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The Framers would be absolutely aghast at the modern attempt to accommodate
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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:36 AM Author: razzle stage mental disorder every global point of view within our political system. The idea that there would be anyone with an affinity for Israel, Palestine, Russia, or Ukraine would be beyond the scope of anything they were capable of envisioning.
How can you have a functional country with such little allegiance to a common cause and no patriotism for our own country. A nation divided cannot stand. |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:40 AM Author: submissive low-t cuckoldry Lawyers are scum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442532) |
Date: February 27th, 2024 1:38 AM Author: poppy fragrant indian lodge they would also disband the US military, void any and all foreign treaties and have congress be in session for about two weeks
they were wiser than us |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:55 AM Author: razzle stage mental disorder When the Constitution went into effect the Department of Justice had 1 employee, the Attorney General, and he worked part time.
We have to go back. |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:20 AM Author: poppy fragrant indian lodge we should require that all legal documents be drafted in ink by hand and by the signer, so many problems solved (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442523) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:06 AM Author: Nofapping preventive strike spot Also they must use their own blood as ink. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442537) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:18 AM Author: razzle stage mental disorder The blood of lawyers actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442553) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:42 AM Author: slippery private investor its been that way for years now. if you told them men squealing like stuck pigs while getting sodomized would be a big issue they might even just cock tap each other and laugh. if you told them that marriage would be a hyper-complicated cause of action that required the common-folk to retain lawyers to even know what they were getting into theyd be confused. and if you told them that men squealing like stuck pigs while getting sodomized while getting married would be a supreme court thing theyd probably just go back to work and fix the constitution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442501) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 1:42 AM Author: Concupiscible Antidepressant Drug Home Link a passage to this effect in the Federalist Papers or something like that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442502) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:33 AM Author: Amethyst razzle-dazzle half-breed Why do people try to ascertain what the framers would think about every issue? It’s a totally different world and they’d likely have different opinions than they did back when they were facing a very different set of issues. There’s little chance the framers would have ever gotten involved in world war 2, for example, but I think most Americans are proud of that involvement. Many framers would probably have been on the south’s side in their right to secede. Etc etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442528) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:34 AM Author: poppy fragrant indian lodge are you trying to lose this argument on purpose? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442530) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:35 AM Author: Amethyst razzle-dazzle half-breed The world doesn’t function like it used to man. It’s not because we just lost our way. Technology changed things. Then civilization adapted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442531) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 2:58 AM Author: razzle stage mental disorder This is objectively false. The Framers knew far more than we did about life, death, God, the meaning of it all. People had far greater average intelligence than we do now. Their views are were extraordinarily measured and ahead of their time.
Meanwhile we live in an era of weak willed stupid people who are easily led astray into poorly decisions and horrible life outcomes. The same people who cannot get their lives together today are the same ones violating the principles of the Enlightenment. We were far smarter then than we are now.
The Framers did not envision a stagnant society that never changed. They just believed that if we were ever going to make major changes that we would be constantly amending the Constitution or fighting more revolutions. What they truly failed to predict was this massive deep state bureaucracy and the unwillingness of people to decisive leaders willing to lead. They could not imagine how modern people would simply do nothing, refuse to act and kick the can down the line. They would have insisted we actually run on principles and hash out serious issues and if the two sides were too far apart, fight another war. Anything but this!!! |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 3:37 AM Author: Amethyst razzle-dazzle half-breed Of course the framers were very smart and wise dudes. I wish they were still alive. My point is that they’d likely have different things to say if they lived today than they did back then. The issues are different. The world is different. It’s stupid to mindlessly apply someone’s response to a different set of issues to the issues of today. It would also be stupid to ignore history. But the idea that we can just turn the clock back is ridiculous and something that I don’t think they’d advocate even if they were alive today. Btw acting like they are some infallible godlike figures is also retarded - they were the right dudes for the right time but America is in many ways an accident of good fortune. The average American today is objectively less impressive than the avg in many other countries. Americans are largely fat and dumb and lazy and entitled. That won’t be changed by going back to the same government that existed after founding. Seems like there’s a whole class of people that are pissed about the decline of America and blame it on the government. It’s the people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47442584) |
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Date: February 27th, 2024 10:09 AM Author: razzle stage mental disorder I agree it's the people who suck. But the government also sucks. The point of originalism isn't that we go back to exactly how things were in 1789, but that we honor that the law says what it says and is taken how it was meant to be taken. The Framers thought we would have hundreds of amendments by now. They were totally fine with future generations deciding how to live for themselves. What sucks is when no one can agree on the law changing and the SCOTUS invents law from whole cloth. That's what grinds my gears. As we have seen with Dobbs and Bruen we are going back finally to what the law actually says. If you don't like it, amend the Constitution. But sick as hell of Breyer disciples saying that the high court can change the law to fit how people feel. That's nonsense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5496444&forum_id=2#47443132) |