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Building new house in midwest: natural gas or electric furnace?
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:15 AM Author: Aqua Locus Gas is 50% cheaper. Any reason not to go gas? I know theres a lot of electric fanbois out there.
I do kind of hate: a) having to plumb a separate system for a furnace, and theres some cost there. How much does set up cost? And b) having a separate bill/utility/point of failure.
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:16 AM Author: sticky pit scourge upon the earth gotta do both if you’re in a cold climate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904659) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:26 AM Author: Aqua Locus Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904705) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 12:06 PM Author: Know-it-all frozen hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48905240) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:19 AM Author: Milky motley dilemma fanboi You have this one figured out already. You said it yourself—it’s a slam dunk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904666) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:26 AM Author: Aqua Locus Ty. I agree want a sanity check (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904702) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:20 AM Author: Peach prole just get an a/c that doubles as a heat pump. it's more efficient than gas at higher temperatures and gives you redundant heating systems. you can program thermostats to engage whichever system is best depending on the outside temperature and never think about it again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904669) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:26 AM Author: Aqua Locus Where do you live? Is that viable for 3k square foot house where it routi ely goes <0 in winter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904697) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:31 AM Author: Peach prole sorry, i meant in addition to a gas furnace.
heat pumps are very efficient at warmer temps but below freezing become very inefficient. they make "low temperature" heat pumps which just add electric coils which are extremely inefficient.
the biggest reason is that the only difference between a heat pump and a/c is which way the refrigerant is flowing, so you essentially already have a heat pump with an a/c system, all they have to add is a valve that can reverse the flow and a system to control it. so if you're getting a/c you might as well spend a little bit to get one that doubles as a heat pump so you're not running the furnace when its' 35-60 and you've got redundant heating systems. |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:46 AM Author: Aqua Locus Thanks, and yes i get the concept and know of many heat pump fanbois.
I like the redundancy. Knowing how expensive ac is, is it really more cost effective than just blasting your cheap natgas furnace when its 45 out? Would love to know more.
I also plan to have a woodburning masonry furnace in basement as an additional redundant heating system, and to take the sting out of heating bills. I will have a lot of wood. |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:53 AM Author: Peach prole biomass is 180. many wood furnaces even qualify for energy efficient tax credits.
there are so many variables with hvac. your location, cost of fuel, your houses soze, how well its insulated, etc. |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:33 AM Author: boyish juggernaut affirmative action Gas, so you can have a gas stove and gas dryer too. Huge perk and dumb not to do it if you are in an area where gas is available. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904724) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:49 AM Author: Amethyst judgmental lay haunted graveyard ti,oc,tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904750) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 11:03 AM Author: Garnet Boiling Water Roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48905022) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:33 AM Author: fishy razzmatazz cruise ship twinkling uncleanness Going electric-only in the midwest is insane, as are the shitlibs in Evanston, IL who banned gas in all new construction. It gets too cold.
Also gas stoves are 180. |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 9:15 AM Author: burgundy dingle berry Induction is far better than gas. gas is 170. induction is 176, old electric is 150.
I can make a large moka pot in under a minute, leave things simmering like a crock pot, and blast searing heat on/off in 1 second. No fumes. |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 9:22 AM Author: fishy razzmatazz cruise ship twinkling uncleanness lol faggit I got a water boiler for boiling water quickly, induction is for redditor fags (redundant). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48907669) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:34 AM Author: Cocky university fortuitous meteor Sounds like you lost before you started (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904729) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:47 AM Author: Aqua Locus Why? Brcause i live in the midwest? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904748) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:56 AM Author: Magical rigor trailer park why are you not just buying a home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904768) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 9:58 AM Author: Aqua Locus Most homes suck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48904775) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: Irradiated public bath halford I have geothermal heat pumps. They are great, though more expensive to buy and install, but somewhat offset by tax credits (30% Federal, plus some states). DO NOT use electric resistance heating - though cheaper to install, costs 4-5x as much to run as geothermal. Air interface heat pumps are also problematic in cold weather. Natural gas is very good if it's available. In our non-development rural location the closest gas line is about 1.5 miles away. You can also use propane, of course, if natural gas is not available.
The geothermals (which is really a misnomer - they are technically ground sink/source heat pumps)cost very little to run in AC mode (their EER is about 30), and generate about 4-5x as much energy as they use when in heating mode. Our house is 4670 sq ft plus 4000 sq ft basement and well insulated.
One possible disadvantage of any electric heating system is that if you live in an area with frequent power outages and want to have a backup generator to cover the electric heating load it will get huge and expensive. I use a wood stove and bottled propane gas logs for backup heat, though have never needed it.
I have two of these: https://www.waterfurnace.com/residential/products/geothermal-heat-pumps/500a11
Since there's no combustion they are very safe. You can throw away your CO detector.
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Date: May 5th, 2025 12:28 PM Author: Aqua Locus Interesting. How comapres to nat gas? Assume natgas hookup already at the street. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48905324) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 12:36 PM Author: Irradiated public bath halford Depends on electricity vs. gas rates in your area. Geothermal costs more to buy and install than a furnace and a/c. It will also require either a lot of land for a horizontal underground heat exchange loop (mine runs out about 275 feet from the house), or room for multiple vertical wells. That makes it troublesome if you live ina dense residential area. Horizontal loops are cheaper. Here's the main WaterFurnace web site. It has some kind of cost calculator feature. Several companies make these. WF is in Indiana and has been good IME. https://www.waterfurnace.com/reliable?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Hawk_Search_BD_Phrase/Exact_Branded-Leads&utm_term=water%20furnace&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjww-HABhCGARIsALLO6Xzt8QTzSxindq9khlal0XOycWN2xdjNc-1pyeo3fPe89StS8Q8SVCUaAu_qEALw_wcB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48905359) |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 9:51 AM Author: Hairraiser hospital toaster a 4000sqft basement? do u have a boomer masturbation bunker or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48907739) |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 6:08 PM Author: Irradiated public bath halford No, it's just that the footings have to be so deep anyway it costs not much to keep on going and have a basement. It's unfinished and full of hobby stuff and junk. Does have 10 foot ceilings and HVAC and roughed in plumbing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48909252) |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 9:59 AM Author: soul-stirring nursing home codepig I can't believe nobody ITT is considering solar + heat pump + battery storage. Combined you can get free HVAC forever and can even add in an electric car to completely own your entire energy consumption. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48907756) |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 10:03 AM Author: fishy razzmatazz cruise ship twinkling uncleanness yeah free HVAC in the Midwest in January, solar only. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48907760) |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 10:07 AM Author: soul-stirring nursing home codepig Yes, extremely possible. Lots of off grid people doing exactly this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48907769) |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 6:06 PM Author: Irradiated public bath halford My AZ HVAC guy built himself an off grid mountain cabin with exactly this set up. I ran some numbers and batteries kill the economics, esp in a cloudy area where you need a lot of storage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48909241) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 11:04 AM Author: Cream yarmulke gas every time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48905023) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 12:29 PM Author: Iridescent mentally impaired church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48905330) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 12:29 PM Author: Iridescent mentally impaired church always gas whenever it's an option (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48905329) |
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Date: May 5th, 2025 1:29 PM Author: violet galvanic reading party principal's office gas yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48905541) |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 9:44 AM Author: Aqua Locus Ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48907734) |
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Date: May 6th, 2025 9:44 AM Author: Milky motley dilemma fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5720579&forum_id=2#48907735) |