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Dumb here. What does Roe v Wade say about abortions?

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talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/20/19
it's in a penumbra
Glittery mother background story
  05/20/19
Idk what that means. Can you explain?
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/20/19
I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it
Glittery mother background story
  05/20/19
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lascivious greedy dilemma
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  05/20/19
it's a liberty protected by the constitution
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later
Marvelous Feces
  05/20/19
The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and...
Light athletic conference hall
  05/20/19
great summary
Glittery mother background story
  05/20/19
where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th...
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/20/19
No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations c...
Light athletic conference hall
  05/20/19
That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shi...
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?
Light athletic conference hall
  05/20/19
court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case Griswol...
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the c...
Light athletic conference hall
  05/20/19
same spot
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution
confused vermilion goyim
  05/20/19
blame republicans in 1868
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
Same strain of religiousity
confused vermilion goyim
  05/20/19
lmao at the state of our “country”
Light athletic conference hall
  05/20/19
It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the ...
Razzmatazz National
  05/20/19
Except less honest about the charade
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  05/20/19
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  05/20/19
The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of pr...
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justic...
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/20/19
No Everyone agrees there are certain times where the consti...
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the consti...
crusty sinister gunner
  05/20/19
lol not even thomas thinks this
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
many people are saying this
crusty sinister gunner
  05/20/19
-@realDonaldTrump
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
Amy Barrett does
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  05/20/19
no con justices do not believe the constitution provides ...
crusty sinister gunner
  05/20/19
con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy ...
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Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when ...
misanthropic adventurous persian
  05/20/19
Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.
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  05/20/19
I have 2 dads
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/20/19
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Glittery mother background story
  05/20/19
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=123341239458352...
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it has been years since law school, but basically, the state...
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  05/20/19
How did it come up with a trimester approach?
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/20/19
made it up that's why casey overturned it, because it was s...
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/20/19
Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law...
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/20/19
first-mover advantage
Glittery mother background story
  05/20/19
Be it’s more famous not flame Casey is controlling...
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  05/20/19
Can you tell me what Casey says?
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/20/19
Case I believe is the one that says something like the state...
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  05/21/19
Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/21/19
24 weeks.
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  05/21/19
Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about. 1. Roe...
chestnut underhanded abode
  05/21/19
So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after ...
talented topaz parlour boistinker
  05/21/19
Depends
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  05/21/19
It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions a...
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  05/21/19
This is helpful. Thank u
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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:10 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:12 PM
Author: Glittery mother background story

it's in a penumbra

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261889)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:17 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

Idk what that means. Can you explain?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261905)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: Glittery mother background story

I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261922)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: Light athletic conference hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261930)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:31 PM
Author: crusty sinister gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261983)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:44 PM
Author: Aggressive Circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262048)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: Excitant brass laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262463)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:27 PM
Author: lascivious greedy dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262487)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:50 PM
Author: Adulterous antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264262)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

it's a liberty protected by the constitution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261921)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:58 PM
Author: Marvelous Feces

That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263116)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:20 PM
Author: Light athletic conference hall

The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and cast penumbras. Those emanations and penumbras are detectable by liberal justices and mean that democratically enacted laws are unconstitutional when they don’t comport with the liberal dogma of the day. The same analysis doesn’t apply to reach conservative results - it’s a one way street. It turns out that one of those emanations means that it’s unconstitutional to impede a woman’s right (found in a penumbra) to commit infanticide in certain cases. This summary is 100% true and serious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261925)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: Glittery mother background story

great summary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261929)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:23 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th amendment?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261947)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:25 PM
Author: Light athletic conference hall

No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations come from the actual written guarantees in the bill of rights. The real trick is that it’s only possible for liberal justices to discern these emanations. Then they can figure out what rights are found in their penumbras.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261953)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261963)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:33 PM
Author: Light athletic conference hall

Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261988)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case

Griswold court is all "penumbra"

Roe court is like "wow y'all hated that penumbra shit, ummm it's maybe 14A? but it could be 9A idk"

Casey court is "okay, we hear you, 14A, it's 14A"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261994)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:53 PM
Author: Light athletic conference hall

Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the constitution is the right to engage in homosexual sodomy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262328)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:05 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

same spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262388)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: confused vermilion goyim

That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262397)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:11 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

blame republicans in 1868

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262423)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:16 PM
Author: confused vermilion goyim

Same strain of religiousity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262452)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:42 PM
Author: Light athletic conference hall

lmao at the state of our “country”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263040)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:43 PM
Author: Razzmatazz National

It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the Book of Mormon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262045)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:33 PM
Author: Mustard shivering ratface school

Except less honest about the charade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263323)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: translucent exciting travel guidebook mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264239)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy. In a line of decisions, however, going back perhaps as far as 1891, the Court has recognized that a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy, does exist under the Constitution. In varying contexts, the Court or individual Justices have, indeed, found at least the roots of that right in the First Amendment, in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, in the penumbras of the Bill of Rights, in the Ninth Amendment, or in the concept of liberty guaranteed by the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment. These decisions make it clear that only personal rights that can be deemed "fundamental" or "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty" are included in this guarantee of personal privacy. They also make it clear that the right has some extension to activities relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.

This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent. Specific and direct harm medically diagnosable even in early pregnancy may be involved. Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise, to care for it. In other cases, as in this one, the additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the woman and her responsible physician necessarily will consider in consultation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261961)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justices) agrees the constitution gives us the right to privacy, the question for decades has been whether the right to privacy included the right of a woman to abort?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261995)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:37 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

No

Everyone agrees there are certain times where the constitution protects certain things that are private in certain contexts

There's no freestanding "right to privacy"

Better question for court today: does the fact that the state shall not deprive anyone of "liberty" without "due process of law" include the "liberty" to abort

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262009)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: crusty sinister gunner

That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the constitution provides that no one shall be deprived of "life" forbid the state from countenancing abortion under any circumstances? (the answer is yes)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262018)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

lol not even thomas thinks this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262022)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: crusty sinister gunner

many people are saying this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262032)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:46 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

-@realDonaldTrump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262055)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:31 PM
Author: Primrose box office

Amy Barrett does

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262998)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:38 PM
Author: crusty sinister gunner

no

con justices do not believe the constitution provides a freestanding "right of privacy." They believe the constitution provides many specific protections - such as a right to be free from unlawful search and seizure - but that there is no general protection for privacy anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262012)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:49 PM
Author: Curious Olive Useless Brakes Digit Ratio

con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy rights being protected that libs would not protect

libs? when it suits

kyllo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262072)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: lascivious greedy dilemma



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: Fluffy mad-dog skullcap rehab



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:46 PM
Author: translucent exciting travel guidebook mexican



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:36 PM
Author: misanthropic adventurous persian

Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when you’re in that shadow you can kill babies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262001)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:00 PM
Author: rambunctious beta blood rage

Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262107)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:02 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

I have 2 dads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262117)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:57 PM
Author: Glittery mother background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263109)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:10 PM
Author: Crystalline voyeur lay

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12334123945835207673

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262415)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:29 PM
Author: aqua address bbw

it has been years since law school, but basically, the state has to balance the woman's interest in privacy with the state's interest in protecting the baby and then came up with a trimester approach, where the woman's interest trumps in the first trimester, the state's interest can trump in the third trimester, and in the second trimester there can be reasonable limitations.

This later got morphed into something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262992)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

How did it come up with a trimester approach?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263270)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

made it up

that's why casey overturned it, because it was sps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263276)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:32 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263321)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: Glittery mother background story

first-mover advantage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264241)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: translucent exciting travel guidebook mexican

Be it’s more famous not flame

Casey is controlling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264252)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:51 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

Can you tell me what Casey says?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264276)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 9:00 AM
Author: aqua address bbw

Case I believe is the one that says something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265289)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:37 AM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265799)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:53 AM
Author: cracking umber theatre

24 weeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265873)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:13 PM
Author: chestnut underhanded abode

Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about.

1. Roe is like an important kind of precedent we can't just toss out.

2. While we were kind of uncertain where in the Constitution talks about abortion, we're saying it's a woman's "liberty" under the Fourteenth Amendment.

3. The "trimester" framework we made up was SPS so we're throwing it away and instead saying the woman's liberty interest is high before fetal viability and low after fetal viability.

4. Any laws restricting abortion before fetal viability can't place an "undue burden" on the woman (which means pretty much whatever 5 justices say).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265980)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:20 PM
Author: talented topaz parlour boistinker

So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after 24 weeks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266016)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:27 PM
Author: Chrome son of senegal

Depends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266061)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:57 PM
Author: Light athletic conference hall

It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions are just edicts announced by five disconnected “intellectuals” dressed up in 50 - 200 pages of obfuscatory “legal reasoning” and “constitutional law”.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263457)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: translucent exciting travel guidebook mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264253)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 1:02 AM
Author: ruby nowag hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264454)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: beady-eyed iridescent main people toilet seat

This is helpful. Thank u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264257)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:56 AM
Author: Chrome son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265897)