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Question about European feudalism.
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM Author: brass low-t heaven fortuitous meteor Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#23393887) |
Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM Author: Violet Stead just walk outside bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969812) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM Author: Violet Stead (and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969813) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48985020) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49064860) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49070377) |
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49077411) |
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49084518) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49098591) |
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49101058) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49105012) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49117359) |
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49128622) |
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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49141968) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49422254) |
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49424474) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49427654) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49436681) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49436785) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49439167) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49454945) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49455274) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49457596) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49458108) |
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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49467160) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49478445) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49484240) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:04 AM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49518561) |
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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM Author: Violet Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49604959) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49838395) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49838453) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged foreskin Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence? yes |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM Author: pale chapel Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969860) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged foreskin (ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969863) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM Author: pale chapel They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48969954) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: razzle-dazzle jet-lagged foreskin read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48971066) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM Author: Rambunctious native Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49065184) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: wild cerise whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49098592) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: Cruel-hearted bull headed stage indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49098608) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: Racy point philosopher-king what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48970037) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM Author: ebony gaming laptop cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48970041) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM Author: boyish twinkling uncleanness I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48985033) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM Author: Rambunctious native teen black death survivors were the original Boomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49065206) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM Author: fiercely-loyal ocher field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49518664) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: Unhinged irradiated indian lodge kitty cat i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#48997602) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM Author: Hairraiser principal's office Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49065026) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM Author: Khaki at-the-ready skinny woman really depended on the country, the region, and the lord removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM Author: Bat shit crazy heady orchestra pit headpube It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49421865) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: Claret Swashbuckling Persian Circlehead it was a nanny state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49458174) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM Author: Bat shit crazy heady orchestra pit headpube Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49495273) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM Author: Khaki at-the-ready skinny woman actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Nazca Redlines 13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails
you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Nazca Redlines "Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...#49838410) |