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why is HAtp so aggressively stupid?

this fag is worse than Spaceporn
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wordcel
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poopy diaper
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wordcel
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hatp is not stupid. I think I can see where you are coming f...
The Penis
  09/08/26
This but unironically
wordcel
  09/08/26
Now do gunneratttt
wordcel
  09/08/26
Gunnerattt is almost the perfect poaster to create a sub-thr...
The Penis
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CR. Most of my subthread wastelands, particularly with hatp,...
$BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
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What do you think holds you back from, you know, stopping at...
wordcel
  09/08/26
Find me a single time I ever got the last word in with you? ...
$BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
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Lol you never walk away. You goad me into defending my posit...
wordcel
  09/08/26
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&mc=204&...
$BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
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I'm not reading this. I would never care to read this.
wordcel
  09/08/26
It's the Speed, Stupid.
Tall Man? Yes, you can!
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wordcel
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This reminds me of the Sam Harris Noam Chomsky email dispute...
wordcel
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You WOULD think of it that way. Gunner is doing airy abstrac...
The Penis
  09/08/26
I don't even understand the deep hypotheticals you two propo...
wordcel
  09/08/26
Thats what you aren't understanding. It's not "hypothet...
The Penis
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Why would I test a defense theory that counsel hasn't raised...
wordcel
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His concern was that you weren't trying to apply an objectiv...
The Penis
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https://youtu.be/-PQ1l6IRkQw Watch this and tell me this ...
wordcel
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This is making me think she is more guilty
The Penis
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180
wordcel
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I think not understanding yet responding with passionate scr...
$BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
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You: the moon is made of cheese Me: no it's not You: "...
wordcel
  09/08/26
High pathos, low logos
$BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
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If only we could all be as thuper thmart as you
wordcel
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You just agreed with him? I'm just framing the type of intel...
$BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
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does HAtp understand blackjack and card counting?
Metal Up Your Ass
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Tough but fair
Consuela
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*bestows upon The Penis an honorary degree in xo studies*
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Tall Man? Yes, you can!
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born that way
thinkin' about asians
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Consuela
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Who gives a fuck
John Doyle
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His religion is the Current Thing. The Current Thing is ver...
Consuela
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Awesome man did Nietzsche tell you that
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I don’t like or rely on nietzsche much, NSAM. Except ...
Consuela
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I'm not big on him either. I agree that the geneology is the...
The Penis
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I like cioran’s take, that Nietzsche’s whole ube...
Consuela
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every philosopher compensates for his own torment
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Consuela
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Someone just discovered Mencken
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I have a mencken book but have not read it yet. It’s ...
Consuela
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This take is Uninformed and relegated to the dustbin of hist...
wordcel
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how much time have you spent posting on this latest Current ...
Consuela
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Let normies be normies
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at least HAtp's perspective is coherent - worship the Curren...
Consuela
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Don't worry I'm sure the One Big Beautiful bill is going to ...
John Doyle
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case in point
Consuela
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Who doesn't like current events? What else is there to talk ...
wordcel
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Die
John Doyle
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how about try reading a book
Consuela
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No?
wordcel
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Consume current thing. Do not ask questions, continue to co...
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why do you talk about him so much? i don't follow any of thi...
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how do you even know who the op is?
The Penis
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i just want it to be known that HAtp and i text numerous tim...
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You're so lucky
The Penis
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i feel like this may be sarcasm. is it sarcasm?
andrew wilson and the proverbial jar of pickles
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No I'm serious
The Penis
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thanks!
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I paid Zurich $7000 to say this
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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:10 AM
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this fag is worse than Spaceporn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122191)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:08 PM
Author: / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /

Trump Restored American Safety and Sovereignty

1. He made the border a real border again.

In a matter of months, Trump reduced illegal border crossings to their lowest level in half a century. Catch-and-release is finished. The wall is going up and even being expanded, “Remain in Mexico” is back, and the Administration reduced releases into the country by an incredible 99.9 percent.

2. He reversed mass migration.

America recorded negative net migration in 2025 for the first time in at least half a century. So far, nearly 3 million illegal aliens have left the country, whether voluntarily or involuntarily: more than 675,000 forcibly deported and the rest “self-deported.”

Many of those self-deportations were facilitated by the President’s innovative program to offer plane tickets and cash bonuses for illegals to leave, not only incentivizing good behavior but significantly reducing the cost of deportations. Citizenship and the law actually mean something again.

3. He signed the Laken Riley Act — and required detention of criminal illegal aliens.

Named for an innocent girl murdered by an illegal alien, the Laken Riley Act requires federal authorities to detain illegals arrested for theft, burglary, shoplifting, assaulting police, or any crime causing death or serious injury. It also lets states sue officials who refuse to enforce it.

Laken Riley should still be alive. This law will prevent tragedies like hers.

4. History’s biggest drop in violent crime, and the lowest violent crime rate in 126 years.

According to FBI data, violent crime in America dropped an incredible 9.7 percent in 2025 — the largest one-year decline in history. Murder fell 18.1 percent, robbery fell 18.5 percent. And America’s violent crime rate is its lowest since 1900.

This is what happens when you put the National Guard on the streets in crime-ridden blue cities: fewer victims, safer streets, and better futures for America’s poorest.

Trump Launched an American Industrial Supercycle

5. He made the 2017 tax cuts permanent…and better.

The One Big Beautiful Bill locked in the largest tax cut in modern history, including the doubled standard deduction, the expanded Child Tax Credit, and 100 percent expensing for factories and equipment. It also delivered No Tax on Tips, No Tax on Overtime, an abolition of most taxes on Social Security benefits, and major relief for seniors.

Every Democrat voted no. With the 2017 act set to expire in December 2025, that would have resulted in the largest tax hike in American history.

6. He repealed 129 regulations for every new one.

In fiscal 2025, federal agencies finalized 646 deregulatory actions and just five regulatory actions: 129-to-1, and in nearly every case, the “one” was to repeal the others! OIRA says the savings exceeded those of Trump’s entire first term. That is more freedom, lower costs, and less bureaucratic sabotage.

Of these, the crown jewel was the repeal of Obama’s 2009 “Endangerment Finding”, the legal foundation for the Green New Scam’s vehicle mandates. EPA calls it the largest deregulatory action in American history and estimates that by itself, it will save Americans more than $1.3 trillion. Trump also killed the federal EV mandate, restored Americans’ freedom to buy the cars and trucks they actually want, and even eliminated the incentives behind the almost universally hated start-stop button.

7. He secured $18 trillion in announced investment commitments.

That’s nearly two-thirds the size of the entire American economy, building American factories, chip plants, data centers, energy projects, steel mills, shipyards, and supply chains employing American workers. Apple, Meta, NVIDIA, Micron, Hyundai, U.S. Steel, Ford, Taiwan Semiconductor, and many corporations and sovereign wealth funds are betting big on Trump’s America.

No President has ever done anything remotely like it. And it’s just getting started.

8. He made “reshoring” and “reindustrialization” real, not a slogan.

Ford is moving Lincoln production out of China. Toyota is shifting Tacoma production from Mexico to Texas. GM, Honda, Mercedes-Benz, Stellantis, and others are expanding U.S. production. The capital equipment pouring into the country is the machinery that’s building the growing boom.

9. He replaced lopsided trade deals with balanced, reciprocal trade.

Trump used tariffs as leverage to reverse 80 years of lopsided trade deals that favored everyone but America, and to win new or improved agreements with trading partners accounting for more than half of global GDP. Those agreements open foreign markets, attack non-tariff barriers, defend strategic industries, and make it more profitable to build in America than to export American jobs.

10. He shifted global energy dominance from the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of America.

Once the world’s largest energy importer — “exporting” $700 billion a year to our enemies — America now outproduces Saudi Arabia and Russia combined. The U.S. is also setting new records in oil, natural gas, and LNG exports, becoming the first country ever to export more than 100 million metric tons of LNG in a year.

Trump also opened land, accelerated permits, expanded pipelines and export terminals, and made American energy a tool for prosperity and peace.

11. After four decades of nuclear paralysis, Trump brought five new reactors online in a single year.

For more than 40 years, not one new privately developed non-light-water reactor reached criticality in America. Trump ordered at least three by July 4, 2026. DOE delivered four by the deadline, then a fifth just one month later.

Decades of zero. One Trump summer: five. That is a genuine nuclear renaissance.

Trump Made Elections Matter Again

12. He broke the Deep State’s power to defy the elected branches.

In Trump v. Slaughter, the Supreme Court ruled for the first time in 90 years that Article 2, Section 1 is still part of the Constitution: the President may fire subordinate officials in the executive branch, overturning the 1935 precedent that insulated “independent” agencies from voters’ control.

Ever wonder why elections often seem to change nothing? How about one President and 5,000 political appointees vs. 2.8 million unfireable, unaccountable bureaucrats? THAT is the “Deep State”.

Trump then made that victory real. For the first time in a century, all policy-making bureaucrats can now be fired for misconduct, incompetence, or defying lawful directives. The permanent bureaucracy no longer gets to veto the voters.

13. He ended nationwide injunction abuse.

In Trump v. CASA, the Supreme Court sharply limited nationwide injunctions. A single, local, district judge should not be able to block a national policy for everyone, everywhere; and yet that’s exactly what they’ve done, nonstop, ever since Trump (and only Trump) took office in 2017.

In restricting that unconstitutional power, the Court kneecapped the Black Robe Bureaucracy’s favorite tool of unlawful judicial supremacy.

14. He shut down USAID as a left-wing slush fund and shadow government.

USAID had become a taxpayer-funded machine for exporting abortion, gender ideology, censorship, and left-wing politics. It had a bigger budget than the CIA and the State Department combined, absolutely no accountability whatsoever, and a penchant for overthrowing governments.

Trump terminated it — completely — and moved real humanitarian aid under the State Department. Immediately, seven socialist Latin American governments lost re-election. Coincidence?

15. He shrank Federal employment to its lowest level in 60 years.

From a high under Biden, the federal workforce is now its smallest since 1966. Workforce reductions, agency closures, and spending cancellations mean fewer bureaucrats paid to resist the voters.

What’s more, when Biden left office, 94 percent of federal employees “worked” from home. The Trump administration cracked down: as Elon Musk put it, “you can work from the office or you can pretend to work somewhere else.”

16. He expelled DEI from the federal government.

Trump eliminated federal DEI offices and barred race- and sex-based preferences across the executive branch. Government hiring and contracting are returning to merit and equality under the law, ending the grotesque Democrat idea that “fighting discrimination” requires the federal government to discriminate.

He Defended Faith and Family

17. He delivered sweeping pro-life reform.

In his first term, Trump delivered the judges that overturned the abominable Roe v. Wade. Hardly anyone believed it could be done, or that Trump would do it. But he did, and a half-century nightmare finally ended.

Since returning to office, Trump has enforced the Hyde Amendment prohibiting the use of federal funds to pay for abortions, reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy prohibiting federal funding of foreign abortions, ended federal fetal-tissue research, strengthened conscience protections, protected Medicaid from funding large abortion providers, and pardoned 23 pro-life activists prosecuted by Biden’s weaponized Justice Department.

He’s also done everything within the Executive Branch’s power to defund Planned Parenthood. It would be nice if Congress did likewise.

No President has ever done more to protect life. No one.

18. He got men out of women’s sports, and restored biological reality to federal policy.

The United States government once again officially recognizes two sexes: male and female. Trump ended federal support for the chemical and surgical gender mutilation of children, stopped taxpayer funding of such irreversible abominations, and forced more than three dozen health systems to end or suspend their programs as well.

Trump also enforced Title IX as written: women and girls deserve their own teams, trophies, scholarships, and locker rooms. The NCAA and other athletic organizations changed their rules in response. After years of Democrats doing everything they could to destroy women’s sports and ruin girls’ lives, Trump’s administration protects women and girls again.

19. He enacted America’s first nationwide school-choice program — and launched Trump Accounts.

As part of the President’s One Big Beautiful Bill, Trump enacted America’s first-ever nationwide school choice program. The new Education Freedom Tax Credit helps fund scholarships for tuition, books, and other educational costs.

That’s on top of the new Trump Accounts, which give every child a tax-advantaged stake in America’s future, including a $1,000 federal seed for eligible newborns. Parents gain power. Bureaucracies lose it. And children learn first-hand about free markets and future orientation.

20. He targeted anti-Christian bias and discrimination.

Trump created the White House Faith Office, Religious Liberty Commission, and Task Force to Eradicate Anti-Christian Bias. He restored conscience protections and made clear that Christians do not surrender their First Amendment rights merely by entering public life.

He Restored Peace Through Strength and Put America First

21. He forced NATO to stop freeloading and increase defense spending by 250 percent.

For decades, wealthy European governments underfunded their militaries, effectively sending America the bill and using American taxpayers to subsidize their bloated welfare states. Trump forced NATO to replace its old two-percent-of-GDP spending target with an enormous five percent by 2035.

Allied spending is rising, American defense orders are soaring, and Europe is becoming a partner instead of a dependent.

22. He drove China out of the Caribbean.

China spent years building strategic beachheads at both ends of the Panama Canal, in Cuba, and in Maduro’s Venezuela. Trump forced Panama out of Belt and Road, expanded American security access around the Canal, and captured Maduro, who now sits in a New York jail cell awaiting trial.

Beijing’s planned encirclement of the United States collapsed. The Monroe Doctrine is back. Call it the Donroe Doctrine.

23. He brokered eight peace deals in just eight months.

In eight months, Trump brokered peace in eight conflicts spanning four continents, including wars that had gone on for as much as 40 years. It’s a record unmatched by any other President.

24. He launched and funded Golden Dome, the first-ever true missile defense for the U.S. population.

Ronald Reagan dreamed of making nuclear missiles obsolete through his Strategic Defense Initiative. Today, Trump is actually building it: a layered homeland shield with space-based sensors and interceptors, conventional defenses, and new technologies including microwave systems to destroy drone swarms and directed-energy weapons (yes, lasers) that can replace an $11 million missile with $2 of electricity.

Congress has funded the initial $25 billion, with far more on the way once it passes the NDAA this fall. Better a shield than a sword.

25. He restored the warrior ethos — and reversed the recruiting crisis.

After years of missed targets under Biden, every active military component met or exceeded its 2025 recruiting goal. Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth refocused the newly renamed Department of War on actually winning wars, while pouring resources into shipbuilding, munitions, drones, missile defense, and America’s atrophied industrial base.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122539)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:10 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122192)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:12 AM
Author: Tall Man? Yes, you can! (🧐)

poopy diaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122194)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:13 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122199)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:19 AM
Author: The Penis

hatp is not stupid. I think I can see where you are coming from with "aggressive stupidity" and the SP comparison, although it's a really limited analogy. HaTP is someone that is really outspoken and aggressive about his opinions. He is also effusive and his level of verbal fluidity doesn't match his often poor logical reasoning skills and abstraction discipline. But he isn't stupid by any means, it is just a different kind of intelligence than you see with engineers and aspie lawyers who aced the lsat. Spaceporn is also really aggressive about his opinions and often makes logical reasoning errors that don't really match his level of education. But spaceporn is also abrasive and lacks the social awareness hatp has. He also isn't nearly as verbose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122226)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:20 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

This but unironically

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122228)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:22 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

Now do gunneratttt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122233)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:45 AM
Author: The Penis

Gunnerattt is almost the perfect poaster to create a sub-thread wasteland when encountering hatp. Gunnerattt’s style is to lock onto a proposition, abstract it, test consistency, and keep pressing until the other person answers that exact proposition. HAtp’s style is more associative and rhetorical he argues from the total feel of the facts, shifts emphasis as new points come up, and is very comfortable reframing the dispute around what seems practically or intuitively compelling. On top of that, hatp is aggressively opinionated and gunner is unusually persistent. So hatp's verbal fluency can make a weak inference sound stronger than it is, while gunnerattt’s persistence can make a valid distinction sound pedantic or obsessive. Then each person interprets the other’s failure in the worst possible way resulting in day long sub-threads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122298)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:51 AM
Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt)

CR. Most of my subthread wastelands, particularly with hatp, never even get to the substance. I get frustrated when someone won't engage and keeps retreating to nonsequiturs, and I persist beyond sensibility in trying to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122313)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:55 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

What do you think holds you back from, you know, stopping at the point where most people know to stop arguing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122333)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:07 AM
Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt)

Find me a single time I ever got the last word in with you? What happens is that a walk away and then you bait me back by mischaractetizing or straight up inventing what my position is.

Look at the Clancy thread. I responded to the Penis, you replied to that with something irrelevent, I tried to get you to understand and engage with what my OP was saying, gave up, and then ignored and avoided reengaging when you mischaracterized my position.

Now you're dredging up another argument by referencing me specifically and claiming I don't let things go, despite the fact you spent the entire weekend screeding, and on our brief subthread I walked away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122392)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:13 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

Lol you never walk away. You goad me into defending my positions way beyond the point where I want to keep engaging. If we argue for 7 hours and you 'walk away' finally you didn't really walk away. Your entire shtick is 'I'll never be satisfied with your opinions until you agree with everything I say.' It literally doesn't matter what the debate is about, you take extreme offense to me not agreeing with you. And you have a thousand times the capacity to keep arguing about it forever than 99.999% of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122403)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:15 AM
Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt)

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&mc=204&forum_id=2#50117855

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122408)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:15 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

I'm not reading this. I would never care to read this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122409)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:08 AM
Author: Tall Man? Yes, you can! (🧐)

It's the Speed, Stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122395)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:54 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122328)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:00 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

This reminds me of the Sam Harris Noam Chomsky email dispute. Sam kept trying to get Chomsky to agree that our military endeavors in Africa were still morally good because we supposedly don't try to kill people if we can avoid it and we always have the greater good in mind. Chomsky kept reminding Harris that all the evidence pointed to our malicious behavior and it didn't matter at all if we had high minded morals when we did it. That's just like us, gunner hypothesizes something lofty and I remind him about the facts over and over.

Just like how gunner denies that I engage with the substance, Harris brow-beat Chomsky with the idea that in order for their email debate to continue, Chomsky had to concede Harris' entire point of view.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122360)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:36 AM
Author: The Penis

You WOULD think of it that way. Gunner is doing airy abstraction, you're the guy dragging him back to concrete reality. This is how people who are heavily particularist and concrete in their reasoning always see it. Problem is that in the Clancy thread that description is almost backwards in a sense. Gunner’s point was not “lofty” in the sense of being detached from facts. It was a pretty ordinary consistency test. Asking what feature of Clancy’s mental state makes her nonculpable, and would you apply that same principle to other defendants with the same legally relevant impairment? You kept responding with facts that did not answer that question. When you say “I remind him about the facts over and over,” the problem is that facts can be irrelevant to the particular proposition being disputed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122463)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:40 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

I don't even understand the deep hypotheticals you two propose. I really believe you should be directed to the French Court of Cassation where they argue hypothetical cases. There's a time and a place for cases that don't exist, and it's not here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122475)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:44 AM
Author: The Penis

Thats what you aren't understanding. It's not "hypothetical cases that don't exist". It's how to logically apply structure and invariants across cases in a way thats internally logically consistent. You're treating “hypothetical” as though it means inventing a fake concrete case and asking a court to adjudicate it. The hypothetical is functioning as a test of the rule already being applied to the real case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122488)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:47 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

Why would I test a defense theory that counsel hasn't raised?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122497)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:01 PM
Author: The Penis

His concern was that you weren't trying to apply an objective principle to the question of whether she could understand what she was doing wrong even if she had psychosis. That you were just doing it based on testimony that made her seem sympathetic to you, probably because she's a woman and you feel bad for her. Do you want to live in a world with unfalsifiable insanity pleas?

In massachusetts once you have a defendant with a real psychiatric history and enough evidence to raise the issue, the decisive facts can become extremely hard to falsify. The Commonwealth then has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant retained the relevant capacities. In the clancy case there were really two evidentiary claims, the much more corroborated one that she was mentally ill and suicidal, and then the much more specific claim that could actually exculpate her, the psychotic and delusional state surrounding the killings, including the command hallucination, which depended heavily on retrospective self-report.

Suppose she says afterward that at that moment she heard a voice commanding her, and her delusional state was such that she couldn't appreciate that it was wrong. How exactly does the Commonwealth disprove that internal event beyond a reasonable doubt? And if the command hallucination meets the standard for not appreciating wrongfulness, then why not other intense emotional states? That's why it isn't even that crazy to say if you applied this type of thinking across the board you'd have to let off 90% of killers.

That is more relevant to the case than most of the other "facts" and "evidence" you were bringing up, which is mostly just noise that makes the case more murky. What the actual case rests on is applying the standard correctly regarding whether she could appreciate wrongfulness. If she could then she is guilty regardless of whether her friends said she was nice, or one doctor says her alleged reports of delusions could hypothetically have happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122521)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:17 PM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

https://youtu.be/-PQ1l6IRkQw

Watch this and tell me this defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122570)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:20 PM
Author: The Penis

This is making me think she is more guilty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122578)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:22 PM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122590)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:44 AM
Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt)

I think not understanding yet responding with passionate screeds anyway is what OP means by "aggressively stupid."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122489)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:49 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

You: the moon is made of cheese

Me: no it's not

You: "but it's NOT made of cheese!" durrrrrr you're so obtuse you have no ability to conceptualize you retarded chimpanzee!

me: 😑

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122501)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:26 AM
Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt)

High pathos, low logos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122251)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:34 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

If only we could all be as thuper thmart as you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122270)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:44 AM
Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt)

You just agreed with him? I'm just framing the type of intelligence, or at least argumentative style, he described.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122297)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:29 AM
Author: Metal Up Your Ass

does HAtp understand blackjack and card counting?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122442)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:25 AM
Author: Consuela

Tough but fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122247)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:16 AM
Author: Debunked antisemitic trope

*bestows upon The Penis an honorary degree in xo studies*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122411)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:17 AM
Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122415)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:17 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122417)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:42 AM
Author: Tall Man? Yes, you can! (🧐)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122480)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:19 AM
Author: thinkin' about asians (🤔)

born that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122420)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:37 AM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122470)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:37 AM
Author: John Doyle

Who gives a fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122469)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:42 AM
Author: Consuela

His religion is the Current Thing. The Current Thing is very exciting and important to him. He is not a systematic thinker so he contradicts himself regularly and is led by an underlying erratic emotionalism which loves attention. He is a woman and should use a tampon and wear a bra

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122478)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:43 AM
Author: John Doyle

Awesome man did Nietzsche tell you that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122484)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:44 AM
Author: Consuela

I don’t like or rely on nietzsche much, NSAM. Except I like his geneology of morality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122492)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: The Penis

I'm not big on him either. I agree that the geneology is the best example of his most mature thought, and think it is much more defensible than some of his other work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122498)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:50 AM
Author: Consuela

I like cioran’s take, that Nietzsche’s whole ubermench shtick was a compensation for Nietzsche himself being such a pathetic weakling / sickling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122506)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:54 AM
Author: John Doyle

every philosopher compensates for his own torment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122509)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:05 PM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122530)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:49 AM
Author: John Doyle

Someone just discovered Mencken

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122500)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:50 AM
Author: Consuela

I have a mencken book but have not read it yet. It’s low on my priority list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122503)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 11:51 AM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

This take is Uninformed and relegated to the dustbin of history

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122507)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:03 PM
Author: Consuela

how much time have you spent posting on this latest Current Thing (the Clancy murders)? how much time have you devoted to other topics?

the answer is self evident. you're done here, the Current Thing is your God. you worship it with your attention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122526)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:09 PM
Author: John Doyle

Let normies be normies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122547)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:10 PM
Author: Consuela

at least HAtp's perspective is coherent - worship the Current Thing. your perspective is schizophrenic mush

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122556)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:15 PM
Author: John Doyle

Don't worry I'm sure the One Big Beautiful bill is going to pass any day now pal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122567)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:19 PM
Author: Consuela

case in point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122577)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:15 PM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

Who doesn't like current events? What else is there to talk about?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122569)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:17 PM
Author: John Doyle

Die

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122572)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:22 PM
Author: Consuela

how about try reading a book

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122584)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:23 PM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

No?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122592)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:42 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,.


Consume current thing. Do not ask questions, continue to consume, goy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122634)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:06 PM
Author: .,.,.;;,;.,;:,:,,:,.,:,::,..;.,:,.:;.:.,;.:.,:.::,


why do you talk about him so much? i don't follow any of this bort drama shtick and this doesn't even seem like drama. i couldn't even honestly say what his moniker is right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122534)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:08 PM
Author: The Penis

how do you even know who the op is?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122544)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:10 PM
Author: andrew wilson and the proverbial jar of pickles ((zurich is stained))

i just want it to be known that HAtp and i text numerous times each day and i don't know his irl name. i like him, he's my friend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122555)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:10 PM
Author: The Penis

You're so lucky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122558)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:11 PM
Author: andrew wilson and the proverbial jar of pickles ((zurich is stained))

i feel like this may be sarcasm. is it sarcasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122560)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:11 PM
Author: The Penis

No I'm serious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122561)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:14 PM
Author: andrew wilson and the proverbial jar of pickles ((zurich is stained))

thanks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122564)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:19 PM
Author: wordcel (Prestige Feuds)

I paid Zurich $7000 to say this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122576)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:26 PM
Author: andrew wilson and the proverbial jar of pickles ((zurich is stained))



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122602)



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Date: September 8th, 2026 12:38 PM
Author: grrr women grrrrrrrrrr



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901539&forum_id=2...id.#50122630)