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Lol at people who complain about biglaw like it's hard. You are a pussy.
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:04 AM Author: Cracking temple fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020553) |
Date: October 24th, 2019 10:06 AM Author: Exhilarant plum university black woman I love the "it's stressful!" complaint
All professional jobs are stressful. Most don't pay anywhere near what biglawyers make.
The work actually isn't that stressful either. No pressure to bring in business until you're a higher level associate. You're basically getting paid 200-300k to do homework assignments. |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:10 AM Author: Cracking temple fortuitous meteor It's unbelievable, really. People will complain about anything and weak men crave victimhood. This same type of personality makes them unable to appreciate how sheltered they are from real adversity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020575) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:11 AM Author: Exhilarant plum university black woman "weak men crave victimhood"
you just summarized the entire existence of xoxohth.com |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:12 AM Author: Cracking temple fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020586) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:14 AM Author: rusted property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020594) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 11:31 AM Author: Filthy messiness pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020917) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 12:06 PM Author: Vigorous Topaz Sweet Tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021078) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 12:13 PM Author: provocative market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021101) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 12:15 PM Author: Diverse mischievous sanctuary telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021111) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 8:33 AM Author: Floppy out-of-control partner boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024908) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 8:34 AM Author: Seedy codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024914) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:10 AM Author: jet depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025003) |
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Date: October 26th, 2019 9:50 AM Author: Salmon Bat Shit Crazy Cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39029415) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:58 AM Author: Lascivious Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041583) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:17 AM Author: Smoky locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041670) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:13 AM Author: Salmon Bat Shit Crazy Cumskin This is absolutely true. However, that doesn’t mean it isn’t stressful. It is often very stressful. |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:15 AM Author: rusted property this is highly dependent on vault rank, practice group, client, and partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020596) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:15 AM Author: Cracking temple fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020599) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:15 AM Author: Claret racy internal respiration ljl at the quotemos ITT talking to themselves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020597) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 10:15 AM Author: Cracking temple fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020600) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 11:35 AM Author: obsidian institution tcr, remember that video from this summer with the SAs sharing a chatty office in the financial district from a high floor with views of the harbor, sipping on Starbucks and not doing anything while collecting $3,650/week? Strolling in at 10:30. Down to drinks at 6:00pm. BIGLAW is a BIGJOKE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39020932) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 12:02 PM Author: Cracking temple fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021052) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 12:05 PM Author: Exhilarant plum university black woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021073) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 12:51 PM Author: Buck-toothed sienna mediation box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021296) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 8:35 AM Author: fragrant main people casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024919) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 12:55 PM Author: White quadroon It's the lack of job security and "exit options" that makes us sad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021326) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 1:04 PM Author: Exhilarant plum university black woman lol wut? 200k in-house with iron clad job security isn't enough for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021390) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 12:37 AM Author: White quadroon (guy posting from 2005) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024338) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 6:17 AM Author: amber useless doctorate becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024764) |
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Date: October 24th, 2019 1:08 PM Author: Vigorous Topaz Sweet Tailpipe (lit associate) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39021430) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:10 AM Author: lemon pocket flask ti,oc,tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041639) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 12:43 AM Author: Rose Sickened Heaven Therapy It sounds horribly boring and soul crushing. I imagine attorneys count every minute of every hour in biglaw in the hopes of finally leaving for the day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024354) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:14 AM Author: White quadroon "leaving for the day" ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024450) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:27 AM Author: Sinister party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024482) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:31 AM Author: Laughsome Olive Macaca Generalized Bond In fact, biglaw firms require biglawyers to count every minute of every day. These firms have entire systems designed to facilitate that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024495) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 12:47 AM Author: tripping chad school lol all these biglaw dorks complain about emails. "OMG I got an email REEEEEEEEEEEEEE" |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:07 AM Author: light massive garrison ITT idiot junior/midlevel burnouts from Reed Smith. Same kind of babbling mouth-breathing 1Ls who used to say shit like "law is just copying/pasting" who washed out after 6 months or never made it into biglaw in the first place.
A top firm practice in a group like M&A or PE is extremely stressful and hard.
Remember what it was like taking an exam in school? That's V5 every single day, multiple times a day. Basically everything you do is a quiz or exam and you're expected to get an A every time. Let me illustrate:
1) Negotiations with X target and their lawyers, with your Y PE client. You've spent the last 2 days marking up the document and advising the client (who are sophisticated and can tell if you don't know what you're talking about) on what you think you can get away with. You're finally in the conference room. The target's lawyers are going to fight everything you say, and your client is staring at you and ready to move on to the next Vault firm if you can't extract from the target the terms that they want. There's minor crap you have to worry about like talking a 5% indemnity cap up to 100% and coming up with a good justification, or trying to turn the locked-box into some form of working capital adjustment. In the back of your mind you know you'll probably just end up at "to be further discussed" and you'll spend the rest of the day coming up with alternative language that you can compromise on, and then you'll have to have the same discussions and fight over the same issues with the client and the counterparty again.
All the while, your phone is blowing up with Z client asking when you're available for a call to discuss the purchase agreement on their deal, A junior asking you to review their work, B partner asking you to help out on their deal, C counterparty chasing you for comments to their draft and D wife asking if you're free for dinner on Thursday with her parents.
2) A very experienced M&A client asks you to mark-up 3 documents by tomorrow. You have to spot all the right issues, get specialist input, manage the team and manage your real-life, all under extreme time-constraints and try not to make any stupid mistakes. You also have a call with lawyers in another country so you'll be in the office late due to time zone differences, and then you have to also write about 20 emails answering random questions about the deals you are currently working on or coordinating the work with your team. You have to take a dump, haven't had lunch yet (it's 4pm) and could use some more coffee. Good luck.
1 and 2 happen every single day.
I'm not saying this stuff is glamorous, important or even "normal." But for you all to sit there and assume that biglaw = quietly sitting behind a desk and doing a half-assed job drafting one contract in a bubble, that's ludicrous. At the top-end of biglaw it's extremely demanding and the standards are very high.
If there are any other M&A masterminds here, I think you can all relate to actually "starting your day" at 6pm after you are done with hours-long conference calls or meetings, and staring at the pile of work you have to do by the next morning. |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:12 AM Author: Indecent Sick Incel Cruise Ship It's stressful because of the quick turnaround times.
Realistically, no client will change firms. |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:14 AM Author: light massive garrison Happens all the time for large PE or VC clients. Large corporates tend to stick with the same firm for long-periods of time, but even they have a panel of firms they will rotate through. They are also not shy about calling the managing partner and telling them who they think sucks or who they want working on their deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024453) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:27 AM Author: Indecent Sick Incel Cruise Ship which firms work in that space? stb, k&e, lw? who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024483) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:42 AM Author: light massive garrison I do, because I am in that space. If you include VC / TMT work you are also dealing with WS, Cooley, Fenwick, Weil etc.
And let's get real, even outside of M&A there's a lot of really bad practice groups. Bankruptcy/restrucring, credit, etc., can all be brutal. |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 6:57 AM Author: blue autistic laser beams forum Oh noes! WeWork is threatening to find another firm! What will we do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024797) |
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Date: October 26th, 2019 7:16 AM Author: light massive garrison In most M&A practices, whichever team you are in you tend to have just a handful of really big clients that feed you a really big part of your work, sometimes it's just two or three. If one of them goes away (to another firm or another lawyer in your practice group after the client complains) it's game over for you.
Maybe this doesn't apply to junior associates who work with a variety of partners (which would explain your ignorance), but at least at the mid/senior level you are dependent on just a couple of partners for all of your work. |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:24 AM Author: Sinister party of the first part Quick turn around times + sheer amount of work + expectation of perfection (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024472) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:21 AM Author: light massive garrison And one thing juniors or mid-levels who fled biglaw to go inhouse early never realize is how important IQ is to the job and how you have to keep studying.
In negotiations case law comes up all the freaking time when dealing with validity or enforceability of bargaining positions and you have to know that shit. Examples:
-We don't want to be subject to good faith requirements, so let's get out of New York law. Give us some suggestions. -Wait what's the caselaw on the enforceability of termination fees in New York? -I don't like this liquidated damages provision, seems like it would be unenforceable in Delaware. Thoughts? -Which governing law do you propose that would permit this non-solicitation clause? -We think this put option premium would be enforceable, do you disagree?
And when you negotiate you are often asked on the spot to illustrate your proposed wording so you need to be able to think quickly on your feet and come up with something intelligent that works and addresses the concern. I'm no genius, but I'm HYP + HYS and I still find my job really fing hard on a daily basis. |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:25 AM Author: tripping chad school lmao this is negotiating 101. Don't say or claim something you can't back up. "guys, it's hard. the people I'm competing against call me out on the stuff I say" as if this wasn't expected |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:26 AM Author: light massive garrison Yes, it's 101, and it's really really hard to get to the point where you can back your shit up. It doesn't just come to you, you have to constantly read this crap and spend your non-billable time studying and discussing and learning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024480) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 10:51 AM Author: startled vivacious dilemma degenerate LMAO, you self important faggot. Keep telling yourself that you MAED it because your high IQ and rigorous work ethic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025345) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 2:57 PM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39026508) |
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Date: October 26th, 2019 7:17 AM Author: light massive garrison I maed it because of my IQ and insane work ethic, yes. You don't make it past year 5 without both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39029202) |
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Date: October 26th, 2019 10:15 AM Author: startled vivacious dilemma degenerate You made it because of your 115-125 IQ, a complete lack of interest in anything that life offers other than money and possibly prestige, and yes, because of your work ethic, which is why you're probably some service partner who will bill 2,200 hrs for the next decade. You're nothing more than a paper pusher.
Yes, legal docs are more complicated that the forms that compliance monkeys fill out, but you're fooling yourself if you think your work product is inherently difficult. People burn out of biglaw because they don't actually give a shit about the substance in the documents. They don't take notes about what the market is on the indemnities sections. That's the real reason why you made it.
The difference between you and burnouts is that you actually gave a shit; you were the autist who spent countless hours mastering purchase agreements, learning how Section 9.2 interacts with 7.6. That doesn't make you smart or better than them. In fact, as someone who thinks that there's more to life than work and sees law as just a means to an end, I would say you're the dumb one. You'll wake up one day and realize that you wasted decades on mastering agreements that nobody gives a shit about other than you. |
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Date: October 27th, 2019 7:52 AM Author: light massive garrison I don't think I'm smarter than the ones who burned out. Everyone who gets their foot in the door of a V10 are smart enough. Yes, I think I cared more about the job and that's why I survived as long as I did.
But don't fool yourself. I don't think any of this stuff is important or necessary for a functional society. But I know the rules and I made the choice to play by the rules. I have no delusions or self-importance regarding not making any meaningless typos or having a sloppy draft. In the end, most of it will not matter one bit and you know what? I don't give a shit whether it matters or not. I know what the clients want and what my firm wants and I'm willing to put out for it. |
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Date: November 1st, 2019 2:36 AM Author: Copper goal in life orchestra pit These are very basic questions any decent midlevel would know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39056220) |
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Date: November 1st, 2019 2:48 AM Author: light massive garrison Except they don't.
You give them an SPA to markup by tomorrow, and so they'll read through clauses like the indemnification clause and not even think to consider enforceability under the governing law.
I've worked with many midlevels and I've never gotten a markup back where they've identified a valid enforceability concern (other than the really basic stuff like non-solicits or termination fees). They'll markup a Delaware document like a New York deal, or a New York document like a Delaware deal.
Now if you pose the question like a quiz format, i.e., "is this enforceable" then they'll probably be able to do some quick research and come back with an answer, but that's completely different from being able to know that this is an issue and have the answer ready during face to face negotiations where you cannot say "let me get back to you."
To give you another example - let's say I've proposed a 50% indemnity cap on a New York governed law document. You think it's high. How are you going to push back? Say "it's not market practice?" Lol I will run a train through you if you say that. "Sell me on why you think 5% is more appropriate than 10% or 20% or 50% i.e., how you're not just picking an arbitrary number, go." Watches you flail in front of your client like an idiot. |
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Date: November 2nd, 2019 10:12 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap If they’re midlevels they are probably about to go in house and don’t give a fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39061013) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 6:07 AM Author: Silver effete azn sound barrier Lol what a pussy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024760) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 6:10 AM Author: amber useless doctorate becky lol this is retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024761) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 6:35 AM Author: poppy fear-inspiring center death wish Now take a step back and consider why anyone on the planet other than a complete autist would ever want to waste their life doing this for any amount of money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024773) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 8:22 AM Author: haunting space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024888) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 8:25 AM Author: obsidian institution lol, this. Also lol at bickering over indemnity language like it matters . You just do your best and get something half-heartedly in there. You don’t obsess over it you dumb fool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024893) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 8:57 AM Author: amber useless doctorate becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024963) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:11 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap (Reed Smith bro) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025005) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:12 AM Author: jet depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025007) |
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Date: October 26th, 2019 7:27 AM Author: light massive garrison You mean why there are like 30,000 law school applicants each year and roughly the same amount dreaming of a biglaw job?
A lot of people give up on that dream or walk away eventually, but there are thousands of people who stay in the game each year.
How we choose to live our lives is none of your concern. We're all fertilizing in a few years anyways so who gives a crap. |
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Date: October 27th, 2019 7:58 AM Author: poppy fear-inspiring center death wish I'm glad you were able to leverage your Aspergers. It's an asset in biglaw. The rest of us (those of the 30,000 that leave biglaw after a few years) find the job torturous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39032697) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:12 AM Author: light massive garrison I get that you're maybe 50% flaming, but you're missing the picture.
My goal is to be retired at age 50 - young enough to still enjoy travel and my hobbies.
Because I figured out how to stay in Biglaw, I'm saving several hundred $$$ every year now after taxes. I live in a fairly modest house (bought for a bit under $ 1 million, worth a lot more now), have another home of around the same value that I am renting out and no debt. I don't spend $$$ on useless crap or models/bottles and live pretty low-key so I won't have to deal with any abrupt changes in my lifestyle if I leave biglaw.
Maybe I'm a top 10% outcome in biglaw or so, who knows. But yeah, call me whatever you want, I worked really hard and I'm not ashamed of it. |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 8:43 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap Don't you have family money? Pretty sure you don't have to wait until 50 lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041155) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 2:58 AM Author: light massive garrison Parents probably have another 20 years to go at least (my grandparents all lived until their 90s or are still alive).
So I have to make my own moves for now. Only plus of family money is I don't have to worry about saving for retirement. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 5:23 PM Author: Cobalt big-titted deer antler Asians have been known to have long life expediencies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39048919) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 8:40 AM Author: Exhilarant plum university black woman Lol fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024932) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:07 AM Author: Silver effete azn sound barrier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024994) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:12 AM Author: jet depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025009) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:13 AM Author: jet depressive lol alright uncle chang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025012) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:42 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap Re: scenario 1 - is it still that common to have in person negotiations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041494) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:03 AM Author: Lascivious Business Firm this is correct. the juggling multiple clients is what really enhances the misery factor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041605) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:08 AM Author: Coral shrine ape No it's not correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041628) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:25 AM Author: Sinister party of the first part I've had a few law jobs and biglaw was by far the most stressful. I also did a stint as an accountant at a Big 4 before law school and that was very chill in comparison.
The constant fire drills, quick turn around times, and sheer amount of work made biglaw the hardest job I've ever had....by far. |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:25 AM Author: flirting striped hyena faggot firefighter the really good associates (i wasn't one of them) get crushed with work from a zillion directions and eventually either go insane and/or becum addicted to the stress
even as a mediocre associate, it's pretty stressful until u gain enough passive income / get an exit op so u can recognize it all for the flame that it is |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:28 AM Author: Sinister party of the first part It's just stressful in general because the deadlines are always terrible (give me a 60 page memo in 2 days or draft 50 page contract over night) etc. and there's very little guidance, so you excel or drown
Working long hours isn't necessarily the issue - a lot of people can work long hours. It's the constant fire drills and sheer amount of work that make people crazy. |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:32 AM Author: flirting striped hyena faggot firefighter pretty much
i'm at a "high-stress" inhouse job and the most stressful day here has still been chiller than pretty much every day i spent in biglaw |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:32 AM Author: Indecent Sick Incel Cruise Ship I'm seeing this and they are cracking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024497) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:34 AM Author: flirting striped hyena faggot firefighter watching a really good associate go insane is unsettling -- it's like watching someone simultaneously play 12 games of tetris at increasingly high speeds
you know it's unsustainable and that they're eventually going to go nuts and it's just a matter of time |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:41 AM Author: light massive garrison It's really sad to watch but it happens to at least one guy from every class. Rising star, gets praise from everyone. After a year or two though, he is MIA on a night you need them. Oh well, he probably had something really urgent to do. He's unreachable on Saturday. Oh, he probably had a family tragedy. He does a really bad job on an assignment. Oh, he probably just misunderstood something. He doesn't shave anymore and doesn't smile and just seems low energy. Oh, he's probably just really busy and hasn't gotten much sleep. Next thing you know, this guy is either quitting, or has over the course of 1 year transformed into the most worthless, hated associate in the team. Really sad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024514) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:08 AM Author: appetizing range gay wizard OMG
Thank God I didn't end up in biglaw |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 10:44 AM Author: obsidian institution After awhile it gets hard to wake up in the morning and give a shit about BIGLAW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025321) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 10:54 AM Author: startled vivacious dilemma degenerate I'm sure it's not because he's got a faggot like you breathing down his neck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025349) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 3:17 PM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39026602) |
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Date: October 26th, 2019 7:19 AM Author: light massive garrison Wake up - it's not about faggots like me. It's the way the system is. We all knew about the system starting in law school, and you had every year to back the fuck out. You literally have 5+ recruiter calls every single fucking day starting in year 2 and basically endless inhouse opportunities.
Don't give me this crap about "oh it's assholes like you". It's like NFL players bitching about concussions. Yeah stfu you weren't complaining when you were being paid.
You want to play the game, then fucking play and stop bitching about the rules. |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 9:46 PM Author: lemon pocket flask LOL @ “endless in house opportunities” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39044588) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 2:59 AM Author: light massive garrison You'd have to be literally retarded to not land multiple inhouse jobs. The market is hot for inhouse hiring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39045857) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 8:07 AM Author: Zippy Dull Theatre Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041082) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:21 AM Author: Coral shrine ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041683) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:32 AM Author: Rose Sickened Heaven Therapy Who the fuck has passive incum these days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024499) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 1:48 AM Author: tripping chad school The "really good associates" are the suckers in big law. Have you ever heard the saying, "Don't be a victim of your own success"? Those "really good associates" were the nerds in school who thought the perfect way to exist was having all the right answers, the perfect test scores, the perfect LSAT. The "really good associates" get crushed in big law because people who scored lower than them on those tests, but are predators, can easily spot the suckers. They know these suckers are programmed to treat every assignment and task they receive as if it's the LSAT or the final exam and their life depends on it. These suckers get eaten up. They're perfectly trained and obedient dogs trying to run with the wolf pack without realizing it. Because the suckers are "really good", the work keeps piling on, day in and day out. Every day the wolves keep tightening the collar, demanding more as they tug the leash.
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Date: October 25th, 2019 2:00 AM Author: light massive garrison Naw.
The traits that made them a "good associate" in the first-place brought them to a very high paying job, which sucked, but at least they had the chance to make some real $$.
-some of them will go to really good in-house jobs -some of them will make equity partner and make $$$$ -some of them will make partner in midlaw and make $ -some of them will invariable flame out, but hey, they are probably better off in the long-run than if they just got some random dead-end corporate job in Kansas
Let's be real here. We're not talking about some trust-fund babies who passed up some glamorous job elsewhere to do biglaw. It's the best that most of us could get. |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:20 AM Author: obsidian institution It is really sad to see people that just burn up. A lot of times they are truly good bros with families to provide for, but they just burnout. It really pulls at your heart strings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025025) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 6:06 PM Author: Boyish Multi-billionaire Indirect Expression Lol you’re posting at 2am desperately justifying your job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39027199) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 8:10 PM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39027703) |
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Date: October 26th, 2019 7:21 AM Author: light massive garrison Lol hi Nutella.
I'm not trying to justify my job. It sucks on many counts. I also make a lot of money and am financially secure. I think I'll take home $700K this year. Not as much as others, perhaps yourself or CSLG, but worth putting up with the BS. Some of my LS friends still in biglaw are now making 7 figures. We bitch about the same stuff we used to bitch about (cancelled plans, business trips to crap locations, etc.) but we all live in really nice homes, have nice cars, families are very well taken care of, etc. None of us are old enough yet where we're dealing with ruined marraiges or estranged kids, so who knows what we'll look like 5-10 years from now, but for now things are good.
But yeah, I'm spending this weekend marking up a prospectus and I'm not even a securities lawyer lol! It sucks and I'd rather be doing something else.
p.s. Let's be honest - you're only enjoying the life you are now BECAUSE of biglaw. Biglaw was a great result for you, and I'm sure you are benefitting daily from what you learned there so I'm not sure why the hate. |
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Date: October 26th, 2019 10:21 AM Author: Hyperventilating twinkling uncleanness Gooks are robots without souls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39029493) |
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Date: October 27th, 2019 7:54 AM Author: light massive garrison Uhm except the gooks aren't the ones running biglaw firms or acting as asshole GC clients who demand perfection. If you want to blame a class of people, I think you can do better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39032693) |
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Date: October 27th, 2019 8:36 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39032745) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 7:56 AM Author: Silver effete azn sound barrier the form of this post is exactly like the sup brady email and has lots of the same gooky mannerisms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041057) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 8:11 AM Author: Zippy Dull Theatre Jew Rofl do you have a soul? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041095) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 4:44 PM Author: Boyish Multi-billionaire Indirect Expression you yourself in this thread talked about how biglaw requires high IQ and you constantly talk without any irony about the complexity of the job. Anybody who questions you about the rigors of biglaw is obviously a reed smith associate. You’re not just doing the job for the money, you’re clearly also drinking the kool aid about the importance of your job.
I don’t hate on biglaw, I just hate on those who inevitably last in biglaw and make it essentially intolerable for anybody normal to survive. My plan was never to stay in biglaw precisely because it would be fundamentally incompatible with having a normal family life. Any nothing I learned in biglaw had any relevance to what I do now (and thank god for that since I was doing securities shitttigation). |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:01 AM Author: light massive garrison I think my job is tough and requires a lot of sacrifices. I think if you ended up at Reed Smith, you just don't have what it takes in terms of IQ or work ethic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39045860) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:46 AM Author: adventurous federal kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041777) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 9:13 AM Author: chartreuse sex offender french chef You aren't a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39025013) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 6:39 AM Author: Beta razzmatazz plaza place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024775) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 6:53 AM Author: White quadroon "family" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024792) |
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Date: October 25th, 2019 7:05 AM Author: Beta razzmatazz plaza place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39024802) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 8:55 AM Author: amber useless doctorate becky Think this thread proves that biglaw itself isn't the hard part, it's dealing with psychopaths like devry that don't get out and make everyone else miserable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041196) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:08 AM Author: Coral shrine ape Ding ding ding
Obviously it's nothing like that on a day to day basis or no one would do it. He acts like you are permanently getting 2-3 hours of sleep a night and you have one 15 period at the end of the day when you can take a shit and eat your one meal per day. What a complete daggot |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:09 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap Might be like that at wachtell or skadden TBF. But yes normal biglaw nah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041631) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:11 AM Author: Coral shrine ape Highly doubtful it's like that on a day to day basis anywhere, because the rational thing to do would go to lower ranked firm where you'd make 75% of that yet live 100% better. Hes just a narcissist who needs to oversell everything to us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041644) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:15 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap You can make insane money at wachtell, I assume that comes with working longer hours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041663) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:16 AM Author: Coral shrine ape OP does not work at Wachtell and no one who posts here does (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041667) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:18 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap Lol whatever you say bro ;) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041675) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:20 AM Author: Coral shrine ape Look I know you are Devrys alt, you just don't work there, sorry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041679) |
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Date: November 1st, 2019 2:28 AM Author: light massive garrison That's not my alt, and I don't work at Wachtell. I've always been at one V10 or another. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39056212) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:03 AM Author: light massive garrison Plenty of biglaw lawyers have had 2-3 month stretches where they are billing 300 hours a month for each of those months in succession.
Do the math and try to figure out what 300 hours in one month feels like (it's roughly 75 hours billed a week). Now imagine doing that 4 weeks in a row, times 3.
When it's bad, it's really bad. But when it's good, it's really good. See the trend there? Unpredictability, which also really adds to the stress. |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:09 AM Author: lemon pocket flask I’ve said this time and again. The “stress” isn’t from the actual work, it’s from the uncertainty about having a job in 6-12 months. This increases exponentially the more senior you get, assuming you don’t have an iron-clad book of business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39041634) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 5:00 PM Author: Indecent Sick Incel Cruise Ship dechert axes first years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39043227) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 9:49 PM Author: lemon pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39044602) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:01 PM Author: amber useless doctorate becky up or out is a disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39044704) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:34 AM Author: light massive garrison Up or out is necessary - otherwise most people, being people, will tend to take it easy and not work hard.
You need to constantly create incentives in this job because it sucks so bad. Sort of like how if we removed exams from school, nobody but the biggest of the nerds would study at all. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 9:11 AM Author: unholy mad-dog skullcap That’s fine, boomers will make less money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39046350) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 10:51 AM Author: Silver effete azn sound barrier This is fucking retarded. Put a few years in and you can just bounce from firm to firm like a journeyman MLB reliever. What a dumb fucking post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39046750) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 10:53 AM Author: Concupiscible self-centered round eye rigor Lol, ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39046773) |
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Date: November 1st, 2019 3:56 AM Author: sooty background story stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39056295) |
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Date: November 1st, 2019 2:41 AM Author: Copper goal in life orchestra pit You are not working hard enough unless you have a heart attack or stroke by 40. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39056228) |
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Date: December 18th, 2019 7:41 PM Author: internet-worthy irradiated lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4369372&forum_id=2#39286970) |