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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:13 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction As a lawyer/future lawyer:
1) You are the scum of the country. Other than your fellow lawyers, no one respects you. You manipulate the law to create business for yourself, by creating pointless lawsuits molded to fit to legal guidelines that force corporations and business to pay you off. If you don't fit into the above category, then you leech money off of the hard work of businessmen and other companies. 2) You are debilitating to progress. All of the time, money, and energy corporations spend on lawyers and legal fees (which are to combat problems that have arisen because lawyers have created arbitrary legal guidelines) would be much better spent on science, healthcare, and technology. 3) You produce nothing. You contribute to society in no way, shape, or form, except for being the inspiration for skeezy lawyer characters on television, or Law & Order, which we all know isn't really how it works. You will become part of a whole sub-class of lawyers, thousands upon thousands of them in our country, which produces nothing, simply existing to siphon valuable capital and resources for themselves. 4) Most of you are ugly and socially inept. Take a look around your law school, or take a look in the mirror, this is not hard to figure out. For the guys that think "being a lawyer" will get them girls: any girl who wants you because you're a lawyer, is a girl that normal men avoid like the plague. Honestly, no one says "I want to marry a lawyer." 5) Save for the irrational few who enjoy it, Litigation is extremely boring and tedious. You will be an eternal paper pusher; your lives will consist of nothing more than requesting discovery, sorting through thousands of documents, writing pointless correspondence requesting more discovery, responding to discovery requests, defending and taking boring depositions, and writing motions for summary judgment, all on the behalf of clients that you can't stand to be in the same room with for more than 15 minutes. The only exception to this is criminal litigation, which can be exciting at times, but will be overlooked by the vast majority of top law students because it isn't "prestigious" enough. 6) Save for the irrational few who enjoy it, Transactional law is even more boring and tedious than litigation. 7) When you are 50 years old, most of you will be asking yourselves, "Why didn't I take that other career path, I mean, why Law?" Even if it would have taken you 5-10 years longer to break 100k, or if you would have made less money over your lifetime, you would have been happier, and much, much more satisfied. After all, you only live once. 8) To those future corporate lawyers in NYC, DC, or Chicago, who think their days of being rich and powerful loom in the near future: you will always play second fiddle to the businessmen. You will be their servants, and they will control you and your time. You will be frustrated and angry, because many of you are much smarter than your business counterparts, but because you went to law school instead of taking a risk, you're eternally damned to be the bitch. Business controls the money, and that's what you work for. 9) To those of you who think top law school --> congress, senate, president, or something along those lines, unless your family has millions of dollars and is well connected, or you're like Barack Obama, good luck, but it's not going to happen for you. You'd be advised to make money, get connections, and not go to law school. 10) Many other professionals who work similar hours to you either a) make a lot more money or b) are more satisfied with their jobs. You do it because you are forced to by your clients.
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:19 AM Author: impertinent stage candlestick maker What about guys who are so lame they take the time to write and post threads like this on a law board...I bet they lead exciting lives! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403208) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:23 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction You're welcome to think what you want;
I'm offering a list of things I wish I'd known years ago, take it or leave it. |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:24 AM Author: impertinent stage candlestick maker You sound like a bitter little bitch. Just my interpretation, take it or leave it. Do you cut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403238) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:29 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction Conversely, you sound like someone who's having a hard time swallowing the bitter pill that is your future as a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403274) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:30 AM Author: impertinent stage candlestick maker I'm already a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403275) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:34 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction excellent, my post obviously struck a chord in you somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403302) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:35 AM Author: impertinent stage candlestick maker I'm crying inside. Should have been a garbage man instead!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403309) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:41 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction at least you can feel productive and get outside. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403341) |
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Date: November 13th, 2007 2:58 AM Author: pontificating very tactful hospital keepsake machete just curious what is this other career that you wish you had pursued? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8888358) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:25 AM Author: swashbuckling temple cumskin Paper-pushing is a part of the vast majority of white-collar jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403246) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:26 AM Author: lemon library also, easy.
also, highly paid. |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:49 AM Author: lilac forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403378) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:12 PM Author: Tan Stimulating Clown Toaster OMGZ! This is so insightful! tytyty! |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 7:39 PM Author: Racy black woman You might say that lawyers, by virtue of being in client-service, are prone to ending up as business peoples' bitches. Fine, but then bankers become business peoples' bitches, as well. Who are these "business people"? Higher-ups in large corporations; that is, people who endured years of shit to get a fancy title. And, who is willing to do that? Not most XO posters; the reason the discussion here is often of banking v. law is that most upper-middle-class 20-30 year-olds don't aspire to CEO. They know better. (That's more of a working-class white aspiration.)
Ultimately, most large-company CEOs are people who went into the big-box corporations straight out of college (company men) and worked their miserable way up; this is something people rarely do out of top schools. This means, ultimately, that lawyers and bankers (by this logic) are less prestigious than people who did something that XO would consider rather unprestigious to begin with: working in corporate. |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 8:14 PM Author: Wine garrison skinny woman there was an article in the wsj about this recently. basically, people from top schools go into finance, law, or medicine simply because it's the easiest way to get a good income fast, and with less risk than starting at 40k in sales or marketing and working your way up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426227) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 8:15 PM Author: alcoholic coldplay fan affirmative action Medicine has 4 years of med school plus internship plus residency. Sounds like fast easy money to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426245) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 8:41 PM Author: Wine garrison skinny woman yes, but by age 30, they're guaranteed a good 150-200k salary (possibly more if they go into a very competitive specialty). you're not if you start at a company at age 22 out of college. you could end up making 65k in middle management at age 30 and be stuck there for many many years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426376) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 10:37 PM Author: Dun Organic Girlfriend Wagecucks you could also start at 65-75k and be making 120-130k by age 30 pretty easily. but not $200k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7427185) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 10:09 AM Author: avocado laser beams Why the fuck does "could" matter? You "could" hone a mean jumpshot and make $80 million per year without ever going to college. It "could" happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8885029) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 8:53 PM Author: Racy black woman This is part of it, but the underlying issue is more complex. In fact, I'd argue the reverse: the professions pay higher because they get people from higher-ranked schools. (And, also, usually have advanced degrees.) Corporate generally doesn't, so it pays less for its entry-level marketing positions.
The group of people who strive for, and attain, CEO status is an entirely different set than those who go to top schools. (If the Ivy/T25 kids want to go corporate, they aim for McKinsey and try to lateral in.) The ones who become C-level execs (excluding McK/BCG laterals) generally grew up in small communities, were a lot more ambitious than most of the people around them, and because of this were valedictorians or salutatorians. They went to second-tier or lower T50 state schools and excelled at them. They have a solid, working-class belief that hard work will pay off, and every time they've competed against others (admittedly in a smaller pond) they've won. Thus, they have a confidence in their ability to work their way up the corporate ladder. (In fact, they usually are more capable than most of the competition; what they fail to account for, and which may impede them, is that their progress will be determined as much by the whims of idiots as by their own efforts and results.)
The ones who went to the top schools and enter the professions generally went to very competitive top public, magnet, or boarding schools, and then to competitive colleges. Statistically speaking, they probably weren't the absolute best in every competitive pool they've entered. Thus, they don't have the same sort of errant confidence in their ability to "work their way up". They also tend to come from upper-middle-class backgrounds and know intimately the stories of a few burnt-out VPs/C-levels in their family circles, so they realize that success in corporate competition has more to do with winning an idiot's game than with hard work or ability. (Not that law firm or academics politics are any better.) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: Hilarious chartreuse wrinkle pistol excellent post. ty ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426594) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 7:37 PM Author: comical space hissy fit lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8886863) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 10:42 AM Author: garnet background story "(In fact, they usually are more capable than most of the competition; what they fail to account for, and which may impede them, is that their progress will be determined as much by the whims of idiots as by their own efforts and results.)"
To get ahead in a corporation you have to leapfrog/replace superiors. The people superiors tend to favor (and thus who have the best chance of getting ahead) are those that do not intimidate superiors. Superiors do not want to be leapfrogged/replaced. Corporate culture wants workers as stupid as possible that can still get their job done. Obviously there are exceptions, and while the exceptions may be glamorized (for good reason - it keeps the idiots coming), struggling your way up the corporate ladder is generally not a viable path to the type of success OP and most in professional school are looking for. |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 8:53 PM Author: Kink-friendly insanely creepy stead i just want to point this out again. ibankers and finance types have the same client-based demands as lawyers. that's why pe guys are more prestigious b/c they boss around bankers and shit. but everyone's gotta serve somebody. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426491) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 8:57 PM Author: Racy black woman This is largely true, about everyone being in service, but the balance of power is what makes or breaks prestige. (Who does one serve, and on what terms?) I'd say that lawyers come out slightly ahead of IBD suitmonkeys. The lawyer has skills and knowledge that are beneficial to the client, and this leads to leverage. The low-IQ M&A dude is a fungible, pretty face. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426531) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 7:44 PM Author: godawful bawdyhouse nah dood, I'm gonna be an Assistant DA. Just throw assholes in jail and keep the streets safe for our kids and whatnot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426017) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 4:44 PM Author: charismatic hall trump supporter 10) Many other professionals who work similar hours to you either a) make a lot more money (***I-bankers***) or b) are more satisfied with their jobs (***doctors***) or c) make more and are more satisfied (***doctors again***). You do it because you are forced to by your clients.
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:27 AM Author: Maniacal love of her life elastic band Subject: Things I do believe 1. you write piss poor flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403258) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:32 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction in this case flame=reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403287) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:28 AM Author: Wild Shivering Halford Area haha i went to ls on purpose to become the scum of the earth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403263) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:31 AM Author: gay juggernaut mood I am really sorry, but numbers 8 and 10 are 100% true.
One hundred percent true.
Also, one of our profs in 1L, in early days of the program, asked the entire class "why do you want to become something everyone basically hates". No one really answered (100+ of us in a big lecture hall). Finally, someone said the money, another said prestige, another, interest... |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:51 AM Author: swashbuckling temple cumskin People hate lawyers, but they like this lawyer or that lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403387) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:46 PM Author: Mahogany cuckold someone should have made the observation that it's pathetic to care what joe-blow on the street thinks about his profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7405823) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 9:42 PM Author: Exciting Brass Brunch 'b/c i no longer want to be a fireman and i suck at baseball' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426808) |
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Date: January 16th, 2007 3:19 AM Author: Gaped national security agency Underrated post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7428940) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:33 AM Author: cream boiling water you left out being professors, working for government think tanks or behind the scenes in politics, and using the thinking taught in legal school plus your bar license as a way to create a company and handle your own compliance to work to be able to lower prices and compete.
also, while the work can get boring at times, you 1)don't need to advertise to find clients, 2)deal with shit like hiring and overhead, and 3)you stay in the nice ac or heat and get a nice leather chair and the internet.
finally, it has the closest amount of intelligent people around you, so even if you don't love your job, you can be intellectually challenged by those you work for and with. |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:35 AM Author: gay juggernaut mood eventually, being intellectually challenged by coworkers is not what you want anymore. Eventually, you just want people to leave you the fuck alone, and you find a small circle of 1 or 2 people in the office that you trust, the others can go to hell cuz they want your job anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403312) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:46 AM Author: cream boiling water yeah i guess. "eventually" i'll start my own company and leave. i'm basically learning everything from setting up a company (brainstorming ideas), how to raise capital, how to finance all kinds of shit, how to write contracts that are in compliance with the law and local regs, plus ones that are favorable in litigation, and making legal/gov't/RE/financial contacts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403359) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:41 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction you mentioned some things i left out, but what you said applies to a mere few of the thousands of graduates of top law schools. the ease of becoming a law professor at a distinguished school is very hard (becoming any professor at a top school is very hard), and those with jd's who teach in other departments (econ, polisci, urban planning, etc.) have at least a master's in the other field. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403340) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:43 AM Author: swashbuckling temple cumskin Are you still a lawyer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403345) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:44 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction absolutely not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403348) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:44 AM Author: swashbuckling temple cumskin I assume that means you were once a lawyer. And what do you do now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403350) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:50 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction went back and got a master's in a program i should have done a joint-degree in at the time i was in law school.
basically, i wasted 2.5 years of my life in biglaw and an extra year paying for school (doing the degrees separately adds on another year).
in some fields, a prestigious JD can luckily enhance your career potential and make you more attractive to employers, provided you have the requisite credentials (hence, the need for the M.S.). |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:52 AM Author: swashbuckling temple cumskin But you haven't say what you do instead. That would be important to know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403395) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:54 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction why, are you considering leaving the law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403403) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:10 PM Author: swashbuckling temple cumskin I am half way through law school. I find classes interesting, but I worry that I won't like practicing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403516) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:23 PM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction I also found classes interesting; I enjoyed the theory and philosophy of the law, as well as reading and discussing important cases. Practicing is much different, however, and far less intellectual; perhaps you should look into academia? Remember, you don't have to teach at Yale, Harvard, or Columbia to be a successful or satisified academic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403595) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:48 AM Author: cream boiling water and what about all the lawyers who go into business for themselves and lawyers who leave the field and open their own businesses in some other area? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403370) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:53 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction lawyers who leave the field to open businesses in some other area could have likely done the exact same thing without going to law school.
there comes a point where the prestige of your degrees is less important than your innate ability to learn business and hack it.
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:55 AM Author: cream boiling water some people aren't ready to open their own business at 22 or haven't thought of an idea. while 3 yrs of law school is a waste of time for attys (1 yr plus 1yr interning) would be far better BUT law school does teach you how to think and analyze a certain way that's conducive to being a good businessperson and working at a firm doing substantive work prepares you for the business world and gives you a plethora of contacts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403409) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 11:58 AM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction you're definitely right, but there are also easier ways to go into business besides blowing hundreds of thousands of $ on law school and enduring firm life for a few years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403433) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:27 PM Author: histrionic office deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403608) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: lascivious stag film "the ease of becoming a law professor at a distinguished school is very hard"
lolz, poor writing is no bar to getting biglaw |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 7:16 AM Author: Excitant Rehab Blood Rage Nice find. That really is awful writing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8884955) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:21 PM Author: Adventurous citrine house "then you leech money off of the hard work of businessmen and other companies."
You lost me here. |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:23 PM Author: swashbuckling temple cumskin By that logic, all people who provide services to businessmen are leeches. I guess you can argue that shitty laws require an overuse of lawyers, but that's not the fault of an individual lawyer who is trying to help a business navigate the shitty legal environment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403594) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:50 PM Author: Wine garrison skinny woman by that logic also, bankers are leeches as well. they're providing a service to the businessmen, sure, but at a vastly inflated price due to their oligopoly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7405847) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:22 PM Author: lemon library antidote to all 10 -- pick a practice area you like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403589) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:23 PM Author: clear menage just got over my hangover. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403592) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:24 PM Author: Kink-friendly insanely creepy stead you might as well just say that "laws" don't contribute to society and hurt business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7403602) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 12:34 PM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction Not so much laws, I think, but the massive surplus of lawyers that creates a legal environment like the one we have now.
Simply put, lawyers play that role in society, but law students and pre-laws often aren't exactly sure what shoes they'll be filling until they're done with school. |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 3:15 AM Author: Vivacious ultramarine weed whacker a greater number of lawyers does not influence the demand for legal help (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8884864) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 7:21 AM Author: fragrant tanning salon yeah, it does retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8884958) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 1:07 PM Author: hateful know-it-all spot nowag Main Entry: trite Part of Speech: adjective Definition: silly Synonyms: banal, bathetic, bromidic, chain, chestnut, cliché, clichéd, common, commonplace, corn, corn-fed, cornball*, corny*, drained, dull, exhausted, familiar tune*, flat, hack, hackneyed, hokey*, hokum, jejune, mildewed*, moth-eaten*, musty*, old hat*, old song, old story, ordinary, pedestrian, platitudinous, prosaic, ready-made, routine, run-of-the-mill*, set, shopworn, stale, stereotyped, stock, threadbare, timeworn, tired, uninspired, unoriginal, used-up, vapid, warmed-over*, well-worn, worn, worn-out *****************************************************
What gets me the most about these kinds of posts is the unrealistic view of business/other fields. Middle management is exciting! Running a small business is fun! Taking a company public is the way to go, let's all do it, it's easy! You just take a little risk, and your life is all sports cars and photo shoots for Forbes. Any profession, decribed cynically, comes out equally uninviting: Finance: Spending millions of hours making spreadsheets and stupid pitch books for deals, ciphoning shareholder value with each deal. Entrepreneurship: Begging VCs for dollars, managing idiots who don't care about your business. Medicine: Inspecting anuses for 24 hours at a time, always on call. Academia: Engaging in banal, esoteric discussion with a bunch of other socially inept curmudgeons and writing excruciatingly boring articles that no one reads.
While some of your ideas have a bit of merit, please apply the same scrutiny to the alternatives that you do to law. |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 4:44 PM Author: bronze provocative dysfunction I haven't listed any alternatives to law nor did I mention any above, you've done that here on your own accord. Since my sole intention was to address the law, there's no reason for me to address any of its alternatives.
Furthermore, I don't have enough inside knowledge of the fields you've listed like I do law to scrutinize them so. But, what you have listed for Medicine is beyond ridiculous, as is what you have listed for academia. |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 12:30 PM Author: hateful know-it-all spot nowag That's the problem. People have to make money. My point is, work sucks, and you've gotta choose something. So just saying "law sucks" doesn't do much for me without a proposed alternative.
EDIT: And you discussed both academia and business above, implying by your tone that they were in fact superior to law. "You don't have to teach at HYS to be a successful and satisfied academic". Something to that effect. |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 8:03 PM Author: idiotic nursing home mad cow disease TITCR. My friends who went into business or corporate life right out of college are miserable. My friends in ibanking are miserable. Work is work. The most you can do is find something you enjoy enough to put up with the other tedious crap that comes with it and stick to it. Artists have to do some commercial crap. Doctors get sick of sticking catheters in people and dealing with HMOs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426157) |
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Date: January 16th, 2007 3:09 AM Author: Galvanic Deep Boltzmann School Cafeteria Academia: Engaging in banal, esoteric discussion with a bunch of other socially inept curmudgeons and writing excruciatingly boring articles that no one reads.
So fucking credited. It's amazing how many folks from LS idealize being an academic. |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:05 PM Author: talking shimmering public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7405595) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:08 PM Author: shaky tantric resort boistinker Blogged. Full post was too long so I went with #8 and #10 as somebody suggested above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7405611) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:09 PM Author: Buck-toothed Dilemma HEY -- only half those things are true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7405617) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:47 PM Author: motley at-the-ready field Most people who make posts like this (e.g., Greedy) are TTT losers who went to TTT law schools and work at TTT firms. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7405827) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:50 PM Author: Flickering jew coffee pot Subject: You hate law cause you're a shitty thinker. Lawyers allow for the very coporate advances you advocate.
1.) The United States' respect for intellectual property, unlike other countries, incentivzes (sp?) creative business people. THere is a reason China has so much industry but so few mega-corps; there isnt a stable or trustworthy marketplace. Name 10 businesspeople who have saved the US economy more money (and in-turn made it more $) than Elliot Spitzer.
2.)Litigation helps replace the need for government intervention. Companies must forsee and avoid adverse side-effects from their actions, lest they bu sued-- thus removing the need for inefficient government. This also keeps large corporations in check from truly hurting individuals.
3.) You have a JD; use it. You can enter business, media, or any other field if you TRY and are CREATIVE. You think "waiting an extra 10 years" aint so bad? Do it. Hit the drawing board again, youll find its easier with a JD.
EDIT: Saqw you now have an MS and seem to have done so. Good. enjoy life. |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:58 PM Author: Mahogany cuckold if every american had to live in a country that had almost no conception of liability, they would come back thinking a lot differently about lawyers in america. city doesn't salt or clear ice off of sidewalks and you slip and break your neck...fuck you, sold you a product that doesn't work...fuck you, poisoned by rotten meat in the dinner you ordered at a restaurant...fuck you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7405901) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 6:00 PM Author: Flickering jew coffee pot exactly. a world with lawyers may seem annoying, but a world without them is down right scary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7405918) |
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Date: January 12th, 2007 5:59 PM Author: Flickering jew coffee pot PS:
"All lawyers are scum." People do think this way until they are harassed, wrongfully terminated, or abused. Then, magically, when no one will rescue them, people change their view of lawyers.
Now, you may say "not in my experience," and therefore answered your own question. You're disillusioned by the hunt for money and a longing for purpose? It's called Public Interest, and it will let you get outside yourself. |
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Date: January 13th, 2007 2:29 PM Author: Fishy Boyish Philosopher-king "PS:
"All lawyers are scum." People do think this way until they are harassed, wrongfully terminated, or abused. Then, magically, when no one will rescue them, people change their view of lawyers. "
AGREED
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Date: January 13th, 2007 2:35 PM Author: cracking bisexual university when the lawyers take most of their settlement, they go back to the original tune (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7411161) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 7:45 PM Author: Flickering jew coffee pot It's no different in practice than a surgeon saving you from a heart-attack, and you bitching about the bill.
Sure it costs; but you just got your ass saved from alot worse. If you actually feel resent after that, it speaks more to your character than to the professional. |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 7:51 PM Author: Slippery bossy messiness Truth Number 11. OP doesn't know how to spell "Believe". Dumbshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7426070) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 11:08 PM Author: Beta Orange Degenerate Faggot Firefighter #11. Ibanking >>>> law. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7427424) |
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Date: January 15th, 2007 11:33 PM Author: Slippery bossy messiness That's number 12, idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#7427649) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 10:08 AM Author: cobalt abode #15: If your aunt had a penis, she would in fact be your uncle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8885027) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 4:34 PM Author: rough-skinned naked hairy legs corn cake Here are my beefs with this list:
"2) You are debilitating to progress. All of the time, money, and energy corporations spend on lawyers and legal fees (which are to combat problems that have arisen because lawyers have created arbitrary legal guidelines) would be much better spent on science, healthcare, and technology."
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"3) You produce nothing. You contribute to society in no way, shape, or form, except for being the inspiration for skeezy lawyer characters on television, or Law & Order, which we all know isn't really how it works. You will become part of a whole sub-class of lawyers, thousands upon thousands of them in our country, which produces nothing, simply existing to siphon valuable capital and resources for themselves."
These are pretty poorly thought out conclusions. Has the OP considered the cost of hiring armies of mercenaries to resolve commercial disputes, which is the only alternative a society has when it lacks a strong legal infrastructure of courts, lawyers, and procedural rules? This isn't an abstract concept either, as he would know if he'd ever attempted to do business in countries lacking a strong legal system, i.e., most countries around the world especially in Asia, South America and Africa. Factories have to be guarded by men with weapons. Illegal seizures of private property have to be remedied not by legal proceedings but by physical force. Illegal bribes have to be paid, subjecting the company to the risk of a pissed off prosecutor taking you out completely any time it decides to "fight corruption".
This is the alternative to using lawyers in commercial settings. How is it, again, that you reach the conclusion that lawyers play no role in the business world? |
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Date: November 13th, 2007 10:21 AM Author: Vivacious ultramarine weed whacker NYC merc armies to 190k! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8888713) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 8:37 PM Author: Hairraiser Flushed Address I miss pensive, he was a good poster (when not insane) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8887152) |
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Date: November 12th, 2007 8:49 PM Author: ocher goal in life partner thread is fucking dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8887184) |
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Date: November 13th, 2007 9:42 AM Author: exhilarant slimy haunted graveyard OP is credited. Lawyers are worthless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=562337&forum_id=2#8888653) |
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Date: November 13th, 2007 11:42 AM Author: Pearly Hairless Center "believe" has two e's.
HTH, dip. |