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Uncomfortable truth: having kids sucks balls and antinatalism is tcr

Everyone I know with kids (including myself) is miserable an...
..,.,.,.,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,,.,
  12/14/25
Really you just need more $$$$
average/ordinary/typical citizen/person
  12/14/25
I learned a long time ago that you can't persuade anyone of ...
OYT Magnus
  12/14/25
Moralizing aside, having children doesn't make sense in a mo...
Junko Enoshima
  12/14/25
doesn't matter if it makes sense, no one reproduces through ...
OYT Magnus
  12/14/25
I think it does matter if it makes sense. Fertility is decl...
Junko Enoshima
  12/14/25
Your last sentence reaffirms what I said - they may not be a...
OYT Magnus
  12/14/25
I think we agree that people aren't declining to have kids b...
Junko Enoshima
  12/14/25
The cats out of the bag Women want to fuck and take as ma...
spiritual hazmat suit
  12/14/25
exaggerating for effect but yeah pretty much cr in genera...
online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children
  12/14/25
State the number of children you have sired and your annual ...
Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity
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twitter links
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Noah Tannenbaum
  12/14/25
what? no. Having kids is one eighty. Being alive is 120.
Marshall W. Waller
  12/14/25
I refuse to condemn anyone to be fucked in the head so it's ...
prospero ano y luicidad
  12/14/25
almost no one regrets having kids, including oopsie kids ear...
nude gunner
  12/14/25
A lot of people feel trapped, even if they really aren't. P...
Junko Enoshima
  12/14/25
that's fair. however those are also examples of extreme meas...
nude gunner
  12/14/25
Not in America. What rice-based-diet country do you hail fro...
Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity
  12/14/25
almost everything about this post is wrong. delete your acco...
Jobs
  12/14/25
"it's easy enough to abandon your kids. if the juice wa...
prospero ano y luicidad
  12/14/25
It is not a binary where you either regret it or not. If you...
..,.,.,.,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,,.,
  12/14/25
OK but it seems like most of the time the kids are more cr t...
Kenneth Play
  12/14/25
I don’t know if this explains it. But if you don&rsquo...
Noah Tannenbaum
  12/14/25
i used to think this too but the truth is that most people w...
online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children
  12/14/25
im ugly
twitter links
  12/14/25
kids are now a luxury good/status symbol if you're white ...
online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children
  12/14/25
Adolf Hitler praised ancient Sparta as the "foremost ra...
twitter links
  12/14/25
My mom seemed to regard us as a chore. My dad seemed to genu...
,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
  12/14/25
tp
Battle Diaper Alita
  12/14/25
not cr. having kids is the only worthwhile thing in life
nude idiot
  12/14/25
I know a guy who used to say this a lot, he’s divorced...
..,.,.,.,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,,.,
  12/14/25
he probably still doesn't regret it all things considered th...
online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children
  12/14/25
Yeah the CSLG affair has made me highly skeptical of any &ld...
'''''''""''
  12/14/25
this view seems to be very gradually winning out over time. ...
,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.
  12/14/25
I went to a Christmas party today at my country club with th...
Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity
  12/14/25
Damn you sound happy as fuck, are you bros with CSLG who is ...
prospero ano y luicidad
  12/14/25
Gamecube
Jobs
  12/14/25
this post is exactly like that crying wojak face with the sm...
online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children
  12/14/25
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'''''''""''
  12/14/25
Have brunch and play grabass with trannies
constantscreen the great
  12/14/25
only rich people should have kids, I am not even lying. you...
resting bitch face
  12/14/25
This. Bringing someone into wage slavery is awful.
UhOh
  12/14/25
it's a moral and spiritual disaster. i would never forgive m...
Jobs
  12/14/25
the only thing more cringe than pretending like you had kids...
online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children
  12/14/25


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Date: December 14th, 2025 3:51 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,,.,


Everyone I know with kids (including myself) is miserable and wants to die

We are a failed species and it’s time to stop deluding ourselves about that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509128)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: average/ordinary/typical citizen/person

Really you just need more $$$$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509131)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 3:54 PM
Author: OYT Magnus ( )

I learned a long time ago that you can't persuade anyone of this and it isn't worth the blowback you'll get. You either get it or you don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509137)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 3:58 PM
Author: Junko Enoshima

Moralizing aside, having children doesn't make sense in a modern economy, not unless you're a billionaire who can use your children as status symbols with negligible cost. If the government or big business wants more workers, they should produce them themselves, not ask everyone to act out their own Hallmark Christmas movie on the off chance that produces a couple more registered nurses in 20 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509145)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:08 PM
Author: OYT Magnus ( )

doesn't matter if it makes sense, no one reproduces through an act of reason. and despite the OP, I believe children do provide many people "happiness", especially on the lower end of the IQ spectrum. even guys like Raymond have miserable existences and long to raise little Raymonds in a shitty Ohio trap house and feed them tube meat from Aldi. It is the worst idea ever but you can't stop him from doing it other than he can't get Laid.

presenting it as a hedonistic argument is actually more palatable to the public - no kids means more time to "enjoy life" haha. but as soon as it becomes vaguely ethical people are up in arms. they immediately take it personally and argue that Life is Beautiful or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509177)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:11 PM
Author: Junko Enoshima

I think it does matter if it makes sense. Fertility is declining in all OECD countries. Not even China has been able to prod its people into having more kids. People haven't suddenly gotten more rational, but the conditions under which they live are different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509184)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:21 PM
Author: OYT Magnus ( )

Your last sentence reaffirms what I said - they may not be able to logistically have the kids they want but it isn't because of some enlightened anti-biological tendency, they just can't afford to or can't get Laid or their Backlogs are too big.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509206)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:25 PM
Author: Junko Enoshima

I think we agree that people aren't declining to have kids because they're theorizing themselves into anti-natalism. And I think we also agree that economic realities are making raising children unattractive, even if a lot of adults aren't explicitly thinking in those terms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509212)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:22 PM
Author: spiritual hazmat suit (דירה בתחתונים)

The cats out of the bag

Women want to fuck and take as many loads in their holes as possible from monster dicked chads AND not deal with the repercussions of a it thanks to beta male provisioners making birth control technology

I don’t think a lot of people actually get the saying “she wants her cake and to eat it too” and what it actually means bc they have it now

And also more proof that not even women give a fuck about kids unless it’s to gain more resources or status

No one actually gives a fuck about their kids, men just want to coom nut in something like all other animals and women mostly hate their kids and just use them for whatever dumb birdbrain reason it is or to have power over something. Women are literally fucking retatarded children at all ages and any man telling you he loves the idea of “being a dad” that shit is honestly kindve gay and goes against nature everyone knows a dog with his balls intact wants to sniff around and wander

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509207)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:33 PM
Author: online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children

exaggerating for effect but yeah pretty much cr

in general, the modern-day moralization of children and reproduction is really cringe and totally made up cope. no one in human history ever thought that having children was a Moral Act. they just had sex and then didn't abort their kids because they were economically net positive value (as opposed to today, where they're massively economic net negative value)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509233)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:52 PM
Author: Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity

State the number of children you have sired and your annual income before I engage with you further.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509373)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:26 PM
Author: twitter links



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509216)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:23 PM
Author: Noah Tannenbaum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509210)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:15 PM
Author: Marshall W. Waller

what? no. Having kids is one eighty. Being alive is 120.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509191)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:15 PM
Author: prospero ano y luicidad (🧐)

I refuse to condemn anyone to be fucked in the head so it's not gonna happen for me but I would rather not waddle through the last 40 years of my life just waiting to die. Still seems like having kids is CR from a selfish perspective

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509195)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:20 PM
Author: nude gunner (gunneratttt)

almost no one regrets having kids, including oopsie kids early in life that tend to be very burdensome.

it's easy enough to abandon your kids. if the juice wasn't worth the squeeze you would.

people bitching about their kids is the same as people bitching about their wife. yeah, it's not all roses, and complaining can be cathartic, but you'd never give them up for adoption.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509202)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:22 PM
Author: Junko Enoshima

A lot of people feel trapped, even if they really aren't. People kill themselves because they had a bad day at work even though they could resign at any time. People commit murder because they want to leave their spouses but don't want to get divorced.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509209)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:58 PM
Author: nude gunner (gunneratttt)

that's fair. however those are also examples of extreme measures for easy-to-solve problems that aren't frequently employed for ordinary child stress. when a parent murder-suicides their kids it makes national news, which indicates that the regret from a bad job or marriage tends to be more extreme than kid stress.

i volunteer for severely developmentally disabled kids and have witnessed a lot of parents that *really* regret having kids. you rarely see that type of deep regret with ordinary kids. it does happen and i've seen parents that completely ghost their kids once they're 18, and you're right that just because they don't abandon them doesn't mean they don't have deep regret, but i think it's a lot rarer than OP is implying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509288)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:53 PM
Author: Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity

Not in America. What rice-based-diet country do you hail from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509377)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:24 PM
Author: Jobs

almost everything about this post is wrong. delete your account.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509211)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:33 PM
Author: prospero ano y luicidad (🧐)

"it's easy enough to abandon your kids. if the juice wasn't worth the squeeze you would."

I don't think that's true at all. People used to abandon families all the time when you could actually disappear, but there are pretty big legal and social incentives not to do so anymore. Walking out to get cigarettes and never coming back carries a pretty big social stigma and you actually have to pay for it now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509232)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:47 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,,.,


It is not a binary where you either regret it or not. If you had kids you’d understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509272)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:36 PM
Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth)

OK but it seems like most of the time the kids are more cr than the wife

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509352)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:26 PM
Author: Noah Tannenbaum

I don’t know if this explains it. But if you don’t have kids you are still a child no matter how old you get. There’s a level of the human experience you will never tap into.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509215)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:29 PM
Author: online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children

i used to think this too but the truth is that most people who have kids are still cognitively children. 'subhuman' if we're being less charitable

i do think this is true for more sophisticated actual human beings though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509224)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: twitter links

im ugly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509217)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children

kids are now a luxury good/status symbol if you're white

if you're brown you get free money from the state to have kids so it's meaningless

the whole situation is just really weird and evil and without precedent in human history

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509219)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:30 PM
Author: twitter links

Adolf Hitler praised ancient Sparta as the "foremost racial state in antiquity" and an ideological model for Nazi Germany. He explicitly cited Spartan practices, particularly their form of eugenics, as an example for the Third Reich's racial policies.

Key Points of Hitler's Views

Model "Racialist State": In his unpublished 1928 work Zweites Buch ("Second Book"), Hitler stated that Sparta should be regarded as "the first folkish state". The Nazis viewed the Spartans as a racially superior, closed-off, and highly militarized society that didn't allow "outsiders" in, which aligned with their own xenophobic and totalitarian ideals.

Eugenics and Infanticide: Hitler praised the Spartan practice of exposing sick, weak, or deformed infants to die, recommending in 1928 that Germany should imitate this policy to limit "the number allowed to live". He found this "a thousand times more humane than the wretched insanity of our day which preserves the most pathological subject". This admiration informed the Nazi eugenics program, which included the forced sterilization of hundreds of thousands of people.

Aryan Master Race: Nazi pseudo-historians and ideologues linked the ancient Dorians, who founded Sparta, with early Germanic peoples, incorporating them into their fabricated "Aryan" or "Nordic" master race narrative.

Militarism and Discipline: The Spartan focus on military training, extreme discipline, and self-sacrifice was heavily emphasized in Nazi elite schools, such as the Adolf Hitler Schools and National Political Educational Institutes (Napolas). Textbooks for boys in these schools used titles like "The Life-struggle of an Aryan master-race" to promote these ideals.

Enslavement of "Inferior" Races: The Spartans' systematic exploitation and enslavement of the Helots (a conquered, non-Dorian population) was seen by the Nazis as a blueprint for their own plans for Eastern Europe, where they intended to subjugate or eliminate the local Slavic populations to create Lebensraum (living space) for the "master race".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509230)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:37 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................


My mom seemed to regard us as a chore. My dad seemed to genuinely enjoy the fishing trips, little league games, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509247)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:37 PM
Author: Battle Diaper Alita

tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509249)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: nude idiot

not cr. having kids is the only worthwhile thing in life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509344)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:39 PM
Author: ..,.,.,.,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,,.,


I know a guy who used to say this a lot, he’s divorced now and his ex-wife got full custody

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509356)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:48 PM
Author: online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children

he probably still doesn't regret it all things considered though

a lot of parents complain about kids and maybe even occasionally fantasize about what life would be like without them, but very few would have preferred to have never had kids at all. you can tell because people very rarely abandon their children

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509369)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:39 PM
Author: '''''''""''

Yeah the CSLG affair has made me highly skeptical of any “ZOMG MY WIFE AND KIDS AND FAMILY ARE THOOOOOOO BLISSFULLY HAPPY AND GREAT” ostrich preening now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509467)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:58 PM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


this view seems to be very gradually winning out over time. i mean macrohistorically.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509391)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:58 PM
Author: Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity

I went to a Christmas party today at my country club with the kids and Santa and shit. Everyone there seemed happy as fuck, though I bet some people have financial stress or FOMO or something. But I can’t imagine being a 40 something and childless. I love my kids more than anything. And what the actual fuck would you do with your time if you were a childless 35-65 year old?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509392)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:03 PM
Author: prospero ano y luicidad (🧐)

Damn you sound happy as fuck, are you bros with CSLG who is also winning at life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509401)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:34 PM
Author: Jobs

Gamecube

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509459)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:35 PM
Author: online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children

this post is exactly like that crying wojak face with the smug wojak mask on top of the crying face

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509461)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:38 PM
Author: '''''''""''



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509465)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:51 PM
Author: constantscreen the great

Have brunch and play grabass with trannies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509484)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:03 PM
Author: resting bitch face

only rich people should have kids, I am not even lying.

you can hire day and night nannies, house keepers, au pairs, and chefs, then later give your kids horse riding lessons, private tutor to help with homework, summers in EU, sailing and fencing lessons, send them to the best school to do whatever the fuck they want because who cares they not gonna wagecuk anyway, and watch all this unfold over the next 20 years and only engage when they are clean and fed and watered and happy. Oh, what fun.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509400)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:36 PM
Author: UhOh

This. Bringing someone into wage slavery is awful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509462)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: Jobs

it's a moral and spiritual disaster. i would never forgive myself if i subjected another Soul to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509477)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 6:51 PM
Author: online megapoaster irl recluse with 100 children

the only thing more cringe than pretending like you had kids because it's Morally Good is pretending that you didn't have kids because it's Morally Bad

you didn't have kids because you didn't want them. no other reason. stop kidding yourself nigga it's cringe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810233&forum_id=2...id.#49509486)