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DC firm salary ($160k) increase?

so my NYC-based DC firm was starting at $145k base, but I he...
Aphrodisiac pit organic girlfriend
  01/25/07
bumb...certainly someone's heard something...
Aphrodisiac pit organic girlfriend
  01/25/07
Can you not fucking read? Even if you'd just click on any l...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/25/07
Just send him over to Above the Law... Your list fairly comp...
Excitant Son Of Senegal
  01/25/07
you're right: i cannot read. but i'll trade my reading skil...
Aphrodisiac pit organic girlfriend
  01/26/07
DC offices at $160K: Cadwalader Chadbourne* (only matched ...
Obsidian dragon
  01/26/07
any of the big ones still at 135 or (gasp) 125?
Harsh Heady Trailer Park
  01/26/07
All of the rest are.
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/26/07
...
Passionate tank hospital
  01/26/07
Good list.
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/26/07
Good list indeed. Am I wrong or have more offices bumped up ...
Carnelian chapel wrinkle
  01/26/07
To my knowledge, all of the $160K firms bumped up from $145K...
Obsidian dragon
  01/26/07
do you mind keeping this updated with edits?
Mahogany Charismatic Round Eye
  01/26/07
I'll try my best.
Obsidian dragon
  01/26/07
You forgot Simpson Thacher. Pretty serious omission, conside...
Passionate tank hospital
  01/26/07
If anyone else finds omissions or mistakes, post it to the l...
Obsidian dragon
  01/26/07
Source?
Outnumbered hunting ground
  02/04/07
DC at $160K is a whole lot better than NYC at $160K.
Irate state
  01/26/07
thanks, john maynard keynes
Mahogany Charismatic Round Eye
  01/26/07
Remember though that NY firms usually give better bonuses.
Obsidian dragon
  01/26/07
and you dont have to live in fucking DC.
Nighttime Fragrant Spot
  01/26/07
Not necessarily true. Simpson Thacher & Cleary Gottlieb ...
Passionate tank hospital
  01/26/07
Am i the only one who is thinking of going through OCI as a ...
cobalt rebellious property
  01/26/07
Are you really going to go through that again for $8,000? Do...
flesh maniacal private investor
  01/27/07
why 8000? it's more than that.
Violent Mood
  01/27/07
33% federal tax (assuming you get more than a 10k bonus, you...
flesh maniacal private investor
  01/27/07
no FICA after the first 90k, no?
Vibrant Federal Dilemma Water Buffalo
  01/27/07
You're right. So, OP, will you change firms over $8700?
flesh maniacal private investor
  01/27/07
You're ignoring the bonus premium. Simpson & Cleary pay ...
Passionate tank hospital
  01/27/07
The medicare portion, 1.45%, has no cap. The Social Securit...
Mind-boggling legend
  02/12/07
I'm already a 3L, but I don't think that's unreasonable at a...
Passionate tank hospital
  01/27/07
kt008- is $15K really that big of a deal?
Purple stead
  02/04/07
lry - I'm shocked that you wouldn't want every $ you could g...
Flatulent red senate cumskin
  02/04/07
Yea, but you're definitely working many more hours for that ...
blathering giraffe
  01/26/07
Supposedly Covington raised to $160k in NYC and matched Hoga...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/26/07
not false, it was confirmed on ATL. OP should add covington ...
Violent Mood
  01/27/07
It still isnt enough. It sad to see law students who have...
ruddy rehab windowlicker
  01/27/07
which is why everyone wants more money. i think it shows for...
Violent Mood
  01/27/07
I am in them now. I am already working hard. I want to be pa...
Vigorous Brilliant Point Death Wish
  01/29/07
Add LeBoeuf to the $160k list: http://www.abovethelaw.com...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/29/07
Add Sidley to the $145k pussies. http://www.abovethelaw.c...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/29/07
I don't think they're pussies. That's about right for Chicag...
Vigorous Brilliant Point Death Wish
  01/29/07
This is bizarre in a sense. I mean, this isn't going to s...
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/29/07
the same people who went when the difference was 10K.
Violent Mood
  01/29/07
Fish & Richardson to Covington et al: DING, fags!
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/29/07
stop being delusional. market comp in DC for non-NY firms is...
Violent Mood
  01/29/07
No - 10K was annoying, but not totally intolerable. 15K is ...
cobalt rebellious property
  01/29/07
it's a bet by DC firms that people won't migrate. we'll see ...
Violent Mood
  01/29/07
what do you mean it's a bet by DC firms?
cobalt rebellious property
  01/29/07
DC-based firms, like covington, hogan, akin et al. you proba...
Violent Mood
  01/29/07
Yeah, i definitely noticed. I'm NOT happy about it. I didn...
cobalt rebellious property
  01/29/07
why is mckee's identity controversial? what are you talking ...
180 stain corner
  01/29/07
there was some debate on ATL about McKee's status as a DC fi...
Violent Mood
  01/29/07
i just know their DC office was founded first and their name...
180 stain corner
  01/29/07
which is why i used the word controversial. i don't much car...
Violent Mood
  01/29/07
Give it another week. Then we'll see.
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/29/07
Suck it!
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  05/09/07
A list from ATL with associate #s
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/30/07
That's 725 @ $160k v. 689 @ $145k by my count.
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/30/07
So for the moment, a little over 700 at 160 firms v. a littl...
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/30/07
unless Wilmer does something crazy and raise it above 145k
arousing office
  01/30/07
I doubt it. They're waiting for Ropes to announce $160K NYC...
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/30/07
yep
arousing office
  01/30/07
Yeah, Latham and Wilmer are the big two we're waiting on now...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/30/07
I just don't see what the incentive is for Wilmer. The top ...
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/30/07
yep, i seriously doubt they'll goto 160...Latham on the othe...
arousing office
  01/30/07
I'm curious to see where Latham and their "one firm&quo...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/30/07
nope, I know Wilmer paid 145 last year in NYC. They'll defin...
arousing office
  01/30/07
Of the top 25s left... Wilmer, Ropes, Kirkland, GDC, AP: ...
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/30/07
Did JD definitely go to 145 in DC, or is this just a guess?
Fantasy-prone transparent kitty cat locale
  01/30/07
These are all guesses, unless I missed something.
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/30/07
Why would K&E go to 160 NYC, 145 everywhere else, when j...
self-centered lay
  01/30/07
Yeah, I was just looking at that. I guess they might go $16...
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/30/07
Don't know why they'd care about GDC, when they had already ...
self-centered lay
  01/30/07
You mean you doubt they'll go to 160? Latham might. For ...
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/30/07
If they were going to go to 160K, why would they wait so lon...
Passionate tank hospital
  01/31/07
Great find Indubitably. I suspect this is the way things ...
Obsidian dragon
  01/30/07
Wow everyone else beat me to it.
Obsidian dragon
  01/30/07
"So far, I don't believe a single firm went from $135K ...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/30/07
It goes without saying that they don't count.
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/30/07
I thought Fish was at 145K, but I guess you're right. Fri...
Obsidian dragon
  01/30/07
Proskauer went from 135 to 160 in LA and Boston.
self-centered lay
  01/30/07
Davis Polk and Thacher Proffitt Wood
Obsidian dragon
  01/30/07
For the DC firms going to 160, does anyone know if the 2007 ...
Cracking slimy plaza national security agency
  01/30/07
Yes.
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/30/07
3000? 3100?
Cracking slimy plaza national security agency
  01/30/07
I dunno dood. Call them up. Some people are saying $3077, ...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/30/07
ATL is reporting Mayer DC at $145k. No surprise there.
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/31/07
Damn. Wilmer to $145k. It's over. http://www.abovethela...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/31/07
Duh.
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/31/07
It just doesn't make sense to have such a big split in the m...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/31/07
I said that above. But its looks like that's gonna be the d...
Sexy Area Pistol
  01/31/07
Basically. And it will even hurt the top DC firms in their ...
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  01/31/07
Orrick at $160k
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  02/03/07
Where?
Poppy Lettuce
  02/03/07
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1170410599116
Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
  02/03/07
Thanks
Poppy Lettuce
  02/03/07
Jones Day too, according to ATL.
Sexy Area Pistol
  02/03/07
What was Jones Day DC paying before the raise?
Obsidian dragon
  02/03/07
K&L Gates to $145 (~90+ associates)
Mahogany Charismatic Round Eye
  02/12/07
Wiley Rein and Holland & Knight DC both to $145k.
Arrogant massive business firm
  02/16/07
I am going to work at a large DC firm and am close with a pa...
Azure forum corn cake
  02/16/07


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Date: January 25th, 2007 12:04 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac pit organic girlfriend

so my NYC-based DC firm was starting at $145k base, but I hear rumors that all top NYC firms are raising to $160k.

Anyone know anything about raises for DC firms that were already offering $145k?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7481361)





Date: January 25th, 2007 12:33 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac pit organic girlfriend

bumb...certainly someone's heard something...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7481488)





Date: January 25th, 2007 8:58 AM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Can you not fucking read? Even if you'd just click on any link at random, you'd probably find the info you're looking for. Most DC firms whose main office is in NYC are going to $160k (e.g., Skadden, Cleary, Debevoise, etc.). So far, OMM has only raised to $145k, but that might change depending on what the major DC firms do. HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7482371)





Date: January 25th, 2007 9:29 AM
Author: Excitant Son Of Senegal

Just send him over to Above the Law... Your list fairly comprehensive plus Fried Frank and Cadwalader*shudder*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7482417)





Date: January 26th, 2007 4:29 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac pit organic girlfriend

you're right: i cannot read. but i'll trade my reading skillz for $15k anyday!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490411)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:01 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

DC offices at $160K:

Cadwalader

Chadbourne* (only matched NY for 1st years)

Cleary Gottlieb

Clifford Chance

Davis Polk

Debevoise

Dewey Ballantine

Fish & Richardson

Fried Frank

LeBoeuf Lamb

McKee Nelson

Milbank

Orrick

Paul Weiss

Shearman & Sterling

Simpson Thacher

Skadden Arps

Sullivan & Cromwell

Thacher Proffitt & Wood

Weil Gotshal

Willkie Farr

-----------------------

DC offices at $145K:

Akin Gump

Covington & Burling

Gibson Dunn

Hogan & Hartson

Jenner & Block

Latham & Watkins

Mayer Brown

Morrison & Foerster

O'Melveny & Myers

Patton Boggs

Paul Hastings

Sheppard Mullin

Sidley Austin

Steptoe & Johnson

WilmerHale

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490618)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:03 PM
Author: Harsh Heady Trailer Park

any of the big ones still at 135 or (gasp) 125?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490627)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:04 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

All of the rest are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490633)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:47 PM
Author: Passionate tank hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490859)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:04 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Good list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490635)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:17 PM
Author: Carnelian chapel wrinkle

Good list indeed. Am I wrong or have more offices bumped up to $160 than were previously at $145?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490715)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:50 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

To my knowledge, all of the $160K firms bumped up from $145K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490877)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:27 PM
Author: Mahogany Charismatic Round Eye

do you mind keeping this updated with edits?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490762)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:36 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

I'll try my best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490809)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:46 PM
Author: Passionate tank hospital

You forgot Simpson Thacher. Pretty serious omission, considering they led the market upward.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490857)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:48 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

If anyone else finds omissions or mistakes, post it to the list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490868)





Date: February 4th, 2007 3:44 AM
Author: Outnumbered hunting ground

Source?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7541134)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:29 PM
Author: Irate state

DC at $160K is a whole lot better than NYC at $160K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490770)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:36 PM
Author: Mahogany Charismatic Round Eye

thanks, john maynard keynes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490806)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:36 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

Remember though that NY firms usually give better bonuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490812)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:37 PM
Author: Nighttime Fragrant Spot

and you dont have to live in fucking DC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490815)





Date: January 26th, 2007 5:48 PM
Author: Passionate tank hospital

Not necessarily true. Simpson Thacher & Cleary Gottlieb both pay lockstep bonuses across offices, meaning that DC associates make exactly the same total compensation as NYC associates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7490864)





Date: January 26th, 2007 6:25 PM
Author: cobalt rebellious property

Am i the only one who is thinking of going through OCI as a 3L? My firm is CA based and is only going to pay 145 in DC. Why would I stay when I can get 160 in DC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7491063)





Date: January 27th, 2007 11:12 AM
Author: flesh maniacal private investor

Are you really going to go through that again for $8,000? Do you like your firm? Are you comfortable with your decision? Is it really about the money, or do you just want to beat your classmates?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7494742)





Date: January 27th, 2007 1:23 PM
Author: Violent Mood

why 8000? it's more than that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7495260)





Date: January 27th, 2007 5:55 PM
Author: flesh maniacal private investor

33% federal tax (assuming you get more than a 10k bonus, you're in this bracket) + 9% DC tax = you only keep 58% of the $15k. That's $8700. Minus your FICA taxes, and you're getting less than 8 grand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7496528)





Date: January 27th, 2007 6:05 PM
Author: Vibrant Federal Dilemma Water Buffalo

no FICA after the first 90k, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7496598)





Date: January 27th, 2007 6:08 PM
Author: flesh maniacal private investor

You're right. So, OP, will you change firms over $8700?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7496624)





Date: January 27th, 2007 6:31 PM
Author: Passionate tank hospital

You're ignoring the bonus premium. Simpson & Cleary pay lockstep bonuses across offices, so DC employees of those firms are getting NY-level salaries AND bonuses. The same is probably true of at least some other NY firms that pay $160K in DC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7496744)





Date: February 12th, 2007 7:24 PM
Author: Mind-boggling legend

The medicare portion, 1.45%, has no cap. The Social Security portion, 6.2%, is capped at $94,200 for 2006 and $97,500 for 2007.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7591910)





Date: January 27th, 2007 6:16 PM
Author: Passionate tank hospital

I'm already a 3L, but I don't think that's unreasonable at all. If you're only going through OCI at the DC offices that pay 160, it will be a lot less trouble than normal OCI.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7496676)





Date: February 4th, 2007 8:26 PM
Author: Purple stead
Subject: kt008- is $15K really that big of a deal?

I doubt I'd interview again just b/c the firm I got was paying 145K in DC instead of 160K. I mean, the difference is 15K, half of which goes to taxes. That leaves $7500/year. That's barely enough to pay for the blond extensions I use in my mullet. I know, I know. I'm the heightH of class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7544630)





Date: February 4th, 2007 8:54 PM
Author: Flatulent red senate cumskin

lry - I'm shocked that you wouldn't want every $ you could get. Don't you have three wives and five kids to support?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7544823)





Date: January 26th, 2007 7:07 PM
Author: blathering giraffe

Yea, but you're definitely working many more hours for that bonus, including weekends. I think I'd forgo the bonus for the better hours in DC, assuming the base salary is 160K in DC and NY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7491320)





Date: January 26th, 2007 7:09 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Supposedly Covington raised to $160k in NYC and matched Hogan in DC. I sincerely hope this is false:

http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0036Pd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7491329)





Date: January 27th, 2007 4:12 PM
Author: Violent Mood

not false, it was confirmed on ATL. OP should add covington to the 145 group.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7496039)





Date: January 27th, 2007 1:20 PM
Author: ruddy rehab windowlicker

It still isnt enough.

It sad to see law students who havent billed their first 60 hour week clamor over this. When you join these firms (and they're basically all the same), you'll be in misery like 90% of us that are in them now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7495246)





Date: January 27th, 2007 1:22 PM
Author: Violent Mood

which is why everyone wants more money. i think it shows foresight, actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7495255)





Date: January 29th, 2007 7:10 PM
Author: Vigorous Brilliant Point Death Wish

I am in them now. I am already working hard. I want to be paid as much as possible for this work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507595)





Date: January 29th, 2007 1:00 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Add LeBoeuf to the $160k list:

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/01/skaddenfreude_the_leboeuf_lamb.php

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7505687)





Date: January 29th, 2007 6:36 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Add Sidley to the $145k pussies.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/01/skaddenfreude_the_sidley_austi.php

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507431)





Date: January 29th, 2007 7:11 PM
Author: Vigorous Brilliant Point Death Wish

I don't think they're pussies. That's about right for Chicago and DC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507601)





Date: January 29th, 2007 6:49 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

This is bizarre in a sense.

I mean, this isn't going to slaughter Covington or Hogan or the other DC prestige factories but its going to fucking murder the non-NYC branches. Who in their right mind is going to go to Akin, Sutherland, Hunton Williams, King and Spalding, etc. over any NYC branch?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507475)





Date: January 29th, 2007 7:49 PM
Author: Violent Mood

the same people who went when the difference was 10K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507791)





Date: January 29th, 2007 7:13 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
Subject: Fish & Richardson to Covington et al: DING, fags!

This is a great quote:

“We really consider ourselves competing with firms that went beyond $145,000,” said Peter Devlin, president of Fish & Richardson. “We want to be at the top of the market in terms of the work we do, clients we get, and talent we attract.”

http://www.law.com/jsp/dc/PubArticleDC.jsp?id=1170077828980

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507609)





Date: January 29th, 2007 7:44 PM
Author: Violent Mood

stop being delusional. market comp in DC for non-NY firms is now at 145K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507762)





Date: January 29th, 2007 7:54 PM
Author: cobalt rebellious property

No - 10K was annoying, but not totally intolerable. 15K is just way too much of a difference though, esp when half of the DC firms are paying it. It's totally ridiculous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507829)





Date: January 29th, 2007 7:59 PM
Author: Violent Mood

it's a bet by DC firms that people won't migrate. we'll see what happens. at the very least, they're saving some money by postponing any further raises by at least a year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507868)





Date: January 29th, 2007 8:02 PM
Author: cobalt rebellious property

what do you mean it's a bet by DC firms?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507885)





Date: January 29th, 2007 8:06 PM
Author: Violent Mood

DC-based firms, like covington, hogan, akin et al. you probably noticed that 160K is only the norm for satellite offices of NY firms (with the exception of McKee, whose identity is controversial anyway).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507922)





Date: January 29th, 2007 8:15 PM
Author: cobalt rebellious property

Yeah, i definitely noticed. I'm NOT happy about it. I didn't know if you were talking about ppl leaving firms in DC that pay only 145 or about the market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7507992)





Date: January 29th, 2007 8:34 PM
Author: 180 stain corner

why is mckee's identity controversial? what are you talking about?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7508104)





Date: January 29th, 2007 8:35 PM
Author: Violent Mood

there was some debate on ATL about McKee's status as a DC firm. apparently, their NY office is pretty big and Lat was making a convincing argument that they're a NY firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7508115)





Date: January 29th, 2007 8:38 PM
Author: 180 stain corner

i just know their DC office was founded first and their named partners worked in DC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7508133)





Date: January 29th, 2007 8:39 PM
Author: Violent Mood

which is why i used the word controversial. i don't much care who's right in this controversy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7508141)





Date: January 29th, 2007 11:00 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Give it another week. Then we'll see.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7509269)





Date: May 9th, 2007 11:22 AM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Suck it!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#8089756)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:41 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck
Subject: A list from ATL with associate #s

DC offices at $160K (estimated no. of DC associates):

Skadden Arps (176)

Fried Frank (84)

Willkie Farr (62)

Cleary Gottlieb (56)

LeBoeuf Lamb (46)

McKee Nelson (46)

Weil Gotshal (44)

Cadwalader (34)

Clifford Chance (31)

Fish & Richardson (28)

Milbank (26)

Shearman & Sterling (22)

Debevoise (18)

Sullivan & Cromwell (16)

Dewey Ballantine (15)

Paul Weiss (14)

Simpson Thacher (7)

Thatcher Proffitt (9)

Davis Polk (3)

-----------------------

DC offices at $145K (estimated no. of DC associates):

Hogan & Hartson (162)

Covington & Burling (159)

Sidley Austin (109)

O'Melveny & Myers (107)

Mayer Brown (89)

Akin Gump (63)

Morrison & Foerster (51)

Jenner (23)

Sheppard Mullin (15)

No. of associates comes from firm website (some are rough counts) or from NALP.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/01/skaddenfreude_late_afternoon_o.php#comment-11935

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513627)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:44 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

That's 725 @ $160k v. 689 @ $145k by my count.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513641)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:48 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

So for the moment, a little over 700 at 160 firms v. a little under 700 at 145 firms. That said, most of NYC has moved and a lot of DC has not. DC will follow Covington and Hogan. GDC will follow OMM. Kirkland and Mayer will (actually, Mayer just did per ATL) follow Sidley and Jenner.

Other than the few NYC offices left and MAYBE Latham, that's probably it for 160K in DC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513663)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:51 PM
Author: arousing office

unless Wilmer does something crazy and raise it above 145k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513673)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:54 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

I doubt it. They're waiting for Ropes to announce $160K NYC and $145K every where else (most importantly in Boston) so they can safely follow Covington and Ropes.

Wait, did Proskauer go to $160 in Boston?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513684)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:39 PM
Author: arousing office

yep

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513891)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:51 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Yeah, Latham and Wilmer are the big two we're waiting on now. Especially Wilmer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513677)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:57 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

I just don't see what the incentive is for Wilmer. The top of DC would follow them and they'd be no better off, except maybe vis-a-vis Skadden, but I don't even really think that matters much.

Plus they have to deal with Boston, where I think Ropes will set $145K. I don't think they can go 160 in DC without going 160 everywhere.

They'd save a lot of money by going 160 in NYC and 145 everywhere else and I'm not sure how much they gain by going to 160 everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513704)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:00 PM
Author: arousing office

yep, i seriously doubt they'll goto 160...Latham on the other hand...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513722)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:06 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

I'm curious to see where Latham and their "one firm" model goes. Does Wilmer have such a model?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513758)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:10 PM
Author: arousing office

nope, I know Wilmer paid 145 last year in NYC. They'll definitely pay the same in Boston and DC though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513774)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:18 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

Of the top 25s left...

Wilmer, Ropes, Kirkland, GDC, AP: 160K in NYC and 145K everywhere else

Latham: Probably 160K everywhere

JD: 160K in NYC, 145K in DC and LA, whatever they want everywhere else



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513798)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:21 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone transparent kitty cat locale

Did JD definitely go to 145 in DC, or is this just a guess?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513808)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:28 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

These are all guesses, unless I missed something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513842)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:37 PM
Author: self-centered lay

Why would K&E go to 160 NYC, 145 everywhere else, when just a month ago they moved to a model that was NYC, SF, and LA above DC and Chicago?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513885)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:42 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

Yeah, I was just looking at that. I guess they might go $160 out in LA. It remains to see how that shakes out. Maybe they'll wait and see what GDC does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513901)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:47 PM
Author: self-centered lay

Don't know why they'd care about GDC, when they had already raised above them. Seems they want to play at the level of Irell and Quinn. Hard to imagine they'll be the only biglaw office in the country not to make a raise at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513934)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:07 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

You mean you doubt they'll go to 160?

Latham might. For better or worse, they're starting to think they're Skadden.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513762)





Date: January 31st, 2007 10:23 AM
Author: Passionate tank hospital

If they were going to go to 160K, why would they wait so long? It's possible that they want to ambush the cheapskates who are staying at 145K, but it seems more likely that they're waiting to make sure that they can safely stay at 145K themselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7517589)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:57 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

Great find Indubitably.

I suspect this is the way things will stay. So far, I don't believe a single firm went from $135K to $160K. A&P won't be the first to do it. It looks like Latham or Wilmer are the only hopes, but they don't have much incentive to make the leap to $160K (after all, who would pick the NY firms over Wilmer?).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513709)





Date: January 30th, 2007 5:59 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

Wow everyone else beat me to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513717)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:05 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

"So far, I don't believe a single firm went from $135K to $160K"

Didn't Fish? (not that I'd actually heard of them prior to their raise)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513750)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:09 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

It goes without saying that they don't count.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513769)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:38 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

I thought Fish was at 145K, but I guess you're right.

Fried Frank was also at 135K last year, but they raised to 145K a couple weeks before Simpson's raises.

Were there any other firms?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513888)





Date: January 30th, 2007 6:39 PM
Author: self-centered lay

Proskauer went from 135 to 160 in LA and Boston.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7513893)





Date: January 30th, 2007 10:05 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon
Subject: Davis Polk and Thacher Proffitt Wood

I added Davis Polk's 3 associates and Thacher Proffitt Wood's 9 associates to the $160K list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7515236)





Date: January 30th, 2007 10:59 PM
Author: Cracking slimy plaza national security agency

For the DC firms going to 160, does anyone know if the 2007 summers will get a proportional raise as well?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7515561)





Date: January 30th, 2007 11:02 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7515583)





Date: January 30th, 2007 11:07 PM
Author: Cracking slimy plaza national security agency

3000? 3100?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7515629)





Date: January 30th, 2007 11:22 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

I dunno dood. Call them up. Some people are saying $3077, some $3100. I don't care which it is; I just want my firm to raise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7515731)





Date: January 31st, 2007 10:16 AM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

ATL is reporting Mayer DC at $145k. No surprise there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7517565)





Date: January 31st, 2007 12:34 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Damn. Wilmer to $145k. It's over.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/01/skaddenfreude_wilmerhale_and_m.php#more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7518219)





Date: January 31st, 2007 12:36 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

Duh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7518235)





Date: January 31st, 2007 12:42 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

It just doesn't make sense to have such a big split in the market. I think I will reinterview in the fall. DC-based and NYC branch offices aren't that different to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7518267)





Date: January 31st, 2007 12:51 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

I said that above. But its looks like that's gonna be the deal. Ropes will announce now at 160/145. Same with AP.

Don't know what Kirkland and Latham with do but even if they go 160 its not going to move the DC and other non-NYC DC offices.

I mean, I don't think it will hurt them much with laterals who understand there is a potential difference with regard to lifestyle and quality of work. And I don't think its going to hurt Wilmer, Covington, Hogan, A&P, et. al.

But I think it will hurt the Akin, King Spalding, Hunton, etc. contigent who know have no chance of taking any students, not just from the elite DC firms, but from literally any NYC firm. They're going to be bottom feeding like a motherfucker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7518306)





Date: January 31st, 2007 12:59 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Basically. And it will even hurt the top DC firms in their efforts to recruit people who are ambivalent between DC and NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7518354)





Date: February 3rd, 2007 5:27 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

Orrick at $160k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7537938)





Date: February 3rd, 2007 6:09 PM
Author: Poppy Lettuce

Where?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7538100)





Date: February 3rd, 2007 6:11 PM
Author: Insanely creepy nursing home cuck

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1170410599116

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7538106)





Date: February 3rd, 2007 6:20 PM
Author: Poppy Lettuce

Thanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7538142)





Date: February 3rd, 2007 9:38 PM
Author: Sexy Area Pistol

Jones Day too, according to ATL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7539134)





Date: February 3rd, 2007 10:02 PM
Author: Obsidian dragon

What was Jones Day DC paying before the raise?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7539276)





Date: February 12th, 2007 6:24 PM
Author: Mahogany Charismatic Round Eye

K&L Gates to $145 (~90+ associates)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7591605)





Date: February 16th, 2007 11:35 AM
Author: Arrogant massive business firm

Wiley Rein and Holland & Knight DC both to $145k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7614214)





Date: February 16th, 2007 11:46 AM
Author: Azure forum corn cake

I am going to work at a large DC firm and am close with a partner on the compensation committee. He told me that the biggest issue they faced in determining whether to raise first year salaries to $160,000 was that the billing rates for 2007 had already been set in place before the raise. Therefore, most DC firms (including mine) moved up to $145,000. He said they strongly considered going to $160,000; but given the fact that the firm is not based in NYC and that partners felt that only NYC billing rates were high enough to support such a large increase, the firm settled at $145,000. He expects they will be forced to re-examine first-year compensation next year and went so far as to say that he expects salaries will be at $160,000 across the board at this time next year. As far as the effect on summer associate and first-year hiring, he did not seem too concerned about losing candidates (people on this board tend to have a very different view of the summer associate program than most partners... for obvious reasons).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=569368&forum_id=2#7614292)