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Date: March 1st, 2008 10:26 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Is there a difference?
Since you guys are talking about TTTs like me, I guess I should ask.
With this decision to make, I should probably just kill myself, but failing that where do I have the best shot at 100k+/year?
After accounting for scholarships/residency, they all cost about the same in the 20-30k/year range (Wisconsin cheapest, WUSTL most expensive).
If I get into GW (likely with no $) should I bite the bullet and gun over there?
I guess I should do the WUSTL but it looks like Illinois does better in Chicago.
They are all about top 25% or bust for a decent job, 15% for a transfer up? How much do these numbers vary between them? |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 10:30 PM Author: garnet talented electric furnace travel guidebook where are you from? geography should definitely figure into this decision since there's a good chance you'll be staying close to the school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9413556) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 10:37 PM Author: Gold bat-shit-crazy old irish cottage theater stage titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9413584) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 10:37 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi I'm from the midwest and I have a high LSAT (isn't this obvious?)....but I got a TTT GPA and so I don't think Northwestern is going to take me.
I don't really give a fuck about geography. Just want a job, pay off my debts, and maybe eventually work for local government. A bigger city would be better than a smaller one. I like Chicago.
I like W&L and the South, actually, but I don't have ties down there so that could hurt me.
I don't think most 0Ls have caught on to the new "LRAP for all" law that makes life OK for anyone who goes into "public service." (When they do, it will be utterly impossible to get a public defender job anywhere.) That can be anything--a nonprofit or govt is fine, and I don't even know if you need to be working as a lawyer. So I'd be angling for a place that places well with the local DA/PD offices, or with nonprofits. I would think all these schools are about the same on that score. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 10:42 PM Author: garnet talented electric furnace travel guidebook I think you should reconsider whether you really don't give a fuck about geography, especially if you are straight of UG.
Once you're a hard-working lawyer, you won't have four-week vacations around christmastime to visit your family. There's a good chance you'll want to be close to your parents once you settle down, so that your kids can visit your grandparents regularly, so you can see your own parents regularly, etc.
Anyway I don't know about the details on job placement. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 10:47 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi One lives in Canada, and the other lives in rural Iowa. I have no desire to live in either place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9413619) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 10:52 PM Author: bisexual honey-headed weed whacker point Fuck it. Take a scholarship in Miami or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9413632) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 11:02 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi That's a good idea. I wouldn't have the time to work out constantly so I could pick up the bitches down there though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9413653) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 11:03 PM Author: bisexual honey-headed weed whacker point I say go to the University of Hawaii.
Edit: For free. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 11:57 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Not likely. Would be nice though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9413868) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:21 AM Author: charcoal stag film what are your numbers? like a 3.0 167? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9413966) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:27 AM Author: exciting claret set fanboi GPA worse, LSAT better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9413992) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:31 AM Author: charcoal stag film sub 170? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9414001) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:42 AM Author: exciting claret set fanboi no, well above 170. TERRIBLE gpa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9414038) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:51 PM Author: insecure hell voyeur If you're above 170, I don't see why you're so low on your chances at GULC or NU. How bad is a "bad" GPA? <2.5? Believe it or not, it makes a difference, even if it has no effect on the 25% GPA reported to USNews.
You'll probably end up getting a 3/4 or full ride to WUSTL and Illinois. Both have decent placement as long as you're in the top 1/3 or so. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:57 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Yes, less than 2.5. I project a rejection from GULC and a WL reject from NU.
I haven't heard back from WUSTL and Illinois, but I think I'd have to at least have a 2.8 or something to get a 3/4 ride from either WUSTL or Illinois. Similar numbers (not on LSN, people I know) have gotten around $10-20k/year from WUSTL and Illinois.
On the other hand, my LSAT is in the high 170s (rather not out myself, there are probably only 2 or 3 other people like me applying to law school this year). |
Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:23 AM Author: canary business firm For the love of god, NOT Minnesota.
WUSTL is fine, as is Illinois. Know nothing about Wisconsin |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:27 AM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Why is Minnesota so bad?
You'd think they'd all be about the same. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:30 AM Author: canary business firm There have been numerous threads here detailing how far they lag compared to similar schools. Are they still in the T20? If so, they are far and away the worst.
You'd think they do well, but they only really feed to Chicago where they have to compete with like 10 other schools. You'd be better off almost anywhere else you could get into. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:36 AM Author: translucent hairraiser senate i agree with sarcashtick that minnesota does not deserve its ranking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9414017) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:45 AM Author: exciting claret set fanboi I'm sure it's bad but it can't be any worse than Iowa.
Illinois seems to do alright in Chicago (top 20%?) but if you don't get that are you basically unemployable or what? Same for WUSTL, it seems like people give WUSTL a lot of slack.
Is GW a lot better than these places or just a little better? |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 1:37 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9415844) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 2:39 PM Author: alcoholic supple space jap Subject: WUSTL WUSTL is a crap shoot. I graduated in 2004. People had a very hard time finding jobs--2003 was much, much worse. I was around the median and had no offers to speak of. I had a number of friends in the top 1/3 without jobs. One was a JD/MBA. Basically, WUSTL doesn't place that well; although it's a step up from MN and IOWA.
One thing I should note is that being in the top 1/3 at WUSTL is very hard. Everyone is smart--there are a few morons, but not enough to automatically get you in a biglaw position. Also, everyone at WUSTL is gunning for biglaw. If you are below the top 1/3, career services is dead to you--as are most of your options. WUSTL is probably more expensive now than it was when I went through, so be careful. I know a lot of good, smart people who started with high expectations and became jaded when all said and done. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 2:46 PM Author: Disrespectful mildly autistic yarmulke rigor "being in the top 1/3 at WUSTL is very hard"
Acute lollercaust. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:05 PM Author: Light Vivacious School Cafeteria what are you doing now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416153) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:09 PM Author: alcoholic supple space jap Subject: Insurance Subrogation... ...for a small law firm. Not what I wanted, but at least it's a job. Some of my friends did doc review for a few years then went on to other things. Others have lateraled up to better firms. Though, that's getting harder in this economy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416176) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:32 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi How much does that pay your first year out? $50k?
EDIT: In St. Louis? |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:54 PM Author: alcoholic supple space jap It's a boutique firm, not a shitty ID/PI TTT. I was lucky. You don't want to go to law school for 50k. You can make that right out of college. STL's legal market is pretty bad. You have to be from STL basically to get a job there. Don't get me wrong, Beerlaw has some good people, but they all want the brass ring. In a good economy, the top half has an okay chance at midlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416351) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:07 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi So you'd consider what you have "midlaw"? The whole idea of midlaw confuses me. There aren't many such firms, and they generally don't hire out of school, although I could be wrong about that.
So these top half people who have midlaw...like how much do they make? $80k? It just sounds like I would be networking desperately for 2 1/2 years to find a job like that, and once I got it, I'd still barely have enough to pay off the loans within a few years.
And with my TTT poli sci degree, there's no way I'm making anywhere near $50k. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:23 PM Author: alcoholic supple space jap I'm not midlaw; my area of the law is actually very small, so I don't have a lot of firm options. Midlaw, to me at least, are the second tier law firms. Basically, law firms in KC, STL, Omaha, Memphis, etc. Midlaw is around 100k a year. Not the big salaries associated with biglaw, but good money in cheap locals. In a bad economy, like we're in now, those jobs dry up fast.
Oh, you can make 50k easily. Just get yourself a good sales job. I have a friend who also had a commie major, and sold cars after college. He has a better car than me and makes good money for a guy in his 20s. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 5:26 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi The way I see it, law is kind of like a sales job, only with more growth potential than cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416796) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 2:47 PM Author: Pearl heady hall go to wisconsin. It's cheap, no bar exam, hot chicks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416067) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:01 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman I'll give you the W&L perspective.
W&L actually has the best reach of any of the schools you mention, although without ties it'd be very hard to get a job in CA. If you want Chicago, though, there is a career fair each year in Chicago that all the top firms attend. Generally speaking, you can get good to great biglaw with top 20% and good interviewing. Top 1/3 and good interviewing also definitely gets you biglaw, probably in the vault v50-100 range. Outside of top 1/3, it's more of a crapshoot and depends on job market. I know this year we had people below median place at V100 firms. If you are top 1/3 you should have no problem at a good Chicago firm if you have ties.
I say top 20% for great biglaw (Cravath, Williams and Connolly will interview at that ranking, for example I think) because a lot of our top 10% transfers out each year.
On the downside, universal student opinion is that the career office isn't that good for you if you can't get biglaw--not because they don't want to help, though. They are quite nice. If you fall outside that range you are basically left on your own, and the jobs posted are mostly southern jobs.
Otherwise, it's a good school. It's obviously better than most of the schools you listed, and for Wustl, well wustl is TTT and over ranked. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:15 PM Author: alcoholic supple space jap Subject: Overrated probably. Though, not as much as MN and IOWA. But WUSTL is going to buy its way into the T14. I'm guessing around 2010. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416191) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:22 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman haha no way. i agree w/r/t mn and iowa. i honestly think wustle has about capped out. w&l used to 17th in the rankings i think, not too long ago, but the rankings are too unpredictable in our 17-25ish range, and the top schools too entrenched, and then ucla / texas too entrenched at the 15/16 spots and the like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416216) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:40 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi That's interesting. I really want come up with a good reason to go to W&L, although I've heard less rosy opinions about their placement than that. For example if Williams & Connolly took top 20% W&L people, you'd think they'd be able to pull them from the grasp of, say, Hunton, no?
How does W&L do with PD/DA jobs in Virginia? With the new loan repayment law, I will have to gun for a PD/DA job if I don't get in the top 20%.
Also, how do you perceive the student quality at W&L? I know W&L likes high LSATs (otherwise I'd never get in) but I doubt it has as many high LSAT biglaw gunners as WUSTL (or even Illinois, for that matter).
Illinois has been my default choice all along, by the way, although I'm beginning to favor Wisconsin over it. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:46 PM Author: Know-it-all reading party public bath UIUC is better than Wisconsin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416312) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:52 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Yeah, but Wisconsin is a little cheaper, has fewer smart gunners, probably has similar biglaw placement, and I wouldn't have to take the bar. I'd rather be top 20% at Illinois, but I'd rather be median at Wisconsin, make sense?
Also Madison is an awesome town. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:00 PM Author: Pearl heady hall but it's in a shitty location and you have to take the bar exam (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417015) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:01 PM Author: Light Vivacious School Cafeteria you know that going to Wisconsin only exempts you from the Wisconsin bar, correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417020) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:03 PM Author: Pearl heady hall Yeah, so you start off with 1 bar admission. If you want to go someplace else you are no worse off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417034) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:05 PM Author: Light Vivacious School Cafeteria it just seems to me most people here have no interest in staying in WI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417053) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:05 PM Author: Pearl heady hall also, this guy is selling our friend a loaf of shit the size of Michael Jackson's teddy bear collection.
Saying Cravath 'interviews' top 20% at W&L is absurdly misleading if it's even true.
Honestly top 20% at W&L is probably lucky to be at Cadwalader, Charlotte. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:12 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi I am fully aware that Cravath has no W&L graduates. Like, none, go look it up. So I guess you'd have to be top 0%.
That's not what I'm worried about though. If I'm in the top 1/3 at W&L, will I have a job that pays me decent money? I honestly don't know. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:16 PM Author: fluffy adulterous station Here's the thing about W&L dude: In the last few years, every top 5%/LR EIC or lead articles editor has gone to Richmond midlaw. You KNOW those people can go wherever they want.
I visited and when I was applying to schools and have some friends there now. The school actually places very well, but the class is very small and the people who go there self-select to go to small Virginia/southeast firms.
Seriously, I'm told the atmosphere among students is pretty much anti-biglaw/pro-midlaw. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:21 PM Author: Pearl heady hall What makes you think top 5% and law review editor at washington and lee "can go wherever"?
There's no reason to think that at all. There are at least 30 other schools with top 5% and law review editor types just as good or better than washington and lee. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:24 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman "There are at least 30 other schools with top 5% and law review editor types just as good or better than washington and lee."
W&L has never been as low as 30. It usually around 20, but this past year we sucked it up and fell to 25. So that statement of yours is false.
The fact is, you apparently don't know anything about W&L, and you should probably stop misleading this person into thinking W&L is a shit school, when it is clearly a better school than all the listed ones except arguably wustl. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:27 PM Author: Pearl heady hall It isn't a good school. You are making out to be far, far better than it really is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417168) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:29 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman It's not anti-biglaw, but there are a lot of people who don't want to do it, certainly.
It is really odd that so many EICs of the law review end up at Hunton. Just goes to the quirkiness of the school, I guess. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:13 PM Author: fluffy adulterous station I know top 15-20% at W&L going to Skadden/Paul Weiss/Kirkland/WIlmer.
Cravath may be pushing it, from what I hear. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:19 PM Author: Pearl heady hall Weil also has 0
Skadden has 5. 1 of those is a staff attorney and 3 of them are in Wilmington. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:21 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman actually, weil has 4 currently. you have to type in "washington & lee" not "washington and lee"
edit - actually, one was undergrad. so three. you also have to realize that not many w&l students WANT to go to nyc. we only have maybe 10 every year go there. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:22 PM Author: Pearl heady hall Oooh, my bad.
So we have 8 fuckin' lawyers at the firms you mentioned from your law school. That's probably less than 1 per year. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:28 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman Look, fucknut:
W&L's class is about 120 people, give or take. So for top 20%, that is 24 people. Of those 24, I think only 5 probably want to go to NYC on average every year. 5 more to DC, etc. Some want to do DA/PD work, and some want to do PI work. Many want to go back home to West Virginia, or Tennessee, or Georgia.
So your argument that there are so few people in top NYC firms because W&L is a shitty school, and I'm full of shit, is just not persuasive. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:30 PM Author: Pearl heady hall Those people aren't going to New York, or DC. We are talking about Wilmington mostly.
You are full of shit.
I doubt more than 3 people make more than 100k from Washington and Lee in a given year.
so you've got 24 people in the top 20%. that's 240 people in the last ten years, cutting it off to not bitch slap you too hard. So you've got 8 for 240 in those big firms. And at least 3 of them are in Wilmington. I'm done with you; you are flame and basically nothing you are saying is earnest advice. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:31 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman Lol. Okay buddy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417202) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:19 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman Not saying it happens frequently, or if ever before (because I'm only a student now, not ten years ago ...). But we do have a 3L and a 2L going to Cravath. Maybe it's a first.
And yes, top 15-20% can get you PW, Skadden, Shearman, Weil, etc. Top third can get you Clifford Chance or White and Case or Mayer Brown, etc. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:26 PM Author: Pearl heady hall yawn, tired, lame, flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417162) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:37 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi No, no, no! Mayer Brown won't look much beyond the magna/coif/LR kids at UIUC, which is the state school in its home market! And why would Shearman take a top 1/3 W&L student when it can have someone at the top of the class from Canada? So no!
Listen, I like W&L and all, and given my TTT options I may yet go there. At W&L, if I'm in the top third I'd like to have a very good shot at the likes of LeClair or McGuire in Richmond/NoVA. And I'd like to have a good shot at PD/DA offices in the bigger Southern cities.
I'd really appreciate if if someone who knows could tell me if that's a stretch or not. And I don't really know if it is.
I really could care less about Skadden, PW, Shearman, etc. I mean, if you don't work in the W&L career office, why else would you be familiar with such firms? I mean, I'm not a huge fan of NYC, and most W&L students seem like decent folks who don't like tight-fitting suits or gel in their hair, and such people usually don't want NYC anyway. I can say that much in W&L's defense.
And if any incredibly kind person has 1L outlines for W&L, WUSTL, or UIUC, let me know. I will trade you pr0n. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:51 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman I was talking about Mayer Brown in NYC, not Chicago. I'm not really familiar with Chicago hiring statistics. I know a lot about NY statistics because I know people who are going there next year as first years and next summer as SAs.
You would have a good shot at most Richmond firms. I think Hunton has a 20% cut off (that's a guess--it may be lower or higher), which I think is a lot stricter than the other Richmond firms. The trouble with Richmond is they really do want you to show some connection to the city, and I'd imagine that to be the case unless you went to the University of Richmond. It's a tough market to break unless you're from VA.
I think PD/DA in VA would be fairly easy to get, as W&L is one of their preferred schools, and I doubt they'd want you to show connections as much (that's a guess, though).
And you're right, we don't have many guido-esque people here. We have a lot of southerners.
And you don't need outlines now. That's just absurd gunnery. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:52 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman Well, let me be clear: W&C will look at someone in the top 20%, but the person would also have to be an incredible interviewer, etc, to get the job. No W&L student has actually gone to W&C in recent years, but I do think it's a possibility. On the other hand, there is a 3L and a 2L going to Cravath, which, while only one person, you have to consider that our class size is about 120 people and people spread out across the country.
The deal with Hunton is either you are from VA originally, so it's an obvious choice, or they bring you in 1L summer if you have good grades, and you love it there and stay. Also, even though I don't like Richmond particularly, Hunton is a solid firm--just not in NYC or DC--but in the south it's huge. And it has giant tobacco stuff it handles.
W&L has great placement with PD/DA jobs if you want to do that sort of thing. Especially in VA.
Student quality is really high, although, as with most law schools, there are always some people who you wonder how they got in. I think student quality is probably higher than at comparably ranked law schools because W&L, more than other schools, throws A TON of money at students who get into GULC or Penn or Duke or whatever--because otherwise they'd never come here. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:01 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi I have horrible UG grades so I am wary about catching any kind of paid gig for 1L summer, because those (I think) usually ask you for a UG transcript.
I'm not from VA. I hope that doesn't close doors that otherwise might be open.
Basically, if I go to W&L, I'll feel most comfortable if I know that as long as I'm top third or so, I can make the $100k/year or whatever I'd need to pay off the debt. I don't care if that's in Richmond, NoVA, or some other random place in the South, or really anywhere else. Lower-level NYC biglaw would do the trick, but they generally don't go to W&L OCI, so I have a feeling I would be out of luck there unless I *hustled*.
W&L would cost me about $20-30k more total than Wisconsin, and I have a hard time convincing myself that it would be worth it. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:04 PM Author: Razzle tan prole It is worth it. I dont know anything about Wisconsin, but if you dont mind small towns you will love W&L. You will get a better education than you would at Wisconsin and you will have plenty of opportunities as long as you are in the top 1/3 after 1L. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416404) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:15 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman I did forget to mention a similar point on that subject: you do need to be wary that Lexington is VERY SMALL. 1L year it's fine because you work all the time. 2L year and 3L year you don't work so much, and there's not really, um, ANYTHING to do. A lot of students want to claw their eyes out towards the end... but if you have a good group of friends, it's not terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416446) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:02 PM Author: Pearl heady hall That's the stupidest fuckin thing I've ever heard. It's not worth it. Not. Even. Close.
In fact it's highly debatable if W&L is better at all. Washington and Lee is a top 30 school. So is Wisconsin. Trust me, no matter what people have been telling you Cravath does NOT hire top 20% at w&l. In fact I would be fucking shocked if they hired outside the top 2. Not 2%. 2. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:37 AM Author: spectacular crusty abode generalized bond Rounding to the nearest number, 2% of the class size at W&L is 2. Ok, thanks, bye. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9420409) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:12 PM Author: walnut disgusting messiness location Sorry about your tiny pink school bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423407) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 3:55 PM Author: Razzle tan prole Did I say anything about Cravath? I cant imagine more than 1 or 2 people at W&L would want to work there anyways. Outside the t14 all schools are regional. If you want to work in the midwest Wisconsin may be better, I dont know. But if you want to work on the east coast or in the south, W&L is a better place. Not many students are stupid enough to want NYC biglaw, but if you want it you can do it at W&L. You wont get V5 unless you do really well, but you can easily get market in NYC with top 20%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9421872) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 5:09 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi That other guy was harping about W&L and Cravath and it was very head-exploding. I want to avoid NYC if possible.
The South is fine by me but I don't have ties anywhere in the South (except maybe Nashville). If I don't make the top 20%, then what? Can I at least clear 70-80k? I have serious doubts about that given my lack of ties.
Other than Atlanta, insurance defense in the South doesn't pay very well, and lots of the better govt jobs in VA are taken by UVA grads, so I don't really know what I'd do if I didn't make top 20%. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:09 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman 1L summer positions at firms will look only at your fall grades. So don't worry about that. W&L only places 1Ls at firms in Richmond and the like. But don't worry about having bad UG grades. That said, only a couple people get 1L summer positions at firms.
Doesn't matter if you aren't from VA: the obvious line is that you went to W&L so you could practice in VA because you've been there before or you have family here or other nonsense.
As for NYC, we have a job fair there that a bunch of students go to, and a bunch of fairly top NYC firms go to. A range of firms at this year's fair included Cravath, Skadden, Weil, Paul Weiss, Shearman, Clifford Chance, on down. The only problem with these job fairs is it's pay your own way to city in question. But you can definitely get plenty of offers from NYC shops.
The price thing is tough, and that's really a personal decision. I'd say it's worth it. Wisconsin is a good school, but it's not quite at the same level as W&L, or Wustl, or GW, BC, etc. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:15 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi So where were you in your class and what did you end up doing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416450) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:17 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman Sorry, class size is so small I won't post any details about myself. If I said I went to, say, Sidley, for instance, I'd be instantly out-able. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416453) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:21 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi That's fine, but I'm looking for something along the lines of, I was top half and I make over $100k, or not.
I haven't heard any of the horror stories from W&L that I've heard from a bunch of other schools, but that might also be due to the small class size.
How many sections are there? Can you get a pretty good idea of who your 1L professors are going to be months in advance, because of the small size? |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:26 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman There are no sections ... it's that small. The closest thing I guess to a section would be you are divided up a bit for Burks, which is the writing requirement of 1L year.
I honestly don't remember when I found out about my professors. But because W&L is so small, you can get to know any of your professors pretty easily. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:55 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Thanks. That's good to know. You have made me think harder about W&L.
If you have a moment, you can e-mail me at xoxojerk@yahoo.com so I can beg you for outlines. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 5:06 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman i'm sure you won't have trouble getting outlines next year when you actually will need them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416676) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:24 PM Author: Pearl heady hall I think if you asked people, if anything, they would say washington and lee is a solid cut below wisconsin. It's more on par with George Mason or Northeastern or something and at least 2 steps below those other schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417148) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:56 PM Author: Fear-inspiring marvelous philosopher-king That's a stretch. W&L actually places a higher percentage in nlj 250 firms than wisconsin, but not a whole lot more. They are peer schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417393) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:31 PM Author: Razzle tan prole also, did you factor COL in your budget? Lexington is cheap. Very cheap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416508) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:06 PM Author: Histrionic embarrassed to the bone filthpig I'm sure all 12 of your alumni and W&L's stellar name-recognition makes it easy to get a great job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416413) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:11 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman The small alumni base makes things difficult. But most firms do know that W&L has some top students, and if you have the grades it doesn't matter. But thanks for the uninformed post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416434) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:19 PM Author: Histrionic embarrassed to the bone filthpig You acknowledge that I'm right and then say I'm uninformed? Nice. Also, you get the nice benefit of having 'top students' to compete against making 'the grades' all the harder to get. And btw, getting 'the grades' at pretty much any T1 means you are in relatively good shape, whether that's Iowa, Tulane, WUSTL, Minn, Wisc, whatever. W&L doesn't sound like the best of all worlds, it sounds like the worst. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 4:24 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman I'll admit it can be a problem in some ways. For instance, getting a job in California is quite difficult, because few people have heard of the school out there. It can also be a problem, I think, firms that do not recruit at W&L -- top firms, that is. So, while a W&L can get Cravath or Skadden or Weil, he may have trouble with SullCrom, DPW, or Cleary. But, in the end, that's not really a big deal.
And as for top students and grades, it's like any other school: top third is doable for the average student if they work hard enough, top 10% is hard, middle is, well, middle, and bottom of the class you either aren't too bright are you didn't study much. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:17 PM Author: Pearl heady hall Wow, you're right
You guys are doing so great at Cravath, Skadden and Weil.
I mean, there are 5 attorneys from W&L at Skadden, 3 in Wilmington. 1 of the 5 is a staff attorney.
I mean, that's awesome.
Still working on getting an attorney at Cravath or Weil though, even a staff attorney. Keep on plugging. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 5:59 PM Author: Pearl heady hall no way cravath hires top 20% at w&l. that's fanciful. that's what they want for t14 schools (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417007) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:00 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman they interview top 20%. fact. sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417018) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:10 PM Author: Pearl heady hall Here's a fuckin' fact: You have to be top 20% if you want to work at Cravath at Virginia. Which is a whole fucking lot better than Washington and Lee.
Also here's another fact: Just because they interview a certain number of people as a favor to your career services office (where you probably work) doesn't mean they are going to hire any of those people. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:15 PM Author: cream lascivious black woman Neither of your facts counters what I just said.
Cravath does hire from the top 20% at W&L. Now, that doesn't mean you don't have to fucking kill your interview, or maybe have good extracurricular shit, but they do hire top 20%. I'm sorry if this bruises your overblown ego, but, son, you are just going to have to get used to it. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:17 PM Author: Pearl heady hall Cravath = 0 Washington and Lee lawyers Weil = 0 Washington and Lee lawyers |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:18 PM Author: Fear-inspiring marvelous philosopher-king Doesn't W&L send a grand total of 0-1 students per year to vault 10 firms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417115) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:29 PM Author: Pearl heady hall They probably send 2-3 to vault 100, which is even worse. If you get a job out of there making more than 60K, you're fuckin' lucky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417184) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:41 PM Author: Fear-inspiring marvelous philosopher-king Top 20% get BIGCOALMININGLAW in Charleston, WV, assuming they interview exceptionally well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417294) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 3:37 PM Author: olive cuck forum try to get georgetown PT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9416273) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 6:42 PM Author: floppy corner W&L is a pathetic disgrace. It's amazing anyone thinks it's remotely good. W&L placement is HILARIOUSLY bad. They're also one of the loser schools that sends a million fee waivers out and rejects everyone who applies so that they can bump their USNews ranking. Anyone who applies to or attends this toilet deserves what they get (which on the job front will be basically nothing). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9417302) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:45 AM Author: insanely creepy therapy If "Just want a job, pay off my debts, and maybe eventually work for local government. A bigger city would be better than a smaller one." is really the ultimate goal, I'd choose WUSTL or GW as they'd give you the most options and whose degrees travel the best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9419646) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 5:22 AM Author: obsidian trip office Date: March 1st, 2008 7:20 PM Author: SonicYouth (OBAMA/INOUYE 2008, RUSH HOUR 4 COMING TO A WHITE HOUSE NEAR YOU!)
i was mistaken and i apologize. It turns out WUSTL has way more west coast firms interviewing on campus than I had thought. a quick glance at nalp directory shows way more than 5 firms. For instance they have:
Foley
Heller
Ropes
Shook
Winston
Kolisch
To name just a few....
Oh wait, no, that's all of them. Wait, wtf? Seriously? THey literally only have 6 west coast firms? Oh and Kolisch is an OREGON firm, not even CA. Oh shit. OP, you should kill yourself.
btw, WUSTL has 181 firms. Even GfuckingW has almost THREE TIMES AS MANY EMPLOYERS COMING ON CAMPUS. 541 versus 184.
Then again, what do I know, i didn't major in math. I majored in miracles, and I still believe in those too.
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 10:01 AM Author: aphrodisiac slippery double fault I'm looking at a few of these. Unless you want clerking options, MLPS for sure, or plan to be in the top 10-15%, Minnesota should be out.
I've been doing a lot of research on Illinois vs WUSTL vs Wisco for Chicago. UIUC > Wisco=WUSTL. Even then, I think the OP hit it on the head: would rather be top 20% @ UIUC but median at Wisconsin. I'm sitting on wads of cash @ Wisco so I've taken a liking in the last few days... |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 10:52 AM Author: insanely creepy therapy I'm curious about the UMN clerkship #. How much of that is federal? I know a lot of lower ranked schools say that they have high clerkship rates but what they don't tell you is that most of them are at the state/muni level.
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 12:32 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi I think that clerkship talk about UMN stems from one year (2005?) when UMN just had a huge shitload of federal clerks. If I'm not mistaken, things quickly went back to normal the next year.
I grew up in Minnesota and if I had a choice of any city, it would probably be Minneapolis. Minneapolis biglaw pays significantly less than Chicago biglaw, though, and there are very few 100k+ firms there. Also, UMN is a large school, and Minneapolis is a comparatively popular market among T14 students for its size.
So the big Minneapolis firms can choose to be very picky. I just don't think there are enough biglaw jobs in Minnesota to feed the entire top quarter of UMN's class.
Oddly enough, if I do well at WUSTL, I might have a better shot at a big Minneapolis firm rank-for-rank vs. UMN because the firm sees the schools as equals and would already have like 10 summers from UMN. But then again, if I do well at WUSTL, I might HAVE to look at a market like Minneapolis because WUSTL doesn't do that well in Chicago/NYC/DC. And WUSTL is pricey and filled with high LSAT competition.
You could say the same thing about GW, but at least there the top 35% is safe. I would feel more safe in the top 35% at GW vs. the top 33% at WUSTL, and getting either one of those is probably equally difficult. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 12:52 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy Why do you say we don't do well in Chicago/NYC/DC? Relative to what? Those are the markets we send the most folks to, in order. Not trolling here, just curious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9421016) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:05 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi If you look at the lawfirmaddict stats, which is really the only way to find stats about this other than firm bios, WUSTL seems to send about as many people as Wisconsin or Iowa to the Chicago firms they tracked. Now, they only tracked V100s and their info wasn't necessarily complete, but those caveats should apply to all the other schools too.
Their NYC placement was not much better, just a few people.
Ciolli from a few years ago, again, had them performing just about as well as Iowa.
So there's a huge disconnect between the claim that top 1/3 at WUSTL get biglaw vs. anything you can find in stats or firm bios. So that's a lot of invisible WUSTL associates hiding out there somewhere.
Now before you go on a big tangent telling me where all those associates are hiding, I am very skeptical about you. You seem like a professional WUSTL shill with seemingly nothing better to do than start threads about WUSTL's great job placement on LSD, TLS, on here...
I mean, the one bright spot about WUSTL placement I can find is it seems to have a lot of cum laude (but not magna or summa) grads in secondary Midwest firms making probably around $90k. So I suppose those are the rest of the top third that get shut out of the 160k firms in Chi/NYC.
It's clear to me that WUSTL guns for top students and will stop at nothing to get them. Maybe you work for them and you know. So why can't you work the same magic to get your students employed? |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:12 PM Author: Fear-inspiring marvelous philosopher-king WUSTL was top 25 in national placement in Ciolli's study. Wustl sends a handful of people to a lot of different cities, so while it doesn't have one big market it does really well in, it at least seems to have a decent name throughout a wide geographic range. NYC and DC placement seems better than the other 19-35 ranked midwestern schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9421109) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:24 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Well, I guess. But those numbers deserve a closer look.
First, WUSTL always has--even back then--attracted mostly people from outside Missouri. And yet Ciolli has the majority (or plurality, I don't remember, either way it was a lot) of WUSTLers staying in the region that includes Missouri (and NOT Chicago), getting biglaw at a rate of about 12%.
Then it sent a smaller portion to the region that includes Chicago, getting biglaw at a rate of about 30%. But those are the ones lucky enough to get out of Missouri! They most certainly had a higher class rank than the much larger number that stayed in Missouri. Iowa sent a smaller number to the Chicago region, but they got biglaw at about 40%. You certainly wouldn't say Iowa is a 40% biglaw school either.
Yes, WUSTL did send more people to NYC or DC than Iowa or Minnesota. But at least half the students at IA/MN/WI are from that state, and WUSTL draws from all over. Also, the biglaw percentages for WUSTL in NYC or DC are comparable to the BU, BC, GW type schools, which send much larger parts of their classes to those regions. WUSTL--->NYC is at least half non-biglaw (doc review?) if you believe Ciolli.
I agree that WUSTL is a decent name, and I'm attracted to that, but I can't think of a major market where it places really well.
It would make LOGICAL sense for Stroock or Cadwalader to prefer a top 1/3 WUSTL student to a top 1/3 Fordham student, because WUSTL students are better, but in reality it doesn't really play out that way. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:36 PM Author: Fear-inspiring marvelous philosopher-king Wustl lags the top 25 east coast schools in major markets in biglaw placement, and probably lags ND too, and UIUC within the top quarter or so of the class. I don't disagree with anything you've said, but that still leaves them around the 25 spot in biglaw placement. You've got the top 18 schools ahead of them, plus BC, BU, GW, Fordham, and ND. WUSTL is probably in the next group with UIUC and Emory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9421186) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:31 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy Dude, why all the hate? You're not even in school yet! And if you have such great placement concerns about WUSTL, why not eliminate them from your competitive set?
At any rate, my goal is to not act as a shill but just to give my [non-scientific] accounts of what I see and hear at WUSTL. In fact, I routinely encourage others to go to T10 over WUSTL's money (see the UVA thread on here). I would have gone to T10 over WUSTL if I had the option.
All I can tell you is that among my circle of friends & acquaintances, most everyone either got their first choice of market (including all of the aforementioned ones) or had no preference in market and are making market salaries. I, of course, do not know everyone.
I do know people who don't have jobs and while I don't know for a fact why that is, I generally think they are poor interviewers, had too narrow a focus on practice groups/locales (wanting/needing to practice in STL is often times a death knell), did not try real hard after not getting anything out of OCI, or a combination of these factors. It is hard to gauge the effect of grades because we do not rank outside of the top 1/3rd and no one really talks about grades. You see people get CALIs and interviews for clerkships but that's about it.
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:42 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi OK, fine, I just see a huge disconnect between statistics and stuff said on message boards by you. That's all.
And I have to consider WUSTL if I don't get the T14.
I would really like to see WUSTL start doing better commensurate with its rising rep. I just can't quite see it yet. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 2:59 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy Well I'll clarify my overarching feelings about WUSTL that I have been trying to communicate on the boards:
1. The vast majority of my friends/acquintances got the jobs they wanted, most in major markets. This may or may not be representative of the student body as a whole as I don't know everyone in my class and there is not a whole lot of talk about such things.
2. There is no mass hysteria around school about people not having jobs or having to settle for working in some place like Dubuque. Again, I don't know everyone and it is just not something people talk about.
3. It is possible to get biglaw outside of the top 1/3rd if you do some legwork. However, jobs will not fall into your lap with that kind of ranking.
4. St. Louis/MO as a whole is -not- the fallback for WUSTL grads. The St. Louis bar looks upon WUSTL grads as carpetbaggers unless you have close ties. The biggest markets for us, in order are Chicago, NYC, and D.C. Now how we place in those markets relative to our competitive set is something I cannot answer.
5. All of this is anecdotal. For better or worse WUSTL is very laid back and there is little talk of grades so it is difficult to correlate grades to anything.
6. If you have the option, I would suggest T10 over WUSTL w/ $$$ for the job security they provide. For T11 - 18, I'd say it was a coin flip depending on your needs/wants. I might also suggest a similarly ranked school if you really want a certain market (e.g., Fordham for NYC).
7. I have no vested interest/do not care if someone attends WUSTL or not. I'm just trying to offer my experiences so that people can make an educated decision. There are things that are not great here relatively to other schools but all in all I have enjoyed my time here. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:46 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy Here's a weird thing I just noticed.
I was under the impression that the law school did not give latin honors. It was not listed on the website the last time I was curious about this and I never saw anyone's bios with them. Now I see them on the website: http://law.wustl.edu/registrar/index.asp?id=2550.
The most recent copy of the BCG guide does not have them listed and that's just a copy and paste from the same website. http://bcgsearch.com/pdf/BCG_Law_Schoool_Guide_2007.pdf
Not sure what is going on with that and will have to do some research.
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:09 PM Author: obsidian trip office "I grew up in Minnesota and if I had a choice of any city, it would probably be Minneapolis."
medieval serfdom is over buddy. you're not tied to the land anymore. you don't have to live your entire life within a 20 mile radius.
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:25 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Enjoy being an east coast douche, I guess. I happen to like Minneapolis and I'm not alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9421159) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 1:37 PM Author: obsidian trip office wow you and mary richards!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9421190) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 4:09 PM Author: insecure hell voyeur Any explanation for the low GPA? I'm a massive splitter, but managed to get above the 3.0 deathblow area after realizing how much of a difference it would make.
Anyway, before I got my LSAT score and realized I had a legitimate shot at T14, I looked into where I would like to go with my projected LSAT score (high 167-170). I was almost certain that GW was by far the best bet, followed by Fordham and ND. Luckily, I scored much higher. Still, I don't think any of these schools are killself worthy. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 4:01 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle whorehouse It kind of sucks to move all over the fuckin country. I'm tired of it. It's nice to have a place where you live and all your friends live too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9421884) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 7:32 PM Author: alcoholic supple space jap When you look at WUSTL3L's replies, you should take into account that he/she was in a very good clerkship year. I think the 2007 summer class was one of the biggest in recent memory. Even with that, WUSTL3L said that biglaw is tough for people outside the top 1/3.
I can tell you that WUSTL in a bad economy can be tough. There where people in the top 1/3 without jobs, let alone the bottom two-thirds. Plenty of law review people were also unemployed. This isn't to scary you, but be mindful that jobs do dry up in a bad economy and you'll have to repay back your loans regardless. Maybe things will be good when you'll interview for a 2L clerkship. WUSTL is not quite national, but probably more so than when I went through. As I said before, you are going to compete against some very tough competition for a top 1/3 spot. A lot of assiduous east coast kids. My guess is W&L is little more laid back and it's easier to be a top student.
I'm originally from MN too. The MN job market is horrendous. We can talk about that if you'd like. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 7:48 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Please do. I went to college in Wisconsin, and I've heard the Milwaukee job market is actually worse.
I am afraid the economy will be really bad when I'm a 2L, if I enter this fall. Maybe waiting a year would help? Who knows.
I'm also afraid it may be harder now than ever to get to the top of any good law school. Just like people are studying more and more for the LSAT, driving up scores, every year people find more accurate information about LS and how to prepare/perform. And the people at the top of any good school are going to have good skills.
Also, there isn't much of a gap between the quality of T14 students and those who just missed T14. If you get a 168 on the LSAT, you might get shut out of the T14 but you are still going to be a tough competitor in LS. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 7:54 PM Author: walnut disgusting messiness location maybe there isn't a gap, but there is a gap in perception.
The difference between Penn and NYU and harvard is 3 LSAT questions. However the difference between them at oci is huge, especially in secondary markets. The Harvard guy basically always wins. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:10 PM Author: alcoholic supple space jap This post might even get longer if there's another spat like up above.
MPLS is beyond oversaturate. First, there are the four law schools dumping students in the market, U of M is the best, but only top 20-25 are competitive for market. The worst offender is this TTT called Billy Mitchell, basically a diploma mill that puts out hundreds and hundreds of lawyers a year. Even worse, there is little to no turnover in MPLS. A lot of people want to move there. MPLS law firms generally don't leverage, though there's some attrition.
If I were you, I would cast as wide as net as possible to get a job. You can always lateral to MPLS if you don't end up getting a clerkship. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:22 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi That's what I'm thinking. I'm willing to not live in Minneapolis.
Minneapolis and Milwaukee firms seem to have almost as many William Mitchell or Marquette grads as UMN/Wisconsin grads. I have no idea why it works that way. I know a guy who goes to Mitchell and he seems borderline retarded.
How did people fare getting government jobs out of WUSTL when you were there? Did it seem to funnel people to the local PD/DA/AG offices with any regularity? Combine the down economy with the new loan repayment law and there will be a mad scramble for govt jobs, so I'd prefer a school with deep local govt ties. You would think the state schools would have an advantage there. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:37 PM Author: alcoholic supple space jap Can't say totally for sure. I had one friend who clerked for the Montana supreme court and another for DC district court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423218) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:54 PM Author: soul-stirring stage juggernaut
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:02 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy FWIW, and at the risk of being labeled a WUSTL troll, we had two SA's at Foley in Milwaukee this summer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423362) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:03 PM Author: walnut disgusting messiness location out of how many SAs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423370) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:12 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy According to NALP they expected to hire 29. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423409) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:13 PM Author: walnut disgusting messiness location How many t14s were there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423414) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:14 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy No idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423420) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:18 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Were they top of class/law review types?
About that, someone told me your law review is huge and not really limited to the top students. Is this true? |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:20 PM Author: Disrespectful mildly autistic yarmulke rigor I drank heavily 979 nights out of 991 while at WUSTL and got better offers than this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423444) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:41 PM Author: insanely creepy therapy Again, hard to gauge class rank but my best guess is top 15 - 25%. Not rockstars but not slouches either.
Yes, the law review takes a lot of write ons. I don't know the exact number or how it relates to other schools, though. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 7:56 PM Author: sickened excitant parlour why are there so many replies to this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9422970) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:02 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi Apparently XOXO is more TTT than anyone thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9422998) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:04 PM Author: sickened excitant parlour cool bro, I'm glad you're getting so much help. it's good for business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423016) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:16 PM Author: walnut disgusting messiness location It's because there was a guy flaming about how washington and lee top 20% get cravath and shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423078) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:19 PM Author: sickened excitant parlour oh word? is there anyone from W&L ever gotten Cravath? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423093) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 8:23 PM Author: exciting claret set fanboi No. Hence the yelling and such. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423114) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2008 9:09 PM Author: cerebral shimmering step-uncle's house mad cow disease *DOES THE WUSTL* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776783&forum_id=2#9423399) |