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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:49 AM Author: Geriatric Area I figure that compiling everything in one thread might help. Post here, I and the other current/former clerks will help out best we can, as realistically as possible.
RULES -If you include GPA, make sure you include estimated % or rank. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:39 AM Author: Cerebral out-of-control indian lodge famous landscape painting ed board on secondary journal median at T20 (this semester I might do well enough to graduate cum laude) multiple very excellent recs MJ clerkship in major city published article (not note)
What are my chances of getting a district next year and being able to climb to a COA eventually? |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:43 AM Author: Geriatric Area By "clerkship" to you mean "externship"? Or you mean, at graduation, you'll be clerking for an MJ? You might, might, get to a DCt clerkship. But median at T20 is going to make it about impossible to break into COA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347344) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:48 AM Author: Cerebral out-of-control indian lodge famous landscape painting At graduation I'll be clerking for MJ.
I also have professors willing to make calls for me.
Would MJ and then dist. the next year open the COA doors up a bit? Assume I don't give a fuck which judge in which circuit.
Summer work was all government work at the federal and state level.
According to someone I know who ran some math shit on the clerkship data, a year of work before clerking is like a .5 boost in GPA. No idea how true that holds. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:52 AM Author: Geriatric Area Maybe. The experience factor is nice for COA apps, but those grades are just killer. Really try to get a great LOR from your MJ, or DCt if the timing works out when applying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347409) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:56 AM Author: excitant base Just depends whether your MJ has good connections and is respected by Dist Ct judges--if so, and he goes to bat for you, his rec will carry a lot of weight.
The same would be true for any dist ct judge you got, although it would be pretty miraculous if you got COA with your school/grades combo. Still, personal connections go a long way. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:54 PM Author: Cerebral out-of-control indian lodge famous landscape painting Thank you to both of you. You've confirmed what I thought would be the case were I to try to get COA eventually.
One of my recommenders told me getting COA was definitely doable after a MJ and dist., and he's got a lot of pull and is a rather prestigious professor (SCOTUS clerkship, lots of national connections, prolific publisher, etc.). So I'm hoping that he's willing to go to bad for me in a little over a year for COA purposes. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:30 PM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university It's possible---I've met people who have moved from MJ to COA---but I wouldn't count on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348624) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:49 PM Author: Cerebral out-of-control indian lodge famous landscape painting Thanks. I definitely realize it's a very hard thing to do. But I've (hopefully; I don't want to presume anything yet) got a few faculty members who are very much behind me in my grand experiment, I've got at least a modicum of personability, and a MJ who is very well-liked across this state.
You've all made me feel like I actually know what's going on with this clerkship process. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 3:02 PM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university COA judges sometimes take note of opinions from good magistrate judges. So that factor, plus your SCOTUS recommender, probably would give you a better chance than usual (although I still think it's slim).
On the other hand, by the time you finish clerking for a MJ + district court judge, you'll likely have gained all the knowledge you'll need from clerkships. So a COA clerkship would not add much; and thus there isn't much of a risk in embarking on this trajectory. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 3:03 PM Author: Geriatric Area This is also true. But, conversely, they know which magistrate judges they dislike, too. Attempting to go to a COA in your magistrate judge's district can be risky for that reason. My judge could easily pick out the good and the bad judges and magistrate judges, from her perspective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348896) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 3:04 PM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Touche. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348901) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 4:04 PM Author: Cerebral out-of-control indian lodge famous landscape painting My MJ is definitely well-respected by everyone in the area. Well-liked and professionally respected. Apparently politically connected as well, although I didn't know that at first.
I'll work my SCOTUS recommender. I consider the prof. close personally and academically. Multiple classes, multiple lunches we've shared, and he's been effusive in his compliments toward me and how my grades are absolutely not reflective of my potential.
Now I completely recognize that many judges and clerks are likely to say "median at T20? Trash." without even looking at anything else. I suppose this is where the phone calls come in?
Now, at my university, there is very little GPA difference between median and the top 1/3 dividing line. It's entirely possible my last semester will be better and I'll jump up to cum laude and top 1/3. Would this improve my chances? Or will it make very little difference in the context of my other factors?
Thanks. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 4:14 PM Author: Cerebral out-of-control indian lodge famous landscape painting Thanks. I'm concerned about getting a COA because I'd like to shorten my time before I can do BIGLAW appellate work. I figured a COA would help me skip "putting in my dues" before moving from litig. to appellate.
My understanding is that in BIGLAW you usually don't get put in an appellate section right away. I wanted to hasten that "appointment."
If I don't get COA it's not the end of the world. But I'm hoping I can get into BIGLAW with the MJ and dist. clerkships. I've been hearing all the shit about COA clerks getting offers rescinded, and I am worried about that happening to me a couple years from now.
Hopefully the economy is doing moderately well by then. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:14 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Misanthropic Kitchen moved to bottom of thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348499) |
Date: April 6th, 2009 10:52 AM Author: Geriatric Area 2L at Brooklyn/Cardozo/St. John's. Top 10%, possibly top 5% with a little gunning (3.7+ currently), LR with note selected for publication, but no e-board. Decent but not great LORs.
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=969211&mc=2&forum_id=2 |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:21 AM Author: excitant base fair chance at nearby district courts if you can get your school to push you as a top candidate (unless you go to st. john's). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347138) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:46 PM Author: Cyan spot By nearby, I assume you mean like EDNY? I'll probably apply to some SDNY also, but I'm not particularly hopeful about my chances there. What are your thoughts on various New England district courts? I would love to go like D. Mass, D. Maine, etc. Or state supreme courts in those states. I have regional ties there also. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:35 PM Author: excitant base Nearby meant EDNY and perhaps NJ. You will need a lot of help to get SDNY--only bother with judges you know will get calls on your behalf.
Depending on the judge, some of the New England courts are highly competitive. Worth a try, but definitely talk to EVERYONE at your school.
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:52 AM Author: Geriatric Area 3.5 HLS (median); no law review; minimal journal: Clerkship? http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=969200&mc=2&forum_id=2 |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:22 AM Author: excitant base Decent district court if you have strong recs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347141) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Upperbound, good district court; lowerbound, random district court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347354) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: stirring stage trust fund FAR upperbound; assumes connections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347541) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 9:57 AM Author: Flesh box office filthpig any better odds if applying later with WE?
what else to do besides working on recs? |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:52 AM Author: Geriatric Area 1L @ T20: top 1% (over 4.0)
HYS Transfer: first semester 2L - HHHP; second semester 2L - probably lower (burnout is startin to set in).
HYS Law Review http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=969147&mc=6&forum_id=2 |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:22 AM Author: excitant base feeder, obviously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347143) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:30 AM Author: stimulating space how many Ps are acceptable and the candidate is still able to secure a feeder clerkship? it can't be that every HYS clerk for koz, garland, boudin, kavanaugh, wilkinson, etc. has straight Hs, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347214) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:31 AM Author: Geriatric Area Right, but the difference is more that Akil Amar is going to pick up the phone and say, "Hire this students." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347219) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: stimulating space ok, so in your opinion (which seems to be pretty well-informed) at what point is that not enough, and at what point is that not necessary? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347228) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:35 AM Author: Geriatric Area It's so judge-specific. But if you have Akil Amar actually phoning from you, the Ps are irrelevant. He's not going to call if you have "too many" Ps, whatever that is in his book. (Just using him as an example, this can apply to any prof, of course.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347267) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:00 PM Author: thriller pea-brained roommate IIRC, David Lat had 2 Ps at YLS, clerked for O'Scannlain, and got 2 SCOTUS interviews. But that was 10 years ago... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347456) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:12 PM Author: stimulating space wow, 2... what's the H/P breakdown there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347513) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 11:40 PM Author: Comical at-the-ready native 40/60 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12812840) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 6:10 PM Author: Blathering buff fortuitous meteor bawdyhouse Congrats! You've outed yourself.
(good luck with clerkship apps, though) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:53 AM Author: Geriatric Area g-town, 3.4 http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=968665&mc=39&forum_id=2#11340604 |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:22 AM Author: excitant base doesn't look good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347145) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:53 AM Author: Geriatric Area 3.5 SLS with no law review http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=968665&mc=39&forum_id=2#11345035 http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=969038&mc=7&forum_id=2 |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: excitant base Any journal? What rank? Decent district court in nearby area if you have strong recs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347158) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:43 AM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Upperbound, random COA; lowerbound, good district court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347351) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:21 PM Author: excitant base Seems optimistic, but I guess it depends on your definition of "good." I would think the lower limit would be a random district court in Cali, in someplace like Sacramento. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347575) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:24 PM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Yeah, by "good" I don't mean SDNY. I would consider some random district court in Sacramento to be "good." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348578) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:54 AM Author: Geriatric Area Top 10. 3.4 GPA first year, 3.8 last semester (no idea what % that translates too, maybe top 1/3?). Secondary Journal (not exec board). Probably average recs.
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=968536&mc=15&forum_id=2 |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:25 AM Author: excitant base Your last semester can't make up for unimpressive 1L grades. Work on getting better recs, or you could easily be shut out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347167) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:57 AM Author: fuchsia den MVP, 3.8, also am looking at district courts and state courts, great LORs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11346999) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:57 AM Author: Geriatric Area What % rank? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347003) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:01 AM Author: fuchsia den unknown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347023) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:02 AM Author: Geriatric Area Come on, you must have an estimate. LR? Secondary journal? Schools that don't rank still have "known" estimates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347026) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:04 AM Author: fuchsia den best guess, upper 25% or so
no journal, but I think I will be published before graduation |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:06 AM Author: Geriatric Area for DCts and state courts, probably a good shot. Really work on the local connections. Keep up strong communication with your LORs over the next couple of months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347050) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: excitant base TITCR. You're an average candidate on paper, so you will need profs to call for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347180) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:31 AM Author: fuchsia den I've got that covered. What should I take in the Fall? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347216) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:35 AM Author: excitant base Some combination of the following:
1. Classes you can ace. 2. Classes with profs who can help you get a clerkship. 3. Classes that are considered "core" for litigation (evidence, some type of procedure--crim pro, adv civ pro, conflicts, etc), but you can still ace. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:38 AM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Upperbound: EDPA; lowerbound, district court in bumblefuck county. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347310) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:23 AM Author: aphrodisiac navy hall GULC 3L (so able to apply off hiring plan). Definitely top 5 percent, possibly higher. secondary journal ed board. Strong recs. No remarkable work experience. Willing to go anywhere to clerk. Local ties to California. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347150) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: Geriatric Area Good shot, I'd say. Shoot for COA, definitely, with a California focus. Keep the recs in the loop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347176) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:30 AM Author: excitant base Will you be magna?
D.C. COA might be a reach, but if you have profs willing to call for you give it a shot. Try for Ninth Circuit, of course, although the lack of LR hurts a bit.
See where profs you know have connections--if a prof used to teach at UT, for example, see who he knows in Texas. If he clerked for a COA judge in Texas, even better. This should get you COA interviews. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: aphrodisiac navy hall Yeah, I didn't take the write-on competition seriously enough (lesson to current 1L's). This really limits my options, I realize.
Magna is top 10 percent, so I'll definitely have that. Unfortunately I probably won't get summa - that's for just a few students. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:40 AM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Upperbound, 2nd/9th-type COA; lowerbound, random non-feeder COA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347325) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:40 AM Author: aphrodisiac navy hall If I had LR, would feeder be possible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347330) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:43 AM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Maybe, but at that level it depends on where you are in the top 5%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347347) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:28 AM Author: irradiated disrespectful plaza Upper 2nd quartile, one publication, no journal, interested in MN/IL/WI state and federal court (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347196) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:31 AM Author: Mind-boggling crimson site how are you not on a journal there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347220) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:34 AM Author: irradiated disrespectful plaza because I'm a retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347250) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Mind-boggling crimson site aren't you basically required to be on one? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347281) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:38 AM Author: irradiated disrespectful plaza We are required to do journal or moot court. The retards all get thrown on moot court (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347306) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: Geriatric Area ~30% at MN? Yeah, focus on upper midwest state courts. Federal MN is probably out of reach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347226) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:34 AM Author: irradiated disrespectful plaza How about Wisconsin, or Iowa? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347255) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Geriatric Area Probably worse. Obviously, MN dominates MN, that's why I said probably out of reach for federal there. Definitely not a chance at IA or WI feds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347280) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: excitant base Why no journal? How are your recs?
You're limited to Minn at this point, unless you're BFF with a prof who can pull strings for you. Fed would be a reach, but no harm in trying, especially if you have the recs. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:35 AM Author: irradiated disrespectful plaza Not even district courts? My recs might be good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347269) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:24 PM Author: excitant base I agree with Eeyore below. Maybe with a prof giving you a glowing rec AND calling the judge to tell him that you're better than you appear on paper. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347608) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:42 AM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Upperbound, state supreme court / fed district court (assuming prof makes call); lowerbound, fed mag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347339) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:26 PM Author: excitant base TITCR except that lowerbound is nothing / state court of appeals / state trial.
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:33 AM Author: Odious hyperventilating corn cake ticket booth CCN, top 1/3, top 10% so far 2L, secondary journal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347240) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:34 AM Author: Geriatric Area For clerkship purposes, Chicago is a world away from NYU. Probably pretty good at Chicago for DCt, might be a reach for COA without some help from a prof. At NYU, COA is basically out of reach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347252) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:35 AM Author: Odious hyperventilating corn cake ticket booth how d. ct from nyu? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347268) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Geriatric Area Not bad. Keep those grades up. Secure good LORs, spend some energy this month working up the profs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347289) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:45 AM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Assuming you can bump your rank up to top 15% or so:
Upperbound: random COA; lowerbound, district court. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:45 AM Author: galvanic arrogant multi-billionaire piazza DCNG 3.4 (top 40%?), LR, published, strong connection to tertiary market w/ dist court (lived there all my non-school life, interned with a fed judge there 1L summer, parents are lawyers) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347356) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:48 AM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Upperbound, a good district court (good chances at your local district court); lowerbound, district court in bumblefuck county. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347375) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:28 PM Author: excitant base Lowerbound for this applicant is nothing. His grades are not good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347631) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:16 PM Author: galvanic arrogant multi-billionaire piazza :'( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348007) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:02 PM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Well, the lowerbound for any applicant is technically nothing. But realistically, I don't think he's going to do that badly. He has LR + publication, plus OK grades (barely top-third). That should be enough to get a district court clerkship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348386) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:51 AM Author: Geriatric Area Tough--bad grades but LR. Focus on that tertiary market, but I'm not sure you'd have a shot at many DCts outside of that. COA is basically off the table. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347404) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:00 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Dilemma CLS 2L. Around top 25%, grades much better second year. LR ad board, unpublished. Want to clerk in NYC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347453) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:01 PM Author: Geriatric Area I'd say the ultimate borderline candidate (for an NYC clerkship). Grades just aren't there, but you're at CLS, and on ad board on LR. Going to be tough. Bring those grades up a bit. Really, really work the profs for your LORs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347459) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:07 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Dilemma Any better shot at SDNY in White Plains? DNJ Newark? D-CT in New Haven? EDPA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347483) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:33 PM Author: excitant base SDNY in White Plains? No.
DNJ Newark? Yes, and great shot at other NJ courts as well.
D-CT in New Haven? Probably not, although all of D-CT is a bit quirky. Go beyond New Haven.
EDPA? Yes, although there is something of an anti-Columbia bias in this dist.
As others have mentioned, you are the type of applicant who really needs help from your recommenders to get noticed. You're almost there, but you need a bump. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:11 PM Author: abusive deep church Top 15 % at T20. Published Twice. Clerked for DsCt Judge last year. Editor on secondary journal.
Any chance of COA? |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:12 PM Author: Geriatric Area Decent. Focus on COA judges that have hired from your school before, or graduated LS there. Get a good DCt LOR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347512) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:30 PM Author: excitant base Aren't Dist ct judges supposed to avoid written recs? I thought they just called. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347638) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:13 PM Author: Violet trailer park patrolman ccn, top 10%, LR ed board, published. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347519) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:14 PM Author: Geriatric Area COA. Just don't drool on yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347528) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:35 PM Author: Violet trailer park patrolman 2nd/9th? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347670) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:45 PM Author: Geriatric Area Unlikely. You'll need a big phone call if you're only top 10%. 9th is mostly out of the question anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347736) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:57 PM Author: excitant base disagree--you'll get a couple interviews (i know people with worse who did). i have a friend clerking in the ninth who is far less prestigious and, as far as he knows, never had a prof call. judge just liked something on his resume.
of course, phone calls never hurt. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:03 PM Author: Violet trailer park patrolman so if i decided i want a district court clerkship, should i feel pretty confident? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347881) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:17 PM Author: stirring stage trust fund You folks need to stop giving such optimistic advice. The clerkship market is brutal, and many (if not most) go to students whose recommenders have connections and make phonecalls on their behalf. Even at the T14, top 20% is not good enough for a good district court without connections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347548) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:19 PM Author: Geriatric Area Where has there been any advice saying that 20% at T14 without connections is good enough for DCt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347565) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:35 PM Author: stirring stage trust fund Date: April 6th, 2009 10:52 AM Author: $ikea
3.5 HLS (median); no law review; minimal journal: Clerkship?
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=969200&mc=2&forum_id=2
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11346984)
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:22 AM Author: clerkster
Decent district court if you have strong recs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347141)
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: THE EEYORE CONSPIRACY (submarinecaptain@gmail.com)
Upperbound, good district court; lowerbound, random district court.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347354)
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:13 PM Author: Geriatric Area What part of "if you have strong recs" did you miss?
People at HLS median get COA clerkships all the time (if they're conservatives). I don't get makes DCt so inconceivable, especially with a "strong recs" remark. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:10 PM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university That's not what I've seen. But I leave the balancing of advice to the applicant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348463) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:37 PM Author: Frisky stage crotch CCN 1L: median, 2L: 3.5 (top 25-30%?). Secondary journal board position. Good recs. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:40 PM Author: excitant base If NYU or Columbia, you're in trouble because you can't get SD or EDNY with those grades. Do you have a connection to a different market? If not, talk to your profs and find someone who does.
Chicago might give you some more options just outside the city in IL, IN, or WI. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:47 PM Author: vigorous property psychic would you recommend to someone to choose chi over columbia for that very reason (clerkship boost)? how strong is it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347747) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:56 PM Author: Geriatric Area It's just so impossible to think this way. Let's say the band if 20% for CLS, 25% for Chicago. Would you actually choose Chicago because of the chance you'd land between the top 20th and 25th rankings in the class? Probably not.
If you want to teach, you want to go to Chicago. But, again, what are the chances you end up in the top, say, 8% of Chicago, over, say, the top 3% of Columbia?
These are just far too abstract points for the long-term. If these, cumulatively, weighed against Columbia, maybe. But you can't just cite X factor like a TLS poster and think, "There it is!" |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:02 PM Author: excitant base no. if choosing between schools of similar quality, attend the one located in the market where you ultimately wish to work. the alumni base will help you for life.
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:53 PM Author: arousing duck-like gaping double fault Assume there is a strong connection to a non-NY market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347801) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:03 PM Author: excitant base Make sure you grease the wheels there, then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347883) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 12:46 PM Author: Geriatric Area Not great, focus on DCts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347738) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:03 PM Author: Racy tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347880) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:05 PM Author: Geriatric Area Should be great. Top 1% is so key. Along with EIC, even if it's secondary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347892) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:07 PM Author: Racy tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347906) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:07 PM Author: Geriatric Area If you tank that badly... that will look pretty rough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347911) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:10 PM Author: Racy tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347932) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:12 PM Author: Geriatric Area Probably not, but it depends on how closely the judges look at your resume. Don't freak too much. Wait until it comes back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347947) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:16 PM Author: Racy tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347992) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:18 PM Author: excitant base Excellent, have that partner call her up now. See if you can come in for a "chat" over the summer. Even if she follows The Plan as an official matter, several judges will bend the rules by talking to you before official interview season begins. Then they'll say something along the lines of "don't take another job without talking to me first." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348039) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:23 PM Author: Racy tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348086) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:07 PM Author: excitant base So.... you're at N? Because there's no such thing as PMVN.
You're sort of a wild card. Why aren't your recs better?
I would think your target is probably non-Chicago dist cts. If you pick up your recs you can look at Chicago as well. I would try for some non-7th cir. midwest COAs where you have connections, but you probably won't get them unless you can improve your recs. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:09 PM Author: Racy tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11347926) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:16 PM Author: excitant base Talk to those profs about how much you want a clerkship, and see what they will do for you.
It's a fine plan to try for dist ct --> COA, but consider also applying to COAs this year so you can do them in reverse order. COAs might respond more positively to certain credentials, like the EIC thing. And, if you start with an appellate clerkship, you should also be able to apply to better dist cts for the following year.
Consider applying to COA judges in places where people don't want to live, like Detroit. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:16 PM Author: thriller pea-brained roommate You don't necessarily need an extremely well known prof. It's better if they know you well and can say a lot more than "booked my class." That said, many judges rely heavily on recommendations from profs they know and trust. Ask your profs if they have any connections to the judges you are interested in (or obversely, get interested in the judges with whom your profs are personally acquainted). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348003) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:17 PM Author: self-absorbed gas station Penn, 3.8ish, decent recs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348011) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:18 PM Author: Geriatric Area Good shot, but Penn doesn't place terribly well, but it dominates the 3d Circuit. Check with your LR board how they've done the last few years. You should be okay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348029) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:20 PM Author: self-absorbed gas station Better shot at COA if Dct first? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348053) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:23 PM Author: excitant base Really? They ranked fifth on LawClerkAddict, although the small class size helps: http://lawclerkaddict2009.blogspot.com/2008/09/percentage-of-clerks-by-school.html
Don't get the big feeders tho.
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:24 PM Author: self-absorbed gas station Yeah -- it seems like I'm presumptively out of the running for feeders. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348094) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:20 PM Author: excitant base What do you want? Definite COA potential; go talk to your recommenders now and see where they will target you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348055) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 1:23 PM Author: self-absorbed gas station If I can swing it, I'd prefer Dct->COA in 1st, 2d or 3d cir. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348076) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:10 PM Author: Cordovan swashbuckling university Improve recs, go to COA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348465) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 2:23 AM Author: Soul-stirring Shrine Associate Penn 3.8 is somewhere in the top 15%, though I can't say exactly where. are you going with a weighted average when calculating GPA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11355478) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 2:56 AM Author: excitant base surely that's top 10%, at least after 2L year? if not there is some serious grade inflation! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11355685) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:15 PM Author: self-absorbed gas station Yes, weighted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11357090) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:12 PM Author: Yapping yellow meetinghouse UVA, top 25%, LR (neither exec board nor published). Currently an associate at a top firm in a secondary market ('08 grad), but will be moving to LA to live with my girlfriend. Will have average recs.
Chances for CDCA, both DCt and MJ? (I have no shame/pride that would prevent my working for a magistrate.) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:18 PM Author: Geriatric Area Both are probably tough. You'll really have to milk some local connections. See what judges out there have taken UVA clerks in the past, or even interviewed. I don't know many CDCA judges are going to bite, though. If you had gone to OMM or Irell or something straight from UVA, that'd be one thing. But it looks more like a guy trying to get out of his job or something. Going to take some legwork to network. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348538) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:21 PM Author: Yapping yellow meetinghouse This is pretty much what I figured. My main focus for finding employment out there is recruiters and firms (since I could move pretty much as soon as I get a job rather than having to wait until 2010); clerkships are a secondary path. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348555) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:18 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Misanthropic Kitchen Top 25% at PVMB managing board on reputable secondary journal solid recs from professors for whom researched
EDNY/NDNY/WDNY/D.Mass? NY CoA? Mass Supreme?
Strong ties to NY/MA, obv. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 2:20 PM Author: Geriatric Area Again, tough. Not great grades. Secondary journal. Looking at a semi-exclusive set of DCts: lots of people want to be in New England. This is a little outside of my comfort zone of discussion, so I'll defer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11348549) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:26 AM Author: excitant base You won't get EDNY or NY CoA. The rest will be stretches for you, so work on getting great recs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11354396) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:31 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Misanthropic Kitchen Not to get too far afield, but what if I were top 10% and LR instead of secondary journal board?
Or, what if I were top 25% at CCN (but all else same as original)? |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 2:55 AM Author: excitant base The first would make a HUGE difference; the second, barely any.
Most chambers receive 500+ applications, so like it or not arbitrary distinctions help narrow down who will be interviewed. Of the chambers I know of, most do some type of sort using grades/journal/school.
For clerkship purposes, only Chicago gets you much further, since MVP all have home markets that don't compete as heavily with those from HY.
There's a big difference between top 10% and top quarter, but even top quarter might work out for you if you were on LR. For better or worse, LR is the single best credential you have in LS. Being on LR also makes your 2L GPA look better, since you managed to achieve those grades with a sometimes massive amount of work coming from non-class work. On workload, secondary journals simply can't compare.
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Date: April 6th, 2009 4:47 PM Author: supple orchestra pit circlehead Fine, i'll bite
True TTT, 2nd in class, EIC, booked 15 classes; Dct clerkship
COA chances? |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 4:57 PM Author: Geriatric Area Maybe okay of the COA judge went to your LS. Better have an LOR of gold. Prof must call on your behalf. Not bad, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11349850) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 5:41 PM Author: pearly chest-beating field Depending on where your law school is located, you might have an excellent chance. I know several T3 COA clerks.
Many non-feeder COA judges hire 1 or 2 clerks from nearby law schools each year. If a judge works in a rural region of the country, the nearest law school will often be a T3. Of course, this is rarely the case on the coasts or near major markets. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:07 PM Author: Umber state You've got a shot. I also attend a true TTT and know at least 2 of my classmates got COA clerkships (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11352525) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 5:16 PM Author: splenetic effete lodge Chicago
No Journal
Top 15-20%
If I can convince a specific prof to call a specific COA judge in a non-2/9/DC Circuit that I'm targeting, chances? If no call, but still good connections to judge/market? |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 5:22 PM Author: Geriatric Area Eh, borderline to poor. No journal is tough. Gap between 15% and 20% can be big. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11350036) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 5:32 PM Author: disturbing heaven NYU. 3.1 1st semester. What if I try REALLY hard the rest of law school??? I'm jk. My COA dreams are shot. Good luck to the rest of you. I should get back to looking for shitlaw firms to summer at next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11350088) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 6:05 PM Author: Slap-happy tan ladyboy T18-22 midwest, Top 15%, secondary journal, no ed board, judicial externship clinic, good recs. I want to get back to west coast eventually, but would take anything that improves chances for possible 3L summer gig. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11350283) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 9:53 PM Author: Geriatric Area WUSTL or MN, a lot harder than Notre Dame. Secondary journal + outside top 10% makes this just about impossible. Maybe, MAYBE DCt if you get the right connections.
"anything that improves chances for possible 3L summer gig." Huh? you want to leverage the clerkship for your bar summer? |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:57 AM Author: excitant base some people do pre-clerk summers. i know at least two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11354691) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 6:15 PM Author: passionate national CCN - top 2%, LR ed board, Note.
2nd? |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 9:54 PM Author: Geriatric Area Good shot at second--better at CLS than NYU. Ensure solid LORs. That's what will gun you ahead of the other exec board gunners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11352370) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:42 PM Author: passionate national Do judges prefer names to good recs? I have a great rec from a former SCOTUS clerk, but he's only been teaching for like 4 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11353024) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:59 AM Author: excitant base go for the great rec; if you are not using a big name prof for a rec, ask him to make a call instead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11354711) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:58 AM Author: excitant base top 2% is awesome--congrats. enjoy your cabranes clerkship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11354701) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 6:44 PM Author: 180 poppy mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11350565) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 9:54 PM Author: Geriatric Area Get grades first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11352372) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:02 PM Author: 180 poppy mood Roughly what rank would be needed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11352464) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:04 PM Author: Geriatric Area Get grades first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11352485) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:07 PM Author: 180 poppy mood Why no speculation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11352529) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:51 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Misanthropic Kitchen Pointless. Like asking for admissions predictions w/out actual LSAT score in hand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11353177) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:45 PM Author: Cerebral out-of-control indian lodge famous landscape painting Top 40%ish at my T20 can get state supreme court in my uni's state. It's sort of a prestigious supreme court, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11353082) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 8:29 PM Author: Federal wrinkle keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11351405) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 9:55 PM Author: Geriatric Area A legit shot, I'd say. Top couple percent with WE. Just make sure you express a real passion for clerking and aren't just looking for a parachute out of your dead-end job. That's what a lot of people are doing these days. Make sure to play up your local connections and what you hope to learn. Don't phrase it as "less-desirable" location; play up how great a place is, why you're connected there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11352383) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:45 PM Author: Federal wrinkle keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11353077) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 1:03 AM Author: excitant base Without publication or journal, you don't really fit the COA profile--you're more of a dist ct clerk.
If it's COA or bust for you, try the Sixth Circuit or similar. |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 9:13 PM Author: house-broken locus Chicago No journal Top 10-15%
Chances at DCt, of DCt->COA on a less competitive circuit? |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 9:56 PM Author: Geriatric Area Lots depends on the DCt in the first place. Decent shot at it, ensure good LORs and focus on the local connection. Leverage depends on DCt, if you get the judge on your side, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11352391) |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 10:49 PM Author: beady-eyed preventive strike Subject: UT - UT - 3.95 (Order of the Coif is 3.81, so I assume top 5% at least) - Law Review (non-ed board) - Note Published in Secondary Journal - Very good recs |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 1:04 AM Author: excitant base welcome to the fifth circuit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11354749) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 8:36 AM Author: Geriatric Area titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11356116) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 1:08 PM Author: beady-eyed preventive strike what about competitive DCts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11357564) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 1:14 AM Author: excitant base Out East? It will be tough; for SDNY/ D.D.C. you will need profs to call their judge buddies. Local COA is easier for a magna at the top school in the state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11365557) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 7:06 AM Author: beady-eyed preventive strike I was thinking more like central district of california (I am from los angeles and went to UG at UCLA) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11366795) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 12:24 PM Author: excitant base That seems doable, although I am not especially familiar with that district.
I got a couple pretty decent dist ct interviews in places that I have NO connection at, so you just never know (fwiw, my gpa is .25 lower but my school is better). |
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Date: April 6th, 2009 11:37 PM Author: Hideous flatulent persian T15-20
Top 1% (over 4.0)
Law Review (no ed board)
Shooting for east coast D. Ct. clerkships. |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 1:05 AM Author: excitant base strong candidate. work on securing good recs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11354765) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 8:36 AM Author: Geriatric Area Very good shot, yeah, just tailor apps well and good LORs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11356117) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 9:29 AM Author: Hideous flatulent persian Chances at DC metro District Courts? (EDVa, DMd, DDC)
Also, will the fact that I'm going to a midlaw (non-vault) firm for 2L summer hurt my chances? Or do judges not care about that? |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 1:03 AM Author: excitant base depends. if they don't recognize the name, they might be taken aback--but i went to a smaller firm and certain clerks mentioned they'd heard good things about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11365465) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 1:59 AM Author: curious legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11355295) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 3:00 AM Author: excitant base your targets seem reasonable, provided those areas aren't ny/d.c./boston. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11355700) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 3:16 AM Author: curious legend Good to know; unfortunately, one of the areas where I have the strongest ties is one you listed. That said, I'm willing to stray from that city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11355801) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: red fighting old irish cottage chapel EDIT: CDG
3.5+ --> Top ~25%
LR, non-board
Strong recs |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 11:38 AM Author: Yapping yellow meetinghouse MCDG? Talk about shameful CDG trolling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11356821) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:04 PM Author: red fighting old irish cottage chapel You're reading too much into it, friend. But fine, CDG. Analysis please. |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 5:02 PM Author: Geriatric Area Not likely at all for COA. Probably good shot at some DCt with connections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11360020) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:15 PM Author: fuchsia den let's say hypothetically that your professor recommender knows and could personally call Posner but you don't feel you're competitive for that dude anyway. would it help to have him call other judges? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11357093) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 5:03 PM Author: Geriatric Area If he knows the other judges, sure. And if the prof thinks you're competitive enough to call Posner, he'll tell you, and you'll apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11360031) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 8:17 PM Author: fuchsia den I don't know how many of them he knows. I'll have to ask about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11361835) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 12:42 PM Author: free-loading provocative jew point Transfer student at T20. In top 5-10%, staffer on secondary journal. Obtained clerkship for fed dist court in big city. Interned for the judge as a 1L. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11357310) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 5:04 PM Author: Geriatric Area No cares about your fucking internship. You need to be top 5% or better and running shit on the secondary journal. Enjoy the DCt clerkship, but it's unlikely to leverage to COA, unless you're at Minnesota -> 8th Circuit or something regional like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11360047) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 1:20 AM Author: excitant base There is some value in the fact he interned for the judge, because in theory the judge knows him well enough to recommend him to a COA judge right now--and if he's looking for COA in 2010, he should be applying before he begins his clerkship.
That said, unless your judge is especially well-respected it will be hard to move up. |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 7:51 PM Author: Dashing sick cuckold incel CCN. Somewhere around the 10th percentile. Secondary journal, ed board but not EIC. Good recs from profs I've worked with one-on-one, but no one is going to call and say "this kid is the best I've seen since...". 2L classes indicate strong interest in transactional law--no evidence, fed courts, etc, but I do have tax, corps, securities, etc.
Thoughts?
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Date: April 7th, 2009 10:59 PM Author: passionate national Chancery Court? Del. Supreme? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11363965) |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 7:58 PM Author: mildly autistic doctorate How about T7-14, top 15%, no journal good recs but no connections Law school -> DCT clerk (fairly prestigious district) -> DOJ shot at 2nd/9th/DC COA? |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 8:50 PM Author: Cerebral out-of-control indian lodge famous landscape painting I had lunch with a prof recently who is a member of the elect, and he confirmed that a rec or phone call from even a MJ you formerly clerked for is a huge advantage when you're trying to get a COA clerkship.
Get that DCT judge to make calls. If he hates you, you're boned. |
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Date: April 7th, 2009 9:17 PM Author: mildly autistic doctorate Unfortunately, the judge has a policy of not making calls. He liked me a lot, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11362617) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 10:06 AM Author: Geriatric Area No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11366955) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 10:07 AM Author: Wonderful metal resort Flame. DOJ Honors will grab someone's attention. Stats are borderline but do not put him out of the running. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11366962) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 10:03 AM Author: Aromatic flickering pit 3.73 1L UCLA/Vanderbilt/Texas. Invite to LR. Transfer to CCN. Average LORs. SDNY, EDNY, SDFL, DDC, SDTX? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11366946) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 10:06 AM Author: Geriatric Area Wait, what's your class rank at CCN? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11366959) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 10:08 AM Author: Aromatic flickering pit Only have three grades from first semester: median. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11366966) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 10:09 AM Author: Wonderful metal resort Chances don't look good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11366972) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 10:10 AM Author: Geriatric Area Not great. Maybe Texas if you talk up your Texas roots, but a lot is depending on your original school and your transfer school. UCLA -> NYU isn't going to be terribly helpful. UT -> Chicago will get you back to Texas. No chance at DDC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11366978) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 10:10 AM Author: adventurous opaque skinny woman sanctuary 3.3 NYU, secondary journal board but not that high up. Decent recs, nothing special.
Have a v10 lined up. Thinking about clerking after 2 years, should I even bother? |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 12:13 PM Author: Geriatric Area Not great. Wait and see, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11367839) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 9:19 AM Author: deranged masturbator uh, i thought experience gives you a good bump. 3.3 is gay though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12798503) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 12:12 PM Author: Trip aquamarine athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11367830) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 12:14 PM Author: Geriatric Area Eh, not "frowned upon." If your publications are your strong point, put them up top. But don't put it up top if it's just a note and some bar article. If that's your #1 accomplishment, put it up top. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11367846) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: Trip aquamarine athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11367852) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 12:21 PM Author: Geriatric Area Depends, give me some more background. If you've got a handful of articles, I would do a separate PUBLICATIONS header, listing the full article and citation. It's hardly any more length to include the vol. no. and page no., and then clerks can go find it. If it's just 1 piece, or 1 piece and some bar journal garbage, probably leaving it under education. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11367899) |
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Date: April 8th, 2009 2:46 PM Author: Trip aquamarine athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#11369356) |
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Date: September 19th, 2009 10:54 AM Author: self-absorbed gas station What did everyone end up with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12784680) |
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Date: September 19th, 2009 11:02 AM Author: electric peach stag film lettuce T10, top 5 percent, secondary journal. COA on 2/7/9/DC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12784706) |
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Date: September 19th, 2009 11:17 AM Author: Violet trailer park patrolman i hope the person above me is lying, or i will cry. i am top 5% ccn, law review, applied very broadly, no COA interviews, several district interviews but no offers. most people i know are having similarly bad outcomes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12784752) |
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Date: September 19th, 2009 11:37 AM Author: electric peach stag film lettuce nope, not lying. i applied pretty broadly as well, though. extra info: way higher than top 5 percent currently, ed. board on journal, multiple publications. i had several people calling chambers for me, too, and acknowledge that i still got lucky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12784810) |
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Date: September 19th, 2009 11:38 AM Author: self-absorbed gas station It has to be flame. I am top 10% at penn, law review, and struck out even in EDPA. [Edit: OK, those stats make more sense.] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12784812) |
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Date: September 19th, 2009 12:47 PM Author: Odious hyperventilating corn cake ticket booth top 15%, T6, secondary journal. landed a d.ct. pretty happy with that considering the carnage this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12785251) |
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Date: September 20th, 2009 10:52 PM Author: Bateful Flushed Principal's Office t20, top 15%, EIC secondary journal, 2 COA interviews, 5 dct interviews. accepted dct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12796637) |
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Date: September 19th, 2009 12:05 PM Author: territorial ape Subject: Rate me, be mean...I won't cry TTT school, top 6%, no journal, but worked at firm during 2nd and 3rd year. Significant past experience in BK law as a paralegal. Rec's from past employers at BK firm.
I only applied to BK judges in fly-over states. Do I have a prayer. |
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Date: September 20th, 2009 10:53 PM Author: Bateful Flushed Principal's Office did you take bk in school? I booked it (see my stats above) and I didn't get bk court interviews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12796644) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 1:21 PM Author: territorial ape I did take bk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12799525) |
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Date: September 20th, 2009 2:35 PM Author: Sexy Lime Mad-dog Skullcap MVP, LR, top 20%, published article (not note). Strong, non-generic LORs. A few other nice soft factors that might help on the margins. Just scored a decent Dist Ct clerkship, but no COA interviews.
Would like to apply to move up to COA, preferably in the 1st/2d/3d/7th/9th/11th districts. Chances? Also, when should I start applying for 2011 COA? |
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Date: September 20th, 2009 10:21 PM Author: titillating unhinged useless brakes how great is the alumni bump (w/e)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12796366) |
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Date: September 20th, 2009 10:53 PM Author: titillating unhinged useless brakes HOW MUCH DOES A YEAR OR TWO OF WORK EXPERIENCE AFFECT THE GPA REQUIREMENT???? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12796645) |
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Date: September 20th, 2009 10:54 PM Author: Bateful Flushed Principal's Office the work experience didn't involve any grammar, did it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12796653) |
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Date: September 20th, 2009 10:55 PM Author: titillating unhinged useless brakes you ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12796662) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 2:49 AM Author: painfully honest floppy institution Top 2% at UCLA/Vandy/UT/USC, law review board, no publication. Clerking COA on 2nd/9th/DC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12798190) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 1:07 PM Author: Heady Ultramarine Parlor Not so subtle USC troll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12799483) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 3:34 PM Author: painfully honest floppy institution Try again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12800159) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 8:51 AM Author: Plum Impressive Knife Abode 15% MVPB, law review pub., class of 2009: COA clerkship in non-flyover, non-coastal city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12798469) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 1:13 AM Author: Sexy Lime Mad-dog Skullcap "desirable flyover city" = contradiction in terms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12804979) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 9:38 AM Author: Plum Impressive Knife Abode What, there are no desirable cities that are not on the coastline, other than Chicago?
I have no personal ties, but my location was one of my first choices. Would rather live there than, say, Maine or Riverside, CA. |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 11:38 PM Author: Sexy Lime Mad-dog Skullcap "flyover" inherently connotes an undesirable locale, such that you would FLY OVER it without ever visiting. if it's a desirable location to visit, it is not a flyover city.
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Date: September 23rd, 2009 8:29 AM Author: Plum Impressive Knife Abode Okay, then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12814557) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 9:08 AM Author: deranged masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12798490) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 9:16 AM Author: rose spectacular antidepressant drug crackhouse Fed. Cir. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12798499) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 9:17 AM Author: deranged masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12798502) |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 11:37 AM Author: abusive deep church T20, top 15%, editor of secondary journal, clerked for dst ct. judge, published twice
- clerking for flyover COA |
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Date: September 21st, 2009 12:43 PM Author: Vivacious library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12799326) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 1:26 AM Author: Glittery White Travel Guidebook Subject: the game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtJSaKthUvI&feature=PlayList&p=A982626207F0C694&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=45 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12805097) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 8:37 AM Author: fiercely-loyal cream school CCN, top 10-15%, ed bd of secondary journal, class of 2009 (big advantage to being off plan), solid recs (but no phone calls). COA on 2d/9th/DC.
EDIT: Also have published note. |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 8:39 AM Author: Odious hyperventilating corn cake ticket booth when did you land this? i'm in a similar position. also, are you d.ct this year, or something else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12805833) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 8:49 AM Author: fiercely-loyal cream school earlier this summer, around late july, early august. no DCt this yr, i'm starting at my firm in 1-2 months. i'm not sure of this myself (and won't get any more specific than this), but 1 of my profs indicated that my firm's presence on my resume might have boosted my chances a bit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12805838) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2009 11:42 PM Author: green haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12812871) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2009 12:02 AM Author: Sexy Lime Mad-dog Skullcap no journal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12813086) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2009 12:03 AM Author: green haunted graveyard Secondary. Published article. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12813100) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2009 12:07 AM Author: Sexy Lime Mad-dog Skullcap Bummer : ( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12813132) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2009 12:16 AM Author: fiercely-loyal cream school IIRC, you said you targeted only feeders or highly desirable locations w/in those circuits. You probably would've wound up with something had you applied more broadly.
But also IIRC, you said you're fairly happy where you currently are, so this was hardly make-or-break for you unlike for many others. In any case, best of luck next yr (or whenever ITE blows over). |
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Date: September 23rd, 2009 12:23 AM Author: green haunted graveyard I didn't target only feeders, but I didn't apply to Idaho or the 10th outside New Mexico and Colorado. Other than that, I applied to everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12813298) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2009 12:42 AM Author: fiercely-loyal cream school rly sorry dude. on the bright side it looks like some judges have already opened apps for 2011-12. maybe you can polish your app quickly and catch them (and all those who hire before summer) at an earlier point in the cycle than you did this past round. sux that ITE rly blows. best of luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=969218&forum_id=2#12813432) |