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Question about European feudalism.
| Burgundy den windowlicker | 06/14/13 |
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| nyuug | 05/21/26 |
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| Iridescent Indirect Expression Skinny Woman | 12/18/25 |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM Author: Burgundy den windowlicker Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#23393887) |
Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM Author: outnumbered brass party of the first part just walk outside bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48969812) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM Author: outnumbered brass party of the first part (and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48969813) |
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Date: May 21st, 2026 5:25 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49893306) |
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Date: May 25th, 2026 6:16 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49900593) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM Author: Deep double fault Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence? yes |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM Author: red overrated university Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48969860) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM Author: Deep double fault (ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48969863) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM Author: red overrated university They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48969954) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: Deep double fault read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48971066) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM Author: geriatric sepia national Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49065184) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: Henna charismatic community account state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49098592) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: khaki aromatic ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49098608) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: Cream Theater Stage what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48970037) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM Author: Exhilarant sweet tailpipe cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48970041) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM Author: racy bright range coldplay fan I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48985033) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM Author: geriatric sepia national teen black death survivors were the original Boomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49065206) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM Author: Iridescent Indirect Expression Skinny Woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49518664) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: Flatulent ticket booth shitlib i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#48997602) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM Author: cerebral keepsake machete Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49065026) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM Author: Dead lemon death wish really depended on the country, the region, and the lord removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM Author: insanely creepy jade macaca It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49421865) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: big police squad boiling water it was a nanny state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49458174) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM Author: insanely creepy jade macaca Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49495273) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM Author: Dead lemon death wish actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: irate blood rage 13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails
you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: irate blood rage "Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2...id#49838410) |