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Suicide Update- 5 guys I went to HS with have killed self
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:02 AM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen there were ~150 kids in my HS graduating class, so 5 out of ~75 guys have killedself this can't be normal |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:19 PM Author: misanthropic halford How many are veterans of the war on terror? The post-service suicide rate for combat veterans is insanely underreported in a lefty environment that purports to care about mental health (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507171) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 2:10 PM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen of the suicides? 1 Did the Army right out of HS. Got out in 2008. Was fucked up for sure but nobody saw it coming. Quiet guy. another friend who did ROTC was the one we all pegged to come back and killself as he had multiple rough deployments in Iraq followed by the Afghan surge. But he's fine now and actually works for the state department. |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:57 PM Author: Submissive Church Building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511461) |
Date: March 19th, 2024 7:02 AM Author: Dead faggot firefighter (guy who went to all.birdshit HS) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506432) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:29 AM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen fair enough. 80% white class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506458) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:05 AM Author: garnet set partner the lack of diversity killed them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506488) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:08 AM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen I'm sure some shitlibs actually believe that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506492) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:04 AM Author: exciting kitty senate Some of them probably had debilitating Long COVID (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506592) |
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Date: March 24th, 2024 3:34 AM Author: Flirting elastic band laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47521668) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:49 AM Author: Dead faggot firefighter its funny at my NOWAG HS i didnt hear of anyone kill self which is lolzy cause they all shld have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506667) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:25 AM Author: Turquoise 180 keepsake machete It's a curve. You're at the peak of it. In a few years, most of the severe mental illness will have terminated those poor folks early, then you'll be good for 10-15 years. Then everyone will start to get cancer or heart conditions. Perfectly fit dudes who did everything right will drop during their marathon. Bro leans over to tie his shoe, strokes and curbs himself to death. It's a vicious cycle this living thing, it's like we're already gone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506452) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:05 AM Author: racy stag film gaping suicide is definitely a young man's game. typically happens when you're immature, hormones raging, etc. but it does happen in drips and drabs into middle age. then all of a sudden deaths accelerate again, both from suicide and natural causes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506710) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:43 AM Author: Claret sweet tailpipe kitchen (Class of 1972) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506466) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:50 AM Author: Painfully honest razzle-dazzle address milk is there any correlation between class? out of my class the early dead (8/150 or so, to keep the ratio) were all UMC kids that OD'd or couldn't handle being a failson and let themselves out early. there's something wrong with this demographic, and i'm sincerely curious how the board dads are going to navigate the perils, if they can even identify them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506471) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:12 AM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen three of the five came from pretty well-off families, so maybe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506501) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:02 AM Author: awkward haunting plaza brethren The one connection I see is you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506486) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:49 AM Author: Very Tactful Dysfunction Ticket Booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506666) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:04 AM Author: deep startled generalized bond Guys in my high school killed self all the time. It was no big deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506487) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: Transparent Shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511376) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: High-end Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511383) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:05 AM Author: garnet set partner are you counting OD’s? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506489) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:11 AM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen yes, one was obviously an OD as he was widely rumored to be a pillhead, but it happened within a week of his wife leaving him. one was a gunshot to head, the one I found out about yesterday hung himself |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:50 AM Author: garnet set partner I don’t think I know anyone who did the direct needful, but if counting OD then I have a least a half dozen kids I grew up with who died this way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506572) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:58 AM Author: Claret sweet tailpipe kitchen Have these idiots not hear about exit bags? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506582) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:22 AM Author: splenetic buff death wish becky Nothing to do with the fact that all economic opportunity is being stripped away from everyone except the elites. Mass importation of illegals who will take all the low skill jobs or make the jobs economically unviable for anyone wanting to match the standard of living of the previous generations. Family and community have been chiseled away at for years and now all there is to sustain your soul is consumerism and ford f150s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506523) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:59 AM Author: Passionate twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506584) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:51 AM Author: mischievous patrolman locale Per the brilliant minds of XO that only affects retarded proles who deserve it though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506672) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:53 AM Author: Azure beady-eyed box office psychic You have obviously not hired out a contractor for work around your home. These are illegals and felons and they're all making well more than $100 an hour. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506680) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:38 AM Author: Azure beady-eyed box office psychic That's pretty high. Overall mortality for men doesn't hit 7% until 7% until mid-40s and that's taking into account all other causes of death. So I'd say the incidence of suicide among your HS class is probably like 3x the average. Pretty striking. So many lives lost. Makes me think about The Offspring - The Kids Aren't Alright |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:41 AM Author: black friendly grandma church I’m jealous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506645) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:46 AM Author: Seedy Regret Location Killed self on purpose or accidental OD? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506660) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:54 AM Author: Abusive Silver Dog Poop Whorehouse we only had one suicide, really smart / quiet kid who studied at carlton. he became a psychologist for cancer patients, so outside looking in i assume that line of work wasn't easy to deal with. don't understand how you do that w/ wife and young kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506686) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:23 AM Author: Blue Place Of Business Dragon damn. that sounds like depressing work, probably pretty easy to convince yourself that life is meaningless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506772) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: Abusive Silver Dog Poop Whorehouse yeah, dude went out into the woods in pennsylvania (i think) and just shot himself. i just can't square in my mind how you do that if you have kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507301) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:00 AM Author: racy stag film gaping my friend killed himself a month ago. i wasn't planning on taking about it on xo since it's very personal, but i'll take qs on it for 1 hour deep into a relevant thread. salient facts:
1) his gf dumped him and we all went together in a big group (mixed genders including her), he seemed fine.
2) i called him that night and he seemed fine, he called me back telling him he was going to kill himself, i picked him up and he stayed here.
3) he left my house that morning before i woke up with a basic text thanking me for being a good friend and telling me he locked up.
4) after two days of not hearing from him several friends and i got worried and started searching for him, we called to police to file a missing persons report.
5) police brought us into the police station and eventually had us ID his picture. his ex-gf and i both saw.
6) i had to tell his dad. i've also been in constant communication with his family. he just moved here away from his friends and family and we were just starting to become good friends, but i didn't know him that well yet. |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:06 AM Author: Passionate twinkling uncleanness why did his girlfriend dump him? men grieve very deeply and most women can move on without a second thought. this causes a lot of suicides. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506715) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:08 AM Author: racy stag film gaping he was a bit of a failson. they had dated for less than two months and she correctly perceived that he was depressed and she was taking on a project. i encouraged her to do it and wouldn't change my mind on that with the benefit of hindsight. she might have been the straw that broke the camel's back but the dude was secretly struggling for a long time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506720) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:10 AM Author: Passionate twinkling uncleanness very sad. some people carry a lot of burden. how did he kill himself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506725) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:10 AM Author: racy stag film gaping jumper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506727) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:16 AM Author: Passionate twinkling uncleanness :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506749) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:31 AM Author: Bat shit crazy amethyst temple telephone yikes. you had to ID the corpse? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507018) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:11 PM Author: racy stag film gaping picture. cop just fucking showed me out of the blue, no prep like "about to show you a body." it was nuts. up until i saw the pic i was certain he was just sulking somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507156) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 7:16 PM Author: dark den voyeur how do you think he felt before impact? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511529) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:22 AM Author: Blue Place Of Business Dragon you encouraged her to dump him or to take on the project? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506767) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:26 AM Author: racy stag film gaping dump him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506787) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:08 AM Author: arrogant wonderful party of the first part wtf lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506955) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:40 PM Author: Brindle hairraiser rehab rigpig with friends like gunner who needs enemies?
maybe he can split one of his xannies with her at the service and fuck her afterwards |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:47 PM Author: racy stag film gaping how many people did you come and pick up from a suicide attempt, spend the night with him, spend the next days searching for him, ID him, spent dozens of hours talking with his family, etc.?
staying with someone who is threatening suicide as a way to get you to stick around is not sustainable. if a friend asked me whether they should go through with a break up when their partner is threatening suicide, my advice would be the same. people should not feel like they're being held hostage in a relationship.
also, he refused to consider treatment for over a decade. perhaps if people like you weren't so aggressively antagonistic to mental health stuff more people like him would have sought treatment and survived. |
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Date: March 24th, 2024 2:59 AM Author: vibrant principal's office mad cow disease I’ll take that as a yes to fucking the ex gf.
Which is fine, that’s what funerals are for. Celebration of life in the face of death. |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:37 AM Author: infuriating bonkers masturbator associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509566) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:57 AM Author: Passionate twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510099) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:23 AM Author: Fragrant site athletic conference skyrocketing suicide rates, plummeting life expectancy, deaths of despair, and 80% of white womyn strung out on multiple psych meds to get through their empty days just means that Jewish Modernity is working. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506771) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:14 PM Author: wine magical crackhouse electric furnace pretty much whatever we want tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510197) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:32 AM Author: Seedy Regret Location Sadly, I've lost about nine friends from my early life and high school days. They failed to die by means of suicide in the conventional sense, but it feels comparable. Falling into tough drug use, to me, is a sign of giving up on life, a slow-movement model of suicide. These friends, a number of whom have been very close to me, battled severe depression. They used drugs to mask their problems, which is a tale too commonplace and heartbreaking.
Then there my wife's friend, which hits a distinctive nerve. She was the pinnacle of achievement on the outside: top of her class, a specialized nurse at a prestigious hospital, beautiful, friendly, and the life of the party type. When we heard she had taken her own life with no warning, no note, only a bottle of painkillers, we were shocked.
If so many young, vibrant people turn to drugs and suicide, what does that say about us?
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:52 AM Author: Azure beady-eyed box office psychic It primarily says that life is too easy and superficial. People aren’t having kids and aren’t taking care of themselves.
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:13 AM Author: Seedy Regret Location Our society is such shit, truly the consequences of the industrial revolution and technology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506984) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:32 AM Author: Bat shit crazy amethyst temple telephone actually CR. We need a Great Scattering to regain the Golden Path (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507025) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:57 AM Author: Citrine Cocky Mood One guy from my class died this way (so far). We lost touch around college or so, but I remember him being smart, talented, level headed and funny. The guy ended up having a very successful career, went to great schools and had an advanced degree, probably was pulling down $250-500k a year.
Real fucking curve ball.
Another guy died of an OD - but he was into drinking and drugs really early - I think he relapsed on a major drug addiction during the pandemic and OD'd.
Sad shit man. |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:59 AM Author: wine magical crackhouse electric furnace then they started a 5 Guys in Hell tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47506915) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:28 AM Author: Shaky hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507010) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:08 PM Author: indigo curious center goal in life i'd probably be dead if i didn't get married/had kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47507154) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:48 PM Author: garnet set partner weakling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508198) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:50 PM Author: arrogant wonderful party of the first part lol cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508201) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:10 AM Author: Bat shit crazy amethyst temple telephone why? because now you have something to live for? or because it made you stop your fucked up self-destruction? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509433) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:56 PM Author: Jet-lagged heady bawdyhouse filthpig Seems high. I am nearly 60 years out of HS. Class of 102. 43 dead so far. No suicides unless you count bad life style. Maybe young people are more likely to self destruct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508211) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:19 PM Author: multi-colored anal mental disorder native "The world is a lot better. My world, anyway." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508245) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:23 PM Author: Passionate twinkling uncleanness . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508248) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:25 PM Author: Jet-lagged heady bawdyhouse filthpig I supposed I'm supposed to say at this point "Sorry about your tiny pink world." Do I have that right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508444) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 2:20 AM Author: multi-colored anal mental disorder native entitled boomer psychology has been explained ad nauseum here. Still don't understand, gramps? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509278) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 2:21 PM Author: Jet-lagged heady bawdyhouse filthpig I under the concept of being full of shit, which is on display here 24/7. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510656) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:42 PM Author: Transparent Shrine 1800 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511410) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:57 PM Author: doobsian copper hospital travel guidebook 2 committed suicide in my grad school class alone during it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508213) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:23 PM Author: Passionate twinkling uncleanness What were the causes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508250) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:24 PM Author: doobsian copper hospital travel guidebook grad school and women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508252) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:25 PM Author: arrogant wonderful party of the first part beat me to it. good for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508256) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:26 PM Author: doobsian copper hospital travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508260) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:24 PM Author: arrogant wonderful party of the first part grad school was probably one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508254) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:26 PM Author: doobsian copper hospital travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47508261) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:13 PM Author: wine magical crackhouse electric furnace probably grad school, for one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510193) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:29 PM Author: doobsian copper hospital travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47512122) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 7:49 AM Author: Indecent Fanboi were they all trans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509507) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:01 AM Author: spectacular cuckold piazza How do you keep track of this shut? I thought we were all Losers who hated hs and didn’t talk to anyone from hs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509518) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:15 AM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen welcome back- smallish community in a farflung suburb where 50% of the grads still live (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509801) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:10 AM Author: Demanding coldplay fan garrison Well ur xo name is "trust if Aryan" which indicates a confluence of other socio economic factors of your upbringing that would lead to outcomes like this so not surprised (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509527) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:11 AM Author: spectacular cuckold piazza If you have something to say about Xbox just say it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509529) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:18 AM Author: Demanding coldplay fan garrison I was a prole Xbox kid
But that was a couple lives ago. Now I'm a LAWYER |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:20 PM Author: Yellow business firm weed whacker Oddly enough, he is Jewish! Like you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510235) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:36 PM Author: Demanding coldplay fan garrison Not that odd for xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510296) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:31 PM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen yeah huge kike here, big fan of Israel, ZOG, (((globohomo))) and tranny Michael Obama porn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511358) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:09 AM Author: Overrated library That's a lot. in my class of 450 we only had 1 that i know of. A few overdoses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47509632) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:20 PM Author: Yellow business firm weed whacker time to find another burger place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47510229) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:36 PM Author: High-end Property my cousin killed herself a few years ago. we didn't talk that much in adulthood, but the morning of she called me and asked me about setting up a will in case her or her husband got in a car wreck or whatever. totally normal voice, attitude, etc. a few hours later she went to a park and shot herself with a gun she took from my grandpa's house. pretty weird.
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen that's rough kids? |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:39 PM Author: High-end Property 3 at like 18, 16, and 13? super shitty of her but they seem to be doing alright all things considered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511397) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:41 PM Author: Bearded Office Liquid Oxygen JFC- what a selfish bitch. I hope she at least had a huge life insurance policy she took out 2+ years prior (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511407) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:43 PM Author: High-end Property nah she was an unemployed poormo. dad's a plumber though, so they weren't out on the street or anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511415) |
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Date: March 20th, 2024 6:52 PM Author: Demanding coldplay fan garrison Plumber dad's are clutch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506084&forum_id=2#47511443) |