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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:08 PM Author: Adventurous round eye heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8315719) |
Date: June 29th, 2007 12:29 PM Author: Adventurous round eye heaven bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8315795) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:37 PM Author: Galvanic nursing home im in the same boat... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8315823) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:57 PM Author: stirring kitty cat school You're in good shape as long as you keep doing problems. I had a 103 on the BarBri practice MBE and entertained thoughts of suicide. Improved to a 133 raw (scaled to 143) by test day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8315899) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 4:42 PM Author: khaki kitchen indirect expression Ive heard Barbri's questions are much harder.
On the add page they have the person had 72% of the questions correct and was in the 98th percentile. Is that correct? Looking for feedback from those who have taken the Bar Bri MBE practice exam... |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 4:44 PM Author: Primrose offensive windowlicker they said pretty clearly that the questions are equally hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316699) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:30 PM Author: Curious Zippy Tanning Salon 135 is 90th %ile, so i guess there's not such a wide range if a 144 is 98th %ile
also, i don't buy all their nonsense about it being harder than the mbe. go look at the threads posted after last year's mbe and you'll see that almost everyone thought the mbe was much much harder |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:33 PM Author: Pungent box office I got 102 right today. Not doing so well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316858) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:43 PM Author: Topaz Crusty University I don't think that's supposed to be a bad score at this stage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316892) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:46 PM Author: fishy center affirmative action whoa, when did you come back? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316897) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:53 PM Author: Topaz Crusty University I never stopped posting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316919) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:16 PM Author: Primrose offensive windowlicker i think that's your biggest problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317011) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:37 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot i liked the question (185 or 186) about what part of the deed should be changed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316869) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:44 PM Author: marvelous tan public bath I took the practice exam today, and graded it right after I took it. I got a 128. What does that mean? How much would I have to get to pass Mass. and NY?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316894) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:07 PM Author: Cocky useless brakes I'm in just about the same boat. I have a weird feeling. I thought I did better than that, but its not really a score i can complain about, especially at this stage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316966) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:06 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha Amazingly I got that right after I decided to go back and draw a box. What a retarded question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316956) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:07 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness PMBR had exactly the same question (except it had some additional stupidity with having to go from a landmark) in its 6 day course. It confused the hell out of me the first time I saw it, but yes, you are supposed to draw the box, and if you did it is a ridiculously easy question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316964) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:08 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot so did i. once you draw it out it was easy, but it had aboslutely nothing to do with property law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316967) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:09 PM Author: Domesticated lodge like a retarded SAT math question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316971) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:00 PM Author: carnelian trailer park i thought that question was easy. i didn't draw anything. i just looked at the directions and the numbers and figured out which one had to change based on the answer choices. there were 3 that said 45 south and and i knew one of those 3 should be 45 north to even it out, so just looked for the answer choice that changed a 45 south to a 45 north. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317365) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: useless carmine forum I felt like I was back in my land nav course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319743) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:41 PM Author: glittery crackhouse shitlib so it's definitely as difficult as the actual bar? are the average grades on every year's practice about the same? they told us it was like 108 last year, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316886) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:49 PM Author: Primrose offensive windowlicker lol. good luck on the february exam. hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316903) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: glittery crackhouse shitlib how is this responsive to my question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316911) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:54 PM Author: Topaz Crusty University Look up last year's MBE thread. Seems most people at the time thought the MBE was a lot harder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316922) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:30 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse it WAS harder, a LOT harder, but the curve saved the day.
I walked out thinking i would be lucky to hit 100+ and I got a 164. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:31 PM Author: Topaz Crusty University Felt the exact same way about the MPRE.
Hopefully the MBE will turn out the same. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:35 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse i actually took the MPRE last summer the week after the bar (boy, that was an awesome idea...) and i totally agree with you. that mpre last summer was REALLY difficult, and i thought i would end up having to take it again...but got a 120...curves are weird things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319500) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:50 PM Author: charcoal frozen stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316908) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:52 PM Author: marvelous tan public bath Congrats dude. That's an awesome score.
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:54 PM Author: Topaz Crusty University I'm jealous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316921) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:04 PM Author: hairraiser orchestra pit therapy "envious" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317942) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 5:59 PM Author: Domesticated lodge 131. Is that really okay? I can't get my head around how it's okay to miss that many questions... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316930) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:04 PM Author: Crawly Stage Toaster This is the first time in your life that you're shooting for a D. Think of it that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316941) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:05 PM Author: Domesticated lodge yeah, I think I remember someone else saying that. It's hard to accept. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316946) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:06 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness 130 for me. I was really pissed at myself after grading it, then I did the math and realized that I basically haven't studied beyond some PMBR questions and still would have passed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316955) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:07 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha How could you be pissed with that score? You would've have easily passed and the exam is 4 weeks away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316962) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:08 PM Author: Domesticated lodge I was pissed when I saw how much red was on the page, then added it up and realized that it was supposed to be a decent score. maybe he felt the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316968) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:23 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317042) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:09 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness I was pissed that I got 70 questions wrong out of 200. Once I realized that the score was a clear pass, I got over it and felt bad for the minority kids sitting at my table who were on question 150 with 20 minutes left when I decided to check out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316973) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:10 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha Hahaha... that's pretty funny. Anyone think the first half was a lot harder? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316977) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:11 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot yeah, i got 32 wrong on the first half. on the last fifty i got only 6 wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316978) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:12 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness That's insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316989) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:12 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness I actually did worse on the second half, though I finished it much faster.
I think it was easier if you had studied, there were just more rules I hadn't memorized yet. I got 4 out of the first 5 wrong. Blah. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:14 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha I think I rushed through the 1st half. I haven't been timing myself (too tedious) and I finished with about 25 minutes left. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317002) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:15 PM Author: Domesticated lodge much faster for me too, but the about the same number wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317005) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:17 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness There were certainly some questions I remember where I knew immediately I had no idea what the answer was, so I didn't waste much time on it. Still, i don't know how I managed leaving early - i never leave early with these things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317017) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:16 PM Author: Electric Umber Resort Pozpig funny cause I got the first 5 right and then the next 5 wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317012) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:18 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness I think i had trouble getting back into it after lunch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317028) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:03 PM Author: Ebony tattoo 142. And most of my errors are in contracts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316939) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:09 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot 145; after that essay debacle on wednesday it was a little reassuring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8316970) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:11 PM Author: Electric Umber Resort Pozpig I got a 106 and I ran out of time for the last 14 questions and didnt bubble them in.
The one question that pissed me off was the leaf blower conversion question. In his lecture the torts guy said you "get a new" car but their model answer said you get the market value of the leaf blower in the condition it was in prior to the conversion not the the cost of a totally new leaf blower.
I would say like 20% of my mistakes are the result of not reading the question properly. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:15 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha I haven't looked at the explained answers but that's bullshit. I remember thinking the same thing. "He gets the price of a new leaf blower." Did you have Schecter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317007) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 3:02 PM Author: useless carmine forum Schecter said you get "market value of the property", dipshit. Not market value of a new version of your shitty old property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319769) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 3:05 PM Author: Pink Nowag maybe what he said was confusing, but use common sense - you don't get more than what you already had; that's not compensation, it's punishment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319780) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 3:10 PM Author: useless carmine forum Is there an echo in here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319804) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 4:06 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha Why do you think I remember as part of his 4.5 hour lecture that you get the price of a new leaf blower? BECAUSE IT'S COUNTER-INTUITIVE ASSHOLE. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who remembers this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320049) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:58 PM Author: useless carmine forum Your point being that you're not the only moron who wasn't listening very carefully?
Congrats, at least you got that right. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:00 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha Hey Roger! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8327306) |
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Date: July 12th, 2007 8:47 PM Author: sienna boltzmann Subject: little help Today, I take your 2000 New Hotness SUV...Do I owe you the price of a 2007 SUV? Hell no... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8375455) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:18 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot i haven't checked my answers but i went with the same one based on what was told to us. oh well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317025) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:20 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness I'm not sure if I got that one right, but i remembered it being "you break it, you buy it" - meaning its as if the guy bought the old lawnmower (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317034) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:29 PM Author: contagious kink-friendly mexican coldplay fan BTW, this is not the first time that I've run into a contradiction (Barbri Lecture info vs. Barbri's Answer to Practice Question)
It's VERY frustrating. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 9:36 PM Author: Hideous knife Yes! I remember this shit exactly the same way and chose the same answer based on that. fucking bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317565) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:13 PM Author: Seedy business firm ok those of you getting like 120-130 need to just stop studying so much and stfu.
i got a 113 and i am on pace (i think). |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:15 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness I just need to study more for the NY part of the bar. I don't know shit about corps, ny practice, prof. responsibility, wills... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317008) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:18 PM Author: Seedy business firm you realize if you're already scoring 130ish and end up getting a really high mbe score on the real thing, you can probably smear the essays w/ poop and still pass, so please stop now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317026) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:19 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot in NY? i thought there was not automatice pass in ny. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317029) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:26 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness there was some rumor that they don't really look at your essays if you get over a certain MBE score but I'm not sure if that is true... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317051) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:31 PM Author: charcoal frozen stag film I heard this too (probably on here), but I know for sure that there is no automatic pass based on MBE, and I would be surprised to find out that the essay graders have access to your MBE scores. It seems that it would affect their grading unfairly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317067) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:05 PM Author: underhanded opaque sanctuary I think this is def'ly possible in CA, b/c if you pass you don't even get your scores back.
Plus, think about how you would grade all those books. Wouldn't make sense to take a first cut at it with the MBE scores? At least sort them into stacks of quartiles or something. If a guy got a 170-180 / 200, how hard are you going to look at his essays and PT? |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:32 PM Author: Seedy business firm no they use some balancing test or wahtever, but obviously the higher your mbe score, the fewer points you need for the ny day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317070) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:19 PM Author: Electric Umber Resort Pozpig wills scares the shit out of me. She went through the material so fast and I was just sitting there the whole time not getting anything. It was by far the worst day yet at barbri. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317030) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:21 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness the stuff is just sooooooooooooooo boring... NY practice has been the worst for me though... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317038) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:55 PM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol wills is ridiculous w/o having taken the class. i took the class and it's still not easy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318147) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:21 PM Author: contagious kink-friendly mexican coldplay fan 121 here.
I'm not sure where that puts me at this point. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:22 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness I think someone said you need a 123 raw to pass.
110 was the average in cali, so you are doing well |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:27 PM Author: fishy center affirmative action 123 raw of 190, or 200? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317052) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:28 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness no idea. I had forgotten about those 10 questions.
I think the barbri people were talking about their practice exam, but I don't know. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:27 PM Author: contagious kink-friendly mexican coldplay fan Thanks for the info; I guess I'll find out exactly where I stand next week when results are posted.
Not sure if this is Barbri's intent, but they sure are doing a good job in scaring people into studying. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 6:28 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness 121 isn't that bad. if you had gotten an 80, I think you'd have reason to be scared. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317060) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:10 PM Author: comical step-uncle's house I got a 128. Haven't really studied conlaw or evidence, probably missed most of those. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317181) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:22 PM Author: razzle-dazzle claret gaping 133 here. I'm self-study, so it's good to see I'm doing okay, although it seems an obscene number to be missing. Say you got 133 raw on the real thing, how much worse could you do on the essays? That's where I'm going to bite it... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317216) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:31 PM Author: Hideous knife 99. I guess I need to start studying. I have attended all the lectures but that's all. Haven't followed any of the study plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317250) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:33 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness http://cgi.ebay.com/PMBR-Workbooks-PLUS-Flashcards_W0QQitemZ260133674013QQihZ016QQcategoryZ2228QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317257) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:35 PM Author: Hideous knife good looking out. What is passing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317269) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:36 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness no one knows - its barbris big secret.
They say you want to be around 110 right now, and something like 123 is passing. So you are a little behind, but if you study you should be fine. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:37 PM Author: Hideous knife fack. ok. i will go shoot myself now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317281) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:39 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness I'm sure you know the NY stuff better than I do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317286) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:42 PM Author: Hideous knife Since I'm in Florida, I doubt that that is true. But thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317302) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 7:43 PM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness probably right, but you'd be surprised... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317303) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:01 PM Author: carnelian trailer park 97. lowest score here. i haven't studied much though. i just went to all the classes and did like 200 practice questions total so far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317368) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:23 PM Author: deranged location roommate 96! been to all the classes but haven't done a single question thus far. none of the pmbr either, and i skipped the entire six day program.
but, to be fair, i've been really sick after getting food poisoning on tuesday. i've only consumed about 2000 calories total since then, and haven't slept much. i almost passed out on the walk from the subway to javits. but, i finished both halves before the 15 minute warning, so i'll have time to actually work through the more difficult problems, which i didn't do today.
and i don't feel too bad since i got a 6 on the last essay, when the average was less than 4. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: Cocky useless brakes Unless you're looking at your notes or study material while doing the essay, that is great. Especially in MD, where you can wipe your ass with the MBE and still pass with ease if you do well on the essays. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317511) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:44 PM Author: sepia coiffed base rigor The problem is that a lot of people taking MD need to waive into DC. Thus, the MD Bar cert may as well be used as toilet paper w/out a 135 on the MBE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317846) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:58 PM Author: Cocky useless brakes That is certainly true, and maybe I'm a little biased b/c I'm more concerned with my essay performance.
Still, i'd rather pass the MD bar with an awful MBE score. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:05 PM Author: carnelian trailer park need 133 scaled to waive into dc. does anyone know about how many questions one has to get right to reach 133 scaled? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317944) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:08 AM Author: sepia coiffed base rigor Is it 133? Good to know. For some reason, I had thought it was 135.
The answer to your question is that it varies from 10-20 points year-to-year. If the necessary score is indeed 133, then you are guaranteed to pass with a 123 (raw) to waive into DC. As far as I can tell, this means 123/200 (I think the ten-point bump is to account for the 10 experimental questions). But the scale varies from a 10-20 point bump depending on the year. This is what I understand from BarBri and friends of mine who have taken the exam, however, I could be wrong... |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 9:17 PM Author: black concupiscible parlour 112. Unfortunately, after looking over the areas in which I got questions wrong, I realized that I pretty much missed the same amount in each of the six MBE subject matters. (Counting Crim Law and Pro together)
That's not encouraging. :-(
It would have been nice if, say, 30 of them were in one subject matter, so that I could know where I needed to spend more time... instead, I just need to spend more time... everywhere. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:51 PM Author: Domesticated lodge mine are pretty evenly spaced too, which is not at all what I was expecting. Slightly worse in torts, but all the rest were about equal. (and I thought I was so clean on evidence...) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318120) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 9:53 PM Author: Fighting lettuce Subject: 141 95th percentile.
Is there any chance I don't pass the CA bar? If anyone has some insight they'd like to share, I'd appreciate it.
I've done all the Barbri paced program stuff, and plan to continue to do so. I'm also taking PMBR in a few weeks. I'm hoping 141 is my lowest score since I didn't review any of the MBE subjects before the test. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 12:16 AM Author: Fighting lettuce Subject: Any thoughts? Bueller? Bueller? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8325089) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:37 PM Author: contagious kink-friendly mexican coldplay fan Do you guys look at the call of the question first, or do you dive straight into the fact pattern?
Another thing, are you skimming the fact pattern, looking for the main points, OR are you reading the fact patterns very closely?
Neither Barbri nor PMBR has gone into much detail as to MBE test taking tactics. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:40 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot i find a lot of the fact patterns have needless fluff in them. in fact, i think the only difference b/w the advance drills and intermediate drills in barbri is that the advanced ones just have lot of extraneous facts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317820) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:05 PM Author: racy jap principal's office For those of you who scored 120+, advice? How do you prepare? How much did you study? I got a 108, feeling insecure here and worried. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317947) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:12 PM Author: carnelian trailer park i second these questions. specifically, did you read the answers to all the practice questions you did, even the ones you got right? and which pmbr book do you recommend starting with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317974) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:20 PM Author: Cocky useless brakes 125+
I haven't touched PMBR since the 6-day but I have done all the BarBri Qs assigned in the pace program. I only look at explanations for the Qs I get wrong. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:24 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot tomorrow, i am going to review today's exam starting with question 1. for each q i got right i will skim the question and try to remember the reason why i chose the answer, i then will then skim the answer to make sure my reasoning is right. if my reasoning is wrong, i read it more closely. for my incorrect answers, i will do the question again and see if my second best choice is correct. if i am still wrong, i read the answer closely to make sure i understand why i was wrong. if my second guess is right, i just skim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318018) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:28 PM Author: carnelian trailer park thanks for the advice...are you planning to go to the organized review session? for the MD course here in DC they have 8 hours of review tomorrow and sunday to go over the practice MBE. i'm wondering if my time would be better spent going over the answers on my own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318038) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:34 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot nah, i can bust my process out in 3 or 4 hours, as opposed to 12 hours through barbri. a lot of my friends that already attended said it was a complete waste of time. at best, i would get 2 or 3 points of useful.
i think it depends about how you feel- if you think you knew the rule and got it wrong, you might want to go. but if you did poorly just because you could not remember the rule, your time is better spent studying on your own. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:50 PM Author: carnelian trailer park i did poorly because i haven't studied and done much of anything outside of going to class. i did about 150-200 practice questions on studysmart.
i guess i'll stay home and study on my own... |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:54 PM Author: Domesticated lodge I've been reading every answer, highlighting the rule-type info (leaving out the fact-specific info). Making flashcards of the ones that are particularly complicated or troublesome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318142) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:06 PM Author: carnelian trailer park so you tend to skim the fact patterns?
this doesn't work for contracts questions though, you have to read those carefully... |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:15 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot i tend to skim them. i have learned to read every answer really closely, especially in Ks. a lot of the time i will not remember an issue until i read answer c or d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8317983) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:20 PM Author: racy jap principal's office so do you recommend reading answers more carefully while skimming the facts/questions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318003) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:26 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318030) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:36 PM Author: racy jap principal's office Some of the answers barbri provides make no sense. For instance, #11, Barbri says answer is (a), not (b). If you read the explanation, it basically states that (b) is wrong because it isn't the ONLY requirement in a negligence action, i.e., there's also duty, breach, foreseeability. However, the same could be said of (a). Why is (a) a better answer? Anyone? I can't seem to make sense of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318065) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:09 AM Author: clear chad In Negligence questions, the order of importance is duty, breach, causation, etc. If there is no duty, you don't have to get to the causation issue. This is at least what PMBR said in the 6 day review. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318218) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:44 AM Author: racy jap principal's office Okay, but the both answer (a) and (b) are dealing with causation (but for in (b) and foreseeability in (a)). I also did PMBR 6-day. Maybe I should review my notes from that week? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318373) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 11:09 AM Author: deranged location roommate this is one of the things that really threw me for not reading *all* the answers carefully. a lot of times, there's an answer that's correct but too broad, and one that's correct but more narrow. you always want the narrow one. here, reasonably foreseeable is more narrow than but for... does that make sense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319259) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:29 PM Author: racy jap principal's office Yeah, I see your point. Thanks. I guess the lesson is we should learn the tactics and tricks of this exam just as well as the substantive law. I hate how they have different committees and so different writers for each subject matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320579) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 11:10 AM Author: clear chad I think in (a) they are talking about foreseeable plaintiffs, which goes towards duty. Sometimes it seems there's no difference between foreseeable plaintiffs and foreseeability for causation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319260) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:33 PM Author: citrine private investor Barbri does this over and over again in their practice questions. Moreover, I've seen a question where, even according to the answer, BOTH answer choices c and d must be true, yet the answer says c is right and d is wrong because d is necessary but not sufficient.
Just this morning I did a practice problem highly analogous to yours. See Intermediate Torts Question 5. It's true that landowners owe no duty at all to unknown trespassers, but it's just as true that landowners are not liable to any trespasser for conditions they are unaware of. Because the question does not make clear that the mining company was unaware of trespassers, but the question does make explicit that "[defendant] was unaware [of the dangerous condition]," it's at least debatable that (D) is a better answer than (A).
Anyway, take the Barbri questions with a grain of salt. IMO they are not written particularly well and tend to have ambiguities or even mistakes. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:31 PM Author: racy jap principal's office Yeah. Also, are you doing PMBR questions? I was thinking maybe I should do PMBR exclusively. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320590) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:45 PM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol any chance that in response to last year's complaints barbri made this test harder?
it would make sense for them to do so. put all the hard questions on the simulation, cause thousands of people to panic and study their asses off, do well on the easier mbe, and barbri gets to hang notices in every law school that over 90% of the people taking barbri passed. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:51 PM Author: carnelian trailer park how'd you do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318121) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:53 PM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol 137 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318133) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:56 PM Author: Rebellious bateful stead ceo 119
better than I thought |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:01 AM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol is anyone actually going to the review session? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318172) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:03 AM Author: comical step-uncle's house I fucked up 2 subject areas, I think I'll go for those and not the rest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318184) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:06 AM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol you cross-referenced the ones you got wrong to see the subject matter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318197) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:07 AM Author: comical step-uncle's house yes. I just used the list of answers/subject matter, but it's still a bit ocd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318202) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:08 AM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol i should've done that. maybe i should do it now?
i feel like i need some help in all the subjects, but going over them one by one is something i should do myself. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:10 AM Author: comical step-uncle's house it only took about 5 minutes. doing it will help you prioritize, unless your errors are evenly split between areas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318222) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:23 AM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol mine are pretty evenly split. but i think i'll go to real property and contracts. maybe i can gain some insight there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318285) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:48 AM Author: racy jap principal's office you got a 137 - which seems pretty good. If I were you, I'd probably just review myself unless there is something really trippin you up. Just keep doing what you've been doing - it's obviously working. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318388) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:50 AM Author: Nofapping Motley Dilemma Associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318398) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:48 AM Author: At-the-ready Faggot Firefighter Twinkling Uncleanness Well done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8318773) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:08 PM Author: Nofapping Motley Dilemma Associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319610) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:45 AM Author: Bronze idea he suggested rigpig 129, 84th percentile.
I had written my answers down by had and scored it myself after we took it, I thought I got a 131. Either I bubbled sloppily or I copied my answers wrong.
I just finished one subject the night before, and I didn't have time to review. I did a lot worse on the second half --- a lot of stuff I just didn't know, plus I was exhausted.
I'm going to go through all my answers this weekend, review outlines properly on my specific problem areas, then try to do my own little timed exam on Sunday. I need to get this shit out of the way and focus on essays. Haven't taken wills, it's going to kick my butt.
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Date: June 30th, 2007 11:07 AM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha How'd you get the official results already?
Edit: Oh, there are different administration date. I thought it was all the same day. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:06 PM Author: Floppy bawdyhouse I did far better on the second half. Weren't like 75% of the questions Crim? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319337) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 10:39 PM Author: Bronze idea he suggested rigpig Yeah, I just figured that out. And I suck at CrimPro. That explains a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8321423) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 11:12 AM Author: Floppy bawdyhouse 120. Comletely pooped the bed. On the bright side, I haven't studied property at all yet, so I assume I won't get every single property question wrong on the real thing, like I did yesterday. I only missed one Torts question, and only a handful of the Crim questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319263) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 11:23 AM Author: supple boistinker theater stage 123 here - 75th percentile.
Did not study for it at all. Taking CA bar. Following paced program as closely as I can except I stopped doing the advanced questions long ago. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 11:55 AM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha Anyone know why #28 isn't governed by the UCC? Seller is selling a car to buyer. Car seems like a good to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319323) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:04 PM Author: deranged location roommate seller is offering to sell the car if buyer can come up with the money. that's not the same as seller is selling car to buyer. it's a promise for performance, not a promise for promise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319333) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:11 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha So the UCC doesn't govern unilateral contracts for goods? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319345) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:13 PM Author: Beady-eyed codepig there was no contract, just the unilateral offer which wasn't accepted by performance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319346) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:17 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha Okay... you guys seem to know what you're talking about. How about #35... why is Agrigiant still liable on the contract? I've checked CMR, MS, and my notes and everything I'm reading tells me WBC only have rights against Pucker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319353) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:23 PM Author: deranged location roommate edit - answered wrong question first.
also, it's FOB st. louis rr depot, which means seller is liable until it gets to st. louis, if that's what's throwing you. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:29 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha Yeah, I understood the risk of loss part but not the assignment part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319372) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:24 PM Author: Beady-eyed codepig because delegators of duties remain liable unless there's novation (otherwise anyone could delegate their duties to some one who's bankrupt and judgment-proof and be in the clear) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:28 PM Author: Beady-eyed codepig weird thing with the question is that is says assign, but when your read that the assignee was performing in place of the assignor, it means there was both assignment and delegation. not sure if there's some rule about that or it was just supposed to be understood from the fact that Pucker was performing in place of WBC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319370) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 12:32 PM Author: narrow-minded onyx alpha I see... the barbri notes are really unclear on this point. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319373) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse FWIW i got 94 on barbri, 107 on PMBR, and a 164 on the real thing.
your knowledge of the law should be exponentially better on test day - youre still a month away. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:36 PM Author: khaki kitchen indirect expression Please elaborate.
Prior to the real thing, did you really exponentially increase your knowledge of the testing material or was the real thing just easier to obtain a higher score on? Ie the scaling is much different, not as many difficult questions..??
Also, should I waste my time attending the PMBR lectures? I plan on just doing the practice exam.
Note: I got a 130 on the Barbri Simulated.
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse exponentially is definitely one way to put it. when i took the practice tests, i had not memorized anything. when i took the MBE, i had memorized everything.
from the reactions to last year's MBE, I would say that the scaling on the MBE is MUCH different. everyone seemed to think the MBE last year was exponentially more difficult than the practice questions, and i agree 100%. the test was NASTY. i felt extremely under confident and i almost shit a brick when i got my score, i seriously couldnt believe it.
for PMBR, i sat through the first morning of the lecture and then was done. i took the late class so i figured my time would be better spent studying at that point. i dont learn from lectures at all, though, so thats up to you.
if you got a 130, you are in good shape for sure. my buddy got a 135 on the barbri practice and scored high 170s on the MBE. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:45 PM Author: Hideous knife is it worth doing the 3 day pmbr just for the practice exam? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319535) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse it was definitely worth it for me to get the questions to practice, even if it probably wasnt the difference between failing and passing.
i found PMBRs questions superior to Barbri's. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:04 PM Author: carnelian trailer park how did you memorize the materials in the last month? reading through the CMR? outlining all the subjects? both? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319591) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 4:51 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse i got my multi state outlines (with NY disctintions of course) down to about 10 pages each and then i straight up memorized them. line for line. i was an actor previously, i treated it like a script.
i did the same thing with less familiar ny subjects like trusts/wills and family law crap.
then i just studied the other subjects to a general familiarity.
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:01 PM Author: Crawly Stage Toaster Any memorization tips for those of us who aren't actors? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320455) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:17 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse For me it is a combination of visualizing the page, and hearing it recited. to memorize it initially, hearing it recited ingrains it in my memory for the short term. visualizing the page allows me to remember it in the long term.
fwiw i started memorizing multistate during the last week of barbri i think.
first, i slim my outlines and statements of law down to the absolute minimum number of words. i undoubtedly spent the most time doing this because it will make memorizing go quickly.
then, i get myself in a room where i won't disturb anyone by speaking out loud. i read the same line over and over to myself at first, then out loud until i can say it dependably without looking. then i memorize the next line, then the next. once i am done with a section of my outline, i make sure i can recite it. then move on. (i also pace around in circles A LOT while i do this...i am sure i look like a fucking moron).
i do the same thing until i have a page that i can recite. then i do the next page, and then recite both. then the third page, then the second and third page, then the first second and third page, and so on.
once i get to the end of that outline i move on to the next in exactly the same way. i start the first page of the next, and then make sure i know it with the last two pages of the previous, etc etc.
it took me about 4/5 days to memorize the multistate law, and then every day after that i would devote a few hours to reciting it, in between learning NY law. at one point or another i recited each multistate outline to my girlfriend, god bless her.
this is the way it worked for me to study. other people thought i was crazy and they spent their time doing questions and just studying. the way i saw it was that if i have the shit memorized, I KNOW i will do well on the essays because i will know the rules and be able to state them instantly, and the MBE would just be super easy. Stating the rule precisely on the essays was the primary reason i chose to memorize like this. EDIT: and when i finally got around to doing practice essays and i absolutely NAILED them, i knew i had done the right thing for me.
i knew i was not going to take this fucking test more than one time, and i knew that if i sucked it up and memorized i wouldnt have to.
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:57 PM Author: carnelian trailer park nice strategy. how detailed were the outlines you memorized? can you give us a cut and paste sample? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320692) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:12 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse (from crim pro)
5th am.
Confessions: Under 5th, confession admissible IF: prior to custodial interrogation, person in custody read miranda rights AND waived knowingly, voluntarily, and intelligently before statement. --Custody: objectively not free to leave. NOT: Probation interview/routine traffic stop. --Interrogation: any conduct cops knew/should might elicit incriminating statement. --NY: spontaneous statement w/o any inducement admissible even in absence of counsel.
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:34 PM Author: carnelian trailer park cool thanks...good to know how detailed these should be. i am working on my torts one now and going way overboard with the details (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320837) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:02 PM Author: navy church That is insane. Congrats for the ability to do it though. My memory is pretty damn good and I think I could do that, but I could never never never never never get the motivation to do that. I would rather make July a trial run and do it again in February.
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:35 PM Author: carnelian trailer park how'd you do on the barbri mbe?
i got a 97 if that's any consolation, and i'm definitely planning to have this stuff memorized by exam day. i have a pretty good memory too.
don't plan to take it again...plan to get it over and done with!
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Date: July 1st, 2007 12:00 AM Author: razzmatazz orchid garrison You are my identical twin. Doing the same thing. Reviewing my outlines like I'm giving a lecture, visually memorizing them at the same time. My problem however is that I'm below average in readings speed and type at about 35-40 WPM. My essay answers usually don't break 1000 words. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8321628) |
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Date: July 1st, 2007 12:01 PM Author: Crawly Stage Toaster That's very interesting. Thanks.
I usually have a mediocre to bad memory, but I've never tried something this methodical. Maybe I'll give it a try and see how it works.
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Date: June 30th, 2007 4:07 PM Author: khaki kitchen indirect expression Thanks that really helps.
I did hear that ever since the lawsuit by the Multi-State Bar people against PMBR for copying questions (last year), they changed the format of questions and now it's much harder.... |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: Topaz Crusty University Good to know. Very surprised to see people on here upset with raw scores in the 120s/130s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319513) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:46 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse are you really that suprised?
in my opinion, freaking out about a test that is a month away is wasted energy. by that point you will probably forget and relearn everything anyways.
i also think it is retarded to spend an enormous amount of time doing practice questions before you know the law, otherwise you are really just spinning your wheels.
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:48 PM Author: Hideous knife Really? I heard that a lot of people learn by doing the practice questions and then reviewing the answers. Personally, I will have a really hard time going through those fucking outlines again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319548) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:53 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse i dont mean the in class outilnes, i mean my 10 page condensed ones.
a lot of people learn that way. i personally do not. it does me no good to do hundreds of questions closed-book if i do not know the law yet. all that does for me is freak me the fuck out at how much i dont know.
that's just me. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:56 PM Author: Hideous knife yeah, good point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319563) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:48 PM Author: Domesticated lodge it's been helping me, but I do them in two very distinct ways:
1) for learning: I do one question at a time, make by best guess, immediately look at the answer, read the explanation, highlight, make a flashcard if necessary. Rinse and repeat.
2) for testing: doing chunks of questions and 'grading' them.
the first one is pretty useful, at least for me. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:45 PM Author: carnelian trailer park that's reassuring, thanks.
i got a 97, but i don't feel too bad about it because i haven't done much yet. i'm getting cracking now. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:48 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse yeah exactly, i hadnt done much studying at all as of the practice Barbri test. by the time i sat for the real MBE i could recite my multi-state outlines from memory.
it is a month away, worry about nothing but studying. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: carnelian trailer park thanks for the advice.
should i bother reading the long multistate outlines? i'm reading through the CMR outlines and i'm going to make my own condensed outlines of all the barbri lecture notes. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: Beady-eyed codepig So if i got a 141 on Bar/Bri should i just take the month off? It's weird cause while I know that that's a really good score, it still feels like i screwed up (got 59 wrong) and need to do a lot of studying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319543) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:50 PM Author: flesh sex offender meetinghouse yes, take the month off.
stop studying.
go on vacation.
hell, why bother showing up to the javits center?
i mean, fuck, you got a 141 on the practice...maybe just mail the bar examiners a copy of you barbri scantron sheet? |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:44 PM Author: racy jap principal's office LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320644) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 1:57 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot so, when they say "you generally need a 127 to pass in NY" is the 127 raw or scaled? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319567) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:06 PM Author: carnelian trailer park scaled i think.
i'm just saying this because when they say you need 133 to waive into dc, that's the scaled score |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:13 PM Author: Pink Nowag they say average passing candidate gets 120-125 raw out of 190.
if you hit that now, you're golden. again, that's average, not minimum. just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be more than okay. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:28 PM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol I got a question about #56:
The explanation seems to imply that the mortgage to Arco was purchase money. Is that correct? Isn't a purchase money mortgage one that is given to the seller of the property in return for that property and the promise to pay? |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:30 PM Author: Pink Nowag pmm = loan given to a home buyer to enable the purchase. i.e., what you normally think of when you hear the word mortgage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319653) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:37 PM Author: Rusted Pit Pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319664) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:49 PM Author: Pink Nowag yes, it's a specific type of mortgage - i.e., one that the buyer uses to buy the house. (that's why it's called "purchase money.") you can give a mortgage on real property you already own - that's not a pmm.
see p. 92 of the handout "The pmm: a mortgage given to secure a loan that enables the debtor to acquire the encumbered land." |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: Pink Nowag also, looking at the handout, the only time it will be an issue is whre you have an "after-acquired collateral clause."
ex: C1 loans $$ to D secured on "all property whether now owned or hereafter acquired." then, C2 loans $$ to D so D can buy Blackacre. C2 has 1st priority on Blackacre, even though C1's interest was first-in-time. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 3:02 PM Author: Overrated Liquid Oxygen Subject: The curves... Here's a reasonable conversion from BarBri raw scores to the Cal Bar. For a scaled MBE, just divide the Cal bar by 10.
57 1,196 62 1,249 66 1,281 71 1,307 76 1,329 80 1,352 85 1,368 89 1,383 94 1,401 99 1,423 103 1,449 108 1,476 113 1,498 117 1,519 122 1,543 127 1,569 131 1,598 136 1,633 141 1,676
Good luck to all. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 3:14 PM Author: carnelian trailer park that can't be right. my 97 raw on barbri is NOT a 141/142 scaled on the MBE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8319823) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 4:17 PM Author: navy church What is this supposed to be? You only need 1440 total. Are you saying multiply by 35% (that is too low as well). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320088) |
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Date: July 1st, 2007 12:03 AM Author: razzmatazz orchid garrison so a 103 raw = just passing??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8321635) |
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Date: July 1st, 2007 10:21 PM Author: Overrated Liquid Oxygen Yes a BarBri 103 is just passing.
It's always interesting to see how intelligent people react to hard statistical data. Here's the simple explanation for my conversion:
1. The real MBE and the BarBri simulation are both normalized tests. That is, their results are based on the competitive performance of all applicants in the test population. 2. The California Bar releases a percentile table for the bar exam. 3. Thus, if both tests are normalized, then for any given year, all you need do is match up the BarBri percentiles to the Bar's published percentile, and the coversion will put you in the same percentile on one normalized test, with respect to the other test applicants, as you are in the other normalized test.
Obviously, if you study harder and learn more than your competition between now and the real MBE, your score should rise relative to those with whom you're competiing.
But, if you were to take the MBE on the same day that you took the BarBri simulation, your score would approximate the numbers in my conversion table.
Note: the percentile table was extracted from the July 2005 exam, which was more typical than the July 2006 exam, which had an unusally high mean average. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:27 PM Author: Know-it-all charismatic weed whacker area Has anyone else taken the 3 day PMBR course and test yet? I took the test and got a 113 and was feeling okay about it (4 weeks till the exam and whatnot) but now I'm starting to freak out, reading that people are doing at least a hundred questions a night to prepare. Thoughts? Other scores? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320564) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 12:15 AM Author: Fighting lettuce No one is doing 100 questions per night. I'm definitely working hard and staying on the Paced Program, and there simply aren't enough hours in the day to do 100 PMBR questions as well (let alone the 50 questions they recommend). My friends are also working hard, and they haven't cracked the PMBR books yet either.
So don't worry about it, in my opinion. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 12:20 AM Author: charcoal frozen stag film I think that it is better to actually learn the material than just blindly guess on practice MBE questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8325125) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:31 PM Author: Razzle clown senate Subject: from feb 2007 I got a 139 raw on the Barbri MBE and a 152 scaled on the actual MBE. Which means I did worse on the actual MBE, but not by a huge amount. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320589) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:35 PM Author: racy jap principal's office Would you recommend doing PMBR Qs over Barbri's? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320605) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:46 PM Author: Know-it-all charismatic weed whacker area Also, does anyone else think that the Advanced Questions for BarBri are super hard? Like 20% correct hard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320650) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 6:57 PM Author: navy church Like 50% hard maybe. 20% is lower than if you picked "A" for every one of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320694) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:03 PM Author: Know-it-all charismatic weed whacker area Yeah I don't understand how I'm so terrible at them ... I do better at both PMBR books, but the Advanced BarBri questions KILL me and I don't know why ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320712) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:08 PM Author: navy church Honestly, stop doing them. Your overall gain probably isn't worth it. Do some of the released questions, that will make you feel so much better. They are a joke in comparison.
At the very least dial back to the intermediate until you get the percentage up.
Also, you might be doing them when you are burned out and don't care. Try a quick set in the morning sometime, I bet your score goes up. |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:07 PM Author: Mischievous Mentally Impaired Abode Sneaky Criminal I took it today and got a 144. Was very surprised. I've been doing the self-study pretty regularly (but not really doing much PMBR), and am glad it appears to be paying off. My NY stuff blows though, and I'm going to need about a 175 to make up for my complete buffoonery on the essays. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320727) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 8:24 PM Author: stimulating stage idiot i'm in the same boat. i feel very confident about the MBE, but the essays have me scared to death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8321029) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:24 PM Author: Electric Umber Resort Pozpig the old toothless bear question was great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320798) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:37 PM Author: carnelian trailer park yeah. poor harold. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320851) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 7:30 PM Author: useless carmine forum Death to the grain plutocrats and their government allies! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8320821) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 1:18 AM Author: medicated mental disorder temple 140. Missouri. Haven't done much studying yet so I suppose that is good. But I'm going to get killed on the essay if I don't start memorizing shit soon. Need some motivation... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8325480) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:19 PM Author: garnet corner You are such a dirty, butt-fucking gunner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8327386) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 1:36 AM Author: red native fortuitous meteor Subject: 148 raw I got a 148 raw, and I only have one word for you - Adaptibar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8325579) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 11:04 AM Author: Lascivious market trust fund Subject: BarBri MBE v. Real Bar Score If you are doing CONSISTENTLY above 60-75% on all your MBE practice questions (ie 40/50; 69/100; 18/25) then you should be in decent shape for the bar. The BarBri MBE average passing score is anywhere between 100-105 - so if you scored above that, you should have no trouble. Here is a sampling of what I remember my friends' scores were on the BarBri v. real MBE
BarBri MBE =/= Real MBE (NY where essays are 60%) 78 raw =/= 103 scaled (failed) 84 raw =/= 119 scaled (failed) 86 raw =/= 121 scaled (pass) 88 =/= = 114 scaled (failed) 92 =/= 131 scaled (passed) 96 =/= 130 scaled (passed) 98 =/= 114 scaled (failed) 101 =/= 136 scaled (passed) 112 =/= 133 scaled (passed) 114 =/= 144 scaled (passed) 117 =/= 139 scaled (passed) 121 =/= 155 scaled (passed)
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:05 PM Author: Adventurous round eye heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8327331) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:10 PM Author: Henna laughsome whorehouse 102 here. 103 with that extra credit he gave us. anyone know when we can download the official scroe report from barbri ?? or get our essays back ??
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:18 PM Author: Vigorous bearded den personal credit line 123 here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8327385) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:19 PM Author: Adventurous round eye heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8327389) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:47 PM Author: cyan trip rehab 179 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8327515) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:21 PM Author: Floppy bawdyhouse Wow. Why would you have all that information at your disposal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=650996&forum_id=2#8327396) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:39 PM Author: Violent cream cruise ship I got a 96.
So according to this thread that is enough to pass. I have a hard time believing this, I didn't feel like I knew any of the rules.
confirm? |