Why don't blacks value education?
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:01 PM Author: Titillating Talking Windowlicker
this is one of the biggest justifications for AA. my question is: why don't blacks value education? seems like something blacks as well as everyone else should value.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7242842) |
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:02 PM Author: Vivacious dead private investor
It should be an argument against AA if anything.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7242848) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:27 PM Author: Vivacious dead private investor
And that justifies, on a case-by-case basis, shortchanging an equally qualified, equally economically disadvantaged, non-minority student who values education? HORSESHIT.
AA = exploitation of white guilt, reverse racism, and a further hindrance to a colorblind society
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243049) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:36 PM Author: milky rigpig
me too.
embarrassing. sitting in library
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243655) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:55 PM Author: iridescent national
Education would lift any poor person out of poverty. Not only blacks are impoverished.
EDIT: Except for MadCat.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243310) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:47 PM Author: Vivacious dead private investor
"no,"
Good. We can agree on something.
"This is pretty obvious."
An obvious thought, yes. An obvious result -- oh hell no.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243240) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:31 PM Author: iridescent national
I think everyone knows that doctors and lawyers make bank. That's on TV.
Okay, so they suck on the LSAT. How is that anyone else's problem?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243615) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:47 PM Author: arrogant jade scourge upon the earth
As much as we've gone back and forth on this--I never bagged on anyone for taking the best opportunity open to them.
Just because I think AA is a bad policy doesn't mean I think you should pass it up. Onlya moron would do that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243760) |
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:02 PM Author: Shimmering partner
poverty --> ignorance --> poverty
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7242849) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:51 PM Author: Vivacious dead private investor
Who doesn't know about this aspect of black culture, you fucking twit?
Black leaders have been railing against this mindset for years. It's practically a moot point.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243273) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:00 PM Author: Titillating Talking Windowlicker
rap culture is so ubiquitous that it might as well be black culture.
oh, and you're definitely black. why are you ashamed of your race?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243358) |
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:05 PM Author: razzle-dazzle headpube round eye
why doesn't america value education more? internationally, we don't do so well.
surely, poverty -> ignorance -> poverty can't explain this one.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7242870) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:31 PM Author: Flushed Native
There's no point. I'm telling you, I myself am black and from a middle class family. I went to college, my parents went to college, my siblings are in college, my cousins are in college. Most middle class black families I know are similar. Most ghetto poor black families I know are not.
It's a product of being poor, not being black. Anti-intellectualism is not a tenet of black culture. HTH.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243086) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:33 PM Author: Flushed Native
LOL you're an idiot. My "anecdotes" are better base for my standing than what you have - MTV.
This is obviously flame anyways. Carry on!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243099) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:01 PM Author: ebony nursing home
"your anecdotes don't change anything, sorry."
translation: your life experiences mean nothing. us yt know whats best for you blackies
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243853) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:08 PM Author: Idiotic abode
"also, check out black enterprise 100's. it's a listing of top black owned businesses (theres at least 2000 in there and they all have revenues well into the 7-8-9 figures )."
please read carefully next time. also, youre assuming that the owner/ceo of those companies are the only ones making any big bucks. most black owned companies have primarily black executive management, so at each one of those companies im willing to bet there are at least 20 others who are very educated/making 6 figures+.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243435) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:52 PM Author: aqua know-it-all foreskin
What school does he go to?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7244301)
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:48 PM Author: Henna odious mediation Subject: 1111
"false. most rich blacks are sports stars or entertainers. they're not doctors, politicians, lawyers or business people. "
false, depending on your definition of rich
post proof or you're flame bait
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243766) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:52 PM Author: Bateful cordovan spot telephone
"blacks don't value education"
Do you know any rich blacks?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243284) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:46 PM Author: arrogant jade scourge upon the earth
How can you make the assumption that the underperformance is due to undervaluing?
Do you also assume Asians never win at track because they don't value speed?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243237) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:50 PM Author: Titillating Talking Windowlicker
"How can you make the assumption that the underperformance is due to undervaluing?"
there are more blacks in jail and in the NBA and on MTV than there are in college. the conclusion is obvious to those who are open to see it.
"Do you also assume Asians never win at track because they don't value speed?"
makes absolutely no sense. it would make sense if instead of "speed" you had written "athletics"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243264) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:54 PM Author: arrogant jade scourge upon the earth
hahahhahhaha
Thanks.....
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243299) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:37 PM Author: Cream exhilarant lodge party of the first part
Horrid analogy. In fact, it does more to prove than to rebut the previous poster's point.
Jail = jail
College (large # of individuals) [not =] CEOs, top laywers, and doctors (exclusive group).
Fuck, I apologize if I missed the sarcasm.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243672) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:34 PM Author: ebony nursing home
it has been studied. over and over.
whites should do better on a test that measures what they deem valuable. or are you arguing the criterion measured on the SAT is purely objective? the criterion is subjectively chosen, even if objectively measured.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243639) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:46 PM Author: Henna odious mediation Subject: 1111111111
"On the SAT, whites perform far, far better than blacks of the exact same income level.
In fact, wealthy blacks who have grown up with opportunity average lower SAT scores than whites who grow up in poverty. Perhaps blacks are inherently less intelligent? It's something to consider/study. "
Prove it or you're flame bait
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243749) |
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:19 PM Author: Stimulating bossy trump supporter plaza
Because rapping and/or selling drugs makes you MONEY NOW!
FREAKONOMICS really needs to be turned into a movie and shown on BET. Repeatedly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7242975) |
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:28 PM Author: Titillating Talking Windowlicker
so anyway what's the reason?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243062) |
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:28 PM Author: 180 spruce boltzmann
Sounds like a fruitful debate at some colloquium at Howard; not so much on XOXO
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:43 PM Author: Curious useless deer antler
Why don't whites value tolerance?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243199) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:51 PM Author: Dashing tattoo locale
titcr.
Whites are the LEAST racist race in America.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243271) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:52 PM Author: arrogant jade scourge upon the earth
It's an interesting idea, that we should be tolerant and inclusive, but such tolerance is typically top-down. Try showing up with your golf pants to a southside poolhall and see how many people invite you to their table for a game of Moon.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243288)
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:41 PM Author: brindle apoplectic kitchen sweet tailpipe
Um, you're proving my point. Those are only a few places in this entire country where you can find an abundance of blacks. You couldn't go to North Dakota or Madison Wisconsin or Maine and see a sizeable black population.
My point is that whites have the luxury of moving anywhere in the country without having to think about whether theres enough whites there.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7244189)
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:53 PM Author: Idiotic abode
hah i tried at least. however, you won and are correct.
Edit: but aside from that, what other benefits? of course you have the driving while black and that kind of stuff, but what "real" benefits other than seeing an abundance of your own kind?
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:24 PM Author: ebony nursing home
"They seem to have an easier time with women, but that's about it"
I disagree, but you are asian..
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7244027) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:24 PM Author: brindle apoplectic kitchen sweet tailpipe
Correct, there are probably more poor whites in this country than there are Black people.
(ie. Poor Whites> 33 million black people.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7244029) |
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:43 PM Author: excitant quadroon immigrant
EDIT: I wonder, if on average, blacks have higher internal discount rates? Meaning they pursue less years of education, on average.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243205)
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:49 PM Author: aqua know-it-all foreskin
Possibly because in a culture where nobody has much education, it is seen as "selling out" to want to go to school or continue your education. You are not "keeping it real" and are ostracized, so the few who do value education suppress it in order to fit in.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243263) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:02 PM Author: arrogant jade scourge upon the earth
I would agree with this.
Luckily we have all those high-achieving African countries to look to for evidence of a sociological explanation.
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:33 PM Author: arrogant jade scourge upon the earth Subject: Nice try though
Equatorial Guinea is the smallest country, in terms of population, in continental Africa (Seychelles and São Tomé and Príncipe are smaller). It is also the smallest United Nations member from continental Africa, and the smallest Spanish-speaking country in the world. The discovery of sizeable oil reserves changed the history of the country in recent years.
Despite a per capita GDP (PPP) of more than US$30,000 [9] (CIA Factbook $50,200[10]) which is as of 2006 the second highest in the world, after Luxembourg Equatorial Guinea ranks 121st out of 177 countries on the United Nations Human Development Index
A huge proportion of the £370 million revenue is confiscated by the president while most of the 500,000 subjects subsist on less than a dollar a day
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:44 PM Author: arrogant jade scourge upon the earth
In the sense of the Beverly Hillbillies or someone winning the lottery, they're high achieving, yes.
But we both know that's not what we're discussing, right?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243728)
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:45 PM Author: arrogant jade scourge upon the earth
In the sense of the Beverly Hillbillies or someone winning the lottery, they're high achieving, yes.
But we both know that's not what we're discussing, right?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243739)
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Date: December 17th, 2006 4:54 PM Author: Dashing tattoo locale
Bill Cosby is a true leader.
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: Dashing tattoo locale
WGWAG
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:16 PM Author: iridescent national
Because blacks are racist. They hate anything white, they think education is white, therefore they hate education and anyone that pursues it. If they worried a little more about being successful than about "keepin' it real" or avoiding being "whitewashed" it would solve 99% of racial problems in this country.
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:17 PM Author: Dashing tattoo locale
WGWAG
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:21 PM Author: iridescent national
Can someone explain to me why any whites or Asians would ever support AA? I see why blacks would support it - its a free handout.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243537) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:44 PM Author: Light chapel blood rage
i'm racist; you're asian; jews are trash; life ain't fair and all that jazz.
edit: hey look, i just made a rap. pretty sweet.
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:41 PM Author: Titillating Talking Windowlicker
"What does this have to do with racial AA?"
premise: few blacks are (adequately) educated at this point. most are violent and live in slums.
goal: educate MORE americans.
AA: educates MORE blacks.
no AA: we educate FEWER blacks, but the overall number of whites and asians who get educated stays roughly the same.
"AA is about how to assign limited slots in top schools."
false. AA applies to all schools, not just the top ones.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=547854&forum_id=2#7243706) |
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:46 PM Author: iridescent national
This makes no sense. Yes, educate more blacks but at the expense of whites and Asians. We have a limited number of slots in higher education, especially as we get to better schools. If we didn't there wouldn't be an issue.
Take any individual slot - before a white or Asian person would have received it, now a black person does. Its zero sum. You took it away from one person in the country and gave it to another. Therefore, it does nothing to "educate the population of the US."
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:08 PM Author: iridescent national
So if a black person doesn't get into a top school they won't go but a white or Asian will? That's absolutely false. If I didn't get into a top law school I would have chosen another profession or not bothered. There's also the fact that Cooley and the like are filled with blacks. So this doesn't make any sense.
In terms of schools at the bottom, if someone fails to get into a TTT, then they're screwed - white, Asian, black, native American, Hispanic, etc.
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:40 PM Author: Magical nofapping hell
because they are inherently lazy.
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Date: December 17th, 2006 5:43 PM Author: Anal razzle space
because it's seen as something White. poor black people HATE successful white people. getting an education and getting a good job is seen as wanting to be white..
on some level they're right. in order for an ambitious poor black kid to earn an education and a good job he's going to have to change a LOT... the way he talks, the way he thinks, the way he lives... by the end of it, he has arguably accepted a large set of values and customs believed and practiced predominantly by successful whites (who do not even seem that well off despite incredible material wealth).
in a way it's a lose-lose situation, and slacking off in school and staying in the hood is much easier (if by some miracle it's not the only possibility), so that's usually happens.
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:17 PM Author: iridescent national
There are also whites like Weird Al Yankovich and Asians like Jet Li. But they're the exception to the rule, and its a terrible idea to base a culture around those exceptions. Most successful people are lawyers, doctors, businessmen, engineers, scientists, and academics, all of which are required to be smart, articulate, and hard-working.
I can't believe you see nothing wrong with the current path of black America - its been a complete disaster. You're talking the poorest, least educated, most crime ridden, shortest living portion of population despite tons of handouts. Smart, hardworking, and articulate isn't subjective. Smart is IQ, hardworking is work ethic, articulate - look at top academics, writers, etc. As for inarticulate blacks with no education who make good money dealing only with other blacks, how? Doing what?
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Date: December 17th, 2006 7:10 PM Author: ebony nursing home
contractors, real estate agents, consultants, small business owners, personal management, real estate brokers, advisors, blah blah and on and on
articulate can mean the ability to communicate with people who only know ebonics or improper english. being articulate might mean that you can communicate with the upper middle class as well as the lower class. smart has nothing to do with IQ see James Kim, and the numurous blacks that have never taken a standardized test but could hustle you into the ground with their business savvy. I do agree that hard work is universal. However, in corperate america hard work might mean swallowing your pride or eating crow or kissing ass, some blacks choose not to go that route, it does not mean they are not hardworking. Trust me, I know scores of successful blacks, personally that do not deal too much with white people, do not have "education", and are very intelligent to me, though I would never talk with them about a book I've read because they probably don't read much other than books that can help them make money, and they probably wouldnt "test" that well either, but I'm just speculating.
black america is not a complete disaster. black people have overcome alot and are still growing. Its only been forty years since black people were given the right to vote, be employed, and live in certain neigborhoods. cut some slack. not everyone can be a lucky wang
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:06 PM Author: Cocky Sneaky Criminal
Whites succeeded in eradicating the appreciation among many blacks for education over he course of centuries by denying black slaves education and severely punishing any who sought to acquire it. They even murdered to ensure that blacks did not have the opportunities to educate themselves. Blacks adapted by shifting the focus to non-academic, vocational ways to uplift themselves. Many of these types of skills are now obsolete.
Even when blacks achieved education under difficult circumstances, whites worked through discrimination in schools and on the job to ensure that they would not enjoy the benefit that would accrue to educated blacks had they been white.
The futility of advancing and protecting themselves by getting an education is a lesson that was taught over the course of generations. Habits inculcated through force, fraud and habit do not disappear after a few decades with the passage of Civil Rights Acts.
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Date: December 17th, 2006 6:42 PM Author: Exciting Site
because they are not good at school, it is thus not really a feasible path in life.
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Date: January 5th, 2007 6:36 PM Author: Amber Angry Stage
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