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Biglaw Associates: How much are you paying in rent?

Post how much and what city.
zippy pink address
  04/06/08
i've got a space in my basement for you for free. intereste...
odious domesticated theater volcanic crater
  04/06/08
I'm a dude.
zippy pink address
  04/06/08
and what a dude! *stares at your crotch*
odious domesticated theater volcanic crater
  04/06/08
I live in a big city and pay $2400 for a 2br. Have a roommat...
Appetizing Location Goyim
  04/06/08
move into gross old man's basement?
odious domesticated theater volcanic crater
  04/06/08
No.
Appetizing Location Goyim
  04/06/08
you pay for his rent?...i don't imagine you are paying 4800/...
Bat-shit-crazy cordovan school
  04/06/08
How many brothers do you have in the gay sense?
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
I'm looking at places $2000-$2300, LA, first year biglaw ass...
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
debt?
Trip Obsidian Crackhouse Alpha
  04/06/08
A lot, but I'll be making $200k+.
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
I don't know the LA rental market. Does that much money get...
Citrine razzle temple
  04/06/08
Yeah, I'm looking mostly in the west side which is more expe...
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
3L, but my lease runs through my 1st year of work, 4k/month
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
wtf? Where do you live?
Citrine razzle temple
  04/06/08
NY
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
WTF? How can you afford to pay that as a law student?
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
I think he's the guy who pretends to be from money so he can...
Citrine razzle temple
  04/06/08
1. I don't pretend, 2. I don't call you poors (unless it is ...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
This is in NYC?
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
Where else would you get raped like that on rent?
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
How many bedrooms is your place? You could get a roommate i...
Citrine razzle temple
  04/06/08
I don't want a roomate, i'm not worried about my rent, I wou...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
Good, because you couldn't afford it on a 160K job. Have fu...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
Explain? With bonus you end up with 200k ish. Afer taxes you...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
Bonuses will not be 40K unless you are at one of the top fir...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
Check your bitterness for a second, I will be bringing home ...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
You just made his argument for him. Over half of his take h...
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
See my post below about all other expenses. You aren't clos...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
Firm covers
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
No it FUCKING doesn't. STFU.
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
Your firm doesn't offer health insurance? ROFL!
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
Have you ever had a real job in your life? They offer healt...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
No, I haven't.
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
You can afford it on a 160k job. You can technically afford...
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
You absolutely can not. Please check taxes and other payche...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
Not contributing to my 401k
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
That's logical.
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
For my situation it is, again, try and get over your bittern...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
ROFL! so your parents pay $4K/month for a tiny apartment in ...
aromatic frum lodge gunner
  04/06/08
Dude, you claimed you were going to pwn us all by going plac...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
It could be.
Trip Obsidian Crackhouse Alpha
  04/06/08
I'm just saying it's technically possible. Of course it's n...
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
Check this out. Salary Paycheck Calculator Your Pay Che...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
Care to re-calculate for 200k, or are you going to continue ...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
Clearly you are flame, but 160K is much more believable flam...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
Are you retarded, you think earning 200k in NYC is flame? So...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
200K in NYC is very possible. Actually $360K is possible at...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
Sorry about your jealousy
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
No one can argue with you. The fact that millions of people...
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
10K wouldn't even pay for bare necessity groceries. Come on...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
1. It isn't a "claim" when it is backed up with ha...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
Actually I suspect you will be putting on acne cream and pre...
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
I'm sorry your life is so miserable that you have to get out...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
I think you have a distorted sense of poor and middle class ...
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
credited many NYers get by on 50K gross, so why the fuck ...
chest-beating passionate school cafeteria
  04/06/08
Normally, I am the one being called a douche, and I am on yo...
Cracking depressive boltzmann
  04/06/08
I'm moving in with my bf and we haven't yet agreed what I'll...
Citrine razzle temple
  04/06/08
Gross.
sickened ticket booth
  04/06/08
lol
Excitant Factory Reset Button
  04/06/08
How much is his house worth and what does he do for a living...
Cream Stage Cuckoldry
  04/06/08
Less than 10% of my take home pay.
blue chapel electric furnace
  04/06/08
"Reality, sorry fags" is an annoying poster.
Contagious bronze gay wizard kitty cat
  04/06/08
Bump. Some actual responses please.
demanding foreskin hairy legs
  04/07/08





Date: April 6th, 2008 3:13 AM
Author: zippy pink address

Post how much and what city.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9585217)





Date: April 6th, 2008 3:18 AM
Author: odious domesticated theater volcanic crater

i've got a space in my basement for you for free. interested baby?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9585228)





Date: April 6th, 2008 3:21 AM
Author: zippy pink address

I'm a dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9585240)





Date: April 6th, 2008 3:22 AM
Author: odious domesticated theater volcanic crater

and what a dude! *stares at your crotch*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9585245)





Date: April 6th, 2008 3:27 AM
Author: Appetizing Location Goyim

I live in a big city and pay $2400 for a 2br. Have a roommate who's like a brother to me in the non-ghey sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9585254)





Date: April 6th, 2008 3:28 AM
Author: odious domesticated theater volcanic crater

move into gross old man's basement?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9585256)





Date: April 6th, 2008 3:28 AM
Author: Appetizing Location Goyim

No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9585257)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:03 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy cordovan school

you pay for his rent?...i don't imagine you are paying 4800/month for a 2br

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586944)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:03 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

How many brothers do you have in the gay sense?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586948)





Date: April 6th, 2008 4:53 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

I'm looking at places $2000-$2300, LA, first year biglaw associate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586896)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:00 PM
Author: Trip Obsidian Crackhouse Alpha

debt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586925)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:02 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

A lot, but I'll be making $200k+.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586936)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:08 PM
Author: Citrine razzle temple

I don't know the LA rental market. Does that much money get you a pretty nice place?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586987)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:11 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

Yeah, I'm looking mostly in the west side which is more expensive. But that's where my firm is so my commute will be short.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587004)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:01 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

3L, but my lease runs through my 1st year of work, 4k/month

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586933)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:02 PM
Author: Citrine razzle temple

wtf? Where do you live?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586942)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:04 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

NY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586956)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:03 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

WTF? How can you afford to pay that as a law student?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586945)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:03 PM
Author: Citrine razzle temple

I think he's the guy who pretends to be from money so he can call the rest of us poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586949)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:05 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

1. I don't pretend, 2. I don't call you poors (unless it is some douche like jjc who deserves it).

As for the other guy, yes my parents pay my rent now, but I will be stuck paying it next year, and no I am not looking forward to that large a % of my earnings vanishing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586962)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:07 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

This is in NYC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586970)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:07 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Where else would you get raped like that on rent?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586980)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:07 PM
Author: Citrine razzle temple

How many bedrooms is your place? You could get a roommate if you're worried about your massive rent.

Did your parents pay your entire way through law school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586973)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:09 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

I don't want a roomate, i'm not worried about my rent, I would just prefer to have 100% of my money for fun, then again i'd also prefer not to be stuck working 800 hours a week, but I guess there's not choice. Yes, they've paid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586994)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:07 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

Good, because you couldn't afford it on a 160K job. Have fun moving.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586975)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:08 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Explain? With bonus you end up with 200k ish. Afer taxes you have what 100kish? After rent I have 60k, my parents said they will pay for vacations and I will be working so much that I doubt i'll need more than 60k for food/booze.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586986)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:10 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

Bonuses will not be 40K unless you are at one of the top firms, which clearly you won't be. Over half of your take home pay will go SOLEY to rent. That is sans utilities, transportation, clothing, etc.

Not enough money dood. Sorry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587000)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:12 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Check your bitterness for a second, I will be bringing home 200k+, thanks for your concern though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587012)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:14 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

You just made his argument for him. Over half of his take home pay will go to rent. So you're assuming that utilities, transportation, clothing, etc. will account for half of his take home pay. That's a big assumption, and just not true depending on how he's willing to live. There are people in NY who aren't as well off who get by with $10k/year or less after paying rent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587028)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:21 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

See my post below about all other expenses. You aren't close to thinking about him.

His health coverage alone will be another $3.5K

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587078)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:24 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Firm covers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587095)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:25 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

No it FUCKING doesn't. STFU.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587100)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:29 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Your firm doesn't offer health insurance? ROFL!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587123)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:32 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

Have you ever had a real job in your life? They offer health care which you pay a % of.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587140)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:32 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

No, I haven't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587143)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:09 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

You can afford it on a 160k job. You can technically afford 7k mortgage payments on a 160k job. We're not even including bonuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586990)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:11 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

You absolutely can not. Please check taxes and other paycheck deductions such as HEALTH CARE, 401k, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587008)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:13 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Not contributing to my 401k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587016)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:13 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

That's logical.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587022)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:14 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

For my situation it is, again, try and get over your bitterness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587031)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:25 PM
Author: aromatic frum lodge gunner

ROFL! so your parents pay $4K/month for a tiny apartment in a TTT building? this is fucking hilarious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587101)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:30 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Dude, you claimed you were going to pwn us all by going places I told you about. FACT: You couldn't get in anywhere and resorted to toilet bars frequented by ugly NYU UG's and tourists, PWNED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587131)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:16 PM
Author: Trip Obsidian Crackhouse Alpha

It could be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587042)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:16 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

I'm just saying it's technically possible. Of course it's not wise. Let's say the guy devotes 80% of his takehome pay to rent. I'm saying you can get by the rest 20%. Far, far more New Yorkers get by on far, far less.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587045)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:20 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

Check this out.

Salary Paycheck Calculator

Your Pay Check Results

Weekly Gross Pay

$3,076.92

Federal Withholding

$735.23

Social Security

$190.77

Medicare

$44.62

New York

$208.20

NY SDI

$0.60

Net Pay

$1,897.50

Calculation Based On

Tax Year

2008

Gross Pay

$160,000.00

Pay Frequency

Weekly

Federal Filing Status

Single

# of Federal Exemptions

0

Additional Federal W/H

$0.00

State

New York

Filing status

Single

Allowances

0

Additional State W/H

$0.00

NY SDI

Yes

NYC Allowances

0

That equals 98K in take home pay a year.

He is then blowing 48K on rent alone.

That leaves him 50K to pay all his other expenses. It doesn't even havehis health coverage yet. Think about all his other expenses:

IRA and 401(k) $ %

Groceries $ %

Gas/Electric/Water $ %

Telephone $ %

Eating Out $ %

Clothes $ %

Student Loan Payment/Tuition $ %

Auto Expenses

(payments, garage, gas) $ %

Bus/Subway/Taxi $ %

Health Insurance $ %

Renter's Insurance $ %

Child Care $ %

Auto Insurance $ %

Disability Insurance $ %

Life Insurance $ %

Home Expenses $ %

Laundry/Dry Cleaning $ %

Medical & Dental (not covered by insurance) $ %

Bank Fees $ %

Credit Card Interest Payments & Finance Charges $ %

Hobbies $ %

Nightlife $ %

Movies/Theater/Cable TV $ %

Internet Access Fee $ %

Computer Software/CDs/Cassettes $ %

Gifts $ %

Vacation $ %

Magazines/Newspapers/Books $ %

Personal Care $ %

Health Club/Recreation Fees $ %

Membership Dues/Charitable Contributions $ %

Pets/Pet Care $ %

Miscellaneous



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587067)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:22 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Care to re-calculate for 200k, or are you going to continue pretending 160k is the total.

Even with your 160k #, what is unreasonable about 50k/year afer taxes and rent? I already said famly will pay for all vacations, so whatever # of week I manage to take, those are essentially free. I already have like 12 suits and 80+ dress shirts, I don't imagine i'll be spending that much on clothes. This leaves food/booze and club memberships. I am assuming work will preclude me from having a ton of time for nice dinner and nights out. Not to mention, it's not like my family is going to let me get evicted if I run out of $

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587083)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:23 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

Clearly you are flame, but 160K is much more believable flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587087)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:25 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Are you retarded, you think earning 200k in NYC is flame? Sorry about your Fordham degree bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587098)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:28 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

200K in NYC is very possible. Actually $360K is possible at certain firms, just not your firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587110)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:31 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Sorry about your jealousy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587134)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:26 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

No one can argue with you. The fact that millions of people in New York get by on 10-20k after paying rent, doesn't prove that IT'S POSSIBLE for someone to get by on 50k?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587102)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:29 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

10K wouldn't even pay for bare necessity groceries. Come on.

Besides, this douche claims to spend 10K a month on partying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587124)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:31 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

1. It isn't a "claim" when it is backed up with hard evidence, 2. I don't think i'll be going out 3-5 nights a week when i'm working next year, do you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587137)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:33 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

Actually I suspect you will be putting on acne cream and preparing for your first year at Boise State.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587147)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:34 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

I'm sorry your life is so miserable that you have to get out your aggression by being bitter towards me. Things will pick up one day!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587149)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:37 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

I think you have a distorted sense of poor and middle class families. For them 10k is more than enough to get by.

I can't care about this douche. I just think that in general, it is POSSIBLE to live in New York on 50k after rent. Get real.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587162)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:37 PM
Author: chest-beating passionate school cafeteria

credited

many NYers get by on 50K gross, so why the fuck would $50K after taxes and rent be too little? $4000 a month is more than enough to pay for food, clothes, insurance, and taxis.

Before law school, I took in $4,000 a month after taxes, insurance, and 401K. For $4,000 a month take home I paid for an apt in NYC (with a roommate) and paid for all my incidentals, and even managed to save for some vacations and law school. Trust me, once you are working, you won't know how to spend all your money because you spend all your time either at the office or sleeping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587166)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:39 PM
Author: Cracking depressive boltzmann

Normally, I am the one being called a douche, and I am on your side here. Mr. ---'s is just being a bitter faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587175)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:04 PM
Author: Citrine razzle temple

I'm moving in with my bf and we haven't yet agreed what I'll be paying in rent. He owns his place so I'll probably pay some percentage of his mortgage payment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586955)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:08 PM
Author: sickened ticket booth

Gross.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586988)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:19 PM
Author: Excitant Factory Reset Button

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9587064)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:09 PM
Author: Cream Stage Cuckoldry

How much is his house worth and what does he do for a living?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=794995&forum_id=2#9586995)





Date: April 6th, 2008 5:18 PM
Author: blue chapel electric furnace

Less than 10% of my take home pay.

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Date: April 6th, 2008 5:41 PM
Author: Contagious bronze gay wizard kitty cat

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Date: April 7th, 2008 12:14 AM
Author: demanding foreskin hairy legs

Bump. Some actual responses please.

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