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XO pos: "Shitlibs are dogmatic and irrational. Btw love Christianity" (DTP)
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:16 AM Author: electric tantric stage love that a central faction in the attack against shitlibs comes from a group of beloved "christmos", and that instead of seeing the inherent dangers of ceding control and power from a loosely held pseudo-religion to an actual organized total religion, the vast majority of posters (who are filthy heathens, btw, larping as fans of devout religion) not only seem to accept and condone such a transfer, but they feel a sort of perverse, contrarian, self-flagellating *glee* in prostrating themselves before the might of christianity as society's savior and solution. simply to "stick it to" the godless shitlibs they reflexively despise. really shows how pathetic, weak, stupid, and emotional most XO posters are - really in fact worse than shitlibs, much worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665581) |
Date: July 27th, 2020 9:17 AM Author: Stimulating Tanning Salon wow that's a hot take! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665584) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:19 AM Author: electric tantric stage ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665593) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:17 AM Author: vivacious claret striped hyena forum gbtr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665587) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:22 AM Author: electric tantric stage sorry it's true
xo posters whining about the moral oppression of stupid shitlibs ("just got fired for speaking the truth about black criminal statistics") would, in an alternative universe, be posting on an anonymous msg board "just got excommunicated for being gay" |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:28 AM Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665629) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:42 AM Author: flatulent rebellious casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665680) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:50 AM Author: electric tantric stage see i was literally the only poster on this board to point out that Charles was nothing more than a bitter incel with a laughable veneer of morality holding him back from saying the disgusting things he would frequently blank-bump. and yet that false veneer, when steeped in *christianity*, was enough to garner the universal respect, worship, and praise of the entire board. really sad.
i don't pay attention to these posters as a class, they're utterly boring, aggressively conventional (that's the point), and uninteresting. but this recent interaction with some of them due to an offhanded comment i made in another thread really shows how smug, self-serving, stupid, and dangerous they are, particularly in light of their present-day weakness. there is a seething rage with heterodoxy writ large in their comments. even supposedly brilliant (lol) board "luminaries" like beckersted would gladly string you up for charges of heresy because it accords with their bible-thumping beliefs. it's not a stretch at all to imagine this.
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592081&forum_id=2#40665529
LOL at handing over the keys of society from a disorganized bunch of punks like antifa and shitlibs to the historical blight of christanity.
surely posters as fair, magnanimous, and open-minded as *charles* and *beckersted* are going to countenance your heterodox views when they and their apparatus have their boots on your neck. the average xo poster is simply a juvenile idiot. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:06 AM Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665804) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:32 AM Author: electric tantric stage thanks for the compliment, but stuff like this genuinely surprises me. it was so stunningly obvious what charles was, and the nature of what was going on here, that almost the entire time i didn't feel it was necessary to put it into words.
i immediately recognized charles for what he was: incel recognizes incel. but more than that, i could obviously see the dangerous strain of grievance combined with aggressive normativity which is the calling card of violent moralizing goose-steppers all throughout history.
charles is not the sort of incel who simply wallows in his misery. he is the sort of incel who assiduously projects his problems outward and takes corresponding action. his superficial adherence to some "morals" and subsequent restraint he showed from outting himself explicitly as an incel, is an indicator of what makes him so dangerous. but 99% of xo posters apparently looked at it and regarded it the opposite way. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:03 PM Author: walnut shaky range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666769) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 8:10 PM Author: Comical office Lol at getting lectured by a guy who takes it in the ass from strange men and beats up children (family members). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40669044) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 8:57 PM Author: electric tantric stage facts are facts. sorry xo retards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40669308) |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:24 AM Author: Comical office I said three facts:
1) you get fucked in the ass by strange men;
2) you beat up your infant nephew;
3) you are trying to lecture me. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:02 AM Author: titillating mentally impaired brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666086) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:11 AM Author: Godawful scourge upon the earth hospital and above all Asian
lol |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:16 AM Author: Odious mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666133) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:34 AM Author: navy diverse piazza people who are hurt phrases no one has ever used before (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666250) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:14 PM Author: Soul-stirring French Old Irish Cottage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40670011) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:40 AM Author: Sticky lemon box office legal warrant empirically, christianity has been a gentle giant for HUNDREDS of years. it is not going to go all allah akbar on us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665671) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:42 AM Author: navy diverse piazza people who are hurt we'd be better off if it went straight allah akbar (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665679) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:56 AM Author: electric tantric stage 50 years ago, half this board would be estranged from their families for being gay. many would be driven to suicide or drug abuse. this would have been, you cannot deny, at least in large part due to christianity. why won't the queer and proud posters of this gay message board acknowledge this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665756) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:18 PM Author: navy diverse piazza people who are hurt yep way more suicide and drug use 50 years ago than today
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:23 PM Author: electric tantric stage suicide is largely flat from 1980 to today:
i don't know how you would quantify drug use, but feel free to bring up the numbers. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:57 PM Author: navy diverse piazza people who are hurt https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates cmon man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40670149) |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:05 AM Author: electric tantric stage that's 1999-2018. not the time frame we're talking about. in any case, i'm well aware of the recent opioid epidemic.
in the post you were responding to, i said "they would resort to drugs because of being ostracized for being gay". presumably that happens less frequently today, does it not? if so, then my overall point is true, so not sure what your issue is. are you saying gays do not have it better today? |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:24 PM Author: electric tantric stage this one goes back to 1950 (for suicide)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/ |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:59 PM Author: navy diverse piazza people who are hurt suicide rate for under 75 is way up
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Crude_US_suicide_rate_by_age_1981-2016.png |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:08 AM Author: electric tantric stage uhhh.. no?
ages 15-24 peaked in the early 90s ages 25-44 is slightly up compared to 1980
but what's your overall point - that overall deaths by suicide indicate conditions today are worse than in 1970 for gay men? |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:43 AM Author: concupiscible insecure church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665686) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:50 AM Author: razzmatazz amber menage multi-billionaire Protip: religions are supposed to be dogmatic and at least somewhat irrational. That's their role in society. Political viewpoints are not supposed to be. You don't want Communism for the exact same reason you don't want a theocracy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665717) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:10 AM Author: electric tantric stage separation of church and state is a myth. 50 years ago (not to mention 100 years ago), half of this board would be harassed, beaten, estranged, and implicitly sanctioned for being gay, the other half would be similarly for being a minority.
if shitliberalism has dislodged some of the primacy of religion, then that's a good thing. at least the displacement that's occurred from 50 years ago to now, has been unquestionably good. now you can argue about the specifics and about the future need to maintain balance, but that's a more nuanced and moderated discussion than the ones had here, which 99% are about the need to return to christianity full-force by a bunch of reflexively juvenile idiots who are entirely unaware of the tremendous *good* that shitlibs have done for them by precisely taking power *away* from the christian goose-steppers like charles and beckersted who would have previously oppressed them. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:25 AM Author: concupiscible insecure church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665907) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:41 AM Author: electric tantric stage ty for your honesty. i have nothing further to add. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665986) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:36 AM Author: razzmatazz amber menage multi-billionaire All that I get from reading your drivel is that mass immigration is a disaster for any country. You simply can't integrate people like you into a well established society in huge numbers without it destroying the country. 50 years ago, the notion that shitlibism is preferable as a mass religion than Christianity would be vehemently denounced by the overwhelming majority of the country. And that was a good thing. Their only mistake was not being the oppressors that you denounce them for being.
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:41 AM Author: electric tantric stage ty for your honesty. i have nothing further to add. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665987) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:49 AM Author: razzmatazz amber menage multi-billionaire One more thing - most non-western countries actively protect their cultures from subversion from non-natives. If you show up to China and start preaching something the government hates ("you need western democracy"), you will be arrested. In India, a mob will form and throw you out. Try to be a Christian preacher in a Muslim country or Israel. You'll be thrown out or worse. Only the US and the West are we stupid enough to invite people that hate our traditions, history and culture to live among us and destroy us. And the people we denounce are the people that try to prevent that. Once that destruction happens, I think the remaining societies will understand why this was a historical aberration that shouldn't be repeated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666030) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:57 AM Author: electric tantric stage yes, the US is unique in the world (and perhaps in history) for its tolerance of heterodox views. tell us something that we didn't already know, moron. that's intentional and civics 101 you uneducated, cretinous dolt.
it has led to the unique dominance of US culture and institutions, which encompasses free media (admittedly getting pozzed but still better than anywhere in the world), universities (admittedly getting pozzed but still better than anywhere in the world), and entrepreneurial mindset (silicon valley and nyc, literally the crown jewels of the modern age). if you are so stupid as to not understand this, it is honestly a waste of time talking to you as a reddit 8th grader would have more "insight" into the world than you do.
you "people" (and i mean you as a broad psychological class) are a constant blight on the human race, but more ironically than that, you are in a very deep sense un-American. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:59 AM Author: Low-t set shitlib "America is still relatively good in spite of tribal subversives, therefore tribal subversives are a good thing!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666074) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:02 AM Author: electric tantric stage lol go back to bible class. people like you should not be made to feel "important" in this world other than as sanctimonious tattletales and busy hands. an unfortunate evolutionary defect in the modern world, and thus your fear is palpably rising. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666087) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:03 AM Author: Low-t set shitlib GBTC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666091) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:05 AM Author: electric tantric stage lol rekt. i can feel the steam pouring out of your ears. bet you've never been spoken to like that since you came to XO-stormfront. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666097) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:10 AM Author: Low-t set shitlib Ljl at this projecting bug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666116) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:09 AM Author: Irradiated bearded library Why don't you try to respond mr ad hominem master man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666114) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:13 AM Author: electric tantric stage not sure what there is to respond to. that we have veered too far in embracing diversity/heterodox views? hmm maybe. i'm inclined to believe so. but his rabid ramblings, vague denouncements, and selective interpretation of "evidence" have been uniformly retarded and leaves zero room for any actual intelligent discussion. i will not be the one to initiate such a discussion when he came ITT with his retarded dreck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666125) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:06 AM Author: razzmatazz amber menage multi-billionaire The tolerance worked when the US was basically made up of European, Christian immigrants. The population was homogeneous enough that there were common understandings on the basics of life, philosophy, etc. Differences were limited to shit like Irish vs. English vs. Italian vs. Hungarian, Catholic vs. Protestant, etc. People like you were extremely rare, so it worked. Now it is a bunch of people that have nothing in common so people can earnestly say that shitlibism over Christianity is an improvement.
The US is clearly in its twilight as an empire. It this point we can already start discussing the cause of the decline. You're a prime example of it. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:23 AM Author: electric tantric stage maybe, maybe not. unlike most xo posters, i don't presume to be omniscient. here are some things we do know though.
what do know is that "oh we have crossed the line now and are degenerating as a country" was a sentiment that was strongly felt in every previous point in this country's history. but it was not true then. is it true now? maybe. needs to be put into context though.
what we do know is that the leading thinkers and doers in this country have often felt stifled by christianity and conformity. whether it's ultimately needed and irreplaceable for overall society is an open question. but should be acknowledged that much of the progress in this country, even in many centuries past, was made in spite of and not because of christianity et al.
what we do know is that the acceptance of diversity and embracing of heterodox views has risen in lockstop with the increasing complexity of the modern, technological, globalized world. as such, there is a good explanation for why it came to be, and there are plenty of good explanations for why it is sustainable even if you don't believe it was in the past. not going to preach one or another since i don't really have so strong views on these topics, just again placing things into simple context because 90 IQ xo posters are irritating |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:33 AM Author: razzmatazz amber menage multi-billionaire "what do know is that "oh we have crossed the line now and are degenerating as a country" was a sentiment that was strongly felt in every previous point in this country's history. but it was not true then."
Let me stop you right there, hoss. No, we've clearly degenerated over time. They were right. This didn't just start - this has been ongoing.
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:08 AM Author: Irradiated bearded library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666108) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:50 AM Author: Low-t set shitlib Wtf I love nihilism now! Thanks for shedding some light on us benighted poasters, Mr. Bug! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665719) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:51 AM Author: razzmatazz amber menage multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665730) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:54 AM Author: Sticky lemon box office legal warrant can u rephrase in a nonracist way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665745) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:55 AM Author: Low-t set shitlib What does "nonracist" mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665752) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:03 AM Author: razzmatazz amber menage multi-billionaire "Bashing races/cultures is wrong!" "tee hee, bashing people's deeply held faiths is totally cool, lol @ those dumb Christmos! Also, fuck whitey." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665792) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 10:32 AM Author: Cream naked mood White western Christian countries have been the most technologically innovative and the most productive on earth for many hundreds of years. No other civilization ever has come close to this level of prosperity and innovation. To think either the white or the Christian part can change and have this continue, a very heavy burden of proof is on you , not the people you mock in this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40665941) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:30 AM Author: electric tantric stage on the contrary, no modern 21st century power is christian (or any sort of religious for that matter). not a single one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666225) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:13 PM Author: Cream naked mood Sure the leaders in the west are secular, but the majority population is still white and Christian and all these countries defined themselves as Christian up through the 1960s when they were already, by far, the best countries in the world. What you have witnessed during your lifetime is the cannibalization of these countries by the global capitalist elite - getting off the gold standard, massive monetary printing, stuffing themselves with nonintegrating immigrants, massive debt levels - that for some odd reason you think is sustainable, while I think GC is a late-stage parasite and the host is basically close to already dead
Btw Putin has a close and friendly relationship with the Russian Orthodox Church , and Orban is religious as is Bolsonaro |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:32 PM Author: electric tantric stage why are you bringing Putin into this while (deliberately?) ignoring all of the Asian countries?
your interpretation of things is valid, but your reasons given are flimsy. gold standard, monetary printing, and high debt don't count as multiple things: they are part of the same thing, and i don't see what they have to do with white people or christianity. moreover, you are presuming that they are fraudulent or will lead to collapse. i would suggest that this is an ignorant presumption. i would suggest there is reason to instead think of them as an experiment in macroeconomics/finance that is more interesting, innovative, and impactful than almost anything else going on in the world today. they are a new form of technology, not an old form of fraud and deceit. i believe this is where you're getting your doomsday pessimism from. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 3:22 PM Author: Cream naked mood you'll be happy to hear that i think China is the future world leader, but i'm not so happy about it. its a bug country and there's no innovation, they just steal from others. they'll maintain cultural integrity because they aren't importing in hordes of hostile invaders like the west is, but anyway very few people want to move there because the QOL is shit and there are no individual rights. its the magic combination of whites + christians that can = innovation, prosperity and individual rights
"an experiment in macroeconomics/finance" = the burden of proof is then on you to prove endless monetary printing is sustainable, not on me to prove it isn't
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Date: July 27th, 2020 3:32 PM Author: electric tantric stage have you considered that China's lack of innovation and freedom (its 'bug' society) goes hand in hand with its lack of shitlibs? and that if it were to promote a culture of innovation and freedom, shitliberalism will begin to take root just like it has in 100% of western white countries that have attempted to simultaneously promote innovation and freedom?
you claim that white christian countries are the only ones that can be prosperous and free. and yet, there are no examples of white christian countries that are prosperous and free in the present day. the correlation is very much inverse. you then point to the western world of the 1950s or 1800s. yet nobody would consider the 1800s west to be anywhere close to being free or dynamic enough to remain a powerhouse in the 21st century. and the 1950s west was already heavily secular at the top, and secularizing everywhere else throughout, and you were merely seeing a temporary phantom sustained by cultural inertia in the halcyon days after WWII. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 3:47 PM Author: Cream naked mood your first question is a good point and i have considered it, it would be very depressing if innovation must go hand in hand with shitliberalism
re: your second paragraph, it may be that technological innovation goes hand in hand with loss of freedom. its also a depressing possibility |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 3:54 PM Author: electric tantric stage there are very benign reasons for why innovation should go hand in hand with shitliberalism: the most obvious one is female enfranchisement.
as for freedom, you are changing the topic. i might agree that *technology* leads to a loss of freedom. but i don't agree that a decline in christianity does. even for a white male who loathes shitlibs, society today is much freer than it was under christianity. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 6:59 PM Author: Cream naked mood "there are very benign reasons for why innovation should go hand in hand with shitliberalism: the most obvious one is female enfranchisement."
this doesn't make any sense at all as 99.999999% of innovations are done by men
"even for a white male who loathes shitlibs, society today is much freer than it was under christianity."
depends how you define freedom i guess. you're spied on 24/7, every move watched today. what you can say without losing your job is severely limited and getting smaller every day. but yeah if you want to fuck a guy in the ass you have much more "freedom" today |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:10 PM Author: electric tantric stage while it's true that the vast majority of 160 IQ geniuses are men, innovation is not simply scientific / technological breakthroughs in isolation. innovation is also the 120 IQ achievements in efficiency and organization that enable and magnify the impact of those breakthroughs, and women undeniably play an enormous role in all of this.
you're once again bringing in technology (spying) which is not the topic of this discussion. and sure cancel culture is stifling and bad. but this has realistically impacted what, 0.01% of the population? furthermore, not being able to get hired in the first place because you're a woman, or gay, or a minority, is far worse. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:38 PM Author: Cream naked mood "innovation is also the 120 IQ achievements in efficiency and organization that enable and magnify the impact of those breakthroughs, and women undeniably play an enormous role in all of this."
lol come on bro. name of some of these women that "enable and magnify the impact of those breakthroughs"
"and sure cancel culture is stifling and bad. but this has realistically impacted what, 0.01% of the population? furthermore, not being able to get hired in the first place because you're a woman, or gay, or a minority, is far worse."
directly impacted a small percent of the population, sure, but the psychological effects of it have terrified and cowed a huge percent of the population into self-censorship or worse (people won't even think the bad thoughts).
why is not being able to get hired for gays or women "far worse? it doesn't seem like you're really trying here |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:54 PM Author: electric tantric stage the 120 IQ'ers are nameless, so i wouldn't be able to name them. or are you disputing the fact that an innovative society depends on having a large class of accountants, lawyers, engineers, lab scientists, professors, writers, etc etc and not just a few geniuses? i also have vague suspicion (not provable, of course) that a society which subjugates women would also have a chilling effect on innovation at large, independent of the direct contributions those women would have made. you can make an analogy with the chilling effect of liberal speech codes, and that would be fair.
2. so let me get this straight - people making a statement about race and potentially getting fired is bad, but people not getting hired in the first place *because of their race* is not as bad? this makes no sense to me. and why do you emphasize the psychological effects of people "cowed" from making statements about race that would impact their jobs in the current period, but discount the psychological effects of people cowed from *expressing their sexual identity* in the past for fear of physical violence? your moral calculus in weighing harms is nonsensical to me. |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:14 AM Author: Cream naked mood the most important thing is getting the technology to get humanity off earth and among the stars. we are a parasitic, immoral species and we are destroying the planet and making every other species go extinct. due to our innate aggression we will go extinct too fighting over dwindling resources
lawyers and accountants are SPS and don't do shit, engineers depending on what they are doing can be 18000
the best odds to get humanity off earth is to have a stable (economically and socially) society that allows the top 0.0001% of white men the ability to innovate. spacex is the best chance humanity has imo . people who put an emphasis on *expressing their sexual identity* are not constructive members of society for the most part and add a level of instability which is counterproductive to the things i care about |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:22 AM Author: electric tantric stage if that's what you're concerned with, then go to silicon valley and ask those top 0.001% men.
i can assure you that they are secular and despise the traditional christian order. they are mostly liberal or libertarian. they are pro-women's rights. they think freedom of speech is critically important and that modern libs have overstepped in recent years. yet no one would want a return to christianity, patriarchy, etc. they would be no friend of yours. |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:35 AM Author: Cream naked mood whether these people who have the opportunity to advance humanity to the stars have an appreciation for the society that put them in that position is unclear to me. most of the people in silicon valley are scum sucking leeches and they're focused on tech like social media that adds 0 to the human experience. you're right that most would think they way you describe, but those aren't the ones i admire
thiel is a christian and an ally (despite being gay). musk will say whatever he has to in order to advance his business interests, although he occasionally lets the badthink mask slip. |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:37 AM Author: electric tantric stage ah i see. we should worship the ubermensch. but only the good ubermensch (the small minority that agree with you). give me a break. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40670295) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 3:39 PM Author: electric tantric stage as for macroeconomics and monetary theory .. you realize there is an entire industry of economists and financiers who study these things and are intimately familiar with the goings-on on a practical level, right?
why do i need to "prove" this to you in an XO thread when it's literally the prevailing mainstream view as the lynchpin of the modern economic engine that has created the world-historical wealth around you?
and it's not just you. it's seemingly 99% of people who can't seem to understand money beyond the level of gold bars and balance sheets. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 3:44 PM Author: Cream naked mood the burden is on you because no fiat currency in the history of the world has sustained itself in the longterm. lol at you relying on braindead western "experts" squaking "this time is different" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40667683) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: electric tantric stage there are reams of free resources that you can access at the click of a button written by far more knowledgeable experts than me. but you don't do this, why? because you aren't seeking for the truth, you're seeking for a nice, neat, easy to understand confirmation of your previously existing views, and an echochamber of birdbrain xo posters to agree with them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40667743) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 7:00 PM Author: Cream naked mood correct, if i see a result happen 1000 times out of 1000, i'm not interested in the latest fad telling me why the 1001st time will be different unless the explanation is extraordinarily persuasive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40668637) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:06 AM Author: Glittery home death wish wow, another fantastically horrible DTP take. thank you for your brilliant "independent analysis" of the world, Wangqing Huo! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666102) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:12 AM Author: Irradiated bearded library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666122) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:20 PM Author: navy diverse piazza people who are hurt hes really fucking stupid and has no idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40670035) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:25 PM Author: electric tantric stage "he has no idea! he's stupid!"
the triggered retard stomped his feet |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:29 AM Author: electric tantric stage wow another thread where i wreck all comers using reddit arguments. a sad indictment of this once prestigious board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666216) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:15 PM Author: awkward organic girlfriend indian lodge I support equality and the nuclear family. At the moment, christiany gets us there and shitlibs dont. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666504) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:40 PM Author: electric tantric stage fair enough on appearances, but the whole point of my thread is that it's a wolf in sheep's clothing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666630) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:41 PM Author: Godawful scourge upon the earth hospital everyone should be forced to lift weights/exercise/gymcel by the state and at gunpoint if need be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666640) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:52 PM Author: electric tantric stage the funniest part about all of this is that you are exactly the sort of degenerate, un-conscientious clown that would get slaughtered in a traditional christian society.
charles and beckersted may be your "friends" in this shitlib online milieu, but your head would be first on their pitchforks as they hum prayers over your tortured screams. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:55 PM Author: Godawful scourge upon the earth hospital nah
if anything people like me thrived more under something like manorialism/feudalism than liberal capitalism because it necessairly demanded a lower threshold of conscientiousness |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:02 PM Author: electric tantric stage no, you would be tortured by the closed bland repetitiveness of it all. don't lie. you are a poster child of shitlib society and global capitalism. you just happen to post here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666766) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:07 PM Author: Godawful scourge upon the earth hospital you're dodging my counterpoint here
anyway that argument is pretty retarded. the idea that anyone would be "tortured" by the blandness in one society and not another is ridiculous. i'm tortured by the blandness of the current society i live in. yeah i also would have been tortured by the blandness of european society in 1100. nobody can effectively compare their current reality to any other one they havent lived in. nobody back then was burned at the stake for complaining about there not being enough mcdoubles or whatever either so i dont even really get what your point is beyond a lazy attempt to imply i agree with you because of my inherent nature or something. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:12 PM Author: electric tantric stage what "counterpoint"?
you are not suited for simple farmwork in a feudal/manorial society for the simple reasons that 1) you are a petulant child and would chafe at having a lord, and 2) you are a 4-chan addled freak who needs to get in his cheap mental stimulations or he'll croak and die. no internet back then buddy. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:14 PM Author: Godawful scourge upon the earth hospital that manorialism/feudalism demands a lower threshold of conscientiousness than liberal capitalism
and correct nobody who is alive today would be fit to live 900 years ago because of how different it would be. in fact many would die. 500 iq insight dude. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:15 PM Author: electric tantric stage don't be a retard. you know what i meant. you would live, but you would suffer for it, more than the vast majority of people would.
your low conscientiousness is actually well subsidized by the abundances afforded by GC. you can get on welfare if you want. you can work a minimally taxing low-class job for $50k and nevertheless have plenty of resources to eat and survive. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:17 PM Author: Godawful scourge upon the earth hospital not really. i think anyone back then would probably be fucked up living in that environment and knowing what 4chan or the internet are. my point is that i would get by as well as i am today i.e. well enough but not as well as im capable of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666854) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:18 PM Author: electric tantric stage you seem MAF that i understand you at a higher degree of resolution than you understand yourself - and i don't really think about you at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666864) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:23 PM Author: Godawful scourge upon the earth hospital you seem embarassingly desperate to prove to yourself youre far more intelligent and insightful than you actually are, but that seems to be the only thing you try to do on here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666897) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:26 PM Author: electric tantric stage i don't claim to be anywhere near the smartest in terms of raw intelligence, but insightfulness well yeah, it appears i am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40666912) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:51 PM Author: Sooty bateful twinkling uncleanness I’m an atheist, but I can understand the value of the Judeao-Christian teachings around personal and social behavior. Christian teachings provide a framework for social coexistence, and represent the collective lessons-learned of our ancestors (from farther back than the founding of Christianity, since Christianity itself was heavily influenced by philosophies such as Stoicism and neo-Platonism). I’m sure I share your opinion that the mystical aspects of the religion are nonsense, that the religion is easily abused, and that many people use the written words of religion as an excuse not to think for themselves. I certainly would never acquiesce to religious rule. However, I do think there is value in the religion, and I think the modern liberal notion that human nature is somehow different today than it was 2000 years ago is extraordinary dumb. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 12:57 PM Author: electric tantric stage don't just look at what it purports to teach. look at what it leads to empirically. do you think there was more virtue in society in the 1950s when racism, sexism, homophobia, etc etc (not even getting into all of the more abstract harms of religion) were dominant, compared to today? today we have what, increased promiscuity and cancellations on twitter?
and my broader point, is that the vanguard extremists - on both sides - pushing these ideologies should be reviled. yes, go ahead, shit on the feminazi shrieking shrews and their fascist enablers. but also, be fair, be honest - have a sober look at charles and beckersted and their proto-fascists with their own harsh brands of prescriptivisms waiting in the wings. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:26 PM Author: Sooty bateful twinkling uncleanness There are a few flaws with your logic. 1). You have defined today’s morality as being immutably “good” and backwards-projected it to past eras. History shows us that today’s morality will evolve into something different. Future generations will think of you and I as having moral failings that seem obvious to them, but you and I have no idea what those will be. It’s not because the world is more moral; it’s because morality changes.
2). We have far more than just “increased promiscuity and cancellations on Twitter.” When viewed holistically, modern day morality has failed to solve most of the things it defines as problems. We still have wars of aggression being fought Iraq/Vietnam/Grenada; our society is still (apparently) rife with misogyny, homophobia, and racism; nearly a fifth of women are on anti-depressants. Even though I generally agree with today’s morality, our belief that the world is a better place now is just a manifestation of confirmation bias, declaring that the pervasiveness of our shared morals is progress rather than any fundamental change in the world. In fact, modern day liberalism has largely failed in fulfilling its greatest promise: providing people with meaningful lives.
3). You can afford to be more tolerant of the Charles/Beckersted wing than the shrieking feminist wing because the shrieking feminist wing looks like it will be imminently implemented. I’m sure in the future the pendulum of power will swing back towards the religious fundamentalists, but until the day comes when they are the threat to my freedoms, I’ll align myself with Beckersteds against the juggernaut of liberal moral outrage. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:58 PM Author: electric tantric stage 1. well, we need some way of making value judgments across time periods, or any discussion about "values" and "morals" is moot. i do think, in some universal sense, that, for example, censoring someone's views on twitter is not as harmful as censoring someone's sexual identity irl. but yeah, otherwise this whole discussion is pointless.
2. not sure why brought up all those things which go against your views (war, racism, sexism, etc). the only thing that supports your view, perhaps, is meaningless and higher rates of diagnosed depression. but even these are all debatable. supposing you are right that the loss of christianity has led to a consequent loss of meaning, then sure this is a problem (which of course must be weighed against the many benefits). SJWs can be viewed as a makeshift effort to fix the problem and instill meaning/a belief system. i don't know how things will play out in this regard in the long-run. it's not obvious that a return to christianity is either desirable or feasible, when viewed as a whole (both the desirable parts, and the undesirable parts).
3. sure, i can agree that charles and beckersted and their ilk are a useful hedge, just feel sickened by the wholehearted fellating of them on here. they are like board icons but at heart, no better than shitlibs - just temporarily not in power. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 3:18 PM Author: Sooty bateful twinkling uncleanness 1). Making a value judgement across time is moot if you cannot acknowledge the mutable nature of morality. I’m guessing that you try to be the best person you can be and adhere to your own moral code. Outside of some core principles (such as murder), I’m more of a moral relativist, so in my judgement, you are (probably) a good person who does the best with the rules and information available to him. The fact that society’s morals will change in the future will not make you a less good person. However, a moral absolutist would argue that progress is a march towards discovering absolute morality. Future generations who use the moral absolutist logic you used above can come to the conclusion that you are, in fact, a bad person. I personally find that line of reasoning to be wrong.
I also think most people define “twitter cancellations” as the online lynch mobs who attempt to ruin the reputations and employability of people whose opinions they disagree with. In a world where a small misstep will send you into an insurmountable economic tailspin, I don’t think the conclusion you came to is as simple as you made it out to be.
2). I can’t really follow exactly what you’re saying here with regard to things against my views, but my point was that the promises of the modern liberal value system (individual merit over tribalism/nepotism, an end to violence, deliverance of economic opportunity to all) have not been fulfilled. There is an underlying paradox in these values. I am a proponent of individual meritocracy, but at the same time, my own incentive for working and being successful is to pass on as much advantage to my own children as possible, which in turn leads to entrenched economic inequality. The modern neoconservative/neoliberal ideology that working creates its own fulfillment doesn’t appear to be correct, judging by how many people in our society are unhappy. The flaw in my own reasoning here is that I have no way of knowing how fulfilled people were in the past, nor can I know the role religion played in their fulfillment. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 5:20 PM Author: electric tantric stage 1. i understand that morality changes over time. and yet, without a stable reference, you can't compare societies. sure "twitter cancellations" is putting it mildly. but the christianity-inspired witchhunts and bigotries of the past were *far* more severe no matter how you want to look at it. it's not even close.
2. your argument is that liberalism hasn't been perfect. well guess what - christianity was far from perfect. but i see a very strong correlation between liberalism and things getting objectively better. i see no such correlation with christianity. (of course this isn't making a causal claim, i never try to.)
you think people weren't unhappy in the days of christianity? nonsense. people on xo are clinically unhappy and glorify the past.
and what is this stuff about christianity being better at promoting individual meritocracy, or not having paradoxes? where do you get this stuff?
the *only* thing i grant you is that christianity did offer a stronger belief system and provided a comprehensive framework for meaning - duh, it's a religion. but that comes with all of the negatives of conformity, suppression, bigotry, etc. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 6:42 PM Author: Sooty bateful twinkling uncleanness 1). You need a common metric, not a stable reference, to compare societies. How that metric is determined is hotly debated, and that debate has been ongoing since at least the time of Classical Athens. Whether that metric be deontological, utilitarian, or some other form of ethics (such as virtue ethics or pragmatism) will never be settled, and certainly won’t be settled on this boart. The rest of your point 1 is whataboutism.
2). My argument is not that liberalism hasn’t been perfect; I’ve made clear above that I generally support our modern values and I view personal liberty and individual meritocracy as cornerstones of a society I support. My argument is that you are unwilling to recognize the extent to which modern liberalism is flawed, most notably its inability to follow through on its core promises.
Happiness is largely a modern notion. Ancient philosophers like Seneca the Elder talked more about satisfaction and fulfillment than happiness. Even Kant dedicated more time towards duty than the pursuit of happiness. That being said, since economists have tried to quantify happiness in the last 20 or so years (and longer among some fringe economists), happiness has decreased, especially in the US.
https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2019/#read
I did not say that Christianity is better at promoting meritocracy, nor did I say that Christianity doesn’t have paradoxes; that is you putting words in my mouth. I stated that meritocracy is fundamental to modern liberalism, but that this conflicts with other other values promoted by liberalism and creates a paradox, since one cannot both support individual meritocracy and accept the outcomes of individual meritocracy in the modern ethical framework.
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:07 PM Author: electric tantric stage 1. you're making this overly academic. all i wanted to say is that the cancel culture of today is still vastly superior to the homophobia, racism, sexism, etc. of the past. it's that simple. i do not want to debate about classical athens and kantian ethics.
2. liberalism is not a single coherent creed, of course you will find contradictory messages within "it." comparing it to christianity, which is an organized religion with central dogma and texts that have been combed over by religious scholars for thousands of years, is misleading and unfair.
if your gripe with liberalism is at the level of finding contradictory messages in the abstract philosophy: stop being so pedantic and look at the material conditions on the ground.
again, the *only* legitimate issue you raise are the reports of unhappiness and meaninglessness in life. yes, that's a fair point. point taken. but placed into context, i am not too concerned. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 11:43 PM Author: Sooty bateful twinkling uncleanness I’m not gonna lie, man. I’m just here to argue. I posted in this thread because I can’t engage in these kinds of arguments with my family whom I’m isolating with. You could make the most reasonable argument there is and I’d pick it apart based upon your rampant logical inconsistencies just for fun. We both improve from this exercise. 1). You argue that modern cancellation is less worse than prior centuries’ equivalents. However, despite arguing above that you need a stable reference to compare moralities (what that reference consists of was left uncovered), you provide no stable reference (or common metric) with which to evaluate your claim. Today’s cancellation culture appears to have greater economic devastation than a great deal of actual criminal activity in the past. Mug shots, for example, didn’t start until the 1840s and weren’t standardized until the 1880s. Back then, a burglar or a thief could merely move to a new part of the city and restart their lives. Today, someone accused of impropriety on Twitter will be forced to bear the accusation for the rest of their lives, no matter how minute the behavior (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tweet-ruined-justine-saccos-life.html).
2). Christianity is obviously not a coherent and unified set of proscriptions and beliefs. There are three major schisms within Christianity(Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants), and the latter two consist of potentially thousands of individual religions within their respective branches. Catholics, though superficially a single, centralized religion, consists of dozens of Orders (Jesuits, Benedictines, Dominicans, etc), each with their own interpretations of the Roman Catholic religious texts (very different than Orthodox texts, btw. Even the commandments are different).
“stop being so pedantic and look at the material conditions on the ground.” This is exactly what I’m trying to get you to do. Take your own advice. |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:15 AM Author: electric tantric stage 1. laughable, simply laughable. the proportion of the population today that have been #canceled is less than 0.001%. meanwhile, in the past, entire racial, gender, and religious groups were cordoned off from entire sections of the economy, resulting in vast economic inefficiencies that was nowhere near the same order of magnitude of the twitter anecdotes you dredge up today.
2. don't care. still comparing apples and oranges and nitpicking some abstract issue that i choose not to be dragged down into. |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 6:50 AM Author: Sooty bateful twinkling uncleanness Lol. You gaped yourself on this one. Yes, only a small percentage of the population has been Twitter-mobbed. But, to use an apples-to-apples comparison (as you proclaim to want but rarely do), only a small percentage of women were burned as witches, and a minuscule percentage of black men were lynched. As you so aptly pointed out above, these were symptoms of a society that we see today as being unfair. The lynchings and the burnings are remembered today as being the quintessential examples of miscarriages of justice which we want to avoid today. None-the-less, you wave off people engaging in similar behaviors today because there is a superficial difference in consequence for the target? Your argument seems to be, “the past was evil, and we’re doing exactly the same things as the evil people I criticize, but this time it's different.” Additionally, I pointed out that economic participation is exceptionally important today, with economic disenfranchisement carrying a much higher cost than in the past. Countering that by saying “the problem is that in the past, economic participation wasn’t important enough and had it been, it would have been unfair” is just a roundabout way of endorsing my position. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 4:07 PM Author: puce stirring foreskin > "look at what it leads to empirically."
I think you are confusing cause with effect here. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 4:17 PM Author: electric tantric stage fair enough. i have always asserted that it is impossible to disentangle cause/effect of ideologies and religions: what does it mean that christianity caused a religious war, or that marxism caused a genocide? can you really prove that the war/genocide would not have happened anyways under the auspices of some alternate ideology? no of course you cannot.
so let's just look at the underlying material concomitants of liberalism then: peace at home and abroad, unprecedented prosperity, some campus agitation, twitter rumblings, and a hilarious orange president. looks pretty good to me. |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 1:56 PM Author: arrogant skinny woman keepsake machete ain’t reading, you’re gay, ICXC NIKA bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40667097) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 7:11 PM Author: excitant whorehouse idea he suggested DTP wins again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40668684) |
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Date: July 27th, 2020 9:12 PM Author: flatulent rebellious casino DTP is basically the only person keeping the light of scholarship alive on xo these days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40669396) |
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Date: July 28th, 2020 12:45 AM Author: Soul-stirring French Old Irish Cottage Imagine Dignity tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4592458&forum_id=2#40670321) |