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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:00 AM Author: khaki milk
> A avg. Taking q's that won't out me, to the best of my ability.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342465) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:07 AM Author: khaki milk
I also have a biglaw job in hand. But yes. Looking at the debt I'm going to graduate with, I might have been better off taking a free ride somewhere like Michigan or something. If I knew I was going to be good at law school exams, I might have.
EDIT: In hand is an exaggeration in my case. I will have an offer to return 2L. That's different, I suppose.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342490) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:16 AM Author: Charismatic Domesticated Laser Beams
Keep looking on the bright side, maybe you will get a degree that is all in latin and look really cool for the rest of your career.
Seriously, though, don't underestimate the ability to walk into biglaw. People agonize over that shit, and basically would give anything to get a biglaw job.
If you are an A average at a top school, though, why not go for the SCOTUS clerk? the 200k bonus more than makes up for the shit salary. You may have to postpone models+bottles for a couple years.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342525) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:22 AM Author: Charismatic Domesticated Laser Beams
Sounds like a lot of stress. I'd rather just take the money and run.
Which justice would you most like to clerk for? Scalia?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342556) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:34 AM Author: khaki milk
There is something serious to respond to in here... I'll take your comment to mean, "But then you'd have to deal with a Justice who struggles with every single decision, and that will be both frustrating and tiring."
To that, I'd say it's a good point. On the other hand, that Justice Kennedy struggles with each decision and takes his job very seriously is admirable, and I think struggling is the best way to arrive at a reasoned solution.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342622) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:52 AM Author: khaki milk
I like "dandelion soup gang" very much. "Shoot 'em up gang" is slightly less artful, but I suppose then that's the point.
Scalia and Ginsburg do enjoy going to the opera together, so there may be some dandelions in Mr. Shoot 'em up's soup.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342745) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 12:20 AM Author: multi-colored shaky french chef
not an officially approved thread due to egregiously obvious CCN trolling, and general idiocy of not specifying with fewer than six schools
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342539) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:23 AM Author: khaki milk
Here's the problem, friend: suppose you have a > A average at one of those schools and want to avoid outing. Y doesn't even have "A," let alone "A+." I'm willing to bet that some of the others don't have A+. You can narrow it down that way. But I don't want to further specify if doing so would narrow it down to one school. This is especially true when people at the very top are more easily identifiable.
So I appreciate your concern, and I apologize for not starting an approved thread. Should I petition Rach for his approval, or can I just appeal to you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342564) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 12:24 AM Author: yellow haunted graveyard sound barrier
Why are you good at law school exams?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342567)
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:32 AM Author: khaki milk
I spend a lot of time thinking about what my professor is going to want to see on the exam, and how he/she would like to see it presented. The best way to do this is to study carefully every A exam answer for a prof you can get your hands on, obviously.
I also look at the questions themselves (over time, if multiple exams are available) to limit my studying to a very small subset of the information covered in the year. I determine what are the subjects I am very likely (and somewhat likely) to be tested on. I study the "very likely" ones so that I *understand* them really well, such that I can apply them, though I don't focus much on cases. I do use supplements.
So, for example, if a Torts prof spent weeks on intentional torts but all his past exams are almost entirely negligence, I practice negligence analysis like hell and pretty much ignore the intentional stuff.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342607) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:48 AM Author: khaki milk
I start with the syllabus, as I think most people probably do. I sometimes skim the cases (sometimes google/wikipedia or something), spending no more than 3 minutes per case. Then I'll look at (but not take) a few practice exams to get a sense for what's tested. Then I'll start making a <10 page first cut outline, which is mostly checklist style, but more detailed on the areas that are more likely to be tested. This is where I use the supplements. Any area I don't understand, I turn to the supplement, read the relevant section, and then go back to the skimming cases for a bit.
After I get through a <10 pager, I like to make a 2-4 page outline/checklist. Then I practice exams. I actually write full answers (this is the bulk of my time studying) to every exam I practice. I do as many as are available, but I'd probably do no more than 10 if more than 10 were available. If I'm really doing well after 3 or 4, I stop. There's no point in killing yourself if you've already got it. Then maybe I'll skim the supplements.
I'm not a fan of E&E by the way.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342715) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:55 AM Author: khaki milk
I understand that. If there are cases that are repeated (by the prof) over and over, I do know those cold. That's one of the things I get from my notes. I write: prof mentioned Palsgraf again, learn that one.
The weird thing about casebooks is that you have excerpts of cases that are there for all sorts of reasons. Some are ONLY there to show that a minority view exists that goes the other way. Others are ONLY there to make a procedural point of no value on the exam. The first of these can be ignored if you pick up a good supplement that tells you whether the rules are universal and, if not, what the minority rules are. The second of these can be ignored completely.
It's hard to know these things in advance, but that's something to look out for in class too, I suppose.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342775) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:59 AM Author: sable internet-worthy spot
i think this was meant for me.
type everything prof says. retype into gargantuan outline. revise and retype again and again and again and again until i have a single 3x5 card with only one word on it surounded by a golden halo. then i roll in for my A.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342803) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:59 AM Author: Demanding wrinkle
Sorry to keep on this subject, but I think it's pretty important. If they don't tell you what they want, do/would you simply ask them?
Also, do you use study groups?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342802) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:02 AM Author: khaki milk
That's a hard call. Today, I think no. I've done it enough that I can get a decent sense just by looking at lots of questions, even without answers. But back in the fall...I don't know. I'm probably too awkward to feel comfortable asking. It would depend on the prof. It could only help, I suppose.
EDIT: Sorry, ignored the study group question. Yes, only to go over past exams the week or two before the exam. This also helps me to know I've got it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342827) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:36 AM Author: yellow haunted graveyard sound barrier
HYPO:
I'm a strong analytical thinker but not an effortless writer. How fucked am I?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342628)
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:42 AM Author: khaki milk
Better off than the other way around, probably, but that depends on the types of exams you run into. If you have in class exams, you are in rough shape without a bit of practice.
My advice to you is twofold. First, consider prewriting pieces of in class exams (if possible at your school) with any profs with mildly predictable exams. I don't do it much, but I have heard it's effective. Second, look over A answers for the structure of a good answer. Don't just read them, but analyze what they are doing. There's probably a book out there that does this well (Getting to Maybe? I didn't read it). It's not just IRAC, for sure, but that's something.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342674) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 12:38 AM Author: supple fighting parlour
LSAT? How do you like morningside heights?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342646) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:45 AM Author: supple fighting parlour
ty.
and drat, i knew i wouldn't be able to outsmart someone of your caliber with such a hamhanded approach.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342693) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:57 AM Author: supple fighting parlour
Good call.
How was your fourth of july? Hope you enjoyed it. Did your friends who stayed at school for the summer enjoy 84 degree beautiful sun, or 78 degree rainy weather?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342783) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 12:48 AM Author: Motley Nursing Home
> A avg = 4.0+?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342710) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 12:52 AM Author: Orchid generalized bond
This fucking retard is surely not from CLS.
"The best way to do this is to study carefully every A exam answer for a prof you can get your hands on, obviously."
For VERY FEW, if any, of the courses can you get your hands on past A exams.
Besides, I know all the people from CLS 1L with >4.0 average (less than a handful), and none of them is as fucking douchy as this faggot here. You can deny it all you want, faggot.
Funny how someone so "BRILLIANT" would just so blatantly out himself.
This is obviously some unsubtle shitcago trolling. Good luck sucking dicks just to get into V5 while the rest of us can get in with a 3.7. Fucking fag. SHITCAGOPWNED
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342754) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 8:23 AM Author: Pearly irate corner goyim
according to the website, someone with a 3.8 would be a Kent Scholar, which is top 2% of the class, which is about 9 people.
I highly, highly doubt there is ANYONE with greater than 4.0
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8343667) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 1:18 AM Author: khaki milk
night y'all.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8342939) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 9:44 AM Author: khaki milk
Back for a bit, maybe.
EDIT: No interest, so maybe not. I'll be back later perhaps.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8343754) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 10:23 AM Author: Burgundy racy community account resort
Thoughts on wgwag? What could the government do to increase wgwag? Subsidies? Criminalize non-wgwag couples?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8343881) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 10:33 AM Author: khaki milk
I suspect that the government might run into constitutional issues regardless of the program, though I couldn't say for sure. I suspect tax breaks might be particularly effective.
That said, while I recognize that you have a strong interest in uniting WG with AG, I wonder why the government would share your concern. In particular, because this would most likely require legislative change, I wonder what would compel a congressman to spend valuable political capital when only fringe groups with very little money are interested in increasing WGWAG.
This is exactly the thing you can write to your congressman about, and his staffers will send you a sincere letter in which the congressman pledges his commitment to make this a better country, hopefully by pushing for WGWAG legislation. That's about as far as I see things going though. Perhaps it's worth it: I suspect you might enjoy wallpapering your WGWAG room (where you watch movies featuring WGWAG) with the letter from your congressman.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8343903) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 10:48 AM Author: khaki milk
The problem is that Nintendo typically goes for the anime big-eyed look, which makes none of them look Asian. I'm not sure if it would sufficiently authentic.
Super Nintendo is otherwise a very impressive plan. No one would ever see it coming.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8343960) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 10:52 AM Author: khaki milk
It's possible, but I don't recommend it. If you are indeed an AG in search of WG, then I would suggest making lots of money. That typically helps. There's also Craigslist or Match.com or something.
EDIT: While I'm happy to help with your WGWAG questions, as you can see it is not my area of expertise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8343968) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:01 AM Author: khaki milk
That was an interesting turn of events. I can't say I saw it coming. This may be why WGWAG will always ultimately fail. Those who advocate for it are too prone to outbursts like this. What you need is a leader, and I don't see one coming any time soon.
Best of luck.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8343994) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:23 AM Author: khaki milk
I suppose my daughter's life is most important. She may learn to regret her decision. Tough call. Either "yes" or "no, but I'll check her into a treatment center immediately."
Even if yes, annulment is definitely possible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8344081) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:28 AM Author: Burgundy racy community account resort
Hypo, cont'd: Ten years later they're happily married. All the h8ters were wrong. Your grandchildren are WGWAG half-breeds. Do you only set aside for them inheritances in proportion to their white blood?
wgwag
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8344102) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:24 PM Author: Burgundy racy community account resort
You mean you don't believe that God gives each and every one of us a special purpose; that you don't believe that really hot, horny girls aren't destined for porn; that porn and all that is good are just accidents, with no purpose, creations of man all?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8344650)
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:11 AM Author: chrome hairy legs station
ty for this thread dood. it's very helpful.
other than exam time how much time do you put in studying during a typical week of classes?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8344028) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:22 AM Author: khaki milk
I don't think my week-to-week study schedule is something that anyone should emulate. I sometimes fail to do the reading entirely; I often merely skim for the holdings; and I typically do less than is expected. In a Socratic class, this means that I am sometimes called on when I just don't know the answer. So it goes. I try to stay up on the policy stuff, since that usually gets me by in class (plus skimming the case as we go over it).
In answer to your question, probably about 30 to 45 minutes for the the typical class, though it varies widely. I will also designate a weekend here or there for hardcore studying (say, 14 hours). Sometimes you need to catch up. Other times, you realize that the last two weeks of class don't matter, other than for the experience.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8344076) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 11:25 AM Author: khaki milk
Off to lunch, but I'll check back when I return.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8344090) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:12 PM Author: khaki milk
Depends on the exam. Some have page limits, so no. Others don't have page limits, so often yes. This is also a function of looking for what the professor wants based on past exams if possible.
Where there are no page limits, I'd be willing to bet that there's at least a rough correlation between length and grades.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8344589) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:49 PM Author: khaki milk
I wasn't confident until I met with my study group, and I wasn't sure until I got my fall grades. It honestly FEELS like a crapshoot. But since it's repeatable, I'm more confident now. I don't think grades (at the top or bottom anyway) are random, as many say. I'm biased of course.
I do think that different things work for different people, but I feel confident that "learning everything first and then starting to look at exams" is a bad idea. You can usually cut out a minimum of 30% of the crap from the semester, and if you're good about it, sometimes as much as 80% of the crap. Look at exams.
EDIT: I ignored a question unintentionally, but now I'll have to decline to answer. I think that I might be too easily outed if I put down my employment.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8344731) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 6:52 PM Author: khaki milk
I doubt anyone is still interested.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8346094) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 10:49 PM Author: khaki milk
I'm back tonight. I probably won't do this anymore after tonight.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8346816) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:14 PM Author: khaki milk
See above.
EDIT: I realize "above" is vague. I meant for this to refer to the OP (no outing), but it could also refer to the bad social skills post.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8346868) |
Date: July 6th, 2007 11:38 PM Author: khaki milk
Alright, thread closed (for me anyway).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8346940) |
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Date: July 7th, 2007 12:10 AM Author: exhilarant disgusting brethren
do you think there's any point in doing this 2 week "law-preview" course that my school is offering? apparantely they teach you some skills on memo writing, studying for exams, etc. they also go over each 1L course in a 3 hour class (one class per weekday).
does shit like this really ever help?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8347037) |
Date: July 15th, 2007 10:18 PM Author: khaki milk
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8389373) |
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Date: July 24th, 2007 3:17 PM Author: Ultramarine macaca
bump. good thread. HYSCCNanon, I found that your focus on A answers was the way to go. As much as learning any specific doctrine, what mattered for me was learning Professor X's habits of analysis -- the DNA of what they thought a good answer did -- so that you could sort of mimic it on the exam. I tell people that what the professor secretly wants to hear is the mini-version of him you've spawned in your brain after weeks of sitting through his brilliant lectures. After you get this, it shapes and speeds up note taking, outline prep, etc.
The other thing was how important it is to only skim the cases before class. A well written opinion is as easy to skim as a TV guide, because all the sections are marked: rule synthesis/application/counter/conclusion, then repeat. The important thing is finding the puzzle in the case and thinking about that a little bit. I was always amazed when I would skim a case for five minutes before class and then I'd end up riffing with the professor about it in class, while people who still cared enough to sweat over it got left behind. Not that talking in class matters.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653745&forum_id=2#8429227) |
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