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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
arousing fanboi piazza
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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it was a nanny state.
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: arousing fanboi piazza

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
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just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Geriatric Selfie Round Eye

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:54 PM
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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:47 PM
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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM
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Date: May 13th, 2026 7:20 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Turquoise parlor dingle berry

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: spruce alpha

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Turquoise parlor dingle berry

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: spruce alpha

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Turquoise parlor dingle berry

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Adulterous pistol

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Exciting casino



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Talking Sinister Library

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: misunderstood burgundy doctorate bawdyhouse

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: gay pisswyrm

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Adulterous pistol

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Excitant wine hairy legs cuckoldry

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Cheese-eating big mediation

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: lemon talented corner

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: tantric property

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: thriller maniacal rehab candlestick maker

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: tantric property

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: lemon talented corner

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Electric regret shrine

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49838409)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Electric regret shrine

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49838410)