Is flying the confederate flag racist?
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Date: December 12th, 2023 9:23 AM Author: primrose den organic girlfriend
Slavery was legal in all the colonies, even in New England, although only the ones in the south had large numbers of slaves doing agriculture.
Massachusetts abolished slavery in 1783 for example, and there weren't a lot of slaves there, but it was still legal for a bro to own a slave.
This was not just an American thing of course, but worldwide.
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Date: December 11th, 2023 1:34 AM Author: High-end passionate pozpig
It's not necessarily/inherently racist, but the more social stigma is attached (i.e., the more that's it's publicly circulated that flying it is racist) the more likely it is that anyone flying it is doing so with the awareness that their action is widely perceived as racist, and either doesn't care, and/or prioritizes making the statement (either for legitimate pro-Southern reasons or out of resentment for what they see as the suppression of speech/tradition, i.e., to embody a rebellious spirit in two ways at once) over not being perceived as racist. Given that being perceived as racist is considered deeply morally shameful these days, it's likely true that the average person balancing the pros and cons and coming out in favor of flying the stainless banner today is more racist than the average person flying it 50 years ago when the stigma wasn't so great.
Of course, this effect happens with any viewpoint/symbol that libs demonize and cause ppl to self-censor over -- many normal people who previously embraced it just capitulate because they don't care enough to suffer the social consequences, and the population that's left is (1) more courageous and absolutist regarding free speech; but also, nonetheless (2) more apt to in fact hold the (racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever) views being attributed to them by libs.
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Date: December 11th, 2023 6:30 PM Author: High-end passionate pozpig
There's a long and well-established history of the confederate battle flag being used as a symbol of a conception of southern identity and tradition that either deemphasizes or selectively omits slavery and the mistreatment of blacks. (While it'd be wrong to ignore, across all contexts, the plight of blacks in the South, I don't agree at all that it's bad to nonetheless revere the 'good parts' of the culture and adopt symbols that clearly focus on those parts while ignoring the bad. I don't see how it's any different from being a proud american who reveres american national symbolism, despite the fact that we genocided native americans, also practiced slavery, interned japanese, etc.) This practice dates back to shortly after the war, when honoring the memory of the dead was itself a pressing concern, and gradually shifted in emphasis toward a more general attempt to redeem and celebrate southern culture.
My understanding of german history is that there was no such graceful transition there as the Allies imposed vigorous denazification efforts immediately. There *certainly* isn't a tradition of venerating nazi symbolism that extends to a us-born american in 2023.
EDIT: If your point is that the good-faith perception of the persecuted class is that the symbol is racist, and that alone should deter association with the flag, I don't necessarily disagree. While I guess my writeup implied that the "downsides" that would cause someone to abandon the flag due to the perception of racism were limited to the personal consequences to the flag-flyer, I don't think that at all; you could easily decide that you still like the flag for non-racist reasons but that it's not worth the offense taken / hurt experienced by third parties. This is particularly true if you can easily shift from a more offensive symbol (the stainless banner) to a less-offensive one (say, veneration of Robert E. Lee). But there you run into the problem that shitlibs appear to be determined to attach stigma to any symbol of southern pride and identity, even when there's a clear collective shift from symbol a to symbol b in order to 'clarify' the non-malign intent of the symbol.
On that front, no one gave the guy credit for it, but I genuinely appreciated when Colin Kaepernick met with veterans and changed up his national anthem protest from a sitting-down-on-his-butt one to a taking-a-knee one. Still mostly pissed me off, but I appreciated the transition and the meaning behind it.
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Date: December 11th, 2023 6:24 PM Author: azure marvelous gaming laptop forum
if someone is flying a giant flag in front of their house that they take down at night and treat like a real flag, they are probably telling you something
some dood with a sticker on his truck or a tshirt is just saying "fuck yankees"
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