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Is flying the confederate flag racist?
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Date: December 20th, 2020 10:04 PM Author: Dashing Marketing Idea Whats the reason that people do it proudly? I know they say its not racist but my uninformed understanding (based on what libs tell me) is that those states were against the abolition of slavery. Is there some deeper thing they stand for? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#41587472) |
Date: December 20th, 2020 10:04 PM Author: irradiated outnumbered indian lodge persian lol no Confederates are objectively dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#41587475) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:11 AM Author: passionate menage hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157508) |
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Date: December 20th, 2020 10:08 PM Author: razzle-dazzle sanctuary Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. So anything named after him also supports slaves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#41587497) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:11 AM Author: passionate menage hissy fit Libs have been pretty consistent on Jefferson being a piece of shit that raped his slave who was also his wife's half-sister. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157512) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:51 AM Author: Filthy Native Internal Respiration I thought libs back in the day used to love Jefferson before libs became so woke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157669) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:52 AM Author: passionate menage hissy fit Libs always thought of Jefferson as a rapist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157676) |
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Date: December 20th, 2020 10:08 PM Author: flickering exhilarant center Pretty sure all states were both for and against the abolition of slavery at different times in history. The US flag (especially, say, the original Betsy Ross flag) is just as racist as the confederate flag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#41587498) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:12 AM Author: passionate menage hissy fit True,but which states were willing to take up arms against the federal gov't to DEFEND their right to own slaves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157515) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 12:12 PM Author: Hairraiser range I guess they would argue slave ownership was incidental they were just fighting big gov tyranny. I'm conflicted tbh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157765) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 12:15 PM Author: Filthy Native Internal Respiration Slavery was a big reason for the civil war although libs try to downplay that more and more these days because they want to make it look like white people weren't actually responsible for ending slavery. Southern states had slaves northern ones didn't, there was a war between the two sides for various reasons, one of which was that the north where slavery already was illegal, was confliced over the morality of slavery. A lib will tell you both the American flag and the confederate flags are racist these days, no need to ask them. I don't think the confederate flag is racist on its own, but I think its at least reasonable for libs to think this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157776) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:51 AM Author: Filthy Native Internal Respiration What about the states that weren't slave states? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157672) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:55 AM Author: flickering exhilarant center Pretty sure they were all "slave states" in 1776. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157689) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 12:01 PM Author: Filthy Native Internal Respiration I thought there were only like 15 states that permitted and practiced slavery and most of them were in the south. Not just right before the civil war but for all of pre-civil war American history. The idea of slavery being completely widespread and everywhere filling every open field in america in all states and slaves building all of America from ground up is some fantasy believed by libs that dont actually know history. I think at the time of the declaration of independence 6/13 colonies were slave colonies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157717) |
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Date: December 12th, 2023 9:23 AM Author: flickering exhilarant center Slavery was legal in all the colonies, even in New England, although only the ones in the south had large numbers of slaves doing agriculture.
Massachusetts abolished slavery in 1783 for example, and there weren't a lot of slaves there, but it was still legal for a bro to own a slave.
This was not just an American thing of course, but worldwide. |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 12:09 PM Author: Filthy Native Internal Respiration During the colonial period there was some slavery in Northern states but it was significantly smaller in scale than what was happening in the south. By the time America was established as an independent country many northern states were already making it illegal to have slaves within the first few years of Americas birth. Slavery was by and large a Southern thing and the states who defended their rights to continue this by taking up arms against the federal covernment were the confederate states. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157750) |
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Date: December 27th, 2020 10:14 PM Author: razzle tan senate milk Are you referring to the flag of the south during the war of northern aggression? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#41627662) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:12 AM Author: passionate menage hissy fit No, no, no.
He's referring to the flag that flown by the traitors who were in open rebellion to the United States of America and who were rightfully put down. |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:53 AM Author: Filthy Native Internal Respiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157681) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 1:34 AM Author: Free-loading lay idea he suggested It's not necessarily/inherently racist, but the more social stigma is attached (i.e., the more that's it's publicly circulated that flying it is racist) the more likely it is that anyone flying it is doing so with the awareness that their action is widely perceived as racist, and either doesn't care, and/or prioritizes making the statement (either for legitimate pro-Southern reasons or out of resentment for what they see as the suppression of speech/tradition, i.e., to embody a rebellious spirit in two ways at once) over not being perceived as racist. Given that being perceived as racist is considered deeply morally shameful these days, it's likely true that the average person balancing the pros and cons and coming out in favor of flying the stainless banner today is more racist than the average person flying it 50 years ago when the stigma wasn't so great.
Of course, this effect happens with any viewpoint/symbol that libs demonize and cause ppl to self-censor over -- many normal people who previously embraced it just capitulate because they don't care enough to suffer the social consequences, and the population that's left is (1) more courageous and absolutist regarding free speech; but also, nonetheless (2) more apt to in fact hold the (racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever) views being attributed to them by libs. |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:58 AM Author: Filthy Native Internal Respiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157706) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 6:21 PM Author: Free-loading lay idea he suggested No offense, but any analysis here that ignores the practical personal consequences of defying shitlib dogma is silly. For some people, it's not that great. For others -- who are dramatically overrepresented in overwhelmingly center-left, politics adjacent fields like the legal profession -- the potential consequences can be huge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47159297) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 6:42 PM Author: Cerebral corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47159360) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:26 AM Author: passionate menage hissy fit "Look, I likes Jews, alright? I just really really like flying a Swastika flag for the world to see. What's so bad about that???" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157575) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 11:34 AM Author: flickering exhilarant center 1970s punks wore Swastikas. Don't think they cared much about Jews one way or the other. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157598) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 6:41 PM Author: Cerebral corner Cr Whatever gets villainized to the highest degree by the establishment will always be held out as a flag by those who disagree with elements of it How many people here say "nigger" out of genuine turbo race hate and not just as a "fuck you" to the speech police |
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Date: December 12th, 2023 9:17 AM Author: flickering exhilarant center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47161135) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 6:30 PM Author: Free-loading lay idea he suggested There's a long and well-established history of the confederate battle flag being used as a symbol of a conception of southern identity and tradition that either deemphasizes or selectively omits slavery and the mistreatment of blacks. (While it'd be wrong to ignore, across all contexts, the plight of blacks in the South, I don't agree at all that it's bad to nonetheless revere the 'good parts' of the culture and adopt symbols that clearly focus on those parts while ignoring the bad. I don't see how it's any different from being a proud american who reveres american national symbolism, despite the fact that we genocided native americans, also practiced slavery, interned japanese, etc.) This practice dates back to shortly after the war, when honoring the memory of the dead was itself a pressing concern, and gradually shifted in emphasis toward a more general attempt to redeem and celebrate southern culture.
My understanding of german history is that there was no such graceful transition there as the Allies imposed vigorous denazification efforts immediately. There *certainly* isn't a tradition of venerating nazi symbolism that extends to a us-born american in 2023.
EDIT: If your point is that the good-faith perception of the persecuted class is that the symbol is racist, and that alone should deter association with the flag, I don't necessarily disagree. While I guess my writeup implied that the "downsides" that would cause someone to abandon the flag due to the perception of racism were limited to the personal consequences to the flag-flyer, I don't think that at all; you could easily decide that you still like the flag for non-racist reasons but that it's not worth the offense taken / hurt experienced by third parties. This is particularly true if you can easily shift from a more offensive symbol (the stainless banner) to a less-offensive one (say, veneration of Robert E. Lee). But there you run into the problem that shitlibs appear to be determined to attach stigma to any symbol of southern pride and identity, even when there's a clear collective shift from symbol a to symbol b in order to 'clarify' the non-malign intent of the symbol.
On that front, no one gave the guy credit for it, but I genuinely appreciated when Colin Kaepernick met with veterans and changed up his national anthem protest from a sitting-down-on-his-butt one to a taking-a-knee one. Still mostly pissed me off, but I appreciated the transition and the meaning behind it. |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 12:14 PM Author: Know-it-all Buck-toothed Theater Stage Objectively speaking the Confederate flag and the Nazi flag are two of the coolest looking flags that have ever been flown. They are just bad ass designs. UK flag and don't tread on me are also up there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157773) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 12:17 PM Author: Filthy Native Internal Respiration Nazi flag is numnber 1 though as far as aesthetics go. If only it were socially acceptiable to fly that one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4717354&forum_id=2#47157788) |
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Date: December 11th, 2023 6:24 PM Author: massive bawdyhouse if someone is flying a giant flag in front of their house that they take down at night and treat like a real flag, they are probably telling you something
some dood with a sticker on his truck or a tshirt is just saying "fuck yankees" |