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sent, will let you all know what happens
Talking den
  06/22/06
I'm not sure you need the "here are the possible reason...
Cerise histrionic forum
  06/22/06
"Also, it's "3Ls" not "3L's.""...
Heady brilliant newt
  06/22/06
i thought that rule was obsolete. maybe i'm wrong.
Cerise histrionic forum
  06/22/06
This is far from the norm. If you're so sure about this, pl...
mentally impaired abode hominid
  06/22/06
whoa whoa whoa one of us is coming across as insecure ...
Heady brilliant newt
  06/22/06
Honestly I just like getting a rise out of you. I have high...
mentally impaired abode hominid
  06/22/06
i am pretty confident in what i said about the CMS. i recall...
Heady brilliant newt
  06/22/06
"Generally you put an apostrophe when pluralizing acron...
magenta brunch azn
  06/23/06
otherwise this looks solid. making the dean of students awar...
Cerise histrionic forum
  06/22/06
I'd leave out the "possible reasons."
Alcoholic Spot Jewess
  06/22/06
great minds think alike.
Cerise histrionic forum
  06/22/06
Maybe just great editors.
Alcoholic Spot Jewess
  06/22/06
Me too, but I like the rest. I think you should send it, I t...
Hideous Chrome Stead
  06/22/06
yeah, I think you should send it as well.
Cerise histrionic forum
  06/22/06
One time I wrote a letter to the student paper at Duke compl...
Alcoholic Spot Jewess
  06/22/06
holy shit, you changed the world!
Heady brilliant newt
  06/22/06
Hi everyone. I thought you should know that the registrar's ...
Rough-skinned Generalized Bond Parlor
  06/22/06
TTT Your school should have an assistant registrar who ca...
crimson juggernaut institution
  06/22/06
What happened to our old friend, john d at hls!? Why can't h...
Talking den
  06/22/06
Was this the asian lady who answers the phones? She knows n...
Sable university
  06/23/06
did you send this?
Cerise histrionic forum
  06/22/06
yes i did
Talking den
  06/22/06
good work. let us know if you hear anything back.
Cerise histrionic forum
  06/22/06
reply posted below
Talking den
  06/22/06
Dear The Harvard Law School Students: Please kindly STFU....
self-absorbed pontificating menage goal in life
  06/22/06
well, at least the dean of students office was nice and quic...
Talking den
  06/22/06
Well, at least it is a start. I do think that if a seriou...
Sable university
  06/23/06
so apparently data entry is a much more complicated process ...
Slate Mind-boggling Filthpig
  06/22/06
I just graduated this year, and am an admittedly grade obses...
Big-titted titillating stain sound barrier
  06/23/06
Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:24 PM Author: andrew (J.J. Redick's...
Jet gas station
  06/23/06
Brilliant.
Sable university
  06/23/06
follow-up reply
Talking den
  06/23/06
That might be the dumbest explaination I have ever seen. Th...
Sable university
  06/23/06
At least it's somewhat of an explanation. It's much better ...
Talking den
  06/23/06
True. They do seem like they care, but then again it is the...
Sable university
  06/23/06
"The stigma argument makes no sense at all." Ne...
Passionate shivering hunting ground
  06/23/06
" The most positive effect is that it does create press...
Sable university
  06/24/06
This is exactly the sort of self-importance that keeps you a...
Out-of-control resort useless brakes
  06/23/06
Credited. Sometimes HLS students can be just bizarre.
Passionate shivering hunting ground
  06/23/06


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Date: June 22nd, 2006 12:34 PM
Author: Talking den

sent, will let you all know what happens

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6044531)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 12:39 PM
Author: Cerise histrionic forum

I'm not sure you need the "here are the possible reasons" part. I think the only message that you need to get across is: grades were due last friday, they're not up yet, the registrar's office won't give us any information at all, and this is unfair to students.

Also, it's "3Ls" not "3L's."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6044572)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 2:52 PM
Author: Heady brilliant newt

"Also, it's "3Ls" not "3L's.""

Why? Generally you put an apostrophe when pluralizing acronyms and no apostrophe when pluralizing numbers: hence, the SOB's from the 1800s. 1L, 2L, and 3L are a mixed case, but if anything the logic argues in favor of the apostrophe, since there is the potential for confusion if the "s" is read to attach to the "L."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6045667)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 3:01 PM
Author: Cerise histrionic forum

i thought that rule was obsolete. maybe i'm wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6045728)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:15 PM
Author: mentally impaired abode hominid

This is far from the norm. If you're so sure about this, please make a citation, thanks.

PS - Why do you have your head in all the HLS threads? Oh yeah, envy. Continue self-pwnage, you dear old inferiority-complex laden SLS douche, you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046350)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:19 PM
Author: Heady brilliant newt

whoa whoa whoa

one of us is coming across as insecure

and it is not me.

i am in the HLS threads because they are active on xoxo. i am also in the CLS threads, the NYU threads, and recently, the GULC PT thread for the same reason. it is that simple. HLS is a very good school, and you should be proud to go there. calm down. it is behavior like this that gives HLS its reputation of being filled with gunner douchebags.

i am pretty sure about the general rule, of SOB's versus 1800s. i think it is in the chicago manual of style. since i am not in my law school library and since i do not own a copy and since it is not available online that i know of, and since i would be too fucking lazy even if the above were not true, i cannot provide a more precise citation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046385)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:24 PM
Author: mentally impaired abode hominid

Honestly I just like getting a rise out of you. I have high regard for SLS but you're obviously bothered by how often people rip on it.

Also, I believe the Chicago MoS allows for an apostrophe-s pluralization when the acronym contains internal punctuation (”two Ph.D.’s”) or ends in an S (”two SOS’s”), and possibly for single-letters (”straight A’s”), but not for all acronyms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046441)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:31 PM
Author: Heady brilliant newt

i am pretty confident in what i said about the CMS. i recall looking it up during the law review candidate exercise a few weeks ago.

"Honestly I just like getting a rise out of you. I have high regard for SLS but you're obviously bothered by how often people rip on it."

likewise, 100%. i that thread where we compare OCI stats between the two schools amuses me because it bothers HLS posters so deeply.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046500)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 1:24 AM
Author: magenta brunch azn

"Generally you put an apostrophe when pluralizing acronyms and no apostrophe when pluralizing numbers"

Depends on the style manual. No apostrophe is the more modern trend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6050583)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 12:42 PM
Author: Cerise histrionic forum

otherwise this looks solid. making the dean of students aware of the problem is good; it could eventually lead to change even if she can't resolve this particular situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6044593)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 12:35 PM
Author: Alcoholic Spot Jewess

I'd leave out the "possible reasons."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6044537)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 12:40 PM
Author: Cerise histrionic forum

great minds think alike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6044577)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:23 PM
Author: Alcoholic Spot Jewess

Maybe just great editors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046427)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 12:42 PM
Author: Hideous Chrome Stead

Me too, but I like the rest. I think you should send it, I think Cosgrove takes stuff pretty seriously, or at least won't think you're a douche.

Last year I wrote the Dean of Students about how the ATM was dirty and sticky and smelled like pee, wondering if they would think I was annoying, and they referred me to facilities, cleaned it up within 2 days, and thanked me like I was a war hero. It was pretty funny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6044599)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 12:46 PM
Author: Cerise histrionic forum

yeah, I think you should send it as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6044620)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:24 PM
Author: Alcoholic Spot Jewess

One time I wrote a letter to the student paper at Duke complaining about giant lakes that formed because of poor drainage. Within a week, the two worst ones that I mentioned were cleaned up. I was pretty damn proud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046432)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:32 PM
Author: Heady brilliant newt

holy shit, you changed the world!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046507)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 12:55 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Generalized Bond Parlor

Hi everyone. I thought you should know that the registrar's office seems to be telling misleading/conflicting stories. One friend of mine called and was told that the reason grades were not available is that profs had demanded an extension. I just called, just now, and was told the reason they were not available is that the registrar, steve kane, is out of town until next week. WE BOTH TALKED TO THE SAME PERSON. What the heck is up with that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6044718)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:24 PM
Author: crimson juggernaut institution

TTT

Your school should have an assistant registrar who can enter the grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046439)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:31 PM
Author: Talking den

What happened to our old friend, john d at hls!? Why can't he save us and get these grades up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046498)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 10:53 AM
Author: Sable university

Was this the asian lady who answers the phones? She knows nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6052089)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 3:04 PM
Author: Cerise histrionic forum

did you send this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6045754)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 3:06 PM
Author: Talking den

yes i did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6045767)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 3:08 PM
Author: Cerise histrionic forum

good work. let us know if you hear anything back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6045785)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 5:13 PM
Author: Talking den

reply posted below

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046794)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:34 PM
Author: self-absorbed pontificating menage goal in life

Dear The Harvard Law School Students:

Please kindly STFU.

Very truly yours,

The California Bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046520)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:59 PM
Author: Talking den

well, at least the dean of students office was nice and quick to respond

Hello:

I am very sorry about this. Our office has learned that grades should be

available next week, and that the Registrar's Office will be emailing all

students to notify everyone when the grades are posted. Again, I am sorry and

am not aware at this point of what has caused the delay.

I do apologize for the frustration that this has caused you. We will make sure

to pass on your concerns to the Registrar's Office. I will let you know if

additional information about this becomes available to us.

Best,

Dean of Students Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046688)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 10:56 AM
Author: Sable university

Well, at least it is a start.

I do think that if a serious letter writing campaign occured it would have an effect. If we could figure out when ALL the other T14 lawschools released grades, and show how HLS is the slowest by a good 2 weeks, that would help a lot.

Also, the arbitrary policy of not releasing grades until they are all in is indefensible. If a prof doesn't want to turn in grades for 2 months, fine. But this shouldn't prevent us from seeing our other grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6052100)





Date: June 22nd, 2006 10:25 PM
Author: Slate Mind-boggling Filthpig

so apparently data entry is a much more complicated process than I've been led to believe it is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6049159)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 1:21 AM
Author: Big-titted titillating stain sound barrier

I just graduated this year, and am an admittedly grade obsessed person. After going through 6 semesters of waiting for grades, I can say that predictions about when grades are going to come out are generally wrong (i.e., usually predict an earlier date than what ultimately happens). The registrar's office totally does not have its shit together and always takes so long to process grades. At most places, you get your grades for each class as soon as they are processed; at HLS, we didn't even have electronic grades until like 2 years ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6050568)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 6:10 AM
Author: Jet gas station

Date: June 22nd, 2006 4:24 PM

Author: andrew (J.J. Redick's designated driver)

One time I wrote a letter to the student paper at Duke complaining about giant lakes that formed because of poor drainage. Within a week, the two worst ones that I mentioned were cleaned up. I was pretty damn proud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6046432)

-----

Let's re-live your greatness:

http://www.dukechronicle.com/

Poor drainage system results in campus’ soggy mess

Andrew Furlow

Posted: 1/28/02

It's a common sight around Duke's campus after a stormy day or two: Students leaping, sidestepping or just sloshing through the massive puddles that form on sidewalks, on driveways, in the middle of quads--in short, just about everywhere. From the Blackwell Dormitory arch to the head of the Bryan Center walkway, the more gigantic of these lakes are enough to stop a student in his tracks, followed by a daring and precarious lunge to continue on his way. And since this water has nowhere to go, it either remains there until a sunny day comes to dry it up or soaks into the surrounding ground, effectively turning quads into mud holes. Duke's rain drainage is, quite simply, the worst I have ever seen. Clothes get muddy, shoes get soggy, but most of all, it's just plain inconvenient. At an institution like Duke where the quality of just about everything else is consistently high, we should have a drainage system that doesn't leave students and staff wading across campus.

Andrew Furlow

Trinity '05



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6051529)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 10:56 AM
Author: Sable university

Brilliant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6052103)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 9:43 PM
Author: Talking den
Subject: follow-up reply

I actually appreciate this a lot, even though it does nothing for us this semester.

Hi-

I know that Kristen already looked into this and responded but, given the seriousness of the concern, I wanted to chime in as well. Steve Kane is away at a conference so I couldn't speak to him live but will do so next week. I have already emailed him about the concern (without attribution). I looked on the site and didn't see any information about a grade release date so I am not certain about the planned release date. I do know that there could be a number of contributing factors but I am afraid to speculate without speaking with him first.

As for the simultaneous release, I can tell you a bit about this process since I used to run the registrar's office at Chicago. Back when I was a student there, they released grades as soon as they came in, one by one. Students complained that it was pure torture. It caused a few problems:

1. stress was up every day since you never knew when a grade might come in

2. every grade's significance was exaggerated (if you get an A , an A- and a B on the same day, you feel differently than if you just get the B all alone.

3. the grade deadline meant nothing to the faculty since missing the deadline was meaningless - you got some grades early and some grades late.

So after rounds of discussion, it was decided that there would be one release date on a date certain. The most positive effect is that it does create pressure to make the deadline because then you are either on or off the grade report and the stigma of being off is much higher. It also has the benefit of giving students a sense of when to expect grades and helps minimize the import of any one grade.

That was the plan and worked until the University system came into being. That system shows grades as added but only shows letter grades which is less meaningful at Chicago where grades are on a numeric scale. It gives you some sense of calm but a 174-179 is a B and students would tell you that a 174 is viewed the way a B- is viewed here and a 179 is viewed as an A- so knowing you have a B at Chicago doesn't tell you much.

It may be that you still prefer the system of a release of grades seriatum but I did want to offer the other view.

The biggest issue to me is that the release date was not clear so I will talk to the registrar about making that date clear in advance going forward and, if there was an unexpected delay, I will ask him to explain that so you know what happened. I remember the stress of waiting for grades and don't want to wish that on anyone so we will do what we can on this end to get this information to you as soon as possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6056887)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 11:17 PM
Author: Sable university

That might be the dumbest explaination I have ever seen. This is why no other school does it this way. The stigma argument makes no sense at all.

It might make sense if the date certain release date was really early. But it isn't. basically, you just wait until the bitter end.

Also, the problem right now isn't that we are waiting for more grades. It's that the registrar hasn't felt like releasing them yet because Steve Kane is at a conference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6057587)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 11:46 PM
Author: Talking den

At least it's somewhat of an explanation. It's much better than the registrar's ridiculousness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6057791)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 11:55 PM
Author: Sable university

True. They do seem like they care, but then again it is their job to pretend that they care. Nothing will be done about it, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6057879)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 11:56 PM
Author: Passionate shivering hunting ground

"The stigma argument makes no sense at all."

Neither do you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6057887)





Date: June 24th, 2006 2:15 AM
Author: Sable university

" The most positive effect is that it does create pressure to make the deadline because then you are either on or off the grade report and the stigma of being off is much higher. "

This is bullshit.

HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6058751)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 11:25 PM
Author: Out-of-control resort useless brakes

This is exactly the sort of self-importance that keeps you a virgin. What's even sadder is the administration is indulging your whining.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6057636)





Date: June 23rd, 2006 11:55 PM
Author: Passionate shivering hunting ground

Credited. Sometimes HLS students can be just bizarre.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=439910&forum_id=2#6057880)