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TSLA has lost >40% of it's value at least 5x since 2018 and always hit new ATHs.
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Date: March 14th, 2025 8:35 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Brilliant Jewish XO Pumos: "LOL u retard that's all totally irrelevant, history won't repeat itself again -- this time is totally different for reasons, and TSLA is never going to bounce back up again. Hope u sold it all becuz if not UR FUKT!"
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Date: March 14th, 2025 8:36 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
AMAZING COINCIDENCE (SIT DOWN FOR THIS YOU'LL NEVER SEE THE TWIST COMING):
BTC has also lost >75% of it's value at least 5x since 2010, and every time it also rose once again to achieve new ATHs.
...guess what Brilliant Jewish XO Pumos have also been saying about BTC's latest dip?
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Date: March 14th, 2025 8:42 PM Author: brindle razzle-dazzle round eye Idk but elon is the least likable person a lib could ever encounter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48748619) |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 8:46 PM Author: light cuckoldry Memes are the only thing that moon anymore outside of the Top Stocks. So yes it tracks with BTC. Yes I will BTC when it crashes but probably not TSLA. My hands are way more paper with stocks than with crypto for some reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48748632) |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 8:58 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
"Memes are the only thing that moons now bro, TSLA is dun here."
Well... (check the "devastating" URL)
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/03/elon-musk-human-meme-stock/682023/ |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:22 PM Author: disgusting cowardly roast beef house Telsa stock aside, I test drove a Tesla for the first time today. It was the newest "Launch Edition" model Y. Wow. It's an impressive vehicle, electric or not. Extremely fast, good handling, good ride, and very quiet. It was tight and rattle free. The self driving feature, which at first felt eerie, is really good. It made one mistake and turned into the Costco parking lot trying to avoid construction and wandered around for a while. Seriously considering buying one of these. Never thought I would want an electric car. I am astonished at how good it is. BTW, the Tesla dealership was extremely busy with people picking up new cars and test driving. Not a protester in sight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48748704) |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:26 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish for how many miles and how much time was the self driving feature errorless? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48748712) |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:37 PM Author: disgusting cowardly roast beef house I had a 30 minute demo drive time slot. I spent about 15 minutes of it with self driving on. It was all in traffic, so maybe 6 miles. The only mistake it made was getting confused in the Costco parking lot. Blocked off roads that probably weren't in the map seemed to be causing the problem. It couldn't tell they were blocked until it saw them, then it seemed to figure it out and was rerouting me, but I intervened and took over as I was running out of time and I knew the dealership had another driver queued up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48748744) |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:48 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish thanks. will the computer switch lanes if the other lane is (seemingly) faster? does the computer ever drive aggressively or is it annoyingly passive? or neither? |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 2:38 AM Author: disgusting cowardly roast beef house If the car in front of you is going slower than your set limit (up to 40% over speed limit with I think an 85 mph top) it will change lanes. Scared the crap out of me first time it did that. It has selectable aggressiveness: chill, standard, and hurry. I kept it in standard. In standard it drove pretty much the same way I usually do, but with less aggressive acceleration. The acceleration is entertaining. It’s instant and strong at all speeds. Regan braking is very pronounced. Takes a little practice to be smooth. Auto driving is always smooth.
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:20 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Flame, I hear these ugly shitbox* deathtraps** are universally hated because they fucking suck -- plus nobody actually buys them***, so there's no way you could have actually ridden in one even if you wanted to. And their "Full Self Driving" is just mid-tier autopilot, it's not even as good as most other makers honestly and Elon is just a total scam artist hawking dreams and bullshit to his stupid shrinking cult.**** You fucking liar!
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*Teslas have some of the highest consumer satisfaction ratings of any vehicles on the road.
**Statistically speaking, Teslas also rank very high among the safest vehicles on the road.
***Teslas have also ranked high among the best-selling cars in America since 2020.
***LJL but I literally hear irate shitlib kikes say stuff like this now unironically. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 5:26 PM Author: disgusting cowardly roast beef house I was drawn to the Tesla place by all the hate. We must have no libs because it was bustling. The car was amazingly good. I did not expect that. I worked on the great MIT/Caltech great electric car race in 1968. MIT lost. Our entry was a Corvair stuffed full of batteries and I really appreciate the engineering and production cleverness that has gone into Teslas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750559) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 5:33 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Libs, we literally have half-senile old Boomers ITT (no offense bro) who "get" what's going on on a far deeper level than any of you. Why is that? |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 6:26 PM Author: disgusting cowardly roast beef house Correction: 1/e (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750688) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 6:32 PM Author: motley olive box office Have you thought about taking one last Boomer Trip to China and taking in the sights of Tommy Turdskin's Technological Juicetopia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750703) |
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Date: March 16th, 2025 1:17 AM Author: disgusting cowardly roast beef house I'll just look at TT's pictures. I would only go to China if I had a purpose other than tourism and did not have to follow around somebody holding a pink umbrella. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48751671) |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:26 PM Author: Beta address TSLA may do well in the future, but not as long as Elon Musk is CEO. Guarantee he’s out of there by the end of the decade, either by choice or by force. No path forward for a political outcast. Stock will go to zero as long as he’s involved. |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish npc alert. libs have shit for brains |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:33 PM Author: Beta address Okay. So tell me why an absent Elon Musk, more focused on running around the White House with a chainsaw than running his company, who has singlehandedly caused the widespread vandalism and declining sales of Teslas which show no signs of slowing down, is such a vital part of the company that they’re willing to let the brand die over it? I’ll wait for your answer. |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:43 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish brand die? lib buyers will now be replaced by conservative buyers in the us. moderate buyers will also increase. not saying this will make up enough for the near future as i consider teslas to be lib things, but only 50% of tesla's sales are in the us non us people don't give a fuck about what elon is doing
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:46 PM Author: Beta address Lmao. Conservative buyers will replace lib buyers. Europe doesn’t care what Elon Musk is doing. Good fucking luck Tesla stock holders. You’re cooked. |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:55 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish by the way, musk has caused the vandalism of teslas? surely you don't believe that unless you are a fucking moron hysterical loser shitlibs have caused the vandalism, agree? |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 10:01 PM Author: Beta address As long as we can agree that Conservatives are the ones causing the vandalism of BLM memorials. The only difference between the two is that one is a political protest and the other is a hate crime. |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 11:13 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish blm is so de facto repulsive to american ideals that any vandalism to blm memorials (lol, there really has been "vandalism" to this shit?) could be done by anyone of any political leanings so, lefty criminals destroying personal property is supposed to be less egregious? yeah, no. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:32 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
"Normies will totally blame Tesla for these acts of vandalism, and hail the gay little twinkish shitlib masked-up antifa fags as 'brave freedom fighters' for doing it. Trust me, I know these things... NPCS love it when hardcore political activists fuck with total strangers' cars and film it for clout on social media!"
LJL these people actually believe this insane shit. It's like they've never shot the shit with normal regular blue collar workers in a bar even one time in their entire lives. Their entire lived experience consistent entirely of existing in a gay little curated hardcore shitlib bubble (probably primarily comprised of Jews) where everyone they knew agreed that Mitt Romney was "a total evil fascist" back in 2012 and now constantly walks around prefacing all of their statements with personal pronounce announcements and long land acknowledgements.
Then again, they're the same folx who still somehow truly think that "OMG these horrible fascists won't let biological men who identify as women play high school women's sports, this is Nazi Germany 2.0!" is a winning position to take in national American elections.
It's almost like you people are totally detached from reality and extremely stupid. Almost! |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 10:10 PM Author: Vigorous chest-beating piazza affirmative action https://time.com/7266929/heres-how-teslas-sales-have-been-hit-around-the-world/
Tesla sales are apparently down bad around the world |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 2:53 PM Author: Beta address 94% of Germans say they will never buy a Tesla But sealclubber definitely isn’t a retard https://x.com/electrekco/status/1900576922460950688 |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:30 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
LJL at you actually believing this "statistic." Yeah, Tesla will basically never sell another product in Germany for the rest of time unless Elon steps down, trust me this is a fact I know these things the political science is settled!
What's the actual max IQ to believe that's how things will actually play out in reality a year or two down the line? Maybe 90?
No wonder you people are getting thrashed in elections now, you're literally delusional. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:29 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Here's the answer:
At the end of the day, outside of a tiny fringe minority of hardcore political partisans, no one actually gives a fuck if OMG BUSINESSMAN BAD when the businessman in question is pumping out amazing products that they really want to buy.
I won't even bother to get into the list of incredible shit that Tesla is planning to launch by 2029 (#1 on the list doesn't even involve cars btw), because you're either an actual retard or a literal ShareBlue paid demoralization actor -- or more likely, both -- but LJL if you're predicting that Tesla is cooked and Elon is gonna get thrown out on his ass because the stonk price never recovers. It's gonna be a long four years for you, bud. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: Beta address And your contention is that they need absent-father Elon Musk to do incredible shit? Seems like he is spending exactly 0 time with his company and 100% of his time doing bullshit with DOGE. Why don’t investors go “hmmm maybe we could have this incredible shit without this feckless political albatross” I don’t see a scenario where they don’t go “So long, and thanks for all the fish!” to him within the next few years. Of course, if you’re a Trump/Musk cultist, I’m sure you attribute all of Tesla’s success to him. Which you are. Maybe you’re right though, but it won’t really matter because the long view of history is that Elon Musk ends up in prison at the end of this story. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:39 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Yes, my contention is that Elon Musk is a visionary genius and a fantastic businessman who will change the world in multiple lasting ways and be remembered in the history books long after he's dead. And the Tesla BOD (as well as most hardcore Tesla investors) share that belief and are strapped in for the ride.
Considering the trajectory of his life and career so far, that contention seems to be pretty spot on btw.
U? Poast.
BTW I notice you haven't responded to this poast btw:
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750251 |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:41 PM Author: Beta address He’s a “visionary genius” who is increasingly hated and spends almost no time on his company anymore. U? Can’t refute this and are a Musk cultist. I will enjoy watching your holdings go to 0. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:42 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Sure thing bud it's all over for Elon, he's cooked and all of The Experts agree!
Still no response to my poast below btw? Odd case. ;) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:44 PM Author: Beta address I’m glad we can agree that he’s increasingly disliked to his company’s detriment and that he has little involvement in Tesla these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750294) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
You c. February 2020:
"Sure, it's possible that the GOP may win the POTUSSY again in the future, but not as long as Blondalf Drumpfth is the head of the party.
Guarantee he's done here after this 1/6 debacle, jfc just look at his polling he is hated by more than half of the country and he's historically unpopular, like 30% of Americans now literally think he's a 'traitor'. No path forward for someone like that. GOP is fukt as long as he's calling the shots."
LJL, history may not repeat but it sure does rhyme... |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:43 PM Author: Beta address The people will get justice on Trump on this side of the divide. I have no doubts about that. Musk isn’t Trump btw, although I know you dickride both equally. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:43 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
*Yawn*
"Here's why ackkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkshually I was totally right when I confidently issued that prediction, when you REALLY stop and think about it...."
*adjusts buttplug* |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:45 PM Author: Beta address Do you really want to play the “failed prediction” game Mr. “I’ll retire if Trump wins”? Which you didn’t do btw, because you have no character. At least I didn’t stake my reputation on it! |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:45 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Wow, we're totally the same! You got me!
LJL Ari |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:46 PM Author: Beta address No we’re not the same. I’m superior to few people, but I am superior to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750301) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:47 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
*Yawn*
This schtick is low effort, do it better or let someone else run it. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:48 PM Author: Beta address *shrug* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750306) |
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Date: March 14th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish to be faggot, showing a strong love of technical analysis which is a low iq trait fundamental analysis is what matters in the end unless you get lucky |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:26 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
What the fuck are you talking about, idiot? Nothing ITT is "technical analysis," LJL at you thinking me pointing out "stonk go down then stonk go up again many times in the past, hmmmm I wonder if that could repeat again in the future" is "technical analysis."
No wonder you love Israel so much, you're literally retarded. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 4:13 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish to be faggot, i'm retarded? that is exactly technical analysis. drawing a conclusion from a previous result while ignoring everything else (such as why the drops and rebounds happened).
Technical analysis is a trading discipline that analyzes statistical data gathered from trading activity. It aims to identify trading opportunities by tracking chart patterns, discerning price and volume trends, evaluating investments, and predicting future price movements based on past performance. oh, and by the way, you actually posted some legitimate reasons to believe why the stock price will rebound earlier today. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 4:14 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
This is right up there with NYUUG waving his hands around and trying to explain what "shorts" were to the bort back in 2021.
"Uh, yeah bud, you pulled up the historical price chart and briefly talked about the prior price swings of a famously volatile stonk and suggested they could repeat themselves again in the future... pretty sure that you're engaging in 'technical analysis' here, sorry champ. BTW, you do know that's discredited low-IQ pseudoscience, right amigo?"
Wow! Themoreyouknow.jpg |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 4:17 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish at least you're admitting you were using technical analysis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750386) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 4:18 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
CR I'm cooked you got me |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 4:21 PM Author: Beta address His “fundamental analysis” is that Elon Musk can do no wrong and will never see consequences for anything he does. Hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750402) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:46 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
50 poasts later, a summary of the collective shitlib response to this OP:
"LOL u retard that's all totally irrelevant, history won't repeat itself again -- this time is totally different for reasons, and TSLA is never going to bounce back up again. Hope u sold it all becuz if not UR FUKT!"
Wow... now how did I ever predict that?!
lol |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:51 PM Author: Beta address I can’t stop LOLing at the idea of TBF being the “your predictions are shit!” guy. Very funny! Trump and Musk could still have a downfall and I could still be proven right, but Trump will have always won in 2016 and TBF will always have been wrong about that. Btw, SOL and TSLA are two other things the jury is still out on. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:53 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
I have by far the best track record of making prescient financial calls in XO history. In fact, the most damning "LOL TBF is Rudolph 2.0 what a retard" poast that my detractors have is a thread that is literally 10 years old now, where I was wrong about a *political* (not financial) call that >90% of professional political pundits also whiffed.
U? Poast.
HTH. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:59 PM Author: Beta address You have some serious ego issues and you aren’t a prophet. You haven’t made any predictions that were seriously risky. Betting that Tesla stock is going to go up? Elon purchasing Twitter is going to be a big deal? You think that makes you Moses or something? I’m just saying it is so fucking insane to say “you’re wrong because I’m a MASTER PREDICTOR AND I SAY SO” and then not respond to any of my warrants. So just sit down little man and watch what happens. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
"You haven't made any predictions that were seriously risky"
CR fair, everyone knew that BTC/ETH were going to moon back in 2013/2017. Everyone knew that TSLA was going to be the next big thing in 2018. This was all just common knowledge! That's why I spent the better part of a decade getting constantly mocked by Jewish XO Pumos as a "gullible retard" for making those calls, IMO.
BTW if this is a MASE alt account I do appreciate the effort my friend, but you should be a little more subtle because this is currently too hamfisted IMO. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 4:10 PM Author: Beta address Hey look the guy that made a good stock pick (for now) now says that Elon Musk (a babbling retard who has zero charisma) is incapable of a downfall! This is persuasive to some posters here, I imagine |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:54 PM Author: mind-boggling giraffe church The OP is retarded whether you're right or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750329) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 3:55 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
*Checks my track record of making documented prescient financial calls on XO over the last decade*
*Checks my bank account statements from 2015 - 2025*
"Haha yeah, you got me, haha." |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 4:17 PM Author: mind-boggling giraffe church Congrats on the bank account. At the end of the day that's all that matters.
But pitching "buy the dip" on the most volatile assets of the past decade because it worked before is stupid af. The S&P tripled since 2015. Everyone made money, and many of us without multiple 40%+ drawdowns |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 5:28 PM Author: motley olive box office To be fair,
Screenshot of you're bank account, sir? |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 5:31 PM Author: Beta address This is one of his more embarrassing threads and it should be an ultimate refutation of the idea that he’s a “great debater” or whatever the fuck Cons say about him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750570) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 11:29 PM Author: overrated startled theatre death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48751374) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 5:34 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
NFFI, I saw what happened last time someone did this and I refuse to be outted as Christopher Gravens Jr. |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 6:29 PM Author: Floppy coffee pot hairy legs brand erosion is real though and impact the fundamentals when the demand craters by 50%+. alienating your base rarely works well. not like the maga retards are lining up to by a tesla in their place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750698) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 6:34 PM Author: Beta address All I really want is a refutation of this point, but all I’m getting is “Tesla is just too amazing to be ignored” Yeah well people are setting Cybertrucks on fire nationwide so |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 6:35 PM Author: diverse autistic doctorate Have they ever had their sales drop by 50% during any of those downturns? What do you think the odds are that libs get over it and start buying teslas again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750709) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 7:26 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Hey just curious, does this "Has [X] ever happened before...?" argument work both ways and potentially also move the price in Tesla's favor going forward, or does it conveniently only ever work one way (cutting against Tesla)? Asking for a friend.
Exs:
"Has Tesla ever put a functional autonomous robotaxi on the market before?"
"Has Tesla ever put a functional helper robot (~$50k/pop or whatever) that can help Boomers stay in their gay McMansions longer without having to move into a shitty and expensive 'retirement community' on the market before?"
Etc etc.
(In b4 you avoid giving a substantive response to this legitimate question which raises legitimate points and instead either just ignore it or deny the premise ie "LOL Elon will never do that shit he's a conman amazing that you still buy into his lies and bullshit" etc etc) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 7:29 PM Author: diverse autistic doctorate So that’s a no? First time sales have dropped by 50%? Guess we’ll see what unfolds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750814) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 7:30 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
Whoa -- just like magic, I correctly predicted what you would do here. How did I know that would be your move?!
I guess this means Tesla is just permanently cooked and Felony Musky is dun here. Thank goodness you don't own any TSLA, you'll be thrilled with that decision in 2030 I'm sure. ;) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 7:53 PM Author: diverse autistic doctorate You’re right, libs will probably get over it eventually and go back to buying Teslas. This kinda does seem like it will be short lived and blow over. Libs got over the Seaworld thing eventually and you never hear about it anymore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694326&forum_id=2#48750866) |
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Date: March 15th, 2025 8:01 PM Author: marvelous carmine nursing home wrinkle To be fair,
"No, Marge, we're not getting of those goddamn Optimus bots, I don't -- Huh? So what if Lisa and Dan are gonna be able to continue to live in their house indefinitely? Do you even REMEMBER when FELON MUSKY threw that Heil Hitler salute on the teevee?! We all saw it happen!!! We live under FASCISM now!!! Just because they're willing to sell out to Hitler 2.0 for a little convenience doesn't mean I will... I'll be damned if I'm EVER going to buy another Tesla product again... if we have to sell this house and relocated to a $10k/month retirement community, then so be it!!!"
Lol yep sure thing bud, that sounds like all the Boomers I know. That's always been their generational defining trait, IMO... they're just principled and high-minded to a fault... ;) |