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has xo weighed in on the twitter red/blue button meltodwn amongst morons?
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:25 PM Author: hank_scorpio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49844920) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:41 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Since op didn't explain for his xo bros, the thought experiment is: Everyone on earth is going to push a blue button or a red button. If > 50% push the blue button, everyone survives. If < 50% push the blue button, everyone who pushed blue dies and everyone who pushed red survives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49844960) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:02 PM Author: oomox So it's just the prisoner's dilemma? I'd pick blue no question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845014) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:03 PM Author: hank_scorpio not really, red is just opting out entirely and blue is subjected all of humanity to the possibility of mass death (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845021) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:08 PM Author: oomox What? Either choice could condemn up to 50% of the population to death.
There are two ways everyone survives: 1) Everyone chooses red 2) >50% choose blue
Seems a lot easier to get to the "everyone survives" result with blue, and that's what a lot of us would prefer over guaranteeing our own personal safety. |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:10 PM Author: hank_scorpio it is much simpler to simply opt out of the entire thing by choosing red, you could reword the expiriment with no red button and just say there is a blue one that subjects humanity to the possibility that 49% of people die and you can choose to hit it or not, no change in the actual moral calculus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845050) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:18 PM Author: oomox You can't just reword the problem because the decision has to do with what you think other people will do, which is sensitive to framing.
There are two issues with this framing anyway. First, "subjects humanity to the possibility" makes it sound like it's somehow random, not dependent on other people's choices. And you'd also have to specify that everyone else is being asked the same thing and that if you don't push it and other people do, up to half of the population, they'll die. |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:21 PM Author: hank_scorpio yes, if you push you participate in the expiriment, if you don't, you don't leaving people to freely choose to do something insane is the correct call, hoping that mass insanity will save us all is...well a good cull |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:22 PM Author: oomox You're saying abstainers just wouldn't count at all toward the percentage that determines the outcome? That's a completely different problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845074) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:25 PM Author: hank_scorpio no, they count pricisely the same, they are not subjecting themselves to the expiriment, but the rest of the world is free to do so if they think they can get to 50%, which is fucking retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845081) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:32 PM Author: oomox OK, assuming you tighten up the language to make it parallel to the original, it does become a harder question. Again, it's literally a different question because the entire thought experiment is about anticipating other people's decisions, which depends on the precise wording they're presented with.
With your "opt in" framing, the thought process for normal people is, "How likely is it that half of the country would risk their own death to MAYBE protect the people who are stupid/suicidal/sadistic enough to push the button? And based on that, am I willing to risk mine?" – I think I'd have to abstain in that case. |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:42 PM Author: podcat there's a tiger cage, but you can't see in to it or tell what's going on in there until you jump in. if enough people jump in, they'll be able to save all the people who jumped in. otherwise anyone who jumps in will get killed for sure by the tigers. do you jump in to help out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845390) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 10:15 PM Author: oomox That's another framing where the answer is "hell no." It ultimately comes down to the fact that it's optional. The trolley problem and all its variants show that people have way different moral intuitions about action vs. inaction.
Action vs. inaction also explains why hank scorpio's example elicits more of a "why would anyone possibly push it?" than the red vs. blue. You need the red button in the hypo because you're taking an action by pushing the button. That action could condemn all the blue pushers to death.
So I think that the blue pushers are thinking about each button in terms of the possible consequences to themselves AND other people, and they want to avoid the consequences to others by going for the "save everybody just in case" option. The question is whether you think more than 50% of people have the collective interest in the group that biases their moral calculus against taking actions that hurt others. Blue pushers think that ultimately most people will put themselves at risk to get to the Good Ending; red pushers don't. |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:35 PM Author: podcat what you wrote is incoherent
jump in the cage or press the red button |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:45 PM Author: oomox You got it backwards bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845649) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:46 PM Author: podcat i don't think i did (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845653) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:48 PM Author: oomox Pushing red would keep me alive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845655) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:53 PM Author: podcat look up "or" in a dictionary? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845666) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:54 PM Author: oomox Oh cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845670) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:06 PM Author: podcat because you're bad at playing prisoner's dilemma? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845159) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:42 PM Author: sealclubber prisoner's dilemma is different than this. this has a pathway for everyone to win (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845392) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 10:19 PM Author: oomox It has two pathways, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845462) |
Date: April 26th, 2026 6:27 PM Author: gay screen addicted retard Yeah just kill all blues pretty straightforward
Too bad this will never happen irl and instead our civilization will just wither and die because all of these useless retards have been enabled to breed |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:30 PM Author: oomox edit nvm saw premise above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49844932) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:30 PM Author: hank_scorpio but virtue signalling on twitter is very important (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49844933) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:45 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Oh the civilization (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49844971) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:38 PM Author: Nazca Redlines It's an interesting exercise. Picking blue is my gut reaction for the right thing to do and what I'd do.
Side question: What portion of the world could minimally comprehend the issue? See xo scholarship re people who can't even comprehend and engage with a counterfactual. |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:43 PM Author: Gavin Newsom Red is obviously the correct answer. If every single person picks red then every single person on Earth lives. Why would anyone pick blue given this fact? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49844966) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:47 PM Author: gay screen addicted retard Consider the fact that many “people” are brainless retards who are incapable of independent thought and process everything through instinctive “moral” filters that correspond to absolutely nothing rational in the real world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49844983) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:48 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Is everyone coordinating? Thoughtful people willing to sacrifice for the common good are picking blue, and better not to lose them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49844986) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:09 PM Author: oomox (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845047) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:55 PM Author: Gavin Newsom I would need more than half the other people to pick blue for "the greater good", and if I'm wrong I outright die. Red's the only choice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845146) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:57 PM Author: Mideast "Peace" "Agreement" (No Future) Sure but all we need is for everyone to choose the option that’s in their best interest anyway. It’s not zero sum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845149) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:59 PM Author: hank_scorpio it's entirely about phrasing, it allows you to appear virtuous, but if you just framed it as "Trump has declared a MAGA hunger games, if you choose to participate there will be a winner take all battle royale where everyone else dies, if you choose not to participate you can just say no, but there is a caveat that if half the population chooses to do the hunger games the games are cancelled" and nobody picks that one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845007) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:37 PM Author: Nyolent Vigor Yup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845125) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:23 PM Author: i gave my cousin head red is a win/win
any other choice is goybait |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 6:58 PM Author: Fucking Fuckface Pressing red as fast as I can and as many times as humanly possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845004) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:21 PM Author: i gave my cousin head goy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845068) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:55 PM Author: Mideast "Peace" "Agreement" (No Future) Blue is my gut reaction but after a minute of thought it’s obvious red is tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845147) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 7:58 PM Author: gay screen addicted retard https://x.com/refinedpopulist/status/2048444043701449150?s=46
Ran the Blue/Red experiment with three different groups this weekend. Every time:
> Men picked Red > Women picked Blue > Women admit they didn’t understand the rules, and all picked Red after having it explained.
Surely there are no broader implications we can draw from this. |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:03 PM Author: niggerstomper59 (✅🍑) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845548) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:03 PM Author: '"'''''''''''''"' xo hypo: If +5% choose black everyone dies. If +95% choose white everyone lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845157) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:08 PM Author: ..,,....,,.,..,,..,,...,...,,....,..., Lib nonsense because of the colors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845163) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:10 PM Author: fear of a faggot planet (🧐) Is this a 2005 college board poast I time warped to after taking too big a hit off the gravity bong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845168) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:28 PM Author: llm (lab lives matter) friend tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845348) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:14 PM Author: cowgod With red you guarantee your survival? it'll be hard to not pick red. but you get a mass casualty event if blue doesn't get a majority. the split would be like 70/30 in favor of blue in the hypo. but IRL, a literal gun to your head, and red would do better imo, closer to 50/50. IF you get a chance to tell people you care about what to choose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845183) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:21 PM Author: podcat why would anyone push blue except on account of being suicidal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845201) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:34 PM Author: cowgod they're thinking of the aftermath with billions dead and just wanting to take the high road idk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845364) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:38 PM Author: podcat but why would billions die. what's the reason for even a single person to press blue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845376) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:47 PM Author: oomox Blue = banding together for the common good. For a lot of us, the desired outcome is for nobody to die. So you can get there with 100% red or 50% blue.
It's kinda like getting the vaxx when it first came out if you believed that it actually worked. Like "I'll put this untested thing in my body in order to help Stop the Spread for the most vulnerable among us." |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:51 PM Author: podcat what common good? pushing blue doesn't accomplish anything except (possibly) saving people who push blue. so what is the reason for anyone to push blue in the first place? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845409) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:55 PM Author: peeface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845419) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 10:28 PM Author: oomox Exactly, possibly saving people who push blue. If your moral calculus highly values avoiding harm to other people, you're going to approach this with the goal of nobody dying. There are two ways this can happen: everyone pushes red or 50%+ push blue. Everyone on Earth is there, so it'd be crazy to assume no one would push blue for any reason. So a lot of us figure, let's shoot for the far more achievable way of making sure nobody dies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845471) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:33 PM Author: podcat there's a button labeled "push this button and you'll die, unless half of humanity bails your dumb ass out" and you're like "i must press that button" lmao
well, bye |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:47 PM Author: cowgod because like 10+% of people are going to pick blue no matter what. every single "choice" is 50/50 irl. Like 50% of people support Open Borders. That's just what people do. Trump beat Kamala by like a couple million votes in the popular vote. If you aren't "autistic" and realize that people do the shit that people do in predictable and illogical ways, you can see why you'd want to pick blue and have the aftermath be Normal instead of Ruinous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845398) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 9:50 PM Author: oomox (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845401) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:17 PM Author: peeface there's no upside potential here, only downside.
if you push red, no risk no reward.
if you push blue, huge risk, and no potential reward.
everyone should push red.
the only reason you would ever pick blue is if you assumed a lot of people were really fucking dumb and would push blue for no good reason and wanted to seriously risk your life as a tiny wee part of an effort to save these idiots.
i'd push red. |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:21 PM Author: hank_scorpio cr, pushing blue is like volunteering to be a gladiator in Rome just because if you overwhelm the system they'll stop the games (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845202) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:24 PM Author: peeface the trolley problem, except instead of sending it down the clear track let's see if we can gum it up with our corpses
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Date: April 26th, 2026 10:34 PM Author: oomox If the problem included the premise "everyone on Earth is an ideally rational actor," there would be a correct answer: red, for the exact reason you said. No risk no reward vs. huge risk no reward.
But in this problem, everyone on Earth is there, and you have to think about what other people are going to do. On the individual level, I guess you could say that everyone who chooses blue is either stupid, suicidal, or sadistic and it's NBD if they die. But people aren't thinking of it like, "why would anyone choose blue?" – they're thinking of it like, "surely some people are going to choose blue, so let's do what we can to make sure we all survive." |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 10:38 PM Author: peeface it still would make no sense.
press the blue button and you individually move it 1/4,150,000,000th of the way closer to that line but accept a 50/50 chance of death for doing it.
press the red button.
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Date: April 26th, 2026 10:47 PM Author: oomox Why 50/50?
This isn't a logic puzzle with a correct answer where you can calculate expected outcome assuming rational actors. (Those are way more fun.)
This ultimately comes down to how you think other people think. If you think the majority of people would say, "let's just band together and make sure no one dies" then you push blue. If your thoughts are more like, "why would anyone choose the one that could kill them?" then you push red. |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 10:51 PM Author: peeface on the twitter poll where there was nothing at risk but feels, it came down to 42/58. if it were actually real life and death at stake 50/50 seems optimistic.
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Date: April 26th, 2026 10:57 PM Author: oomox You might be right. Personally I am very stubborn about moral shit and would push blue for sure but I also acknowledge that I might die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845535) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:11 PM Author: peeface i'd rather you not die. please press red.
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:28 PM Author: oomox That's actually very sweet, thanks bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845606) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:27 PM Author: Ass Sunstein Always bet on black (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845214) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 8:34 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if women really picked blue more often, it's like that tilted glass question where women cannot predict the water level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845229) |
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Date: April 26th, 2026 11:28 PM Author: Metal Up Your Ass based, and red-buttoned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860807&forum_id=2...#49845605) |