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Dumb here. What does Roe v Wade say about abortions?

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Vivacious karate
  05/20/19
it's in a penumbra
lavender brunch
  05/20/19
Idk what that means. Can you explain?
Vivacious karate
  05/20/19
I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it
lavender brunch
  05/20/19
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Maize stock car
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Glittery bearded puppy
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razzle corn cake
  05/20/19
it's a liberty protected by the constitution
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later
French market depressive
  05/20/19
The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and...
drab box office mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/19
great summary
lavender brunch
  05/20/19
where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th...
Vivacious karate
  05/20/19
No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations c...
drab box office mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/19
That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shi...
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?
drab box office mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/19
court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case Griswol...
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the c...
drab box office mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/19
same spot
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution
Exciting Garnet Mother Trailer Park
  05/20/19
blame republicans in 1868
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
Same strain of religiousity
Exciting Garnet Mother Trailer Park
  05/20/19
lmao at the state of our “country”
drab box office mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/19
It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the ...
haunting chestnut stage
  05/20/19
Except less honest about the charade
Beady-eyed locus
  05/20/19
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Abnormal emerald headpube
  05/20/19
The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of pr...
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justic...
Vivacious karate
  05/20/19
No Everyone agrees there are certain times where the consti...
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the consti...
Maize stock car
  05/20/19
lol not even thomas thinks this
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
many people are saying this
Maize stock car
  05/20/19
-@realDonaldTrump
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
Amy Barrett does
180 step-uncle's house idiot
  05/20/19
no con justices do not believe the constitution provides ...
Maize stock car
  05/20/19
con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy ...
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Glittery bearded puppy
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Abnormal emerald headpube
  05/20/19
Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when ...
Big effete water buffalo cruise ship
  05/20/19
Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.
chest-beating set fortuitous meteor
  05/20/19
I have 2 dads
Vivacious karate
  05/20/19
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lavender brunch
  05/20/19
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=123341239458352...
Lemon round eye school
  05/20/19
it has been years since law school, but basically, the state...
Brass Maniacal Locale Incel
  05/20/19
How did it come up with a trimester approach?
Vivacious karate
  05/20/19
made it up that's why casey overturned it, because it was s...
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/20/19
Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law...
Vivacious karate
  05/20/19
first-mover advantage
lavender brunch
  05/20/19
Be it’s more famous not flame Casey is controlling...
Abnormal emerald headpube
  05/20/19
Can you tell me what Casey says?
Vivacious karate
  05/20/19
Case I believe is the one that says something like the state...
Brass Maniacal Locale Incel
  05/21/19
Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?
Vivacious karate
  05/21/19
24 weeks.
dashing nibblets
  05/21/19
Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about. 1. Roe...
adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king
  05/21/19
So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after ...
Vivacious karate
  05/21/19
Depends
heady hilarious school cafeteria
  05/21/19
It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions a...
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  05/20/19
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  05/20/19
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Low-t laughsome lodge
  05/21/19
This is helpful. Thank u
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  05/20/19
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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:10 PM
Author: Vivacious karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261883)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:12 PM
Author: lavender brunch

it's in a penumbra

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261889)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:17 PM
Author: Vivacious karate

Idk what that means. Can you explain?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261905)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: lavender brunch

I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261922)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: drab box office mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261930)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:31 PM
Author: Maize stock car



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261983)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:44 PM
Author: Thirsty Rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262048)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: Cyan filthpig background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262463)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:27 PM
Author: Glittery bearded puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262487)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:50 PM
Author: razzle corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264262)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

it's a liberty protected by the constitution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261921)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:58 PM
Author: French market depressive

That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263116)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:20 PM
Author: drab box office mad-dog skullcap

The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and cast penumbras. Those emanations and penumbras are detectable by liberal justices and mean that democratically enacted laws are unconstitutional when they don’t comport with the liberal dogma of the day. The same analysis doesn’t apply to reach conservative results - it’s a one way street. It turns out that one of those emanations means that it’s unconstitutional to impede a woman’s right (found in a penumbra) to commit infanticide in certain cases. This summary is 100% true and serious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261925)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: lavender brunch

great summary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261929)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:23 PM
Author: Vivacious karate

where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th amendment?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261947)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:25 PM
Author: drab box office mad-dog skullcap

No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations come from the actual written guarantees in the bill of rights. The real trick is that it’s only possible for liberal justices to discern these emanations. Then they can figure out what rights are found in their penumbras.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261953)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261963)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:33 PM
Author: drab box office mad-dog skullcap

Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261988)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case

Griswold court is all "penumbra"

Roe court is like "wow y'all hated that penumbra shit, ummm it's maybe 14A? but it could be 9A idk"

Casey court is "okay, we hear you, 14A, it's 14A"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261994)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:53 PM
Author: drab box office mad-dog skullcap

Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the constitution is the right to engage in homosexual sodomy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262328)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:05 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

same spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262388)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: Exciting Garnet Mother Trailer Park

That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262397)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:11 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

blame republicans in 1868

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262423)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:16 PM
Author: Exciting Garnet Mother Trailer Park

Same strain of religiousity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262452)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:42 PM
Author: drab box office mad-dog skullcap

lmao at the state of our “country”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263040)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:43 PM
Author: haunting chestnut stage

It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the Book of Mormon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262045)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:33 PM
Author: Beady-eyed locus

Except less honest about the charade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263323)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: Abnormal emerald headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264239)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy. In a line of decisions, however, going back perhaps as far as 1891, the Court has recognized that a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy, does exist under the Constitution. In varying contexts, the Court or individual Justices have, indeed, found at least the roots of that right in the First Amendment, in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, in the penumbras of the Bill of Rights, in the Ninth Amendment, or in the concept of liberty guaranteed by the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment. These decisions make it clear that only personal rights that can be deemed "fundamental" or "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty" are included in this guarantee of personal privacy. They also make it clear that the right has some extension to activities relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.

This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent. Specific and direct harm medically diagnosable even in early pregnancy may be involved. Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise, to care for it. In other cases, as in this one, the additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the woman and her responsible physician necessarily will consider in consultation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261961)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: Vivacious karate

So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justices) agrees the constitution gives us the right to privacy, the question for decades has been whether the right to privacy included the right of a woman to abort?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261995)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:37 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

No

Everyone agrees there are certain times where the constitution protects certain things that are private in certain contexts

There's no freestanding "right to privacy"

Better question for court today: does the fact that the state shall not deprive anyone of "liberty" without "due process of law" include the "liberty" to abort

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262009)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: Maize stock car

That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the constitution provides that no one shall be deprived of "life" forbid the state from countenancing abortion under any circumstances? (the answer is yes)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262018)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

lol not even thomas thinks this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262022)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: Maize stock car

many people are saying this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262032)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:46 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

-@realDonaldTrump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262055)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:31 PM
Author: 180 step-uncle's house idiot

Amy Barrett does

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262998)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:38 PM
Author: Maize stock car

no

con justices do not believe the constitution provides a freestanding "right of privacy." They believe the constitution provides many specific protections - such as a right to be free from unlawful search and seizure - but that there is no general protection for privacy anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262012)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:49 PM
Author: Thriller aquamarine macaca

con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy rights being protected that libs would not protect

libs? when it suits

kyllo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262072)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: Glittery bearded puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262393)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: Blue curious keepsake machete sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262458)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:46 PM
Author: Abnormal emerald headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264235)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:36 PM
Author: Big effete water buffalo cruise ship

Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when you’re in that shadow you can kill babies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262001)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:00 PM
Author: chest-beating set fortuitous meteor

Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262107)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:02 PM
Author: Vivacious karate

I have 2 dads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262117)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:57 PM
Author: lavender brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263109)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:10 PM
Author: Lemon round eye school

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12334123945835207673

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262415)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:29 PM
Author: Brass Maniacal Locale Incel

it has been years since law school, but basically, the state has to balance the woman's interest in privacy with the state's interest in protecting the baby and then came up with a trimester approach, where the woman's interest trumps in the first trimester, the state's interest can trump in the third trimester, and in the second trimester there can be reasonable limitations.

This later got morphed into something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262992)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: Vivacious karate

How did it come up with a trimester approach?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263270)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

made it up

that's why casey overturned it, because it was sps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263276)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:32 PM
Author: Vivacious karate

Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263321)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: lavender brunch

first-mover advantage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264241)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: Abnormal emerald headpube

Be it’s more famous not flame

Casey is controlling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264252)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:51 PM
Author: Vivacious karate

Can you tell me what Casey says?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264276)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 9:00 AM
Author: Brass Maniacal Locale Incel

Case I believe is the one that says something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265289)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:37 AM
Author: Vivacious karate

Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265799)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:53 AM
Author: dashing nibblets

24 weeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265873)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:13 PM
Author: adulterous crimson famous landscape painting philosopher-king

Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about.

1. Roe is like an important kind of precedent we can't just toss out.

2. While we were kind of uncertain where in the Constitution talks about abortion, we're saying it's a woman's "liberty" under the Fourteenth Amendment.

3. The "trimester" framework we made up was SPS so we're throwing it away and instead saying the woman's liberty interest is high before fetal viability and low after fetal viability.

4. Any laws restricting abortion before fetal viability can't place an "undue burden" on the woman (which means pretty much whatever 5 justices say).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265980)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:20 PM
Author: Vivacious karate

So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after 24 weeks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266016)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:27 PM
Author: heady hilarious school cafeteria

Depends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266061)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:57 PM
Author: drab box office mad-dog skullcap

It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions are just edicts announced by five disconnected “intellectuals” dressed up in 50 - 200 pages of obfuscatory “legal reasoning” and “constitutional law”.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263457)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: Abnormal emerald headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264253)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 1:02 AM
Author: Low-t laughsome lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264454)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: autistic chapel knife

This is helpful. Thank u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264257)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:56 AM
Author: heady hilarious school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265897)