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entire Ukraine front line is collapsing

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provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin
  02/26/24
fyi, this is all Russia has taken: https://static01.nyt.c...
Startled Disturbing Private Investor
  02/27/24
180
talented mediation
  02/26/24
Ukrainians openly talking about losing Kharkov now. Second l...
citrine lodge brethren
  02/26/24
not flame
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
that would be sweet
Ruddy anal nursing home
  02/27/24
took the commies two years, but you have to hand it to the R...
chestnut meetinghouse
  02/27/24
...
Ruddy anal nursing home
  02/27/24
...
provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin
  02/27/24
ARE reptile has made this thread dozens of times. during Kha...
hyperventilating fragrant menage
  02/27/24
AR is at least entertaining tmf is just a retarded sticki...
laughsome kitchen
  02/27/24
I've explained many times. Ukraine is quite literally runni...
citrine lodge brethren
  02/27/24
(humorless fag who still can’t explain how Russia conq...
laughsome kitchen
  02/27/24
By killing every last Hahol. That is how wars are historical...
Arousing jade gaping
  02/27/24
This is an attritional war. The only example that matters is...
Arousing jade gaping
  02/27/24
ARE reptile was right. Ukraine has no strategy for winning, ...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
Their hope is on weird wildcards. Putin dies and somehow a ...
citrine lodge brethren
  02/27/24
I thought Ukraine scored a big win when they sank the Moskva...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
TDNW said their new strategy is to dig in and just defend fo...
provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin
  02/27/24
it's a cr strategy b/c Ukraine has an infinite population
tan hominid
  02/27/24
My favorite part is that all these "pro-Ukrainians"...
citrine lodge brethren
  02/27/24
To be fair, TDNW is *literally* on record saying that the...
Dashing Preventive Strike Chapel
  02/27/24
Russia, on the offensive, has every intention of making Ukra...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
get out of my thread you ugly eunuch
provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin
  02/27/24
Putin's collusion/collaboration/complicity and ultimate conq...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
Voters are split over who was POTUS when Russia won
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
yes, in a democracy they are the minority, while the majorit...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
So we don’t need to throw $60B down a pit anymore? Gr...
Bipolar location toilet seat
  02/27/24
There's still a full court press for that. It's not affected...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
the aide is not needed for military purposes, but to keep th...
provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin
  02/27/24
I don’t think US taxpayers should be paying to prop up...
Bipolar location toilet seat
  02/27/24
It really is probably about pensions and government salaries...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
learning from Iraq, maintenance of a stable civilian class i...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
Yes, meanwhile strong states likes like Russia can militariz...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
totalitarianism and military dictatorships have its advantag...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
99% of humanity has lived under some form authoritarianism f...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
Some people believe in natural rights and freedom over tyran...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
Those people lived under authoritarian governments and took ...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
From Jefferson to Lincoln to George Orwell, freedom is a cho...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
No one outside of America cares about Jefferson or Lincoln y...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
Putin and his corollary Trump will bring forth a new death o...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
What freedoms are you afraid of losing, faggot?
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
for women: loss of abortion rights for ethnic minorities ...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
No please go on. So far I don't know why you even brought up...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
for LGBTQ: the loss of the freedom to live without persecuti...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
Ok, they already have that. What do you need $60bn for?
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
the same freedom we stood for during WWI and WWII: "...
embarrassed to the bone set
  02/27/24
Didn't Ukraine just cancel elections?
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
To be fair, LOL KIKE Sounds great to me
Dashing Preventive Strike Chapel
  02/27/24
Most of it will be spent on us arms, didn't you know? So it'...
Know-it-all home incel
  02/27/24
Wtf I love pure unadulterated Dick Cheney style MIC graft no...
Bipolar location toilet seat
  02/27/24
this is why EUcucks are talking abt seing euro troops there,...
cracking crackhouse
  02/27/24
lol
provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin
  02/27/24
aren't ukrainians just russians anyways? they are geneticall...
Ultramarine seedy abode
  02/27/24
They are Russians with self-inflicted amnesia who forgot how...
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
tbf russians dont know how to fight a war beyond 'throw bodi...
Ultramarine seedy abode
  02/27/24
Have you seen a pic of the V-280?
Splenetic theater
  02/27/24
To be fair, True, and yet it seems to work pretty well fo...
Dashing Preventive Strike Chapel
  02/27/24
They've advanced about 8 miles west of Advika since its fall...
Bateful dead trust fund alpha
  02/27/24
link?
charismatic den round eye
  02/27/24
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awkward community account patrolman
  02/27/24
Reminder: this is what the “front” looks like: ...
Startled Disturbing Private Investor
  02/27/24
Topographic maps what are they?
Splenetic theater
  03/02/24
...
provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin
  03/02/24


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Date: February 26th, 2024 10:44 PM
Author: provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin

crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47442200)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:55 PM
Author: Startled Disturbing Private Investor

fyi, this is all Russia has taken:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/02/25/us/ukraine-maps-promo-1645801007862/ukraine-maps-promo-1645801007862-videoSixteenByNine3000-v6.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444859)



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Date: February 26th, 2024 10:45 PM
Author: talented mediation

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47442201)



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Date: February 26th, 2024 10:46 PM
Author: citrine lodge brethren

Ukrainians openly talking about losing Kharkov now. Second largest city in Ukraine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47442204)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 9:47 AM
Author: Splenetic theater

not flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443053)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:52 PM
Author: Ruddy anal nursing home

that would be sweet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444841)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:46 AM
Author: chestnut meetinghouse

took the commies two years, but you have to hand it to the Russians when it comes to retard strength

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47442643)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:52 PM
Author: Ruddy anal nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444843)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 9:47 AM
Author: provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443052)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 9:54 AM
Author: hyperventilating fragrant menage

ARE reptile has made this thread dozens of times. during Kharkiv offensive he was silent. during Kherson offensive he wept.

Chasiv Yar is hardly Dnipro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443078)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 9:56 AM
Author: laughsome kitchen

AR is at least entertaining

tmf is just a retarded sticking to his MAXIMALIST war aims without any explanation as to how Russia could possible achieve them beyond "it will be done"

he seems like the biggest humorless faggot imaginable and it's no surprise he has a soulless corporate wagecuck job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443082)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:23 PM
Author: citrine lodge brethren

I've explained many times. Ukraine is quite literally running out of bodies to throw into the grinder. Even Western sources acknowledge this. I've pointed out that this was inevitable since the beginning of the war and your response was that Ukraine would win before they ran out of troops, that dumb Russians couldn't produce anything and would be out of everything within a few months. It is now 2 years later and you turned out to be wrong. Instead, they are far better equipped than they were early in the war and continue to ramp up. Meanwhile, Ukraine is largely out of a variety of ammo and equipment, on top of the manpower shortage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443886)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:07 PM
Author: laughsome kitchen

(humorless fag who still can’t explain how Russia conquers Ukraine)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444386)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 8:45 PM
Author: Arousing jade gaping

By killing every last Hahol. That is how wars are historically won.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47445547)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: Arousing jade gaping

This is an attritional war. The only example that matters is Verdun. The territorial gains don’t matter. Germany spent all of WW1 owning huge swathes of France. They basically never fought inside Germany. What matters is how many Hahols die and how few Russians. This is a a war to the last Hahol. Territory gains are nice and we will take them and we will happily conscript new soldiers from any Hahols who stay on the captured territories but all that matters is stacking corpses. Hahols will be out of fighting age men very soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443096)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: Splenetic theater

ARE reptile was right. Ukraine has no strategy for winning, and no hope.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443099)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:26 PM
Author: citrine lodge brethren

Their hope is on weird wildcards. Putin dies and somehow a Western cocksucker rules Russia. There was even a name associated with the role of "Western cocksucker" and that was Navalny, but we all know how that turned out.

They also declare victories based on whatever strike that Russia quickly repairs. For example, however long ago they hit the Crimea bridge and declared that Russia was totally fucked, that the war was OVER and they had to retreat. Or they hit an ammo depot and declare that Russia is now out of ammo. Or recently they hit a steel plant and declared that Russia is now going to be out of steel. But all of it aims to say "just a few more months and THEN you'll see that we AKTUALLY won!" When their prior predictions inevitably and often quickly turn out to be bullshit they are immediately memory holed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443890)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:39 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

I thought Ukraine scored a big win when they sank the Moskva, but they never followed up. Every other attack they've carried out has been a pinprick compared to that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444273)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:29 PM
Author: provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin

TDNW said their new strategy is to dig in and just defend forever ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443903)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:48 PM
Author: tan hominid

it's a cr strategy b/c Ukraine has an infinite population

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443987)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:22 PM
Author: citrine lodge brethren

My favorite part is that all these "pro-Ukrainians" assume that they all want to die for NATO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444211)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:48 PM
Author: Dashing Preventive Strike Chapel

To be fair,

TDNW is *literally* on record saying that the reason why Western sources generally breathlessly report Russian casualties will failing to mention Ukrainian casualties is that "Ukrainian casualties don't matter." Literally.

That's the level of intellect and honesty that we're dealing with here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444825)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:27 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

Russia, on the offensive, has every intention of making Ukraine a major divisive issue in the upcoming Trump re-election

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443896)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:34 PM
Author: provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin

get out of my thread you ugly eunuch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443911)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:46 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

Putin's collusion/collaboration/complicity and ultimate conquest of America through the guise of Donald Trump will be studied by historians in the future Century of Russia/China/Iran.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443973)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:52 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

Voters are split over who was POTUS when Russia won

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444022)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:56 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

yes, in a democracy they are the minority, while the majority obeys the Constitution and the government of laws electing the legitimate POTUS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444048)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:49 PM
Author: Bipolar location toilet seat

So we don’t need to throw $60B down a pit anymore? Great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47443994)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:41 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

There's still a full court press for that. It's not affected by events on the ground. McConnell wants it done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444277)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:46 PM
Author: provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin

the aide is not needed for military purposes, but to keep the Ukrainian government running. If they can't keep the government running, then the entire war effort collapses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444295)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:47 PM
Author: Bipolar location toilet seat

I don’t think US taxpayers should be paying to prop up a government that would not otherwise be viable

Zelensky shouldn’t cancel elections for three years in a row

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444300)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:12 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

It really is probably about pensions and government salaries. They can get away with stiffing the troops but not the government workers, and then I guess they gotta keep the lights on and pay doctors and shit over there lol. Look at their recent efforts to smuggle wheat through Poland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444408)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:16 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

learning from Iraq, maintenance of a stable civilian class is essential to fragile states

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444420)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:19 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

Yes, meanwhile strong states likes like Russia can militarize their population.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444431)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:24 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

totalitarianism and military dictatorships have its advantages-- now more than ever is the time for Putin to play his hand



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444450)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:28 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

99% of humanity has lived under some form authoritarianism for 99% of human history. People like you are like bugs who get stepped on. No one cares.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444467)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:37 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

Some people believe in natural rights and freedom over tyranny. Sounds trite, but true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444505)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:38 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

Those people lived under authoritarian governments and took them for granted and thought they were justified. Even John Locke was a proponent of monarchy. You're an illiterate imbecile who has never read any of those authors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444510)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:43 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

From Jefferson to Lincoln to George Orwell, freedom is a choice by the individual.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444534)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:45 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

No one outside of America cares about Jefferson or Lincoln you stupid bitch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444540)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:49 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

Putin and his corollary Trump will bring forth a new death of freedom, oh for sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444558)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:29 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

What freedoms are you afraid of losing, faggot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444721)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:41 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

for women: loss of abortion rights

for ethnic minorities and poors: loss of civil rights

for all Americans: loss of voting rights when Trump reverses free elections

I could go on but I won't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444793)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:43 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

No please go on. So far I don't know why you even brought up natural rights if this is really just about abortion and gay marriage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444801)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:45 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

for LGBTQ: the loss of the freedom to live without persecution, anxiety, and death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444812)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:46 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

Ok, they already have that. What do you need $60bn for?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444816)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:50 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone set

the same freedom we stood for during WWI and WWII:

"four freedoms" - the freedom of speech, the freedom of worship, the freedom from want, and the freedom from fear - symbolized America's war aims and gave hope in the following years to a war-wearied people because they knew they were fighting for freedom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444831)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 9:20 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

Didn't Ukraine just cancel elections?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47445636)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:49 PM
Author: Dashing Preventive Strike Chapel

To be fair,

LOL KIKE

Sounds great to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444827)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:51 PM
Author: Know-it-all home incel

Most of it will be spent on us arms, didn't you know? So it's basically like paying ourselves with the money. Duh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444308)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:15 PM
Author: Bipolar location toilet seat

Wtf I love pure unadulterated Dick Cheney style MIC graft now!

- Libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444418)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:45 PM
Author: cracking crackhouse

this is why EUcucks are talking abt seing euro troops there, its of course casue ukraine is winning massively and the EU troops need to go there to plan the victory parties and stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444292)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:46 PM
Author: provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444298)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:10 PM
Author: Ultramarine seedy abode

aren't ukrainians just russians anyways? they are genetically identical or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444394)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:22 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

They are Russians with self-inflicted amnesia who forgot how to fight a war.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444438)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:24 PM
Author: Ultramarine seedy abode

tbf russians dont know how to fight a war beyond 'throw bodies at it' like in world war z

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444449)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:42 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

Have you seen a pic of the V-280?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444529)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:54 PM
Author: Dashing Preventive Strike Chapel

To be fair,

True, and yet it seems to work pretty well for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444856)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:31 PM
Author: Bateful dead trust fund alpha

They've advanced about 8 miles west of Advika since its fall, and that's the only part of the line showing any substantive advancement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444478)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:31 PM
Author: charismatic den round eye

link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444480)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:44 PM
Author: awkward community account patrolman

ARE Reptile's newsletter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444536)



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Date: February 27th, 2024 4:54 PM
Author: Startled Disturbing Private Investor

Reminder: this is what the “front” looks like:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/02/25/us/ukraine-maps-promo-1645801007862/ukraine-maps-promo-1645801007862-videoSixteenByNine3000-v6.jpg

They have a ways to go to get to Kiev

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496399&forum_id=2#47444855)



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Date: March 2nd, 2024 5:32 PM
Author: Splenetic theater

Topographic maps what are they?

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Date: March 2nd, 2024 5:30 PM
Author: provocative self-absorbed mother foreskin



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