C'ville paper tells ugrads to study @ law library
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Date: December 6th, 2006 9:46 AM Author: twinkling partner forum
You know, because there aren't enough annoying premeds in there while we're trying to study for finals. WTF?
http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064432695&ShowArticle_ID=11040611061164058
Campus spaces we love
Morris Law Library feels cozy, looks elegant
by : C-VILLE Weekly writers
Though consistently ranked at the top of the heap, UVA doesn’t cut it for some ambitious college students who want more than Mr. Jefferson’s manicured lawns, neoclassical architecture and renowned professors. So where can they go to get away from the whole “public school” feel of things? The law school, of course, and its crowning gem, the Arthur J. Morris Law Library.
If you go there at night, you can witness the stately stone columns of the portico-ed entrance, warmly lighted by comfortable, elegant hallways within. Stroll past the portraits of professors and alumni to the library, where oak-paneled walls, gold desk lamps and red leather seating wrap students in a cocoon of pretentiousness. Or climb to the next two levels, where art exhibits, study rooms, and rows upon rows of obscure books fill the enormous space.
There’s always room for more (except, we suppose, during finals), so find your own corner and cozy up with a book some time. If you look closely, you may just find undercover undergrads: A young English major pretending to decipher the intricacies of tort law while actually struggling with Econ 101 or a sorority girl scoping out cute litigators-to-be. So instead of letting the consternated stares and oppressive silence intimidate you, revel in the self-importance and be one with the law library.—Sara Tisdale
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151347) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 9:50 AM Author: Ivory Cruise Ship Halford
"There’s always room for more (except, we suppose, during finals), so find your own corner and cozy up with a book some time. If you look closely, you may just find undercover undergrads: A young English major pretending to decipher the intricacies of tort law while actually struggling with Econ 101 or a sorority girl scoping out cute litigators-to-be. So instead of letting the consternated stares and oppressive silence intimidate you, revel in the self-importance and be one with the law library."
First they send the circus, now the undergrads. It's official: UVA hates the law school.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151366) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 10:01 AM Author: Ivory Cruise Ship Halford
This is in reply to the letter from Jason Hickel ("Impoverishing knowledge," Nov. 17, 2006), the anthropology student who accused the University of funneling tuition dollars from the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences to the School of Law and Darden School of Business.
Had Hickel troubled to inform himself, he would have discovered that both Law and Darden are net contributors to the University's budget. The School of Law, where I am a student, operates under a financial self-sufficiency arrangement whereby the school retains 90 percent of its student tuition and remits 10 percent to the University for administrative functions or redistribution to other schools, including the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences. Last year, this contribution exceeded $3 million.
If the School of Law has money to spare, it is perhaps because it bills students more than $15,000 per semester, compared with the roughly $5,000 and $10,000, respectively, paid by in-state and out-of-state students in the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences. And if faculty salaries are higher and facilities more luxurious at Law and Darden as Hickel points out, it is perhaps because these programs face private sector competition for top talent and receive private sector contributions for their building projects.
Hickel claims that the English and anthropology departments "maintain a devotion to critical social thought in a rich tradition of constructive discontent," while Law and Darden "are churning out soldiers of the status quo."
Without addressing the eye popping ignorance of this statement, it is enough to say that if nurturing the liberal arts requires us to endure the arrogant rants of students who can't even be bothered to get their facts straight, I'm perfectly happy to see Hickel and his like strapped for cash.
Alec Solotorovsky
Law II
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151426) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 10:02 AM Author: Ivory Cruise Ship Halford
When I read the Nov. 17 letter to editor, "Impoverishing Knowledge," (Nov. 17) by Jason Hickel I wondered if it was perhaps "opposite day" at The Cavalier Daily. The letter was striking for its misinformation -- and for having the facts backwards.
What the writer claims -- that the University's graduate schools of business and law are being subsidized by tuition from the College and Graduate School of Arts & Sciences -- is not only wrong, it is opposite to what occurs.The University retains 10 percent of tuition revenues from Darden and Law, a total of $6.2 million in 2006-07, and allocates it directly to the College.
As a result of the sustained aggressive support of its alumni and friends, as well as its tuition revenues, Law and Darden were able move to a financial self-sufficiency model several years ago.
In addition, due to the success of financial self-sufficiency at Law and Darden, others in the University community now benefit. Nearly all state general funds received by the University for base instructional and support costs, salary increases, deferred maintenance, and financial aid are allocated to the general revenues of the University -- to the exclusion of Darden and Law.
The writer, a graduate student in the College, owes a debt of gratitude to his colleagues at Law and Darden.
Carol Wood
Assistant Vice President for Public Affairs
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151430) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 10:03 AM Author: Ivory Cruise Ship Halford
A recent letter to the editor fromimplied that the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences subsidizes the Law School (Jason Hickely "Impoverishing knowledge," Nov. 17,). That is not true. The Law School is financially self-sufficient and receives no subsidy from the University. On the contrary, the Law School pays all its own expenses and contributes 10 percent of tuition dollars to the University. These funds are available to defray the cost of University administration or to redistribute to other schools. This year, the Law School's contribute to the rest of the University will exceed $3 million.
Inadequate funding for the Graduate School of Ars & Sciences should be of concern to all, but the Law School is part of the solution, not part of the problem.
John Jeffries
Dean, School of Law
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151437) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 10:04 AM Author: Ivory Cruise Ship Halford
It shocked me to discover that the University's budgetary commitments exhibit such an skewed distribution of resources between its various graduate and professional-level programs. The Graduate School of Arts and Sciences actually receives less funding than the sum of its students' tuition. Where does the difference go? Straight to the professional schools -- business and law.
This arrangement effectively siphons money away from GSAS only to funnel it into the already-brimming coffers of the professional schools.
Budgets are always political -- and moral -- documents. They speak volumes about the priorities and convictions of an institution. In this case, it is clear that the University cares vastly more for its investments in the professional schools than it does in the sciences, arts and humanities.
One needn't look far for corroborating evidence. A quick comparison of faculty salaries by department will suffice, for example, or a tour through Darden's sumptuous, slate and mahogany-tiled corridors. This is hardly surprising, of course; the opulence of Darden and U.Va. Law makes for a fancy feather in the University's cap, an emblem of its growing prestige. But at what expense? While the English and Anthropology departments -- the two most poorly funded on Grounds -- maintain a devotion to critical social thought in a rich tradition of constructive discontent, our professional schools are churning out soldiers of the status quo.
And it is the latter enterprise around which the University's priorities are oriented, with the apparent goal of reducing itself to a trade school for the privileged elite.
Jason Hickel
GSAS
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151444) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 11:40 AM Author: twinkling partner forum
"Having spent my life suspended between two quite disparate localities - Swaziland and the US - I have found in anthropology the conceptual tools with which to think critically about the complex field of power that exists between them, in which I have always been unwittingly entangled."
Proof positive that knowing how to write is not a prerequisite for grad programs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7152068) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 9:54 AM Author: 180 jet digit ratio
How long until the law school retaliates?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151388) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 6:27 PM Author: Ivory Cruise Ship Halford
The library staff is mostly old ladies and librarians. Could you force someone a quarter of your age to leave?
The problem is much more law students that are irked, but don't do anything to solve the problem.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7155779) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 9:57 AM Author: Gaped trip base prole Subject: On a related note
Actual conversation I overheard at my law library:
Librarian: "Excuse me, are you a law student?"
Student: "Yes."
Librarian: "What year are you?"
Student: "I'm a senior."
Librarian: "Get out of the law library."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151406) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 10:02 AM Author: cracking juggernaut
haha
the preftige gap must really infuriate the law students too
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151428) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 10:14 AM Author: gold doctorate
should i come study in the law library? u guys can cover 4 me, rite?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151477) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 10:15 AM Author: mind-boggling home
Undergrads study?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151484) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 10:52 AM Author: greedy judgmental tank
i thought at most law libraries they check IDs after a certain hour
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7151702) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 12:04 PM Author: gold doctorate
the library.
studying.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7152317) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 12:06 PM Author: vibrant public bath
What did you want to talk to me about the other day?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7152334)
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Date: December 6th, 2006 12:02 PM Author: Wonderful Whorehouse Boistinker
I got kicked out of the Cornell law library once when I was in ugrad there. The librarian actually came up to me and gave me a note saying that if I didn't leave the campus police were going to escort me out. So I left.
I thought it was pretty unfair - I wasn't taking up an space (there were tons of empty desks all around me) and it was the last-ish days of finals, so fewer people were around. Also the rules were dumb - I could be there until 5, but not after, which seemed pretty arbitrary to me.
I'm still bitter.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7152291) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 12:06 PM Author: Adventurous range
half the guys I knew in ls studied in the ugrad library. it was full of hot babes and relatively empty of stressed-out 1Ls. the rest studied at various starbucks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7152336) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 12:23 PM Author: Ivory Cruise Ship Halford
On a completely unrelated note, does anyone know why all the little "reserved for law students" signs disappeared from every study space except the library?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7152509) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: cerebral school
I only study in the undergrad library. It is actually a lot nicer and more well lit. Plus, there are no stressed out law school douches complaining, and there are insanely hot chicks running around everywhere. And it is actually quiet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7153273) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 1:47 PM Author: Fragrant philosopher-king theater stage
I have swam through libraries and sailed through oceans
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7153288) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 3:12 PM Author: vivacious ruby organic girlfriend milk
Why is it ok for law students to study in the ug library, but not for ugs to study in the law library? Is it because there are many more ugs than law students? Do b-school and med school libraries have similar rules to prevent overcrowding?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7154063) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 7:11 PM Author: turquoise apoplectic jew
"The stereotype is that it's sorority girls there to meet future lawyers, and there's definitely more than a grain of truth to it."
This seems like a better reason to let ugrads in than if they were there to actually study.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7156090) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 7:19 PM Author: Ivory Cruise Ship Halford
Dude where you an hour ago? Someone started a nasty thread about me :-(
I just saw you leave -- library or home?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7156141) |
Date: December 6th, 2006 7:45 PM Author: hyperventilating histrionic giraffe
Last year in the UVA Law library I saw one of those "Reserved for law students" cards had the "law" crossed out and handwritten "engineering" filled in. WTF? I mean they disrespect our rules enough to march in here, and then they mock the rules and think the whole thing is a joke?? Fucking illegals.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7156312) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 8:12 PM Author: Mewling set
You'd better be reading a case book when I walk by you.
(This is meant for Cav302.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7156535) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 8:23 PM Author: gold doctorate
i'm bringing as many ugrads as my car will hold.
watch out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7156619) |
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Date: December 6th, 2006 8:29 PM Author: gold doctorate
i think you're lying.
if you bother me and and ugrad friends tomorrow, i will bring UJC charges against you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7156656) |
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Date: December 7th, 2006 5:39 PM Author: Adventurous range
nice
Alexa Minnocci (UConn) wrote
at 11:00pm on December 4th, 2006
haha i am DEF that undergrad
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=540348&forum_id=2#7163429) |
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