They were never intended to be an absolute requirement to avoid eating dog food in your 80s, but it was advantageous for certain jews (who are NOT the same as the people who created 401ks btw) to have that be the case so here we are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49089809)

while i agree that there is a lot of truth to your take on the end result, that is function of people being stupid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49089973)

are any of those differences really significant?

durrr durrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090565)

my wife and i each have roughly $1m in our accounts at ages 45 and 46. i'm focusing on getting to $1.2 - 1.5m in taxable accounts so i can go into semiretirement at around 49. we let the $2m in 401ks grow for another 20 years, it'll probably be 10-15m, likely on the higher end of that scale.

i guess most people can't retire because they are 52 and have $94k in their account, but the pension system is no better. didn't you generally have to work until like 62 under those systems anyway?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49089864)

even at an average return of 8% over that horizon, the 2m is just under 10m at year 20. if you start living off that and withdrawing 35k a month (with 2% increases to withdrawals annually), your money continues growing. of course, this doesn't apply if the s&p decides to reverse its historical trend of 11% returns and starts returning like 5%. then i guess we are all in trouble.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49089978)

This is why I begrudgingly admit that social security is necessary to prevent olds from starving to death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49089885)

The answer is that our entire consumption-based system would collapse if people spent responsibly, so we'll prop it up until we simply can't do it any longer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49089985)

winning so big in 2024 has come with the bitter realization that we're just as factionalized and retarded as the left but just in different ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090530)

olds don't die in the streets

all consideration of government

except national defense

should begin with the premise that the less government, the better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090599)

jarring and unreadable format

that no other person writes in

or has ever read before

so frequently

durr durr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090609)

"you don't want to "conserve" traditional government, you want no government at all."

"all consideration of government except national defense should begin with the premise that the less government, the better"

retard, if all consideration of government should begin with the premise that the less government the better then whatever government exists you'll want less than that i.e. you want no government ultimately.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090624)

hitler came after your type, too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090727)

"you want no government"

"no, i just think whatever government exists there should be less."

"that inherently leads to no government if less is always better."

"wrong. zurich is an antisemite and you suck cock. later goys!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090756)

why you ended up at a ttt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090812)

lol oh no, overinvestment! underconsumption!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090331)

people who do plan ahead should be better off than those who don't

whenever you have people involving the government in social policies, they will fuck it up. it follows that the goals of social policy should focus on the bare minimum necessary to achieve the goal. people should be incentivized to achieve far more than the guaranteed minimum.

i agree with a point you are making which is why i was and remain against social security investing in or permitting beneficiaries to invest in the stock market. not entirely because of your point, but that is one of the reasons

it's not like there aren't many other options besides the stock market for people to invest in. and it's not like the stock market doesn't consist of stocks all over the world and in different markets or industries, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090586)

good luck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090674)

you could just say what you believe to be a better investment vehicle. but you're terrified to be wrong online, so you just post adhoms and vague shit. it's consuela-tier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090761)

xo fags who do the same shit the middle class masses do just don’t like the answers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49090813)

The US job market is much more fluid now so you need a much more fluid solution.

Plus, a pension basically would require you to put total trust in your corporate employer. Public companies are basically required to be evil. Any time you had a bad earnings call, an army of HR people would examine creative ways to fuck over employees and relieve the long term pension obligation.

It's a safer result for you and your employee to put your retirement money in your own account.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49091834)

These convoluted mechanisms for retirement funding are not necessary and make it harder for regular folks to get what they earn and easier for business owners to pay themselves more in sheltered ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49092096)

private companies

local municipalities

states, and

federal

and perhaps more divisions are worth discussing

all of the above have important differences

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49092151)

TLDR: Pensions are flame. The only benefit of a pension is that it prevents you from contributing 0% to your 401k and buying an $80k truck instead. If you are a non-stupid investor, you will end up with far more money in retirement if you contribute to a 401k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5748657&forum_id=2...id#49091877)