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Date: February 11th, 2007 6:52 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary And how this or that is associated with "poors" are more than likely people from an impoverished background. I've never seen any regular people discuss the concept of "poors." I mean even though they make a lower income, they are still probably nice people. Why make fun of them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585225) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 6:55 PM Author: mustard hell Have you ever lived amongst legitimate poors? Like in an apartment complex full of them? Poors are full of hatred and social vices and criminality. They are also "slow" mentally. That's all there is to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585254) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 6:57 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage i lived very cheaply in L school... i was surrounded by poors bc in NYC everything is so expensive that even poors have to drop $1000/month for a 1BR apt. it was awful. i agree with a lot of what you said.
that said, i'd still prefer to live amongst poors rather than hipsters in brooklyn somewhere |
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Date: February 12th, 2007 6:59 AM Author: excitant library immigrant The people who spend $1000/mo on an apt in NYC are not the city's "poors" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7588810) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 6:57 PM Author: rusted heady associate You failed to note their violent cup-shaking tendencies in H-sq. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585265) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 6:58 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary No, I have not lived with people who were impoverished. However, I volunteered at a free clinic and they seemed nice for the most part. Why would they be any different? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585273) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:01 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage many are nice.
but when you live amongst them, you see a different side.
a lot of law students dont want to pay top $ for rent and end up living amongst poors and i think its a big wakeup call.
i remember waking up in my slumlike apt in nyc and driving to my parents' multi-mil house in a township where you cant subdivide to less than 2 acres (done to keep poors out) and seeing how much more at ease everyone was. living around poverty produces stress and hypervigilance. not to mention stench |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:03 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary While I honestly admit that I would never live in a destitute neighborhood and my parents would never allow me to do that, I feel bad when people make fun of people from lower SES.
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:06 PM Author: aqua autistic stage boistinker most people here do it because they are insecure and need to make themselves feel better. this is done by judging the less fortunate. its sad and just as ignorant as anything they are judging. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585330) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:09 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary It's pretty sad. I don't see how being wealthy or upper middle class is anything to be proud of. If anything, I think something which enables to you think of yourself as great would be something like winning a Noble Prize or Pulitzer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585354) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:08 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage "The vast majority of homes in any good suburban average for about that much. I don't you can get a home for a less than a million in most places." -----------------------------------
my parents don't live in a suburban area. where they live, land goes for like 150k/acre.
they do, however, live in a place ranked by money magazine as one of the top 5 places to live the last time i looked. it's pretty rural. no blacks, as in zero. no latinos, except as maids. some middle easterners and asians (physicians usually).
good try though. oh, and i'm not a poors but i'm nothing special. typical biglaw 2nd yr. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:14 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary my parents don't live in a suburban area. where they live, land goes for like 150k/acre.
they do, however, live in a place ranked by money magazine as one of the top 5 places to live the last time i looked. it's pretty rural. no blacks, as in zero. no latinos, except as maids. some middle easterners and asians (physicians usually).
good try though. oh, and i'm not a poors but i'm nothing special. typical biglaw 2nd yr.
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LOL, once again you sound incredibly insecure. Why are you listing all this out to me?
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:18 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage bc you made the assumption i was talking about suburban sprawl which is replete with trashy poors.
i was talking about the PHYSICAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL differences i personally experienced going from a poors-laden apartment building in NYC to a rich rural-esque area in MD
its a huge change. once again, you havent actually lived AMONGST the poors. i did. i did so bc my parents dont/didnt spoil me and i was working to pay for law school. at the time, heck, i was a poors i guess.
but to deny there are HUGE DIFFERENCES between people who are structurally poor and ppl who are middle/upper middle class is naive. like i said, you obviously haven't walked the walk. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:21 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary Once again, I must say that you're an idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585438) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:25 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage you deny that there are huge differences between the structurally poor and the hard-working middle class?
wow. you're not even worth debating. you really seem to think the only differences are "tough luck" or "racism".
i acknowledge there are poors who have had bad luck or are victims of racism. but i'm talking about whole huge swaths of urban areas that think that they should invest in rims, deal drugs, and be loud + obnoxious whenever possible. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:11 PM Author: Indigo sex offender I don't think he was really bragging about the price of the house, I think he was making a point about suburban communities that actively try to keep out poors. There are many communities in Cali that do this. I think in e.g. Santa Monica there are rules about who can use the parks, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585366) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:15 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage ya, my 'rents are actually just upper middle class like 80% of xoxo posters' parents. at age 50 its pretty par for the course.
however, one thing i was saying was: they have zero poors. none. nothing even approaching it. and its amazing how the atmosphere is different.
there literally are not houses under 1mil and there are no apartments. the cheapest things around are probably the rundown horse farms in the area |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:17 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary Once again, why do you have to keep mentioning that you're neighborhood has "zero poors?" Why does it matter for you to mention it?
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:23 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage its not MY neighborhood.
fwiw, i live in a not so nice area. i live not far from Howard Univ in DC. i want to pay off my loans so i can leave biglaw.
anyway, it makes a HUGE psychological difference when you're in an area where there is no poverty. i'll let Petro take it from here... but to an extent, its something you have to live amongst to really understand.
even if an area just has some poors, theres always tension. when an area is literally POORS-PROOF (due to zoning) its a whole different ballgame. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:16 PM Author: racy casino Santa Monica?! Are you joking? |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:17 PM Author: Carnelian principal's office generalized bond "The vast majority of homes in any good suburban average for about that much."
yeah, i was just thinking that scottsdale is a shitty suburb. most of chicago's north shore is also shitty. they definitely don't have houses averaging $1 million. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:19 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary Well I don't really know about other areas. But I'm referring to NYC/New Jersey suburban areas because that is what I am most familar with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585417) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:20 PM Author: Carnelian principal's office generalized bond maybe you should learn what the word "any" means. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585430) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:22 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary Yeah I heard the situation was different in the midwest and South. Doctors make a ton more there too. I need to move. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585446) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:28 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage umm... considering i was talking about rural maryland, you were way off. i love how you [mis]used the word "any" also.
classic. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:35 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary Whatever, I am just saying that unless you live like Master P or all those rappers shown on MTV Cribs it's pretty TTT to make fun of poors or brag about your standard of living. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585519) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:40 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage i wasn't bragging. i was just stating that it was AWFUL to live in an area where bad behavior was the norm/tolerated and idiots/thugs were exalted. it was a huge fact of life for me at that time... the fact i went to work early in the AM and then went to law school at night, coming home from library around 12mid or 1am. and i couldnt walk down the block or through my building lobby without being subjected to seeing drug deals, being harassed, hearing loud kids running around on a school night, and smelling weed all throughout my building.
i wanted to juxtaposition this with a type of living on the rise--ppl moving to exurban areas ~1 hr from a smallish city where zoning is very protective and therefore people just assume everyone else is good and the quality of interactions are enormously improved |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:00 PM Author: aqua autistic stage boistinker "Poors are full of hatred and social vices and criminality."
that is true for any class or group of people |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:06 PM Author: mustard hell When you live in an apartment complex full of poors, here is what you will see:
-Drug-deals, both out of people's apartments and out in the parking lot.
-People getting into fistfights and pissing on the building after dark.
-The occasional stabbing or shooting, often stemming from an incident where a car pulls into the parking lot and people start screaming at each other.
-Rampant theft. Cars are broken into; you better double-bolt your door and stack shit next to your window to keep out robbers.
-The occasional mugging in the parking lot, often by a resident wearing a hood and looking for drug money.
-The constant thrum of police sirens after dark. Domestic violence calls every couple of days. Men and women screaming at each other.
-Kids starting fires.
-Screaming kids generally.
-Mexicans.
-Etc. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:07 PM Author: aqua autistic stage boistinker you're an idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585336) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:09 PM Author: mustard hell I don't think you know about poverty and the underclass in America. I'm not talking about "I'm in college and live cheaply" "poors," I'm talking about those who are structurally poor and live amongst other poors. When a man is released from jail after a couple years in for assault, where do you think he goes? Usually to one of these concentrations of poors that I have described above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585346) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:11 PM Author: aqua autistic stage boistinker my statement stands (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585364) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:26 PM Author: mustard hell C'mon, Plow. Why are you standing up for poors? You know damn well poors ain't gonna stand up for you when you're getting your shit jacked in the parking lot of one of their apartment complexes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585467) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:11 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage i experienced the same thing as Petro.
also, the landlords (in my case, a huge apartment tower ~25 stores) treat everyone the same so if you live amongst poors they assume youre a poors too and act with an iron fist which can be pretty insulting
i think Petro is just being honest here... i lived amongst the structurally poor and it wasnt fun at all. but i was never home so it worked out alright. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:19 PM Author: Learning Disabled Telephone wtf you're the last person who should be making this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585421) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:24 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary I don't make fun of poors and in general I'm a nice person. You have the wrong impression of me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585457) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:25 PM Author: Learning Disabled Telephone but you're a complete prestige whore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585463) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:29 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary Yes, I am a complete PRESTIGE WHORE. I want be prestigious and successful. I also admit that I wouldn't just go and make friends with a homeless person. But I don't make fun of people who are of low income. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585487) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:34 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage we're not talking low income. we're talking cyclical, structural poverty. poverty of the mind, of morals, and of taste. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585511) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 8:28 PM Author: unholy chrome theater stage I summered with the Boston / New York WASP establishment year-after-year before college, and never heard the use of "poors" prior to seeing it on this board. This, despite the fact that there was plenty of negative comments about the Blacks, Jews, Asians and so on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585832) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 8:34 PM Author: Olive arrogant legal warrant stage they didn't say "poors", they probably said "white trash" or unfortunately TTT's though.
different terminology, similar discussion. |
Date: February 11th, 2007 7:09 PM Author: Opaque hairy legs In a lot of ways, xoxo's disdain for poors stems from the pleasures of contrarianism, shock humor, and a sly nod to all things prestigious, but the sense of irony doubles back on itself. Adorno kind of nailed this one on the head:
>They, the people. [in English in original] – The circumstance that intellectuals mostly deal with other intellectuals should not mislead them into thinking they are worse than the rest of humanity. For they encounter one another primarily in the most embarrassing and degrading situation of all, that of competing supplicants, and are thereby nearly always compelled to show their worst side to each other. Other people, especially the simple folk whose virtues intellectuals are wont to praise, usually meet them in the role of someone trying to sell them something, who doesn’t have to worry about the customer horning in on their turf. It is easy for the auto mechanic and the sales-girl at the liquor store to remain free of impudence: friendliness is in any case mandated from above. If on the other hand illiterates come to intellectuals in order to have letters written, these latter may indeed make a reasonably good impression. But the moment simple folk have to brawl for their share of the social product, they surpass anything in the canon of envy and hatefulness displayed by literati or musical directors. The glorification of the splendid underdogs [in English in original] ends up in glorifying the splendid system which made them so. The justifiable feelings of guilt of those exempted from physical labor ought not become an excuse for rural idiocy [famous phrase used by Marx to describe the stagnation of peasant life]. Intellectuals who write solely about intellectuals and give them their bad name in the name of that which is authentic [Echtheit] only strengthen the lie. A large part of the prevailing anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, all the way to Huxley, is set in motion by the fact that writers complain about the mechanism of competition without themselves being able to see through the latter, and so fall victim to such. In the field most their own, they have shut out the consciousness of tat twam asi ["Thou art this,” quote from Upanishads]. That is why they then rush into Indian temples. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:22 PM Author: Carnelian principal's office generalized bond please finish your work on the tractus breasticus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585442) |
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Date: February 12th, 2007 6:09 AM Author: Opaque hairy legs All in due time, friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7588800) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:26 PM Author: Hilarious Spot De Tocqueville's admiration for the US was that the vast amounts of land created greater opportunities for Americans compared to Europeans, and American citizens have the opportunity to aspire to become middle class whereas Europeans lack the same opportunities. He admired the middle class ethos of the US. There's nothing wrong with being middle class, and for hoping that hte middle class expands and inequality decreases. It's the extremes of wealth and poverty that lead to violent revolutions. De Tocqueville didn't say that the poor needed to be handed a lot of stock shares and big surburban house. They're supposed to seize their opportunities to make themselves middle class. The ones that fail to see that the US is as good as it gets in terms of social opportunities are losers. They cause the revolutions through their own apathy and complacency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585466) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:33 PM Author: Opaque hairy legs We have since fallen behind in class mobility, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585508) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 8:19 PM Author: Hilarious Spot In the recent Bush Administration, yes. Bush had to acknowledge that wealth inequality has increased when he went to Wall Street last week. This doesn't excuse my dumb neighbors for failing to seize whatever opportunities have presented themselves to make something of themselves. I've seized my opportunities, so I have more claims against Bush for my plight than they do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585775) |
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Date: February 12th, 2007 7:09 AM Author: excitant library immigrant You can't blame it on the bush administration. it was even worse during the later years of the Clinton administration. Should you blame him? It's stupid to blame your problems on the president. Whoever happens to be in office at the moment really has little to do with real structural problems in america. |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 8:54 PM Author: House-broken Point since i love to brag about the ass i'm gettin', most intellectuals will only half listen... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7586015) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 9:48 PM Author: Opaque hairy legs Please tell us about forced handjobs, friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7586460) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:36 PM Author: Plum haunted graveyard depressive Probably the same reasons that you constantly feel the need to call lesbians ugly and express your hatred--they dislike them. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585522) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 7:38 PM Author: chestnut galvanic wagecucks sanctuary Um, I don't hate lesbians and don't have any issues with gay people. I don't care how other people choose to live their lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585529) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 8:02 PM Author: talking trailer park mood the people who talk about poors are inevitably poor or came from poverty and are trying to distance themselves when in fact, once a poor, always a poor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7585672) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: glittery codepig background story . . . are people who wear nice ties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7586308) |
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Date: February 11th, 2007 9:47 PM Author: titillating bearded hissy fit because poors are usually not nice people. they usually act viscerally, are angry and jealous, and think that it's my fault that they're stupid and poor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578831&forum_id=2#7586457) |