Hospitals are indeed "maxed out", blaming unvaxxed, but what's really happening?
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Date: September 28th, 2021 10:45 AM Author: startling opaque library therapy
Good friend here in FL and another friend in NM both work in hospitals and both describe horrific situations. Non-covid patients getting completely neglected, shoved into storage rooms, left for hours. Pneumonia not getting noticed. Not enough staffers. Staffers showing up, but not getting shit done. Terrible morale. Family members scrambling to find other, different hospitals in other states to take ICU transfers.
Yet in both areas vax rates are decent and case numbers are not extreme.
Something else, dark and ominous, is happening here. I can't tell if its med workers just half-assing it, some other structural problem coming home to roost, everyone taking advantage of a scapegoat group to do no work, or the whole thing falling apart.
But it seems bad and I wouldnt go to a hospital unless I had already accepted I was dying and this was a hail mary.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190201) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 11:00 AM Author: vibrant cyan national security agency
I think two things are happening that are not widely discussed:
1. There are many more cases than reported, but many people don’t get sick enough to realize they have it. Basically everyone is getting Covid
2. High vaccination rate increases risk to unvaccinated in their community, as vaccinated still spread but now are asymptomatic
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190268) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 11:07 AM Author: Magical preventive strike
My kid got turned away from two hospitals this weekend with a nasty lung virus (not covid).
Seems like this is more closely related to the ridiculous supply chain and labor shortage problems than covid. The government did this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190306) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 11:11 AM Author: cheese-eating useless keepsake machete
i have been hearing that going to a hospital these days is not a good idea but interesting to hear personal stories like this
as i understand things, the COVID protocols most hospitals still have in place are not working very effectively. do they not just put ppl on remdesevir (which is bad for kidney health) and then ultimately on a ventilator which will blow out your lungs?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190335) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 11:28 AM Author: Wine multi-billionaire senate
"unvaxxed" means:
no jab
1 jab
2 jab, but not 14+ days after the 2nd jab
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190430) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:09 PM Author: Mahogany aromatic home headpube
But in small type, King County included some other data that paint what seems at first blush like a very different picture: Fully 25 percent of deaths were among vaccinated people, the county reported. How can this be? If the vaccines are so effective that they reduce mortality 42 times over, how could the vaccinated account for such a large proportion of the deaths? The answer is actually quite simple: the overwhelming age skew of the disease, which — in the time of vaccines, breakthrough cases, and Delta — we are still, as a public, hugely underestimating and which is governing the post-vaccine pandemic landscape as clearly as it did the pre-vaccine landscape. To put it more bluntly: in assessing an individual’s risk of dying from covid, age appears still as important—and maybe even more important—than vaccination status. And while encouraging further vaccination remains by far the best tool we have in fighting the pandemic to an endgame détente, we should also be clear along the way about the continuing risks to the vaccinated elderly and what might be done to protect them.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/09/covid-19-vaccine-status-age-discrimination.html
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190651) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 6:59 PM Author: Dull Flickering Temple
This is his proposition: "just read a study where they said vax'd past a certain age basically doesn't do much."
You have to read his claim to mean something completely different than what it literally says for "age is the biggest risk factor" to support it. C'mon.
In reality, the vax can reduce a 90 year old's risk by a factor of 20, and the 90 year old will still have a higher risk than an unvaxxed 60 year old. But interpreting a reduction in risk of 20x as "basically doesn't do much" is fucking retarded.
Edit: Edited my numbers because I found an article making that point explicitly with actual number examples. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-data-shows-vaccines-reduce-risk-of-hospitalisation-and-death-but-you-need-to-read-it-with-a-clear-head-12365728
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43192785) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:10 PM Author: Mahogany aromatic home headpube
According to the CDC, 70 percent of breakthrough cases resulting in hospitalizations and 87 percent of those resulting in death were in patients over 65. The median age of breakthrough deaths in England was 84; in King County, it was 79.
The second confirmation follows from the first and explains why, even given the power of vaccines, there are still some number of severe breakthrough cases and deaths. That 11-fold reduction of risk found in the national CDC study, for instance? Enormous, of course, but it is an average across the observed population as a whole and represents only the equivalent of the difference between an unvaccinated 86-year-old man and a 61-year-old one, all else being equal. According to an analysis of British data by the Financial Times, a vaccinated 80-year-old has about the same mortality risk as an unvaccinated 50-year-old, and an unvaccinated 30-year-old has a lower risk than a vaccinated 45-year-old. Even a 42-fold reduction, as was found in King County, would only be the rough equivalent of the difference between an unvaccinated 85-year-old woman and an unvaccinated 50-year-old — the sort of person who was very worried last year before the arrival of vaccines and who may this year be worrying many of those around them by not getting one.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190660) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 8:42 PM Author: Orchid Hairraiser Selfie
If you read Alex Berenson’s pamphlet, he covered this months ago. The trials used a way younger group than who the target audience (who most needed the protection, i.e., 80+ year olds). The reality is your immune system goes to shit as you get older and the immune response was not as strong in old people as it was in young people (who ironically don’t need protection).
Here’s from his pamphlet on vaccines:
on March 5 a team of German researchers published their findings from a study that tested how well people over 80 responded to Pfizer’s vaccine compared to those under 60. Unfortunately, the researchers found that vaccines produced a markedly weaker immune response in older people than those under 60. Seventeen days after receiving their second dose, about one in three people over 80 had no detectable “neutralizing antibodies” to the coronavirus in their blood – a crucial measure of immunity. Only 1 percent of younger people had no neutralizing antibodies. (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.03.21251066v1.full)
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Why did so few people die in the trials if Covid has really killed more than 500,000 Americans – 1 out of every 600 people? Because both companies tested their vaccines mostly on healthy people and those under 65. They included only a few elderly people with serious medical conditions, who are the people far more likely to die from Covid than anyone else. Only 1,700 of the 40,000 participants in the Pfizer trial were over 75. And only half of those received the vaccine. Worse, only Pfizer enrolled only five people over 85 in its trial – even though people that age make up one-quarter to one-half of all coronavirus deaths in most countries. For Moderna, the figures are similar. Detailed data on both the Pfizer and Moderna trials is available in briefing books from the Food & Drug Administration and the European Medicines Agency, Europe’s equivalent of the FDA. I will refer to it throughout this booklet. (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download) (https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download) Regulators could have made the companies test the vaccine on more older people. But they didn’t. Instead they focused on making sure the trials were racially diverse. In August, Dr. Fauci encouraged Moderna to enroll more black and Hispanic people. Non-white people were more likely to die of the coronavirus, so they should be properly represented, he said. Trials should “aim to match the burden of disease,” Fauci said. “We’d like to do that.” (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-08-20-20-intl/h_7161d63767b4e937f63049d2d3002d46) On Sept. 4, Moderna said it would slow its trial slightly to increase non-white enrollment. Making sure trials are demographically diverse is a worthy goal. Fauci is right that minorities have died from Covid at higher rates than whites (though some of the difference may unfortunately stem from the fact that African-Americans have higher rates of severe obesity and diabetes than whites). But the difference in death rates between races is tiny in comparison to the difference between older and younger people of any race. People over 80 are thousands of times more likely to die of Covid than healthy people under 40. Think of the difference between the risk of flying and driving drunk – very drunk – for a sense of the gap. Further, the older people the companies did enroll were relatively healthy. Most did not have illnesses like diabetes. But most people who die of Covid have several serious health problems. For example, the Italian National Institute of Health reported in January that two-thirds of people over 70 who died had at least three conditions like high blood pressure, dementia, or other problems. Fewer than 3 percent had no conditions. (https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_27_january_2021.pdf) The importance of this mismatch cannot be overstated. The companies failed to test the vaccine in the “right” people – the people at high risk of dying from Covid. Thus they failed to prove it actually reduced deaths, leaving a tragic hole in our medical and scientific knowledge. Worse yet, the trials offered some evidence that – as the real-world flu vaccine experience shows and as the German antibody study suggests – the Covid vaccines are less effective in older people. In people over 65, the Moderna vaccine prevented infection 86 percent of the time instead of 94 percent. For the Pfizer vaccine, the rate was 92 percent in older people, compared to 95 percent overall. Those numbers still look solid. But they are in people over 65. No one can know from the trials whether effectiveness decreases further for the extremely elderly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43193254) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 11:36 AM Author: cerebral parlour
The baseline for hospitals is a complete fucking shit-show. Get in your time machine back to 2019 and you will see:
1. Massive patient census of fat unhealthy aging people with badly managed chronic conditions. I don’t mean your 60-year old white collar dad with high blood pressure and a bad knee. I mean homeless people with severe mental illness, drug abuse, TB and diabetes who spend 25% of their time in the hospital, 75% on the street in an endless cycle until they freeze on a cold night or OD.
2. Not enough doctors because they limit competition and everyone wants to be some cushy high-paid specialist instead of primary care/endless hospital shift garbage.
3. Not enough nurses because some overpaid admin working 9-5 determined that they could cut costs by understaffing and not rapidly replacing nurses who burn out and quit.
4. A large fraction of deaths and other adverse outcomes are patients who came in with treatable shit and then picked up an infection in the hospital.
Now you add a pandemic which even if it BS in many ways has generated a big load of additional ICU patients (who are generally the worst because they require constant monitoring and can’t do shit for themselves). Plus staff has to put up with ever-changing precautions, lots of near-mandatory overtime, etc. Staff are quitting and it’s not like America has thousands of qualified medical professionals sitting on the bench waiting for a call to work in the COVID ICU.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190495) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 11:41 AM Author: Mahogany aromatic home headpube
Pfizer vax is considerably less effective than previously believed. This is obvious from Israel, Singapore, Vermont etc. It basically isn't doing anything 4-5m after 2nd jab.
There must be something going on with the viral load and shedding of vax'd ppl who get Covid. Like perhaps they are more likely to become superspreaders when they are vaxed. They have studies saying non-vax and vax have the same viral load which sounded weird as fuk. In reality maybe vax ppl with mNRA vax just become more infectious
Delta is so strong there's no point in doing lockdowns. India, Indonesia, and now Vietnam have had 2months of insane increases followed by 2m of 90%+ declines. That just seems natural, the virus spreads and then runs out of victims. There isn't much you can do about it. Lockdowns may in fact just cause ppl to stay at home and infect their entire family which then spreads to everyone in the building.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190517)
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:09 PM Author: cheese-eating useless keepsake machete
address it here then. i'm happy to hear you out.
you have no fucking idea what the long-range effects of these vaccines are. NO ONE FUCKING DOES YOU DUMB FUCK. the vaccines were approved with literal SIX FUCKING MONTHS OF DATA YOU WORTHLESS SHIT
do you even realize what you have done to your body?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190655) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:18 PM Author: Dull Flickering Temple
"address it here then. i'm happy to hear you out."
I will, if you answer my question first. Why didn't you do that?
"you don't know what it does" is a big difference than "it destroys your immune system."
Can we agree on that?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190699) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:08 PM Author: cheese-eating useless keepsake machete
you have literal graphene oxide floating in your blood supply, you dumbfuck
talk to me in 5 years, if you're still alive by then
good luck
you're going to fucking need it
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190647) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:11 PM Author: cheese-eating useless keepsake machete
i hope it kills you long before then
every time i go out of my house i hear fucking ambulance sirens now
every. single. time.
it's a bloodbath. and it's only getting started. ;-)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190661) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 12:13 PM Author: Aphrodisiac jap
my buddy, who i literally just poasted about yesterday (buying the tesla S) is a doctor in suburban NY and he said it's legit nbd.
wtf knows what is happening anymore.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43190676) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 1:19 PM Author: Vigorous resort
1. hospitals are now staffed by incompetents instead of all 115 IQ+ white people
2. hospitals are now designed as profit centers rather than as places to treat human beings, so they are extremely inflexible with stuff like this
3. the government is making zero effort to use the national guard or mobilize any other resources to help with the situation. why the fuck are we paying taxes to "the government" if they can't or won't do necessary stuff to help the public in times of emergency? stuff like this is the entire fucking purpose of the state in the first place
if this happened in the 1950s or under King FDR's watch, he would just unilaterally order personnel and resources to take care of the situation. today? the government does absolutely fucking nothing to help the public. it's gotten so bad that nobody even has the CONCEPTION that the government exists to help the public. i haven't even seen a single talking head or "article" bring this up, regardless of their "political orientation." it's simply not even something that anybody thinks about or expects or is aware of
this country is absolutely fucking done here and we live under a failed state which does not even pretend to care about its subjects
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191009) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 2:48 PM Author: copper curious shrine
Everything is falling apart broadly. No surprise that medicine falls within that.
Every single service or business I've used throughout my life is now way less reliable today. And every employee seems angry, distracted, and not wanting to be there.
I think some of it is pandemic-related, some of it's societal and country decline, and some of it is people just want to be at home with their screens.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43191531) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 5:19 PM Author: cheese-eating useless keepsake machete
my god this!
just went to a restaurant last night and received possibly the worst service i've ever had in my entire life
have noticed this trend since the pandemic but it is absolutely getting worse
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43192370) |
Date: September 28th, 2021 9:29 PM Author: Pearly Church
1. While they do help against COVID, these "vaccines" destroy your overall immune system, particularly in the elderly. So you are more likely to get a severe illness from some other infection.
2. More people are going to the hospital because they have symptoms and tested positive. Hospitals routinely make mistakes that lead to further damage and longer stays.
3. Nurses realize they have leverage. But hospitals refuse to pay nurses more. In fact, they love a nurse shortage. This gives them political leverage to import more foreign (cheap) nurses and build more capacity (which is limited by local law). This ensures higher profits (future nurse glut) while reputational damage is mitigated by "pandemic" rhetoric.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4931614&forum_id=2#43193456) |
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