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Racists/AA bashers: how do you explain Michael Wilbon?
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:00 PM Author: Racy Karate Address he has said many times that he had no clue what to do on the SAT and got a terrible score. But AA got him into Northwestern where he flourished at the Medill School of Journalism. He is now one of the most respected journalists out there and an extremely popular and influential sportswriter.
he says that standardized tests are biased and dont accurately reflect intelligence and that he's living proof.
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:01 PM Author: Titillating Immigrant Telephone He's an idiot and has AA'd every step of the way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415914) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:03 PM Author: Racy Karate Address he's no skip bayless or woody paige! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415921) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:05 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life "extremely popular and influential sportswriter."
This, along with journalism in general, does not take a college education. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:05 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma he's a good journalist but he says dumb shit once in a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415927) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:06 PM Author: Racy Karate Address http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415921
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:06 PM Author: Titillating Immigrant Telephone He without fail always chooses the black athlete over the white one in any comparison. And he always defends their ridiculous behavior. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415930) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:07 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma dude that's way off. he comes down hard on many black athletes on PTI, like pacman, vick, ricky williams, stephen jackson, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415939) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:12 PM Author: Racy Karate Address he hates the yanks and the sawx (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415957) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:13 PM Author: Titillating Immigrant Telephone he's a chicago sportswriter you faggot idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415962) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:13 PM Author: Racy Karate Address Reply
Date: July 21st, 2007 1:13 PM Author: D: (peak oil + colony collapse disorder)
he's a chicago sportswriter you faggot idiot
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415962)
LOL!! he's written for the washington post for 20 years, douchebag. he grew up in chicago.
another selfpwnage. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:14 PM Author: Comical Irate Area Love Of Her Life well, anyone who knows what's good for them hates the yankees and the bosox. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415968) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:16 PM Author: dun alpha He writes about sports. Are you really telling me this is a job you don't think any high school dropout could do? Here's the job, watch a lot of sports, then write about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415980) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:20 PM Author: Comical Irate Area Love Of Her Life i wasn't saying anything about how easy or hard sportswriting is. i was saying that hating the yanks and the bosox is a good thing. i don't get the logical flow to your comment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415994) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:22 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping This is shockingly stupid.
It involves taking a mass of data and reducing it down to something coherent after interviewing players and coaches. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:25 PM Author: dun alpha Interviewing players and coaches, oh man, i bet you need a focused degree to figure that one out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416027) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:28 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping Actually you do to be any good. While any idiot can hold a mic in someone's face, it takes talent to get scoops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416040) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:33 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life this is wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Jennings -- Highschool Dropout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite -- College Dropout
you do need talent, but this isn't something that journalism programs can teach. It also isn't registered on admissions tests, and thus this guy's success has nothing to do with the AA debate. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:38 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln
See how easy this game is.
You do not need to go to J-school to be a successful journalist.
But if you want to be a journalist, J-school certainly helps you to get the skills necessary. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:46 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life him: Interviewing players and coaches, oh man, i bet you need a focused degree to figure that one out
you: actually, you do to be any good
me: no, you don't. see peter jenning and Walter Cronkite.
you: You do not need to go to J-school to be a successful journalist.
TY
Instead of Journalism School (which you pay for) you would gain the skills necessary more quickly merely interning or working for a news agency (which would pay you). Jounalism school is an utter and complete waste of time and resourses on part of both the student and the university
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:57 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping You're not getting the point.
You could be a vet by watching enough discovery channel. That does not mean vet schools are worthless.
You cannot get the skills merely by interning. You would get an extremely narrow view of that agency's particular style, layouts, etc. With J-school you have a base knowledge that is broadly applicable, more so than purely interning.
I would also like to see how you get the credentials for the internship in the first place absent J-school.
Look, getting a first job in that industry is the hardest thing most people will ever do. But once you do that, rising in the industry is not that difficult. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 6:08 PM Author: exhilarant geriatric circlehead HE WROTE FOR THE FUCKING POST FOR 20 YEARS, HE IS A FUCKING O'S FAN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8417421) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:16 PM Author: Alcoholic Frozen School anecdotal evidence/small sample size. plenty of white people have no clue what to do on standardized tests, get into a good school, and flourish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415978) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:30 PM Author: Idiotic Peach Sound Barrier Theatre success at sports writing =/= intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416343) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:31 PM Author: Idiotic Peach Sound Barrier Theatre Opinion of sports writer on standardized tests = irrelevant
HTFH |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 4:47 PM Author: nubile apoplectic casino Wilbon looks good compared to the other blacks on ESPN because most of them are semi-literate at best(Pleamaker,Dusty Baker,Screamin A,etc.)
He is articulate and well spoken however he rarely says anything insightful. Jumping on the bandwagon of whatever team is the ESPN flavor of the week is hardly the sign of intelligence or good journalism.
Overall though, if ESPN replaced all their personalities with Wilbons it would be a vast improvement. |
Date: July 21st, 2007 1:17 PM Author: bateful mildly autistic principal's office regret Medill or any other journalism school = TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8415985) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:21 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping Utterly false. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416003) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:36 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life As a journalism major, I concur whole heartedly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416073) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:20 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping Several points:
He went to St. Ignatius High, which means the AA started way before college.
Medill is a tough school. To have succeeded there at all means he's smart.
Journalism is a great undergrad degree. It teaches you how work in an office setting and presumably write. It also has a quasi-direct career path, unlike English or Poli-Sci or any liberal arts degree. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:22 PM Author: dun alpha Who majors in journalism other than people too stupid for real majors, but not willing to give up and go to art school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416008) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:25 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping People who want to be journalists, which is a respectable profession for average journalists and a prestigious profession for those at the top.
Making 160K to do a 5-minute sports cast on the evening news>>>>>> 160 being a paper shuffler. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:38 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life If you're the right personality type and in the right market, it can be a kind of fun thing to do in college. But no one's hiring, so you better be looking at professional school or double majoring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416090) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:23 PM Author: Comical Irate Area Love Of Her Life yeah...being the proud (ha!) owner of a polisci degree from UG, journalism is far more useful than polisci. and, it's an interesting field...it teaches you how to write, and write in a way people like to read. not in a way like academia, where you write in an intellectually masturbatory manner.
i'm with you. he gets props for doing Medill. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:27 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping Even other parts of it are great, too. Copy-editing keeps the lost art of understanding the English language.
Design and spatial thinking are good skills. I know a girl who went from a design focus to being an architect. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:34 PM Author: Comical Irate Area Love Of Her Life yeah...i really wish i had better editing skills now that i'm doing legal writing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416061) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:37 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life "It also has a quasi-direct career path" lol. no news orgs are hiring. Welcome to the internet. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:40 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping Are there no news orgs on the Internet?
I was a journalism major, too. I guess I was good at it, unlike you. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:50 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life there's a glut of experienced journalists being downsized (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416140) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:01 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping So no one in a J-school will get a job ever?
Why have computer science majors after the dot-com crash? |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:26 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life do a little research on media dissagregation. The idea is that people would rather read a blog by an american soldier and another by an Iraqi civilian than the reports by the AP stringer embedded with a unit. Since the internet explosion, now people can.
The skills required of journalists are changing. The dotcom crash is not analogous. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:30 PM Author: White dashing mad-dog skullcap stage all the journalism majors at unc are dropouts from various majors who are dumb as rocks and still get high gpas. and unc has a "prestigious" jschool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416340) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:24 PM Author: Green Well-lubricated Fanboi Resort All you're saying is that you don't have to be smart to be a sports writer. No shit, Sherlock. That doesn't mean that AA is fair or justified. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416020) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:27 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma yeah i'm not really sure what the OP's point is. most sports journalists seem pretty fucking stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416036) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:29 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping You people seem clueless. Bashing poors is one thing. Bashing those with legitimate jobs who make more than you is another. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416041) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:31 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma supermodels make more than i do also. another high-yield, non-cerebral occupation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416045) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:35 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping which you would do in a New York minute if you had the skills to do. You do not.
Instead, you research if some SEC filing was proper.
Ostensibly, the reason you went into law was to make money and/or accumulate prestige. As such, you have no basis to bash those who have succeeded in a career where they make more money and have more prestige for the reason of being in that career. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:37 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma i doubt i lack the skills to be a successful sportswriter. in fact it never ocurred to me that it would be a fulfilling career. who have i bashed by the way? you seem to think you're a bit sharper than you actually are. do you have any idea what exactly you're arguing here? for every wilbon, who i have not bashed in any shape or form, there are about 1000 ttt sportswriters who make shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416081) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:45 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping "who have i bashed by the way?"
Most sportswriters.
"For every wilbon, who i have not bashed in any shape or form, there are about 1000 ttt sportswriters who make shit."
So what? If that's what they want to do let them. The point I'm making is that being a successful sportswriter is not something someone stupid could do.
It's akin to calling everyone who did not go to a T6 law school stupid. They might not be as smart as the T6 types but are not stupid.
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:56 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma so if i say trash collecting doesn't require artistic skill i'm bashing them? sportswriting simply doesn't require raw intelligence. we'll have to agree to disagree on that. someone who is passionate about sports and has the right connections and a little luck could make it in the business without being very smart. it's something that doesn't require any cognitive ability that hasn't already been fully developed by age 13. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416173) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:59 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping I don't think you understand all of what writers do. If you think they attend games and write stories and nothing else, you might have a point. But they do much more than that.
You have to write features, cover management, cover crime, cover family issues for players, cover politics with stadiums.
A 13-year old could not do that.
Newswriting generally is much more difficult than you are giving credit for. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:02 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma no i have a pretty good idea because i read my local sports section. the beat writer literally does nothing but go to games and practices, asking for sound bites whenever he gets a chance. maybe a dozen featured sports columnists in the country could boast the breadth of sportswriting product you describe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416206) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:06 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping "no i have a pretty good idea because i read my local sports section."
You have no idea about the amount of reporting that goes on in areas that are never printed.
A columnist is more of a people skills position. You need a lot of people to care what you have to say. To develop that rapport is a marketable talent, maybe not requiring raw intelligence but certainly a scarce skill. It's similar to a trial lawyer.
Everyone in the world think they can be a journalist and do a better job than those in the field. Few people actually know what goes on. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:38 PM Author: Green Well-lubricated Fanboi Resort That's not the point at all. Standardized tests measure intelligence and knowledge. Those things don't matter for several very high paying professions. But the fact that those professions exist doesn't mean AA is justified. What do you not understand?
I'm not necessarily bashing sports writers, I'm just observing that they don't need to be smart. That's just a fact. I don't even know if they earn more or less than attorneys. Because they don't need to be smart, the SAT isn't a good predictor of someone's suitability to be a sports writer. |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:35 PM Author: Green Well-lubricated Fanboi Resort Exactly. And athletes for that matter. Add movie stars to the list too.
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:52 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life do you know how much this sportswriter fellow we're talking about makes? jounalism pays miserably except at the top, and typically then only on TV. I would be shocked if any print journalist, even the famous ones, made more than 150k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416152) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 1:57 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma Wilbon? if you add up his washington post, PTI, ABC/ESPN, and NBC local gigs, he is easily in the 7 figure range. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416182) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:21 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life I don't follow sports that closely, outside a couple teams. If he's on camera 7 figures isn't crazy, but columnists don't make that much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416298) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:31 PM Author: doobsian cocky boistinker friendly grandma agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416348) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:01 PM Author: Turquoise diverse gas station gaping You seem willfully ignorant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416203) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 2:28 PM Author: Gay rough-skinned goal in life What part of what I said (unless he's on TV, i don't see him making more than 150k) is incompatible with "Between his ESPN and NBC gigs, he probably pulls in 7 figs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8416330) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 6:29 PM Author: buff boltzmann Becoming highly regarded in journalism does not require a college degree. Peter Jennings did not have a college degree. Tom Brokaw failed out of Iowa before graduating from South Dakota. Dan Rather is a proud alum of Sam Houston state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8417487) |
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Date: July 21st, 2007 6:31 PM Author: Green Well-lubricated Fanboi Resort Exactly. And those reporters reported on national issues. This guy talks about sports. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=661800&forum_id=2#8417499) |