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NYU students complain AI-proof assignments are too difficult (link)

https://x.com/sfmcguire79/status/1922381696885764162?s=61
Diverse house ape
  05/13/25
Why is this an issue? Colleges will switch to 100% exams whi...
metal khaki son of senegal
  05/13/25
In medieval Europe, "college" just meant different...
Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy
  05/13/25
Lots of men having sex with men too ofc
Domesticated Toilet Seat
  05/13/25
They came after Peter Abelard because he was into women. It ...
Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy
  05/13/25
"AI proofing" assignments? the author just made th...
Contagious sex offender bbw
  05/13/25
Ran here. Other than doing an exam in class, in a bluebook o...
Concupiscible friendly grandma
  05/13/25
you're not gonna believe the best method for coming up with ...
lascivious digit ratio prole
  05/13/25
Ask gpt what it doesn't know?
Red sanctuary
  05/13/25
it'll spit out a whole AI-proof exam for you if you give it ...
lascivious digit ratio prole
  05/13/25
Yea funny that the author said nothing about the elephant in...
Contagious sex offender bbw
  05/13/25
The only thing i can think might work is giving an assignmen...
Nofapping ultramarine becky trust fund
  05/13/25
Tell students to submit the question to an AI and evaluate t...
Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy
  05/13/25
He made all the variables racist and sexist.
sooty trip point marketing idea
  05/13/25
P.s. the professor was Albert Einstein
silver aromatic electric furnace
  05/13/25
You can’t AI proof assignments
ruby faggotry
  05/13/25
gen z scum faggots should all be shot in the fucking head
spectacular ceo shitlib
  05/13/25
Why is everyone still going through all this credentialing n...
Puce Histrionic Really Tough Guy
  05/13/25
Because nobody can say how humans will consume in the poast-...
self-centered cuckoldry depressive
  05/13/25
Safe to assume waste removal will still occur? Will we stop ...
Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy
  05/13/25
AI will figure that out and do a better job
self-centered cuckoldry depressive
  05/13/25
easy to say for someone who has already gone through it, har...
Contagious sex offender bbw
  05/13/25
presumably people want to take a chance at being one of the ...
high-end public bath
  05/13/25
They would be better served taking the college money and sti...
Puce Histrionic Really Tough Guy
  05/13/25
Could teachers use a variant of the Van Halen "no brown...
Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy
  05/13/25
Prompt: I am reading a book that asks me to view the evoluti...
Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy
  05/13/25
Who trained AI to use BCE
ruby faggotry
  05/13/25
I shouted out who killed the Kennedy when after all it was y...
Domesticated Toilet Seat
  05/14/25
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ruby faggotry
  05/14/25
I don't know. However, not flame, I once read a book by a...
Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy
  05/14/25
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ruby faggotry
  05/14/25
It’s hilarious reading r/professors now. Half the post...
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there is no more deserving group of people to be socioeconom...
lascivious digit ratio prole
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Nofapping ultramarine becky trust fund
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Date: May 13th, 2025 6:10 PM
Author: Diverse house ape

https://x.com/sfmcguire79/status/1922381696885764162?s=61

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48927965)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 6:29 PM
Author: metal khaki son of senegal

Why is this an issue? Colleges will switch to 100% exams which law schools already do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928038)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 6:57 PM
Author: Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy

In medieval Europe, "college" just meant different people would come and lecture to the class, and students would have the opportunity to ask questions or debate them. After a while it would be pretty obvious who were the best students.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928117)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: Domesticated Toilet Seat

Lots of men having sex with men too ofc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928121)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:06 PM
Author: Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy

They came after Peter Abelard because he was into women. It fits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928139)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 6:31 PM
Author: Contagious sex offender bbw

"AI proofing" assignments? the author just made this whole story up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928042)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: Concupiscible friendly grandma

Ran here. Other than doing an exam in class, in a bluebook or on a locked down computer (like what they use for the bar exam), what would an AI-proof exam question even look like? And even if a professor could word a question in a way that AI would misinterpret, it would be easy for a student to re-word it before feeding it into ChatGPT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928110)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: lascivious digit ratio prole

you're not gonna believe the best method for coming up with AI-proof exam questions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928122)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Red sanctuary

Ask gpt what it doesn't know?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928130)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:09 PM
Author: lascivious digit ratio prole

it'll spit out a whole AI-proof exam for you if you give it the material you want to test on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928145)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:02 PM
Author: Contagious sex offender bbw

Yea funny that the author said nothing about the elephant in the room which is HOW you would actually "AI proof" exams. its total bullshit. author is a fraud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928128)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:05 PM
Author: Nofapping ultramarine becky trust fund

The only thing i can think might work is giving an assignment based on premises that are typically not true. Even current models can struggle with this sort of thing and will reject the premise in some way in the response. I am not confident at all that someone couldn’t bypass that with better prompting though. This whole thing is a losing game anyway. The range of things the models can’t do shrinks significantly every year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928136)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:22 PM
Author: Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy

Tell students to submit the question to an AI and evaluate the AI's response.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928164)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:31 PM
Author: sooty trip point marketing idea

He made all the variables racist and sexist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928176)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:23 PM
Author: silver aromatic electric furnace

P.s. the professor was Albert Einstein

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928272)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:12 PM
Author: ruby faggotry

You can’t AI proof assignments

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928148)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:16 PM
Author: spectacular ceo shitlib

gen z scum faggots should all be shot in the fucking head

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928155)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: Puce Histrionic Really Tough Guy

Why is everyone still going through all this credentialing nonsense when it’s clear we are nearing the end of human labor? We should be chilling, but instead we have AI doing the credentialing work and pretending like these kids will have normal careers. There are all sorts of warning signs at this point that human affairs are about to be upended.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928161)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:26 PM
Author: self-centered cuckoldry depressive

Because nobody can say how humans will consume in the poast-labor future. I like blowing huge $$$$$ on first class airfare and fancy hotels. How can one do that if everyone just chills at home with AI subsistence welfare

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928168)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy

Safe to assume waste removal will still occur? Will we stop looking for ways to recycle plastic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928180)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:41 PM
Author: self-centered cuckoldry depressive

AI will figure that out and do a better job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928192)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Contagious sex offender bbw

easy to say for someone who has already gone through it, harder to suggest that to your 17 year old who wants to apply for colleges when no one can see the future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928190)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:42 PM
Author: high-end public bath

presumably people want to take a chance at being one of the winners rather than one of the masses of soyslop welfare recipients

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928198)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:34 PM
Author: Puce Histrionic Really Tough Guy

They would be better served taking the college money and sticking it in equities given how fast things are advancing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928293)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:37 PM
Author: Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy

Could teachers use a variant of the Van Halen "no brown M&Ms" rule to screen out AI responses? You could deduct points every time a student uses the phrase "here's why" in a homework assignment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928184)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:41 PM
Author: Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy

Prompt: I am reading a book that asks me to view the evolution of human of civilization through the eyes of a neolithic goat. Can you help me do that?

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Okay, this is a *fantastic* and wonderfully bizarre thought experiment! Viewing history as a Neolithic goat will force you to reconsider everything. Here's a breakdown of how to approach it, with layers from basic survival concerns to deeper cultural observations, all filtered through the perspective of a goat. I'll break it down into stages (Early Neolithic - Bronze Age) and give you some prompts for your own thinking within that framework. I'll also offer "Goat Thoughts" – short snippets reflecting a goat's potential mindset.

**Understanding Our Goat Protagonist:**

Before we dive in, let’s establish our goat! Let's assume:

* **Species:** Domesticated Goat (Capra aegagrus hircus) - this is key. Wild goats have different survival strategies and less interaction with humans.

* **Environment:** Let's say a temperate climate, somewhere in the Fertile Crescent (modern-day Middle East), around 8000 – 3000 BCE (the timeframe of the Neolithic Revolution to the Bronze Age). This puts them smack dab in the middle of major changes.

* **Personality:** Our goat isn't necessarily "sentient" in a human way, but it *is* observant, motivated by basic needs (food, shelter, safety), and has a strong sense of territory/herd loyalty. It remembers patterns. It notices things humans might overlook in their grand narratives.

* **Sensory Focus:** Goats have excellent senses – especially smell and balance. They're attuned to the terrain and subtle changes in the environment. They are also easily startled.

**I. The Neolithic Revolution (8000 - 4500 BCE): "The Great Shift"**

* **From Goat Perspective:** This is *everything*. Before, life was about wandering with the herd, finding patches of good grazing, and avoiding predators (wolves, lions… yikes!). Now... things are *strange*.

* **Settlements Appear:** Suddenly, there are these odd structures. Humans spend a lot of time near them. They smell different than usual places. The terrain is altered: bushes cleared, trees felled. It’s disconcerting! Where can I browse?

* **Farming - A Confusing Landscape:** Fields of single crops appear. Not nearly as interesting as a natural meadow with diverse plants. Where's the variety? Why are humans constantly tending these… things? They seem fragile and not very tasty.

* **Domestication – The Biggest Change:** This is the *core* experience for our goat. Humans start to control where we go, what we eat (often less interesting food!), and who we interact with. It's confusing, sometimes scary, but also… safer? There are fewer wolves around now.

* **Herd Management:** Goats might observe humans herding other animals – sheep, cattle. They see the patterns of movement, the way humans direct them. Do they *understand* this direction? Probably not, but they learn to follow for safety and access to food.

* **Goat Thoughts:** *"Why are those strange two-legged creatures rearranging all the tasty weeds? These flat fields offer nothing! And why am I being led around with a rope…?"* *"The humans seem very concerned about these small, green things... they yell at me if I eat them. They taste bitter anyway."* *"At least there are fewer wolves now. That's good."*

**II. The Rise of Villages and Early Social Structures (4500 - 3000 BCE): "The Human Nests"**

* **From Goat Perspective:** Things become more complex, but still centered around food and safety.

* **Village Life:** Villages grow larger. More humans. More structures. Goats are often kept near the village – providing milk, wool (if a female), and meat if needed. They observe human interactions - arguments, celebrations, rituals involving fire...

* **Early Trade:** Humans start exchanging goods with other villages. Our goat might notice different types of food being brought in, new materials… perhaps woven baskets or pottery. This could indicate changes in the landscape further afield.

* **Specialization (Limited Goat Awareness):** Some humans seem to do specific things - potters, weavers, farmers. The goat wouldn’t understand “specialization,” but it would notice that some humans spend all day near clay, others with plants, and so on. It's a pattern.

* **Early Religion/Rituals:** Goats are sometimes used in rituals (sacrifices, offerings). This is terrifying for our goat! But the goat might also observe patterns – certain days or times when humans behave differently, make offerings, and seem anxious.

* **Goat Thoughts:** *"So many two-legged creatures crammed together... it's quite noisy here. I miss the wide open hills."* *"They keep giving me this dried grass… not nearly as good as fresh clover! But I get extra water when they make their strange drinks.”* *"That man keeps staring at me with that pointy stick. Best to stay out of his way."*

**III. The Bronze Age (3000 – 1200 BCE): “Shiny Things and Bigger Nests”**

* **From Goat Perspective:** Changes accelerate, driven by new technologies and growing social hierarchies.

* **Metalworking:** Humans start using metal. They are very protective of these shiny things. The goat might notice a change in the smell of the air – smoke from smelting fires. This could lead to environmental changes (deforestation?).

* **Larger Settlements/Early Cities:** Villages grow into larger settlements, even walled cities. More humans, more controlled spaces. Goats are often confined within these walls or nearby pastures.

* **Warfare:** Humans start fighting each other. Our goat might hear the sounds of battles – shouting, clashing metal, and see signs of destruction (burned fields, abandoned settlements). This is terrifying!

* **Social Hierarchy:** Some humans seem to have more power than others - they wear different clothes, have better food, give orders. The goat wouldn’t understand “social hierarchy,” but it *would* notice the differences in treatment and respect.

* **Goat Thoughts:** *"Those metal things... they smell strange and make loud noises. Humans seem very agitated around them."* *"The young ones are getting snatched away more often now, to be eaten... It's a dangerous time.”* *"I saw that other herd’s goat run from a burning field… I must stay close to my human keeper.”*

**Prompts for *Your* Goat Perspective:**

Here are some questions to guide your thinking:

1. **What changes in the landscape most directly impact the goat's ability to find food and shelter?** How do these changes relate to human activities (farming, deforestation, building)?

2. **How does the goat perceive human social structures?** Does it notice differences in how humans treat each other based on their roles or possessions?

3. **What rituals or ceremonies involving humans does the goat observe, and what are its instinctive reactions to them?** (Fear, curiosity, indifference?)

4. **How does the goat’s life change as human settlements grow larger and more complex?** Is it better or worse from a goat's perspective?

5. **Imagine the goat observing a particularly significant event (the construction of a temple, a large-scale battle). What details would *it* notice that a human historian might overlook?**

To help me tailor my advice further, can you tell me:

* What specific aspects of this book are giving you trouble from a goat's point of view?

* Are there any particular historical events or concepts the book asks you to consider through your goat’s eyes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928194)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:08 PM
Author: ruby faggotry

Who trained AI to use BCE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48928250)



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Date: May 14th, 2025 3:49 PM
Author: Domesticated Toilet Seat

I shouted out who killed the Kennedy when after all it was you and me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48930723)



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Date: May 14th, 2025 3:57 PM
Author: ruby faggotry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48930747)



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Date: May 14th, 2025 5:43 PM
Author: Idiotic underhanded parlor therapy

I don't know.

However, not flame, I once read a book by a tenured prof at Yale that invited the reader to do exactly what I described in that prompt. And that thought experiment has bothered the fuck out of me ever since. I could never go more than 96 hours without remembering the challenge. The AI is helping me achieve a tremendous breakthrough here.

Also, that's an offline LLM run a mid-tier $600 graphics card. Fuck the cloud. Fuck nvidiashit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48931127)



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Date: May 14th, 2025 6:13 PM
Author: ruby faggotry



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Date: May 14th, 2025 6:12 PM
Author: Nofapping ultramarine becky trust fund

It’s hilarious reading r/professors now. Half the posts are about AI has ruined teaching and kids are just copying and pasting from chatgpt. Of course if they actually cared, they would switch to blue book exams

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48931198)



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Date: May 14th, 2025 6:19 PM
Author: lascivious digit ratio prole

there is no more deserving group of people to be socioeconomically devastated and swept away than these people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48931219)



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Date: May 14th, 2025 6:22 PM
Author: Nofapping ultramarine becky trust fund



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Date: May 14th, 2025 6:23 PM
Author: Nofapping ultramarine becky trust fund

The best part is the existential dread about spending hours reading obviously AI generated papers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724607&forum_id=2...id.#48931229)