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being a shitlawyer negotiating a discovery dispute with biglaw is humbling
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Date: August 18th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: Lake Public Bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194758) |
Date: August 18th, 2025 3:39 PM Author: Provocative lavender pit associate Why do you think that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194804) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 3:54 PM Author: Lake Public Bath I put a bunch of "blanket" objections in my responses. biglaw bro picked that shit apart, couldn't justify why I made many of them, felt like a huge bitch. Definitely learned a lot from the experience. |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 3:55 PM Author: glittery business firm idiot I’d liken it to natives, barbarians first contacting the vanguard of Empire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194843) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 3:56 PM Author: Chrome Talented Wrinkle International Law Enforcement Agency why did you put them in there in the first place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194845) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 3:59 PM Author: Lake Public Bath dunno man. been doing it for years and no one called me out for it....ever
a lot of it was like "we object to the extent that ......" kind of thing so I defended it as being "if" it became necessary we objected to whatever, even on responses where we did produce documents and/or answer the ROG. biglaw dude was like "uh huh" in like a "sure, little bro" kind of way |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:01 PM Author: Mauve orchestra pit old irish cottage How is that "humbling" bro? They do the exact same shit. Gibson Dunn stated twenty-three (23) "general objections" to our doc requests in the Frito case, and when I sent them a M&C letter citing a couple d.c. opinions that general objections are invalid, they were like, "okay, nevermind then." They also dropped 90% of the bullshit objections they made to specific requests.
Everyone does it. And no one knows why. |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:01 PM Author: glittery business firm idiot (Boudica) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194860) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:03 PM Author: Lake Public Bath what do I do here man, just let it all go? quite honestly we answered them and produced documents as well as we could
and by that, would I just issue amended responses removing the objections? |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: Mauve orchestra pit old irish cottage I'd just leave it, and if they ask, just say you withdrew those objections and produced everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194867) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:10 PM Author: appetizing demanding site therapy Do you even need to withdraw it because some “lawyer” asks you to? Last time someone asked us to withdraw I just sent the answers and ignored the withdrawal part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194879) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:21 PM Author: Mauve orchestra pit old irish cottage I expect different judges would rule differently, but especially if you put in writing that you've withdrawn objections X, Y, Z, I think most judges would be irritated if they brought a motion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194910) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 6:02 PM Author: Chrome Talented Wrinkle International Law Enforcement Agency if its that concerning just served amended responses and note that you produced all that was in your PCC in response to each RFP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49195148) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 11:46 PM Author: Ebony ticket booth corn cake does your jurisdiction still permit pistol duels? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196000) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 12:35 AM Author: curious costumed genital piercing No one knows why? The reason why is obvious. Because both parties want to serve requests that are as broad and painful as possible and then when they serve responses and objections to RFPs you have no clue what is going to turn up once you start reviewing documents. So you throw out a bunch of general stuff that will serve as the basis for negotiations or possibly for a later fight when you come across docs that are technically responsive but you don't want to produce. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196084) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 12:41 AM Author: dead toilet seat Wow I thought I was alone in thinking this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196095) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 8:05 AM Author: self-absorbed yellow circlehead a lot of shit in life, especially the law, is just following conventional wisdom. you're never "wrong" to do the thing everyone else does so few people risk deviating from it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196377) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:07 PM Author: Provocative lavender pit associate Blanket and boilerplate objections are shit. It isn't just biglaw that pushes back on them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194872) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:10 PM Author: Lake Public Bath did you miss the part of my OP where I admitted to being a shitlawyer?? probably one of the shittiest shitlawyers on xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194877) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 8:37 PM Author: naked den psychic Discovery is shit. It should be like the old days where a judge needed to authorize discovery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49195555) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 11:56 PM Author: Twisted travel guidebook son of senegal Now this is some outside the box thinking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196012) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 3:57 PM Author: appetizing demanding site therapy everything is arguably overly broad and unduly burdensome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194849) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 3:58 PM Author: glittery business firm idiot XO Alemanni doodikoff quivering as Cravath Legio X Superstratera approaches through the high pass to the sound of trumpets and rumble of armor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194854) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 4:03 PM Author: orchid parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49194861) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 9:43 PM Author: Grizzly adventurous gaming laptop church building Moar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49195710) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 12:53 AM Author: House-broken idea he suggested rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196119) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 12:08 AM Author: dead toilet seat and not narrowly tailored (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196026) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 8:48 PM Author: contagious dog poop trailer park Boilerplate objections are the bumblebee dance of our profession. Possibly are whole race.
Although if you start your discovery requests with a "definitions" and "instructions" section, I not-flame 100% support deporting you to CECOT. |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 12:10 AM Author: dead toilet seat I stopped doing it after gaming out the consequences of opposing counsel using some arcane definition of a common word to weasel out of giving me the goods. I wondered if they would see it as an opportunity to get wild and give responses that would be unimaginable if there were definitions and instructions at the top (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196030) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 12:36 AM Author: curious costumed genital piercing I have only been in maybe 15-20 litigations but I don't think I've ever been served Discovery without definitions and instructions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196088) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 9:55 PM Author: contagious dog poop trailer park It's totally fucking pointless and will net you a set of objections to the definitions and instructions themselves, including that they're going to be ignored and answered, INSTEAD, in keeping with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
Good luck ever winning a motion to compel where one of your "instructions" is necessary to secure your entitlement to the doc/answer. On the other hand, it'd be totally valid to withhold an item that would otherwise be called for by an RFP on the ground that your gay definition moved it outside of the RFP.
And more generally: judges think your definitions and instructions are faggier than brian boitano's walk-in closet. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2025 4:12 PM Author: ~~(> ' ' )> I routinely object to instructions that go beyond whatever rule governs the discovery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49204905) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 9:43 PM Author: Grizzly adventurous gaming laptop church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49195709) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 12:32 AM Author: black hyperactive legal warrant Litigation = kike kabuki (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49196081) |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 1:14 AM Author: dead toilet seat "This objection is not allowed in this jurisdiction"
*face turns beet red* |
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Date: August 19th, 2025 8:11 AM Author: Twisted travel guidebook son of senegal out the vault range of the firm. i was at a lower end biglaw firm (baker hostetler, as we all know), but i did notice that the quality of lawyering ranged from consistently decent to very good. i didn't see any absolutely retarded shit, except from the rainmaker who hired me. he is a legitimately incompetent lawyer but a great salesman and has a $12m+ book. but he didn't do any actual legal work, he just billed clients a bunch of 0.6 entries every day for shit he never did.
i think you'll find that even shitty biglaw firms like mine have lawyers who are at least "good." i'm sure mediocre lawyers are fairly rare in the v25 (but i bet they exist).
i'd been at jackson lewis before biglaw, and while that place had its share of really strong lawyers it had a bunch of actual retards. like legitimately stupid people.
i was in shitlaw for a few months after graduation and for like 8 months after getting barred. that was absolutely ghastly. i've seen it all, man.
actually, one thing that i did while in shitlaw was draft a motion to strike/for sanctions because another shitlawyer put a bunch of blanket affirmative defenses in an answer and refused to take them out. most of them made no sense. the court granted the motion to strike but not for sanctions. the maryland shitjudge had to look at the shitpapers in that case and just wonder "how did i wind up doing this with my fucking life"
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Date: August 19th, 2025 10:42 PM Author: deranged temple All the shitigators ITT should kill themselves. “Nuh uh you didn’t say the magic words” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5763710&forum_id=2...id.#49198785) |