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Martyr Made on Tucker has completely exposed rift btwn post was cons & new right
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Date: September 4th, 2024 8:37 AM Author: Fighting plaza newt The old school of post war consensus cons, playing their spoiler role in the NWO of western FDR progressivism has been totally exposed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047245) |
Date: September 4th, 2024 8:38 AM Author: cracking reading party incredible conversation, 2.5 hours just flew by listening to it his conversation with Jeffrey Sachs last week was the same, hours long, barnburner, must listen |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 8:55 AM Author: Fighting plaza newt i had actually never listened to tucker on twitter before this one. I dont really have interest in podcasts.
but as I read the fallout from this interview, its mind blowing. MM makes cautious, documentable claims.. after spending 30 minutes establishing GAE bona fides (defense contractor, friend to black people, etc).
And nor does he shy away from inculpating Germany and Hitler.
But that he is even *doing* history about our foundational modern religious / psychological EVENT is enough to force an all hands on deck condemnation. Liz Cheney crawled out of somewhere to damn him. "Three Year Letterman", an aging comedy account, suddenly dropped character to damn him. Academic historians across the board are losing their shit.
And he wasnt even throwing stones at 6 million or whatever. Just arguing, "Look Germany didnt want war with the UK, much less the US. Its all here, in the papers. Its fact. Maybe the allies had to pursue war, for moral reasons or what have you - beside the point. Point is, when you pursue a war, you hold some share of responsibility for what happens in war."
Pretty humble claim. And its caused a nuke to go off on the right |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:06 AM Author: orange cuck CR. This episode is not flame a momentous splinter in the collective psyche--won't be surprised if an absurd black swan event drops in the coming days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047313) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:16 AM Author: heady nofapping rehab The British/UK foreign policy since the 15th century was preventing a single European power from taking over the continent, because that was the only way they could get starved out and invaded. Should they have made an exception for Hitler? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047337) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:20 AM Author: Sexy Space People just get MAF about bringing any sort of nuance to war discussion. Look what happens to TDNW when you suggest that maaaaaaaaybe running endless Ukrainians through a meatgrinder so Zelensky can enrich his pockets miiiiiiiiiiight not be a glorious pursuit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047341) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:34 AM Author: Fighting plaza newt those are fair questions, WHEN YOURE DOING HISTORY. which is what he aims to do.
the bulk of the criticism is not that, tho. It is "NAZI!"
the best way to demonstrate this would be to imagine Tucker had on some nerd talking for an hour about Imperial Japan. Sixteen other dorks would listen and no one cares |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:37 AM Author: Sexy Space The problem is that when you have near universal shrieking of "Nazi" at a fairly made point with no effort put in to combat the claims, it makes everyone who was willing to hear the guy out think "oh so there's probably something to this argument" even if the argument is false or poorly sourced. If it was, wouldn't it serve everyone better to debate on those merits instead of screeching "NAZI"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047385) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:43 AM Author: Fighting plaza newt reminds me of the 80s game "operation" or something. You can jangle your forceps around all you like, and nothing. But touch the metal -- BZZZZZZZ.
Im not all that interested in ww2, but I am interested in what goes BZZZZZ when touched.
The short list seems to be: ww2 Axis = evil, US civil war South = evil, age of exploration europeans = evil.
Other than that, you can touch any historical topic in any way you want.
So... now we can get a clear idea of the real understructure supporting our identity. These things cannot be fucked with. Why? That is some fascinating shit. That's the superstructure of our meaning-giving meta-narrative. |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:37 PM Author: cracking reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48050127) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 4:06 PM Author: Charismatic olive roommate headpube it's been OK to argue that Japan was more or less forced into WW2 by an oil embargo and even that the US likely allowed Pearl Harbor to happen for decades (or no one in "serious academia" would accuse you of being a "Japan apologist") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048798) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 3:51 PM Author: Appetizing Prole just let them have the continent bro, they won't want our little island. they dropped leaflets and everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048759) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 4:21 PM Author: Dashing frozen corner international law enforcement agency there is nothing in the record that hitler wanted to take over the continent. he wanted peace with uk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048852) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 4:23 PM Author: Appetizing Prole and hitler was an honest man! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048862) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 4:28 PM Author: Dashing frozen corner international law enforcement agency what makes you think he wasnt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048877) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:05 AM Author: light provocative coldplay fan old irish cottage yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051368) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:39 AM Author: glittery spot Three Year Letterman is a Jewish lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047391) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 3:49 PM Author: Poppy house-broken principal's office candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048757) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 9:15 AM Author: Sexy Space The guy didn't say anything other than that Churchhill pushed for war when it didn't need to happen and people that push for war are partially responsible for what happens in that war. He didn't excuse anything Germany did. The reaction is insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047334) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 2:15 PM Author: cracking reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048395) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:01 AM Author: Poppy house-broken principal's office candlestick maker I watched the clip. He said he didn't think Churchill was outright bribed, but he did think that "financiers, media interests, powerful people" wanted him in power. I think he also suggested that the Holocaust wasn't intentional, but was a result of Germany aggressively expanding without having any kind of plan for POWs (and treating any Jews in German territory as presumed Bolsheviks/militants), and not being able to feed the POWs. Saying stuff like that, it's not surprising there was such a reaction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051351) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:02 AM Author: Fighting plaza newt He failed to account for mass ignorance. He was clearly talking about POWs in camps on the eastern front, and did not realize no one even knows this happened. That everyone would hear "camps" and think "JEWS". Bc that, of course, is all the Germans and the war was about in 2024
He could have said, "btw, Im talking about POW camps." |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:14 AM Author: Poppy house-broken principal's office candlestick maker Makes me want to read a bunch of books about it so I can have a more informed view. I didn't realize Churchill wrote a pamphlet in 1920, "Zionism vs Bolshevism." MM said on Tucker he also did a long podcast or series on Israel/Palestine - I would guess he's anti-Israel.
MM is right that it's weird that the default understanding of WW2 in America is "Germany acted crazy for a few years for no reason, was cartoonishly evil, got beat, learned the error of their ways, and they're fine now." |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:20 AM Author: Fighting plaza newt He’s decidedly not anti Israel in that series, but the assumption that he is shows how summarily his scholarship on ww2 has been misrepresented
It would damage his portrayal as a Nazi apologist if they bothered to admit he gives Israel very in depth and fair treatment |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:29 AM Author: Poppy house-broken principal's office candlestick maker ty. shows what i know. maybe i will check it out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051800) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:07 AM Author: light provocative coldplay fan old irish cottage "Churchhill pushed for war when it didn't need to happen"
Oh...so Hitler was just a chill bro and it was the ALLIES who forced him to invade all of those countries unprovoked?
Without GB, Hitler would've been the worlds greatest humanitarian, huh? |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:13 AM Author: Fighting plaza newt *didnt watch the interview*
his claim is that hitler didnt want any part of a war with the UK, much less the US. (And even France, though that is a more tenuous claim).
He even allows that the UK may have had justifiable reasons for pursuing war (geopolitical and moral). But that the war between the UK and Germany was the UK's desire, not Germany's.
I do not see how this is at all controversial, unless you have a vested interest in a childish morality play where the Germans were cartoonishly irrational and evil. And the point is, yes, you do have that vested interest. |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:15 AM Author: gaped market ratface Germany would have preferred UK let it take over Europe. Big bad UK didn't want to let Germany do this small thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051401) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:31 AM Author: rebellious supple mood This is such obvious sophistry and it’s clearly being done with intent to provoke this reaction and go viral on social media. Hitler also negotiated a truce with Russia and wanted no part of war with Russia…until he changed his mind in 41 and double-crossed Stalin and began a war with Russia. Is it likely that he never would have sought out war with GB if Churchill had been less confrontational or if Chamberlain had remained PM and had continued to pursue appeasement? Sure, but there were plenty of other ways Hitler could have fucked with GB in that alternative scenario, and plenty of good reasons for the UK to view the defeat of Germany as a moral and strategic imperative. The entire discourse is just an excuse to say “Hitler wasn’t the bad guy you think he is” and the only reason that’s exciting to Tucker and his fans is that the far right of American politics has been saying some version of this since the 1930s and so it’s interesting to those people, many of whom sincerely believe this, that a historian can supply a fresh take (albeit recycled from a half dozen other well-known Hitler apologists) to revisit this topic that they love to discuss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051476) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:38 AM Author: Fighting plaza newt so... your take is that, yes, the germans were irrationally and cartoonishly evil, bent on total destruction of the world and themselves. Every peace offer a lie, every aggression unprovoked, etc.
sounds like real history and not at all a morality play |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:44 AM Author: rebellious supple mood My take is that Hitler had undeniable IMPERIAL ambitions and was not an honest broker with other nations as he pursued those ambitions. Whether those ambitions specifically extended to war and eventually an invasion/occupation of GB specifically in the spring of 1940 is a stupidly autistic thing to be pre-occupied with when analyzing the incentives of the Brits to respond to Hitler’s IMPERIAL ambitions and overall disregard for human life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051548) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:51 AM Author: heady nofapping rehab "imperial" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051580) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 1:34 PM Author: rebellious supple mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48052676) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 12:20 PM Author: Wild Police Squad Potus 180 interview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047973) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 12:22 PM Author: gaped market ratface I subbed to his substack but its garbage. He reads essays and it is very gay. There are like 3 conversations that aren't scripted that are really good. But definitely not worth more than a 1 month sub. thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48047977) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 12:50 PM Author: gaped market ratface eron weighs in as does a community note. It's funny when fact and theory are confused
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1831365045277860179 |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 12:55 PM Author: tantric boyish dragon real talk: there can be no inegalitarian dissident right counter elite formation that doesn't touch the holy grail of WW2, jewish power and the holocaust (not that the holocaust didn't happen, necessarily, but that it is wholly inappropriate as the foundation myth of the modern era used to smear white people as intrinsically evil).
this is why the thiel/moldbug/BAP/vance counter elite formation is fake and gay. |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:37 AM Author: rebellious supple mood lol “fake and gay” though they may be, the “post-liberals” have enjoyed much more success in a very short period of time than any group of American far right dissidents (ie “dissidents”) calling for direct opposition to Jewish power have enjoyed ever. Your main problem in your thinking is how much you seem to enjoy being on the receiving end of a 90+ year losing streak. You’re like the guy that goes to see the Harlem Globetrotters and sincerely roots for the Washington Generals, and refuses to believe that the games are scripted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051500) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:00 AM Author: histrionic umber sandwich those guys talk about those things though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051639) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 12:55 PM Author: Rambunctious Adventurous Area Goal In Life Facts loving libs are freaking out and calling this guy a Nazi sympathizer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048083) |
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Date: September 4th, 2024 2:16 PM Author: cracking reading party David Frum is leading the charge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48048400) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:52 AM Author: Wild Police Squad Potus how many views is it up to. i dont use twitter. just clicked the original link. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051587) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:00 AM Author: histrionic umber sandwich all of the people sperging out about this are jews
it's just the same old, same old jewish derangement |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:11 AM Author: heady nofapping rehab This is shitty Project 1619-tier idpol revisionism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051682) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:32 AM Author: Harsh impressive den pervert Daryl Cooper made the fatal error of trying to make a nuanced point and expecting people to consider it in good faith. Instead, he’s basically being labeled a nazi now. He should know better (or maybe he DGAF) but it’s frustrated to see the outrage pouring in here without make an effort to understand what he was trying to say.
His podcast on the history of the founding of Israel (Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem) was balanced and one of the best things I’ve listened to. I’m not a huge fan personally of Cooper’s politics, but who cares, he’s clearly a bright guy who knows a ton about 19th and 20th century history. |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:37 AM Author: Wild Police Squad Potus he killed his chances at a nike shoe deal but other than that im guessing he doesnt gaf at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051843) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:02 AM Author: Submissive Organic Girlfriend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051975) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:02 AM Author: Poppy house-broken principal's office candlestick maker ty. why aren't you a fan of his politics, what are they? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48051971) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:08 AM Author: Sexy Space He fell for the most recent police brutality hoax where the black woman tried to splash boiling water on the cop
Called anyone who wasn't against the cops there "racists" |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:27 AM Author: Submissive Organic Girlfriend tbf ur a retard if you think she intended to throw the water at him. I'm not opposed to straight up genociding blacks, but objectively speaking she was not a threat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5588524&forum_id=2#48052066) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:11 AM Author: histrionic umber sandwich this interview was fantastic for him
all publicity is good publicity in the current year |