerprinted the opportunity to stay, with an F, and pass/fail in the fall, *if* they implicate others, or else they get summarily expelled
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830375) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:37 AM Author: naked garrison
There is talk of UT forfeiting last year's BCS. USC will be named Champions within the fortnight!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829602) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:35 AM Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
What happens when USC gets DQed BUSHPWN3D-style?
oh, my trojans
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830379) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:56 AM Author: Spectacular Location Really Tough Guy
hard to believe a group of girls would try and hatch a cheating plot, but im not surprised they instantly started turning each other in
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829685) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM Author: Hideous church
My father was an LAPD officer for 20 years. His advice to me as a teenager was: "ANYTHING wrong/illicit/illegal is best done alone."
Never leave a witness.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830349) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:35 AM Author: Aphrodisiac pink nursing home
Expulsion seems pretty appropriate to me given a) the zero-sum stakes involved, b) the huge advantage cheating would provide, and c) the difficulty of catching cheaters.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829929) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:00 AM Author: Magenta Anal Crotch Ticket Booth
This post is probably the only even remotely prestigious thing you've ever done with your life.
That being said, they made a rational calculation based on the benefits of cheating, the risk of getting caught, and the punishment that would occur if they did get caught.
They lost their bet. Now they can twist in the wind.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830115) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 6:18 PM Author: Histrionic Bistre Orchestra Pit
These aren't economic utility bots. They're morons who acted emotionally and against their rational best interest. Still, hang them.
(Probability of getting caught * goodbye law + probability of not getting caught * slightly higher grade < 0, for pretty much everyone.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833439) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:14 PM Author: fluffy locus
"These aren't economic utility bots."
Yes, they are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839443) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:24 AM Author: Cruel-hearted hateful office boiling water
DING! fags
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830300) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:05 AM Author: racy party of the first part
i can't believe you guys haven't discussed how horrible the cheating plan was. i mean GOING OUTSIDE TO TALK; 13 PEOPLE. horrible plan. the notes in the bathroom isn't a bad idea. but to have 13 people share is ridiculous.
the kid with his outline is his pocket, known only to himself is smiling right now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830836) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:31 AM Author: alcoholic kitchen Subject: interesting
Based only on these threads - it Does sound like a painfully stupid plan. 13 adults colluding in the hallway and getting notes from the bathroom during an ongoing exam....thats the part that seems weird.
I guess things like this have to happen every once in awhile to reinforce how TTT some schools are. I'll talk to Leiter in Chicago about how this might be factored into his magical rankings.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831131) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:22 AM Author: Charismatic stubborn range alpha
I know very little about this unfolding story but I don't believe for a second that the administration actually took latent prints from outline in bathroom and matched them to student prints from LSAT registration. No way. First of all that process would take a long time (to retrieve prints and see if there are any matches). Crime labs have heavy backlogs and they take a while to conduct these analyses. No way could they have turned them around so quickly. Also, these labs have more important things to do--like solving violent crimes.
Second of all, I doubt UT would actually go so far as to try and fingerprint the outline.
A far more plausible scenario is that the administration bluffed and told students that they were about to analyze outline for prints. And students under suspicion freaked out and gave names of other suspected communists.
Of course this is all complete conjecture on my part.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831445) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:38 AM Author: Slippery toaster stage
someone should tell leiter that even the 13 stupidest people at any T14 wouldn't get caught like this, let alone be involved in such a stupid plan.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831522) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:03 PM Author: Multi-colored parlor
Only the dumb ones get caught.
Therefore they deserve to be punished
Any names yet?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831637) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:01 PM Author: Infuriating hall old irish cottage
Only the dumb get caught. But if you got caught, you must have been dumb.
CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831891) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:35 PM Author: Multi-colored parlor
Circular but nonetheless airtight logic.
They might have been smart, but they were not smart enough to avoid getting caught
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832594) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:21 PM Author: fluffy locus
"CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D"
Or TRUEBYDEFINITIONPWN3D!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839484) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:11 PM Author: sienna public bath friendly grandma
Have fun on the C&F portion of the bar.
Auto-ding in many states.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831674) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:12 PM Author: aromatic disturbing address trump supporter
actually a point should be made that this scheme was pretty sophmoric....they were gonna meet in the bathrooms to talk about the exam and look at an outline they hid? did the same people keep taking bathroom breaks? at my school only 1 person can go at a time, but regardless, this sounds like a middle school plan.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831938)
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Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:17 PM Author: fluffy locus
"If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in your work."
I have a couple good methods, but you'd be crazy to think I'll share them with anonymous people on this board, much less people I know at school.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839463) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:47 PM Author: Excitant sneaky criminal chapel
The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,
All the PWN3D live-long day.
The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,
You cannot PWN3D get away.
Do not think PWN3D you can escape them,
At night PWN3D or early in the morn.
The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,
Till Gabriel PWN3D blows his horn.
PWN3D!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832092)
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Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:55 PM Author: Cyan sickened meetinghouse
What a fucking TTT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832127) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:00 PM Author: Khaki den
Who was the rat?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832749) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:25 PM Author: fragrant at-the-ready lay
Why didn't they flush the outline down the toilet?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833873) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 8:05 PM Author: contagious organic girlfriend
So is there ANY evidence that this actually occurred, apart from 2-3 threads on xoxo and that blog (which cites these threads)?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5834068) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:13 PM Author: Laughsome corner giraffe
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835215) |
Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:13 PM Author: fragrant at-the-ready lay
Rumor has it that it was mainly white girls w/ asian boyfriends...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835224) |
Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:00 PM Author: Doobsian state
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839359) |
Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:15 PM Author: Beady-eyed crackhouse
The cheaters' culture doesn't encourage success or condemn failure.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5841653) |
Date: June 16th, 2006 7:56 PM Author: fragrant at-the-ready lay
WHITE GIRLS AND AZN GUYS
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004083) |
Date: June 16th, 2006 9:30 PM Author: mind-boggling dopamine theater stage
So was this flame?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004596) |
Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:09 PM Author: lavender mad cow disease trailer park
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714535) |
Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:15 PM Author: boyish maroon rigpig library
I love when stupid people get pwned. This kind of shit just makes my day.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714581) |
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