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Think of the abject misery and agonizing torture of the Middle Ages
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:50 PM Author: Cerebral range jap The reality of it, not the history book anecdotes about knights and chivalry and shit. The prolonged torture by burning, disemboweling, stoning, bludgeoning, and worse. Not to mention the disease, famine, random intrusions by noble assholes on your homestead to rape your daughter, if she wasn’t already dead at 14 from giving birth. And all for nothing. Sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013429) |
Date: March 29th, 2019 10:51 PM Author: lavender puppy multi-billionaire There were like 50000 people who even existed back then
We could fit them all in a small football stadium who cares |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:52 PM Author: burgundy comical lettuce a "mild" torture like having hot skewers driven lengthwise through the undersides of your feet (but being otherwise unharmed) sounds unbearable by today's standards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013438) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:52 PM Author: amber box office voyeur The plague was a much, much bigger concern than literal torture (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013444) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:53 PM Author: Cerebral range jap Oh were you there? I wonder if you’d utter those words while your eyes were melting as you’re roasting over a smoldering pit to a live audience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013448) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:54 PM Author: amber box office voyeur Why am I being tortured? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013456) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:56 PM Author: Cerebral range jap Maybe you’re a Catholic or a Protestant? You’ve never heard of the Reformation or Counter-Reformation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013465) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:57 PM Author: Milky Rigor Stead that wasnt the middle ages einstein (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013478) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:58 PM Author: Cerebral range jap So you think people weren’t tortured for religious differences or less in the Middle Ages? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013486) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:59 PM Author: amber box office voyeur Ehh, all that is overblown. Unless you are going around spouting Cathar heresy, you should be OK. (((historians))) just like to exaggerate how oppressive the Middle Ages were. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:03 PM Author: Cerebral range jap Dude, there are surviving records. Even as late as 1563 you have Acts and Monuments by John Foxe - an account of torture and martyrdom that is 4 times longer than the Bible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013513) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:16 PM Author: amber box office voyeur as late as? That is during the Protestant Reformation when you can expect a struggle of beliefs and accompanying violence. Even then, a lot of this is propaganda to show how awful the other side is. Foxe is the height of Prod propaganda. Before the Reformation the CHurch tried to stamp out heresy, but again, unless you were a fanatic or unless your neighbor wanted to screw you over, you wouldn't be worried about torture. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:07 PM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe you guys are both right in a way, especially in regard to the (imo wrongly) infamous catholic inquisitions---the inquisitors themselves were often very benign (at least for that time period). you were much more likely to get sentenced to a series of prayers, fined, or ordered to wear a yellow patch of some sort on your clothing. pilgrimages or short stints of corvee labor were also common, probably more common than outright torture or burning it really depended on what area you lived in and who your religious overlords were. the church's own officials were regularly lenient with minor heresies or blasphemous behaviors, often moreso than the secular officials in charge with investigating and sentencing religious crimes (and under the State, that category was very broadly defined, sometimes more than under the Church) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 6:15 AM Author: buck-toothed brunch how do you people know all this shit?
lol
like really I took history and shit in college and HS but what do you read to become acquainted with the specifics of church procedure during the Middle Ages? |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:42 PM Author: Gay beady-eyed theater windowlicker I think I would have had a grand time. Discretion is my middle name and I'm sure all the guys would have been down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013669) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:53 PM Author: odious friendly grandma The plague was a godsend for survivors. One of the greatest leaps forward ever in QoL occured immediately after the plague ran its course with humanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013710) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 1:00 AM Author: cobalt embarrassed to the bone factory reset button corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013945) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:54 PM Author: Avocado Shitlib Property Every other day was a saints feast day and peasants lived in chill hovels rent free on the manor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013454) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:56 PM Author: Titillating frisky school cafeteria elastic band i like the severity/religious gloominess of the middle ages (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013471) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 10:58 PM Author: Cerebral range jap Aesthetically it is interesting, no doubt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013481) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 1:00 AM Author: cobalt embarrassed to the bone factory reset button corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013947) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:59 AM Author: Vibrant parlor cuckoldry I too have seen seventh seal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013939) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:00 PM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe it wasn't that bad, considering late antiquity would've been a much worse time to be alive---the world as europeans knew it was in freefall, you had plagues coming from the south and the east, odd weather patterns ruining a large portion of the population's livelihood, new suzerains setting up shop in your neighborhood each month, unaffiliated bands of warriors running amok through your lands and your village as the Roman state collapsed, etc in comparison to late antiquity, the middle ages were a time of great beauty and security for most segments of the european population |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:10 PM Author: Cerebral range jap Yeah it could always be worse, I was just fixated on the Middle Ages tonight for some reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013527) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:16 PM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe honestly in a lot of ways the average mindset of a man in europe during the middle ages was far more robust, inspired, and healthy than one of a man in the throes of modernity. their beliefs burned hot enough to cut through the murk of a difficult and genuinely perilous existence & they had much more respect for the concept of a truly virtuous life than their post 1900s descendants did i have a lot of appreciation for the psychological furniture that existed in the minds of men from those centuries, anthropological or psychological studies of works and people from that period are nearly always uplifting to read feel free to dm me if you want a few reading recs to help illuminate your understanding of that period, i can rummage through my shelves for you |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:20 PM Author: Cerebral range jap I made a thread a while back about how impressive Gothic architecture is and how it spoke to the brilliance of the best minds back then. There is a lot to recommend it over 2019 America, no doubt. I still feel that being an average guy would have been a pretty miserable experience, though I am naturally pessimistic and morbid by temperament so maybe it’s just me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013571) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:29 PM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe well we can't really teleport ourselves into the heads of someone from that period---our minds, the manner of our thought, and the way we ascribe value to things are all very different in modernity the medieval Christian knight was a perpetually half-manic fanatic in a state of significant psychological arousal, strongly possessed by his deeply-held loyalties and virtues and often inspired to tackle the impossible by a great profundity of pure feeling the great incendiary flame of his mental geography is nearly completely alien to our own detached, blase state of psychological being. we're little sparks flickering off of the flint of a bic compared to his burning hot pressurized phosphorous |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:33 PM Author: Cerebral range jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013628) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:44 PM Author: Gay beady-eyed theater windowlicker Go on... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013677) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:49 PM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe sorry man i don't get paid enough to go past a few paragraphs per poast these days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013694) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2019 4:00 AM Author: Topaz irradiated stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38270483) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:58 PM Author: odious friendly grandma Twins? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013733) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:09 AM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe smart guy, but no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013777) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:34 AM Author: Yapping nighttime resort (twins, hand darting to face to keep groucho glasses disguise from falling off) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013869) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:40 AM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe all the misidentification is leading me to the conclusion, despite everyone's claims to the contrary, that this forum has only ever had a handful of users with something reasonably interesting to say in its lifetime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013899) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:56 AM Author: odious friendly grandma Love you, Twins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013932) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 2:16 AM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe ok twins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38014106) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:13 PM Author: Bronze persian police squad wow that doesn’t sound ebola comparable at zika all to modern days, i wonder illegals how they muslim extremists managed to live in such looming national debt unique and interesting letting barbarians thru the gates is our strength times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013536) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:16 PM Author: rose painfully honest giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013551) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 1:01 AM Author: Vibrant parlor cuckoldry English bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013954) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 6:17 AM Author: buck-toothed brunch You don't understand what he was trying to do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38014275) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 6:24 AM Author: Buff Idea He Suggested wow that doesn’t sound comparable at all to modern days, i wonder how they managed to live in such unique and interesting times ebola zika illegals muslim extremists looming national debt letting barbarians thru the gates is our strength |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 6:28 AM Author: Floppy brass temple fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38014285) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:20 PM Author: drab multi-colored lay pistol Plus, the naked bodybuilding gyms were really run-down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013569) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:22 PM Author: exhilarant location nibblets white people lived like dogs in the middle ages. how the fuck did they ever come out of that state of filthy living? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013576) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:23 PM Author: spectacular set juggernaut Plus no indoor showers, no heated water all winter long, going outside if you need to pee in the middle of the night, if you get a cyst or an infection you either die or suffer through it or maybe get surgery without anesthetic, no birth control no refrigerators or freezers or fruit all winter long, most peopel sharing a single room with all their kids and extended family...
I do think about it. We are all lucky to be here. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:26 PM Author: amber box office voyeur Think about how many familial lines were eliminated during the black death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013603) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:31 PM Author: spectacular set juggernaut Nursing your husband and children as they die painfully and then you get it or you survive and either way it's all shit.
And either way there's no indoor plumbing. Yes, I care about indoor plumbing a LOT. We vacationed in a place with an outhouse once when I was a kid. I'm not kidding guys, that is some serious SHIT. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:35 PM Author: amber box office voyeur It is all relative. You don't miss what you can't even comprehend. I don't want to live without indoor plumbing, but that is because I have experienced it. The plague though... People thought the world was ending. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:39 PM Author: spectacular set juggernaut People could comprehend heated water and not needing to go outside to piss or having to smell their own shit if they use a chamber pot. They might not be thinking "I would like a toilet that has a good powerful flush function" but they knew they didn't like the chamberpot/outhouse arrangement.
I can comprehend never growing old and being able to live forever just fine even if it is technologically out of my reach. Someday people will look back at us and say it was barbaric how we grew old and died. And they will be right. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:47 PM Author: Gay beady-eyed theater windowlicker How would that work exactly if no one died? Overpopulation would plague the planet as we depleted all natural resources. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013687) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:49 PM Author: Cerebral range jap It’s more like people will look back and regard us as barbarians for not having legalized painless euthanasia, imho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013693) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:57 PM Author: spectacular set juggernaut We have the technology for that. Just buy a gun. Thats so easy to do today it doesnt seem worth mentioning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013730) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:00 AM Author: Cerebral range jap Yeah great answer, very cheeky. Where do you get a gun when you’re sucking tubes on a hospital bed? And what if you survive the shot anyway? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013740) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:04 AM Author: spectacular set juggernaut I already have a gun and I wouldn't survive the shot because I am competent and not a moron. These are not exactly insurmountable barriers. If you cant get that to work - you're basically using an outhouse in 2019. I mean sure, you could do it and complain about it. But it's uncalled for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013749) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 6:20 AM Author: buck-toothed brunch lol @ Mandy suggesting cancer victims should just procure a gun (from...somewhere?) and shoot themselves in the face
when we have barbiturates that can ensure a painless, peaceful non-mutilating death in minutes. |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 6:30 AM Author: Floppy brass temple fortuitous meteor (Big pharma exec) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38014286) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 6:46 AM Author: buck-toothed brunch Why do people try to step to Blue Smoke when things involving drugs are concerned? WHY?
Listen you fool barbiturates have been around since the early 20th century. They are no longer under patent by any pharmaceutical company because drug patents don't last 80 years lol.
They're cheap as fuck and no "big pharma exec" would give a shit about them because they bring in no money. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:50 PM Author: spectacular set juggernaut Space travel ad birth control plus people will start taking stupid risks to make them feel alive.
Anyway, that's not how technology works. We don't just stop progress because "oh no, think what it could do to society in 100 years!". We're operating on a quarterly profits basis. If they find a way to extend life or prevent aging, rest assured they will be putting it on the market asap. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:56 PM Author: Gay beady-eyed theater windowlicker not if it's more profitable to pump us with insulin and chemotherapy drugs. I hear they have a cure for diabetes type II (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013727) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:53 PM Author: amber box office voyeur You are an optimist. Again, I think it is relative to what your expectations are. If you never had to worry about growing old and dying, does that necessarily mean your life is better? Would you still have kids? There was no anorexia in the middle ages. People were not sitting around the local tavern complaining about sitting in an office all day at Morty's beck and call. |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:56 PM Author: spectacular set juggernaut Fuck you I want to live forever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013724) |
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Date: March 29th, 2019 11:57 PM Author: amber box office voyeur Mo years, mo problems (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013729) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:04 AM Author: spectacular set juggernaut So far so good here. I just need more time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013751) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:05 AM Author: Gay beady-eyed theater windowlicker me too, I hope God lets me have it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013753) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 12:32 AM Author: Yapping nighttime resort yeah, they had to spend time outside and didn't have $80K jobs or iphones (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38013861) |
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Date: March 30th, 2019 6:47 AM Author: Transparent supple office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38014296) |
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Date: May 21st, 2019 7:59 AM Author: Cerebral range jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4232012&forum_id=2#38265174) |