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Marriage literally ruined my life. Do people actually troll for this flame?
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:35 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha How ugly and empty does someone's life have to be to actively troll for marriage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217727) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:42 PM Author: drab people who are hurt explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217757) |
Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:38 PM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven How is your life ruined? What could she have possibly done to you in only 3 months to ruin your life? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217738) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:42 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Nothing. It's just the whole notion that is abominable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217754) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:39 PM Author: nudist galvanic water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217744) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:42 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Tell me how you can stand being around the same person every waking hour. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217759) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:43 PM Author: nudist galvanic water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217766) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:44 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Even so, I enjoy solitude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217772) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:47 PM Author: drab people who are hurt have a no phone contact rule unless for emergencies, dingbat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217790) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:53 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha lol 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217821) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:54 PM Author: drab people who are hurt our grand parents interacted with each other 1/3 as much as we do now, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217828) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:49 PM Author: Swashbuckling yellow prole Don't you go to work? If you need a buffer from home life, start doing more things on your own like gym, golf, or after-work bars, if they're open in your authoritarian shithole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217807) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:53 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha How can you come home and have to listen to someone's bullshit? I just want to go home, play music, run and shit... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217825) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:57 PM Author: Swashbuckling yellow prole My point is that you might need to find more things to do away from home now thst you're married, if you need space. Running is a good option, so is going to see jazz shows occasionally. Take her to some really boring fushion thing once so she'll never want to go again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217845) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:00 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha I have already met someone else I like better and who is younger and wants kids.
Divorce is finalised. |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:01 AM Author: Swashbuckling yellow prole You're delaying the problem, not solving it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217863) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:04 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Yeah I don't think there is an answer, just a best compromise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217879) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:04 AM Author: talking fear-inspiring mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217880) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:41 PM Author: Excitant garrison cuckold You get married for your kids; that's it. There is literally no other reason to be married to a woman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217751) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:42 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha How can I find a woman that just wants to fuck and give me a kid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217762) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:43 PM Author: Excitant garrison cuckold Mormon church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217767) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:44 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Yeah religious women could never be insane! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217769) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:45 PM Author: Excitant garrison cuckold Compared to the brainwashed shitlib women pumped out by our universities, Mormon women are objective 10s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217777) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:46 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha They are hot but I can't imagine being around someone that believes in that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217784) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:47 PM Author: Excitant garrison cuckold no worse than being around someone who spouts off woke bullshit 24/7 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217793) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:50 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Both are horrible options. This isn't a dichotomy.
Why wouldn't a woman be cool if I offered to pay for her home and shit if she gave me a kid? |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:35 AM Author: soul-stirring death wish bawdyhouse Because you aren’t a hot rich guy she can brag about to her friends and family. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218738) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:48 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha But I am. I'm good looking and wealthy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218761) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:44 PM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven What was this specific woman requesting of you? She was old enough, made her own money and also wanted a kid.
Did she force you to sit down and listen to hours of BS? You could have simply told her you wanted some space and if she didn't like that, tough shit. |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:49 PM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Requested nothing. It's the simple fact of not being able to do what you want to do when you want to do it that makes marriage horrific. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217805) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:54 PM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven So why didn't you specify to her that you wanted an open relationship? This is doable if you actually discuss it upfront.
I'm sure that someone her age would not mind this type of arrangement in exchange for having a kid with two parents instead of being a single mother.
Not sure what things you claim you couldn't do, but you never did anything anyway except play your saxophone and watch boxing matches. How did she interfere with that? |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:03 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha She's mostly chill but I just like being alone. I like going out for walks on my own. I like the thrill of other women. Just this whole thing makes zero sense to me.
Playing music and studying it takes up a lot of time. So does sporting activities and shit. |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:05 AM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven If you like the thrill of other women then you don't belong in a marriage. Just knock someone up and have a kid. End of the story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217889) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:07 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha THATS ALL I HAVE WANTED SINCE I WAS 30 BUT NO WOMEN JUST WANTS THAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217894) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:08 AM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven Lol, but that's exactly the point. You won't tell her. You will pretend you put a condom on, but the condom is torn and you will get her pregnant. That's it.
Get her an apartment somewhere and see her once a week. The kid is with you one week and the other he's with her. |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:11 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha I really like this plan man. Now just show me how to meet a woman who is down for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217913) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:14 AM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven The plan may not actually work for you, actually. All the things you hate about having a woman around will apply to a kid.
With a kid, you won't be alone, you won't be able to do everything you want, you won't have your own space. The kid will be there ALL THE TIME for at least 18 years. So you're basically deluded into thinking you can have a kid and keep your lifestyle. |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:26 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Nah because a kid is a part of you forever. A woman is just someone you have met for procreation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217980) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:58 PM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven That's a retarded as fuck answer. You said the reason you could not be married is that you couldn't do whatever you wanted and that you did not want to be around the same person. Then someone suggested that you to look for someone you enjoyed being around and you whined again that you enjoyed solitude. The kid will not allow any fucking solitude for you dumbass. Whether he's part of you forever or not, that's a retarded answer. For some men, their wives are part of them forever too, even after the kid left the house. So you're just a moron who has no idea what he wants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42219816) |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 3:31 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Nigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42229298) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:09 AM Author: Swashbuckling yellow prole No shit, whok. You are acting autistic as fuck, even for xo. No woman wants to be on her own with a kid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217901) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:09 AM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven titcr, he's retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217909) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:11 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha No, I'm not. I am a good dood and very honest. I'm not cut out for marriage but I want kids. Why is this so hard to process for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217915) |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 2:51 AM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven I didn't say you weren't good or honest. I said you're retarded. Point proven. TY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42229224) |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 3:31 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Why are you such a cunt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42229297) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:10 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha I don't understand female logic. Stay with a guy who is a deadbeat loser and hate every day of your life vs a guy who will give you a home but wants some solitude and will always be there for the kid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217911) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:14 AM Author: Swashbuckling yellow prole You'll always be there for the kid even though you want the default to be for you to go home alone most nights? What does that even mean? For most women, not wanting to act like a father - meaning have a daily role in raising a child with her - is the definition of being a deadbeat. Throwing money at it doesn't raise the child. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217924) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:22 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha No what I mean is I like space to myself and I don't want one of those loser families who do every single thing together. I would teach my kid everything intellectually, musically, athletically...I just can't live my life as one of these people attached at the hip to another adult.
I don't see whats so wrong with that. Most women end up with losers anyways/are unhappy in their marriage. Why not try something less conventional? |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:26 AM Author: green internet-worthy corn cake LOL @ you, Whok. You’re acting like a spoiled millennial bitch. There are trade offs in life. By the way, there are good reasons for this particular trade off in terms of a kid having two caring parents in the home rather than having shuttle visitation. You want to have a vanity kid who inevitably gets fucked up by having a “weekend dad” or some shit because you’re totally unwilling to compromise your bachelor life even a little bit to live with someone else. You should reread the content ITT objectively as if it’s someone else and maybe you’ll see you’re being an entitled bitch and need to grow the fuck up, or just recognize that you’re never going to be in the right head space to have a kid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218726) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:43 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Not at all.
Most people in marriages are unhappy. Most people marry out of boredom.
I'm just a guy who is a loner by choice but wants children. Why is this so hard for you you accept?
I never claimed I would be a "weekend dad" or whatever. Look at the life choices by the women on this thread. They invariably end up with shitty men. I'm just a guy who is honest. Whats the point in lying? |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:40 AM Author: soul-stirring death wish bawdyhouse Why would someone who just wants to be left alone to their own thoughts and hobbies want an extreme social connection like a kid? You shouldn’t be married and you don’t need kids. Do some volunteer work or something if you want a mentoring relationship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218749) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:44 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha So only people who want to socialise and have nothing going for them are allowed to have kids? I would teach my kid everything and do everything with my life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218753) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 11:27 AM Author: green internet-worthy corn cake LOL at this toddler-like tirade. “So you’re saying I can’t play with everyone if I make up all the rules?!?!?! But whyyyyyyyyyyy?”
People that tell their wife to piss off because they want unlimited alone time don’t suddenly become great dads. |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 4:13 PM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven He has been creating threads for years about how marriage sucks and how having kids is a pain. Now he tries to have a fake marriage and kids.. Lol. Please don't bring a kid to this world if you will indoctrinate him with your beliefs. Lol at teaching him music and culture being all he needs dumbass. You also misread above. An extreme social connection means you will be with your kid 24/7. You will need to meet other parents and other kids and have social activities unless you want your kid to be a social retard like yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42220606) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2021 11:57 PM Author: Appetizing lay Literally the only thing i give a shit about is my kids, and a traditional nuclear family is best for kids. I chose my wife because i knew she would be a good mother, and she is. She is terrible in bed the few times a month we fuck, but that was the sacrifice i knew i was making. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217843) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:01 AM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven Describe what makes her terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217859) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:03 AM Author: Appetizing lay Just goes through the motions. No libido. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217873) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 3:17 PM Author: Aqua laser beams Do you make her come? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42220408) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:01 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Where did you meet her? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217861) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:03 AM Author: Appetizing lay Undergrad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217875) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:04 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha That sounds awful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217886) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:04 AM Author: talking fear-inspiring mediation do u cheat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217883) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 6:48 AM Author: Crystalline dopamine scourge upon the earth This poast has the makings of a much better thread than this OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218697) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:28 AM Author: jet-lagged sexy skinny woman Cr.
However I would add that marriage is very good for people as it matures you in ways being single cannot. I love my wife more now than the day we were married. Also lust after her more too and she of course has aged some. |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 12:29 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42217993) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 4:33 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218509) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:29 AM Author: slate old irish cottage lmfao whok I can't believe this is real. No offense but are one dumb motherfucker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218730) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:39 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha TY brother. Please extol the virtues of marriage that I have not picked up on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218745) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:36 AM Author: Slap-happy native lol you were supposed to knock up your wife on your wedding night at like 22. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218740) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:39 AM Author: Swashbuckling yellow prole Good point. It is disasterous that both men and women get too attached to bachelor life because they waste 10-15 years indulging in career striving before tney settle down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218744) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:39 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Is this are fault. You can't even get a job these days until like 24. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218746) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:41 AM Author: Slap-happy native nah millennials got pwned. slide and let do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218750) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:41 AM Author: Twisted Heady Juggernaut Seems like you just don’t want to live with a woman since all your complaints are that she’s around too much. Did you even live together before getting married?
I agree marriage sucks but not for that reason |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:44 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Did not live together pre-marriage.
Literally the only thing I hate about it is loss of independence. |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 7:47 AM Author: Slap-happy native cant even fathom a 50/50 decision making split with a modern woman. everything would be a fight with me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42218758) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 3:31 PM Author: odious cerise telephone french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42220445) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 5:03 PM Author: Twisted Heady Juggernaut Absolutely insane to get married before even living together (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42220800) |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:31 AM Author: odious cerise telephone french chef this was common practice up until the sexual revolution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42230165) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 9:11 PM Author: odious cerise telephone french chef because misery loves company (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42221963) |
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Date: April 4th, 2021 11:06 PM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven How big of a whiny asshole do you need to be to claim "your life is ruined" by having been married 3 months?
Let's take the following into consideration:
1. You married her without knowing if she had infertility issues (which she had and it showed in the first 3 months). Married without knowing each other or dating. Smart as fuck move just to start.
2. She didn't act like a lunatic, was not a shrew, did not get fat, did not treat you like shit. She was simply living in the same quarters. That was enough for you to go insane, even though you have several properties you could have gone to if you wanted solitude.
3. The divorced papers are signed and she's now out of the picture. But you still whine that your life is ruined. LOL
Did she take your money? Did she psychologically abuse you to the point you are now fucked for life? How is your life ruined? From what you said before, she's very successful and very likely did not need any money.
Sorry whok, you're not only not cut out to be married. You're not cut out to be alive and don't even think about having a kid because you will ruin his life. |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 3:32 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha JFC man why do you hate me so much?
All I want is to improve my life, man. |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 4:17 AM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven Who hates you? State what part of my assessment of you is inaccurate and why. If you can't, then you got what you wanted ITT: An impartial assessment of your situation. You should be grateful someone takes the time to do that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42229374) |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 4:22 AM Author: Crawly up-to-no-good cruise ship alpha Because you don't know me or understand my situation at all.
Having my own space and spending time with my child is a lot different than the utter monotony that cums with being married. |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 9:51 AM Author: green internet-worthy corn cake He’s right. How could 3 months of “monotony” make you run for the hills yet you’re 100% certain you’d gleefully accept the hard work and drudgery that comes with raising a kid? It makes no sense. People who have so little emotional intelligence they chimp out after three months of marriage despite no acute issues like abuse aren’t equipped to deal with a lifetime of work and support for a child. Having a child does change you and the love you feel is different, but you should be skeptical of how sure you are that this time, this new thing you’ve never done before will be totally different from how things played out previously for you. It doesn’t tend to work that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42229964) |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:56 AM Author: Trip friendly grandma heaven We can only understand what you write here, what part did you leave out to make us "not know you or understand your situation at all"?
Your life is ruined because you spent 3 months with a woman. Your biggest complaint: Lack of solitude. When asked if she did something to ruin your life, your answer is she took away your solitude.
However, when we mention that a kid will literally take every bit of solitude in your life, then you claim it's completely different and then solitude won't actually matter?
If you made some sense we'd have some good advice for you. But you don't and hence all you're getting is that you're retarded. Your new answer: You know nothing about me. LOOOOL. |
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Date: April 5th, 2021 12:01 AM Author: Aphrodisiac opaque crackhouse kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42222788) |
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Date: April 6th, 2021 9:52 AM Author: Cordovan Stirring Dog Poop Patrolman Any bikini pix of your ex? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4802767&forum_id=2#42229970) |