Yet in both areas vax rates are decent and case numbers are not extreme.

Something else, dark and ominous, is happening here. I can't tell if its med workers just half-assing it, some other structural problem coming home to roost, everyone taking advantage of a scapegoat group to do no work, or the whole thing falling apart.

But it seems bad and I wouldnt go to a hospital unless I had already accepted I was dying and this was a hail mary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190201)

Among other things my hunch is the vaccine is really far less effective than expected.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190263)

1. There are many more cases than reported, but many people don’t get sick enough to realize they have it. Basically everyone is getting Covid

2. High vaccination rate increases risk to unvaccinated in their community, as vaccinated still spread but now are asymptomatic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190268)

Other half of XO: COVID is like AIDS fucked Ebola.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190333)

Seems like this is more closely related to the ridiculous supply chain and labor shortage problems than covid. The government did this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190306)

On that note we also had to wait 90 minutes at the urgent care clinic with only two people in front of us. They literally had one provider working.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190347)

scary to even think about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190404)

as i understand things, the COVID protocols most hospitals still have in place are not working very effectively. do they not just put ppl on remdesevir (which is bad for kidney health) and then ultimately on a ventilator which will blow out your lungs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190335)

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/health/2021/09/27/christianacare-fires-employees-not-complying-vaccine-mandate/5887784001/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190431)

no jab

1 jab

2 jab, but not 14+ days after the 2nd jab

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190430)

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/09/covid-19-vaccine-status-age-discrimination.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190651)

Do you have anything that does? For example, something that shows the severe illness/fatality rate among vaxxed and unvaxxed older people is close to identical? Or something that shows that vaxxed 70+ people with comorbidities have far higher than a 50% CFR?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190678)

You have to read his claim to mean something completely different than what it literally says for "age is the biggest risk factor" to support it. C'mon.

In reality, the vax can reduce a 90 year old's risk by a factor of 20, and the 90 year old will still have a higher risk than an unvaxxed 60 year old. But interpreting a reduction in risk of 20x as "basically doesn't do much" is fucking retarded.

Edit: Edited my numbers because I found an article making that point explicitly with actual number examples. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-data-shows-vaccines-reduce-risk-of-hospitalisation-and-death-but-you-need-to-read-it-with-a-clear-head-12365728

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43192785)

The second confirmation follows from the first and explains why, even given the power of vaccines, there are still some number of severe breakthrough cases and deaths. That 11-fold reduction of risk found in the national CDC study, for instance? Enormous, of course, but it is an average across the observed population as a whole and represents only the equivalent of the ­difference between an unvaccinated 86-year-old man and a 61-year-old one, all else being equal. According to an analysis of British data by the Financial Times, a vaccinated 80-year-old has about the same mortality risk as an unvaccinated 50-year-old, and an unvaccinated 30-year-old has a lower risk than a vaccinated 45-year-old. Even a 42-fold reduction, as was found in King County, would only be the rough equivalent of the difference between an unvaccinated 85-year-old woman and an unvaccinated 50-year-old — the sort of person who was very worried last year before the arrival of vaccines and who may this year be worrying many of those around them by not getting one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190660)

In fact, the article says the opposite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190692)

Here’s from his pamphlet on vaccines:

on March 5 a team of German researchers published their findings from a study that tested how well people over 80 responded to Pfizer’s vaccine compared to those under 60. Unfortunately, the researchers found that vaccines produced a markedly weaker immune response in older people than those under 60. Seventeen days after receiving their second dose, about one in three people over 80 had no detectable “neutralizing antibodies” to the coronavirus in their blood – a crucial measure of immunity. Only 1 percent of younger people had no neutralizing antibodies. (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.03.21251066v1.full)

…

Why did so few people die in the trials if Covid has really killed more than 500,000 Americans – 1 out of every 600 people? Because both companies tested their vaccines mostly on healthy people and those under 65. They included only a few elderly people with serious medical conditions, who are the people far more likely to die from Covid than anyone else. Only 1,700 of the 40,000 participants in the Pfizer trial were over 75. And only half of those received the vaccine. Worse, only Pfizer enrolled only five people over 85 in its trial – even though people that age make up one-quarter to one-half of all coronavirus deaths in most countries. For Moderna, the figures are similar. Detailed data on both the Pfizer and Moderna trials is available in briefing books from the Food & Drug Administration and the European Medicines Agency, Europe’s equivalent of the FDA. I will refer to it throughout this booklet. (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download) (https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download) Regulators could have made the companies test the vaccine on more older people. But they didn’t. Instead they focused on making sure the trials were racially diverse. In August, Dr. Fauci encouraged Moderna to enroll more black and Hispanic people. Non-white people were more likely to die of the coronavirus, so they should be properly represented, he said. Trials should “aim to match the burden of disease,” Fauci said. “We’d like to do that.” (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-08-20-20-intl/h_7161d63767b4e937f63049d2d3002d46) On Sept. 4, Moderna said it would slow its trial slightly to increase non-white enrollment. Making sure trials are demographically diverse is a worthy goal. Fauci is right that minorities have died from Covid at higher rates than whites (though some of the difference may unfortunately stem from the fact that African-Americans have higher rates of severe obesity and diabetes than whites). But the difference in death rates between races is tiny in comparison to the difference between older and younger people of any race. People over 80 are thousands of times more likely to die of Covid than healthy people under 40. Think of the difference between the risk of flying and driving drunk – very drunk – for a sense of the gap. Further, the older people the companies did enroll were relatively healthy. Most did not have illnesses like diabetes. But most people who die of Covid have several serious health problems. For example, the Italian National Institute of Health reported in January that two-thirds of people over 70 who died had at least three conditions like high blood pressure, dementia, or other problems. Fewer than 3 percent had no conditions. (https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_27_january_2021.pdf) The importance of this mismatch cannot be overstated. The companies failed to test the vaccine in the “right” people – the people at high risk of dying from Covid. Thus they failed to prove it actually reduced deaths, leaving a tragic hole in our medical and scientific knowledge. Worse yet, the trials offered some evidence that – as the real-world flu vaccine experience shows and as the German antibody study suggests – the Covid vaccines are less effective in older people.  In people over 65, the Moderna vaccine prevented infection 86 percent of the time instead of 94 percent. For the Pfizer vaccine, the rate was 92 percent in older people, compared to 95 percent overall. Those numbers still look solid. But they are in people over 65. No one can know from the trials whether effectiveness decreases further for the extremely elderly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43193254)

1. Massive patient census of fat unhealthy aging people with badly managed chronic conditions. I don’t mean your 60-year old white collar dad with high blood pressure and a bad knee. I mean homeless people with severe mental illness, drug abuse, TB and diabetes who spend 25% of their time in the hospital, 75% on the street in an endless cycle until they freeze on a cold night or OD.

2. Not enough doctors because they limit competition and everyone wants to be some cushy high-paid specialist instead of primary care/endless hospital shift garbage.

3. Not enough nurses because some overpaid admin working 9-5 determined that they could cut costs by understaffing and not rapidly replacing nurses who burn out and quit.

4. A large fraction of deaths and other adverse outcomes are patients who came in with treatable shit and then picked up an infection in the hospital.

Now you add a pandemic which even if it BS in many ways has generated a big load of additional ICU patients (who are generally the worst because they require constant monitoring and can’t do shit for themselves). Plus staff has to put up with ever-changing precautions, lots of near-mandatory overtime, etc. Staff are quitting and it’s not like America has thousands of qualified medical professionals sitting on the bench waiting for a call to work in the COVID ICU.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190495)

Nurses cover tons of patients in low acuity environments like nursing homes and we all decide to tolerate the horrific rates of infection, bedsores, and isolated depressed old patients because fuck it, they should have saved up for a private duty nurse or been nicer to their family. In the ICU you cannot deliver the required care accurately if you are watching more than a few. If you have 6 ICU patients you get results like "oops this guy died while I was away, dunno what happened. heard the alarm but I was literally covered in some other guy's shit at the time and everyone else was too busy." And they leave hospital nursing because the working conditions fucking suck and an experienced nurse who knows a few things can make more money for easier work elsewhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43194083)

There must be something going on with the viral load and shedding of vax'd ppl who get Covid. Like perhaps they are more likely to become superspreaders when they are vaxed. They have studies saying non-vax and vax have the same viral load which sounded weird as fuk. In reality maybe vax ppl with mNRA vax just become more infectious

Delta is so strong there's no point in doing lockdowns. India, Indonesia, and now Vietnam have had 2months of insane increases followed by 2m of 90%+ declines. That just seems natural, the virus spreads and then runs out of victims. There isn't much you can do about it. Lockdowns may in fact just cause ppl to stay at home and infect their entire family which then spreads to everyone in the building.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190517)

This is a retarded take. The initial antibodies are wearing off, but the memory b cells and t cells will still be able to respond to infection. That's why cases are going up but severe illness and death are still very unlikely in vaxxed in comparison to unvaxxed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190614)

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/dr-david-bauer-pfizer-vaccine-produces-fewer-key-antibodies/vi-AAKHPO1

sorry about your tiny pink antibodies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190640)

First, why don't you tell me what *you* think this clip is saying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190645)

you have no fucking idea what the long-range effects of these vaccines are. NO ONE FUCKING DOES YOU DUMB FUCK. the vaccines were approved with literal SIX FUCKING MONTHS OF DATA YOU WORTHLESS SHIT

do you even realize what you have done to your body?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190655)

I will, if you answer my question first. Why didn't you do that?

"you don't know what it does" is a big difference than "it destroys your immune system."

Can we agree on that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190699)

talk to me in 5 years, if you're still alive by then

good luck

you're going to fucking need it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190647)

every time i go out of my house i hear fucking ambulance sirens now

every. single. time.

it's a bloodbath. and it's only getting started. ;-)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190661)

thanks for your valuable contributions to the bort

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190668)

Not true if you're young and healthy. Any "improvement" in odds of survival is an infinitesimal rounding error

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190694)

oh but da T CELLS ljl faggot these studies look at infection and hospitalization rates and its clear the pfizer vax wears off after 5m

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190666)

https://leaps.org/how-long-do-covid-antibodies-last/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191049)

The reading I've done contradicts your claim that vaccines never affect the adaptive immune system (including the article I posted). What am I getting wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191952)

a cynical person might think that this is why the chinese government decided to engineer it as a bioweapon in the way they did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191089)

this is true of unvaxxed if under 90 and no comorbidities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191075)

wtf knows what is happening anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190676)

no control group, no way of knowing, but there was at least a coincidence of the vax and covid going buckwild

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191022)

2. hospitals are now designed as profit centers rather than as places to treat human beings, so they are extremely inflexible with stuff like this

3. the government is making zero effort to use the national guard or mobilize any other resources to help with the situation. why the fuck are we paying taxes to "the government" if they can't or won't do necessary stuff to help the public in times of emergency? stuff like this is the entire fucking purpose of the state in the first place

if this happened in the 1950s or under King FDR's watch, he would just unilaterally order personnel and resources to take care of the situation. today? the government does absolutely fucking nothing to help the public. it's gotten so bad that nobody even has the CONCEPTION that the government exists to help the public. i haven't even seen a single talking head or "article" bring this up, regardless of their "political orientation." it's simply not even something that anybody thinks about or expects or is aware of

this country is absolutely fucking done here and we live under a failed state which does not even pretend to care about its subjects

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191009)

Every single service or business I've used throughout my life is now way less reliable today. And every employee seems angry, distracted, and not wanting to be there.

I think some of it is pandemic-related, some of it's societal and country decline, and some of it is people just want to be at home with their screens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191531)

We are truly, absolutely, fucked. Complete societal decay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191587)

just went to a restaurant last night and received possibly the worst service i've ever had in my entire life

have noticed this trend since the pandemic but it is absolutely getting worse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43192370)

2. More people are going to the hospital because they have symptoms and tested positive. Hospitals routinely make mistakes that lead to further damage and longer stays.

3. Nurses realize they have leverage. But hospitals refuse to pay nurses more. In fact, they love a nurse shortage. This gives them political leverage to import more foreign (cheap) nurses and build more capacity (which is limited by local law). This ensures higher profits (future nurse glut) while reputational damage is mitigated by "pandemic" rhetoric.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43193456)

[citation needed]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43196144)