The archive for the Wiki used to go back to 2014. All entries noted that prior to 2019, mRNA technology was considered to be experimental in humans. I personally was reviewing this Wiki entry at the start of the “pandemic” and found this language to be very interesting. It used to be at the bottom of the introductionary section.
Not only has the “mRNA technology is experimental in humans” language been erased from later Wiki articles, all archives have been purged. The earliest archive is now from June 2020, which claims the benefits of the vaccines outweigh any costs
The archive for the Wiki used to go back to 2014. All entries noted that prior to 2019, mRNA technology was considered to be experimental in humans. I personally was reviewing this Wiki entry at the start of the “pandemic” and found this language to be very interesting. It used to be at the bottom of the introductionary section.
Not only has the “mRNA technology is experimental in humans” language been erased from later Wiki articles, all archives have been purged. The earliest archive is now from June 2020, which claims the benefits of the vaccines outweigh any costs
Date: June 9th, 2021 4:02 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
I’m not a liar you fucking idiot.
There was some form of Wiki that existed in November 2019. It resembled the OP article and I found it by googling “mRNA vaccines.” It contained much of the same language in the OP article but with an extensive discussion on the history of mRNA vaccines, how they recently had been approved to be studied for emergency use, and a statement along the lines of “prior to November 2019, mRNA vaccines were considered experimental for use in humans.”
This has been obliterated from existence. Perhaps to evade the archives, Wiki nuked the prior article entirely and just created a new one in 2020
Date: June 9th, 2021 4:12 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
Go find it then. I only thought there was one archive website.
Also, I believe Wiki itself helped cover this up if it’s true that the mRNA vaccine page was only created in 2020. You can see proof of that from the June 2020 archive and compare to the most recent page. You can see that the June 2020 archive (earliest one available) was tremendously cut down from the most recent version:
Much of the info contained in the most recent page came from the 2019 and earlier Wiki pages on mRNA vaccines which also contained the “experimental in humans” language and which has apparently been memoryholed forever. I know this because I personally viewed the November 2019 archive of the mRNA page and it contains much of the language on the most recent page, that is all missing from the June 2020 archive
Date: June 9th, 2021 4:45 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
I clicked on your link but don’t understand it.
This is simple. In 2019, if you googled “mRNA vaccines,” there was a Wiki page. Much of the language on that page is used on the current page which was apparently only created in 2020.
I want to find the Wiki page that existed as November 2019 as I am 100% positive it stated that mRNA vaccines were considered to be experimental for use in humans. How can I find that from your link?
Date: June 9th, 2021 9:13 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
That’s the point, numbnuts. Wikipedia deleted the prior page so no link can be found.
But if someone can figure out how to access the archive that was linked, if you go to a complete archive of Wikipedia as of November 2019 and search for the mRNA vaccine entry you will find the page there along with the statement that mRNA vaccines are considered experimental for use in humans.
Date: June 10th, 2021 11:00 AM Author: nudist crackhouse twinkling uncleanness
I’m not a liar you fucking idiot.
There was some form of Wiki that existed in November 2019. It resembled the OP article and I found it by googling “mRNA vaccines.” It contained much of the same language in the OP article but with an extensive discussion on the history of mRNA vaccines, how they recently had been approved to be studied for emergency use, and a statement along the lines of “prior to November 2019, mRNA vaccines were considered experimental for use in humans.”
This has been obliterated from existence. Perhaps to evade the archives, Wiki nuked the prior article entirely and just created a new one in 2020
so either OP is lying and playing at some super subtle flame-game or wikipedia is engaging in some Orwell-worthy editing and literally faking the creation date of particular pages
Date: June 9th, 2021 3:53 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
I am not lying. This technology has been around for a while and so has the Wiki.
As Covid was ramping up I saw this Wiki page get edited to remove the reference to experimental technology in humans. To make sure I wasn’t crazy I pulled up the archive and there was one from November 2019.
Date: June 9th, 2021 3:57 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
It isn’t flame you idiot. There was some form of Wiki page that existed in November 2019 that resembled the OP but contained “experimental” language which appears to have been memoryholed out of existence
Date: June 9th, 2021 4:06 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
No. I am 100% positive it was the mRNA vaccine page. Specifically, the language was located at the end of the intitial section. Some of the language in the most recent article was also contained back then, but the last paragraph was added in early 2020:
In RNA therapeutics, mRNA vaccines have attracted considerable interest as COVID-19 vaccines. By December 2020, there were two novel mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 that had completed the required eight-week period post-final human trials and were awaiting emergency use authorization (EUA): the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine (mRNA-1273) and the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (BNT162b2).[1] On 2 December 2020, the UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) became the first medicines regulator to approve an mRNA vaccine, authorizing the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (Comirnaty) for widespread use.[7][8][9] On 11 December 2020, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an EUA for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommended its use in those aged 16 and older on 12 December 2020.[10][11] On 19 December 2020, the CDC recommended the use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in adults after the FDA granted an EUA.[12][13]
The use of RNA in a vaccine has been the basis of substantial misinformation circulated via social media, wrongly claiming that the use of RNA alters a person's DNA (a biologically impossible occurrence).[14]
Much of the info contained in the most recent page came from the 2019 and earlier Wiki pages on mRNA vaccines which also contained the “experimental in humans” language and which has apparently been memoryholed forever
Date: June 9th, 2021 4:28 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
It’s a website.
THERE WAS A WIKI PAGE ON MRNA VACCINES THAT EXISTED IN 2019. IT WAS NOT CREATED FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME IN 2020. I READ THE MRNA WIKI PAGE IN 2019 AND SPECIFICALLY THE NOVEMBER 2019 PAGE CONTAINED THE EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT IN HUMANS LANGUAGE
Date: June 9th, 2021 3:54 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
If so Wiki deleted a prior article entirely. There was an archive of the article in the OP from November 2019 that contained the “experimental” language
Date: June 9th, 2021 4:25 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
I think Wiki was involved. I think the prior page was called mRNA vaccines and Wiki deleted it and renamed it RNA vaccines.
I am telling you I looked at the Wiki page in early 2020 when Covid first became a thing and the page substantially resembled the current page but contained a much more extensive discussion on the negatives and dangers of mRNA vaccines. Much of that discussion has been erased and replaced with the following language:
The use of RNA in a vaccine has been the basis of substantial misinformation circulated via social media, wrongly claiming that the use of RNA alters a person's DNA (a biologically impossible occurrence).[14]
THERE WAS A WIKI PAGE ON MRNA VACCINES IN 2019 AND IT WAS NOT CREATED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2020.
Date: June 9th, 2021 4:37 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
Sure, and that’s a good point.
But I don’t like letting the bad guys win. I want to find the damn page that Wiki deleted. It resembled the current page but clearly stated that mRNA vaccines were considered experimental for use in humans
Date: June 9th, 2021 5:16 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
True but since making this thread I learned that Wiki itself has contributed to the fact suppression by deleting the prior page on mRNA vaccines and creating a new one in 2020. The current page uses a lot of language from the earlier page which was deleted
Date: June 9th, 2021 5:21 PM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
Apart from pure 1984, the significance is to remove an easy rebuttal to an NPC that could redpill him.
The current NPC script is that mRNA technology is safe and effective and has been around for over 30 years. Being able to point to a Wiki article which states that the use of mRNA vaccines was considered experimental for use in humans, as of November 2019, clearly devastates that NPC script. Even better when you have to point to an archive which shows that the current Wiki page deletes the “experimental” language entirely.
Without the archive, you just sound like a crazy person
I didn't look through this whole thread, but I made a joke on Twitter about long do you think THEY will allow this to stay up
"Given the novel nature of the mechanism of action of RNA vaccines, and their drug delivery vehicles,[2] little is known about the medium and longer-term side effects,[8]"
I see now that this has been edited and smoothed down on the current version FWIW
Date: June 10th, 2021 12:14 AM Author: nudist crackhouse twinkling uncleanness
As far as i can tell this was a total fraud.
i downloaded the "enwiki-20190720-pages-articles.xml.bz2" archive from this page, since that date lined up with when the "old" RNA vaccine article should exist based on OP's claims https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dump_torrents
If this was memory-holed, either it was done before 2019 (in which case your story is nonsense) or Wikipedia was somehow able to get all of the torrent files distributed across the Internet to reflect the change.
Date: June 10th, 2021 11:03 AM Author: nudist crackhouse twinkling uncleanness
before you said "There was some form of Wiki that existed in November 2019." Now, in the face of criticism and contradicting evidence, you've backpedaled and changed that "existed" claim to claiming the page was WRITTEN in 2019. Why don't YOU try looking shit up yourself in these wikipedia archives and substantiating your own dubious claim? you've gotten TWO people to try to do deep dives for you into wikipedia history and they've managed to turn up nothing and now you want to send people on another wild goose chase? Burden of proof is on YOU now
Date: June 11th, 2021 12:09 AM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
Drop your faggy and arrogant attitude.
The article 100% existed as of November 2019. I know this because I read the “experimental” language at the time.
Later in early 2020, I noticed this language had been deleted and replaced with language saying that misinformation has persisted around mRNA vaccines. I was able to go into the Internet Archive and found an archive from November 2019 that had the correct language. I believed that the archive extended way back to 2014 but could have been wrong about that. It 100% extended further back from November 2019.
I never paid attention to the date any page was created.
I didn’t think anything more of it until recently, when I went to look for this “experimental” language and was astonished to see that all prior archives were erased. Again, I am 100% positive an archive existed as of November 2019 and specifically around Thanksgiving because I looked at an earlier archived article, from earlier in 2019 and it didn’t contain the “experimental” language. The language came after it was discussed in the article that mRNA vaccines had been approved for emergency use to fight Covid and then it said prior to November 2019, mRNA vaccines were considered an experimental treatment for use in humans. It specifically came at the very end of the introductory section before the table of contents.
Because the earliest archive you can now find is from June 2020, I naturally assumed that the Internet Archive just deleted everything prior, and created this thread.
After creating this thread people claimed that the Wiki page itself wasn’t created until 2020. I assume that is true and that can only mean that Wiki itself deleted the old page so it was removed from all internet archives. I don’t remember the exact name of the old page so it’s possible “vaccine” was not in the title, but I was always able to access it by googling “mRNA vaccines.” There may have been a redirect at the top of the page but I am not sure.
I am 100% positive if one can access a copy of Wiki as it existed in November 2019 they will be able to see this experimental language. I’m not making it up as I had no idea about this subject before reading the Wiki page at the time. Also someone else said if you google with date restrictions, prior to Covid, the articles are uniform in bashing mRNA vaccines saying they are unsafe in humans, have unknown side effects, etc. See this thread:
I would bet that some of the articles referenced in that thread were footnoted and the source for the claim in the November 2019 Wiki page which stated that prior to November 2019, mRNA vaccines were considered to be experimental for use in humans.
Date: June 11th, 2021 12:33 AM Author: Nubile field digit ratio
You didn’t disprove it. I don’t know if “vaccine” was contained in the title for the page. I only know that you could access the page by googling “mRNA vaccine” and it was a top result.
I would love to be able to prove what I saw. I personally accessed the Internet Archive and pulled up an archive of the page from around Thanksgiving 2019 and saw the “experimental” language which confirmed my prior recollection. I described to you exactly where the language was located in the article.
If you can locate an archive of Wiki from November 2019 and specifically around Thanksgiving, and do a text search for “vaccine” “mRNA” “experimental” and “humans” you will be able to pull up the page. I clicked on the link in this thread but it was 50 GB and I had no idea how to access it or search through it. It also was before November 2019