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Date: May 31st, 2022 5:39 PM Author: henna bisexual site
We first reaffirm and expand upon our conclusion in California Forestry
Association that section 45 defines fish as the term is used in sections 2062, 2067, and
2068 of the Act, by application of section 2. (California Forestry Assn. v. California
Fish & Game Commission (2007) 156 Cal.App.4th 1535, 1552 (California Forestry
Assn.).) That means the Commission has the authority to list an invertebrate as an
endangered or threatened species. We next consider whether the Commission’s authority
is limited to listing only aquatic invertebrates. We conclude the answer is, “no.”
Although the term fish is colloquially and commonly understood to refer to aquatic
species, the term of art employed by the Legislature in the definition of fish in section 45
is not so limited
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5120867&forum_id=2#44604470) |
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Date: May 31st, 2022 5:44 PM Author: henna bisexual site
we the judges decide what the legislature *wanted* and do our interpretation based on that.
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If there is no ambiguity, we presume the lawmakers meant what they said, and we
apply the term or phrase in accordance with that meaning. “ ‘ “If, however, the statutory
terms are ambiguous, then we may resort to extrinsic sources, including the ostensible
objects to be achieved and the legislative history.” ’ [Citation.] While we exercise our
independent judgment in interpreting a statute, we give deference to an agency’s
interpretation if warranted by the circumstances.” (California Forestry Assn., supra, 156
Cal.App.4th at p. 1545.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5120867&forum_id=2#44604489) |
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Date: May 31st, 2022 5:45 PM Author: marvelous frisky messiness philosopher-king
We certainly agree section 45 is ambiguous as to whether the Legislature intended
for the definition of fish to apply to purely aquatic species. A fish, as the term is commonly understood in everyday parlance, of course, lives in aquatic environments. As the Department and the Commission note, however, the technical definition in section 45 includes mollusks, invertebrates, amphibians, and crustaceans, all of which encompass
terrestrial and aquatic species.11 Moreover, by virtue of the express language in
section 2067, the Trinity bristle snail -- a terrestrial mollusk and invertebrate -- is a threatened species under the Act and could have qualified as such only within the definition of fish under section 45
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5120867&forum_id=2#44604492) |
Date: May 31st, 2022 5:47 PM Author: marvelous frisky messiness philosopher-king
We also do not read the Department’s and the Natural Resources Agency’s enrolled bill report regarding Senate Bill 858’s amendment to section 45 as restrictive as petitioners suggest we should read it. The Department and the Natural Resources Agency merely identified examples of invertebrates (i.e., using “such as”). (Dept. Fish & Game and Natural Resources Agency, Enrolled Bill Report on Senate Bill 858, July 24, 1969.) The Department and the Natural Resources Agency included worms in the list of examples, in addition to starfish, sea urchins, and sponges. (Ibid.) The enrolled bill report did not specify or indicate “worms” meant only aquatic worms. (See, e.g., 3 The New Century Dict. of English Language (1927) pp. 2226-2227 [worm defined as, “[i]n popular language, any of numerous, small creeping animals with more or less slender, elongated bodies, and without limbs or with very short ones, including individuals of widely differing kinds, as earthworms, tapeworms, insect larvae, adult forms of some insects, certain small crustaceans and mollusks, certain lizards . . .”]; Webster’s 3d New Internat. Dict. (1981) p. 2636, col. 1 [worm defined to include “earthworm; broadly: an annelid worm” (capitalization omitted), “any of numerous relatively small more or less elongated [usually] naked and soft-bodied animals resembling an earthworm,” and “an insect larva”]; Oxford English Dict. (1933) p. 307, col. 1 [worm defined as “[a] member of the genus Lumbricus; a slender, creeping, naked, limbless animal, usually brown or reddish, with a soft body divided into a series of segments; an earthworm. More widely, any annelid, terrestrial, aquatic, or marine”].)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5120867&forum_id=2#44604503) |
Date: May 31st, 2022 5:57 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle brunch
Going to go out on a limb and predict that, in a case between a group of farmers vs. government regulators and an environmental group funded by Disney, Google, and "impact investors" like Jesse Fink...
...the court did what it had to do in order to rule against the farmers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5120867&forum_id=2#44604540) |
Date: September 21st, 2022 9:10 PM Author: Hairraiser kitchen indirect expression
CA SCOTUS declines to take the case, 6-1. 3 justices pen a per curiam statement
https://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/C093542S.PDF
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5120867&forum_id=2#45209489) |
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Date: September 21st, 2022 9:15 PM Author: Hairraiser kitchen indirect expression
A better-informed observer might ask: How can the court
pass up this opportunity to review the Court of Appeal’s
interpretation of the Fish and Game Code, which seems so
contrary to common knowledge that bumble bees are not a type
of fish? Doesn’t this clear disconnect necessarily amount to “an
important question of law” (Cal. Rules of Court, rule 8.500(b)(1))warranting this court’s intervention, because the Legislature
could not possibly have intended such a result?
Were things always that simple. Careful analysis of a
statute to divine legislative intent can sometimes yield results
that might seem surprising at first blush. Courts engaged in
this task have interpreted “less” as “more” (Amalgamated
Trans. Loc. 1309 v. Laidlaw Tran. Ser. (9th Cir. 2006) 435 F.3d
1140, 1146) and “unlawful” as “lawful” (Scurto v. LeBlanc (La.
1938) 184 So. 567, 574). Long ago, the United States Supreme
Court concluded that the “seas” referenced in one statute
required no water at all (Murray’s Lessee v. Baker (1818) 16 U.S.
541, 545); quite recently, it determined that a fish is not a
“tangible object” (United States v. Yates (2015) 574 U.S. 528,
536).
These kinds of seemingly illogical outcomes can in fact
best capture the enacting legislature’s intent in a variety of
circumstances. A statute may be construed in a manner that
goes beyond the literal meaning of its text to avoid an absurd
result the legislature could not possibly have contemplated.
Sometimes courts perceive a scrivener’s error or typo that must
be corrected to vindicate the intent behind a measure. Or the
context surrounding the use of a word or phrase within a statute
can convey that it carries an unusual meaning, peculiar to that
law. The Court of Appeal below concluded that the interpretive
question before it fell into the last of these categories, with the
consequence that bumble bees should indeed be regarded as
“fish” under the CESA.
Even if the Court of Appeal arrived at what might
superficially seem like a counterintuitive result, that alone does
not establish that it erred.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5120867&forum_id=2#45209515) |
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