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can i get a gaming PC <$800?

just something that can play the new games well for the next...
Talented Aqua Friendly Grandma Theater Stage
  05/15/13
willing to build? http://lifehacker.com/5840963/the-best-...
Henna personal credit line resort
  05/15/13
cr. That is basically what I have hooked up to my plasma rig...
thriller den fortuitous meteor
  05/15/13
i probably could build one. ive never tried though. what are...
Talented Aqua Friendly Grandma Theater Stage
  05/15/13
geforce titan on sli or radeon HD7990 on crossfirex is the b...
Trip Dilemma Idiot
  05/15/13
No way I would skip the SSD. You can get better deals on...
Stimulating Costumed Piazza
  05/15/13
the SSD will speed up game loading, but it will not speed up...
confused sanctuary giraffe
  05/15/13
this looks helpful too http://www.logicalincrements.com/
Henna personal credit line resort
  05/15/13
just booked marked this ty
Talented Aqua Friendly Grandma Theater Stage
  05/15/13
tyvmft
Cracking useless therapy sex offender
  05/15/13
180
crawly outnumbered degenerate
  05/15/13
180
geriatric hell
  05/15/13
this is awesome.
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
yes. http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
Azure arrogant feces parlor
  05/15/13
ya cop a thinkpad
Translucent Kitchen Ladyboy
  05/15/13
You can build a very decent one for $800
Stimulating Costumed Piazza
  05/15/13
It will play them, but not well. Graphics card will limit y...
Disrespectful vigorous field
  05/15/13
lol
Translucent Kitchen Ladyboy
  05/15/13
You can get a GTX 560 pretty cheap, ~$150 right now.
Insane stain meetinghouse
  05/15/13
just fyi op, this is flame
Stimulating Costumed Piazza
  05/15/13
Not flame. First, games 2-3 years from now (as OP is co...
Disrespectful vigorous field
  05/15/13
spending 500 on a graphics card at this point in time is use...
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
I agree, but OP should factor that into his budget. As to...
Disrespectful vigorous field
  05/15/13
Why do you believe this? Nowadays you can easily still play ...
Erotic National
  05/15/13
dx11 is shit though. Really eats into performance and provid...
thriller den fortuitous meteor
  05/15/13
Of course you can play them. The question was play them wel...
Disrespectful vigorous field
  05/15/13
Meh I've always been a power user more concerned about gamep...
Erotic National
  05/15/13
I sort of agree with competitive games like SC2, but with an...
Disrespectful vigorous field
  05/15/13
Bioshock graphics are cartoony shit.
thriller den fortuitous meteor
  05/15/13
lol no
Cracking useless therapy sex offender
  05/15/13
good answers in this thread guys. ill probably build and upg...
Talented Aqua Friendly Grandma Theater Stage
  05/15/13
eh, you can get close. nvidia 660 graphics (200) + decent i7...
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
I7 is overkill for gaming. No real advantage over a quad cor...
thriller den fortuitous meteor
  05/15/13
yeah fair point. my bad.
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
Best value graphics card out there right now? EDIT: ALso,...
Cracking useless therapy sex offender
  05/15/13
Don't even worry about 2 unless you are building a $2k+ supe...
Stimulating Costumed Piazza
  05/15/13
gtx 660 for 200. anything less is not worth getting a gaming...
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
Is this advice the same for dual CPUs?
Cracking useless therapy sex offender
  05/15/13
lol @ dual cpus. You won't even max out one ivy bridge.
thriller den fortuitous meteor
  05/15/13
i assume you mean dual core cpus? no. quad core or duo core ...
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
Nah, 7850 is good too and a better deal around $150 AR Ga...
Stimulating Costumed Piazza
  05/15/13
yeah this might be a better choice if trying to save 50 buck...
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
The difference between 7850 and 7870 is significant and easi...
thriller den fortuitous meteor
  05/15/13
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150...
thriller den fortuitous meteor
  05/15/13
dual cards isn't something you want to do unless you know wh...
Azure arrogant feces parlor
  05/15/13
I got mine a year ago, with monitor, for $1100, plays Skyrim...
very tactful big-titted windowlicker
  05/15/13
also a good route.
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
a decent gfx card will be $200 alone so probably not imo
geriatric hell
  05/15/13
OP don't go cheap on the power supply. Buy at least a corsai...
thriller den fortuitous meteor
  05/15/13
Easily. My current machine cost like $500 and I play everyth...
Erotic National
  05/15/13
(guy playing crysis 3 on ultra low) games now are playabl...
Alcoholic mexican
  05/15/13
Buy from Velocity Micro. Always been pleased with my purchas...
Unholy boyish step-uncle's house
  05/15/13
Gaming bros: $599 27" dell monitor today only: http...
Disrespectful vigorous field
  05/15/13
spent $450 on a gaming rig i built myself very doable if ...
orchid cocky brunch
  09/20/23
budget gaming rig runs diablo 4 PERFECTLY despite a 10 year ...
orchid cocky brunch
  10/18/23
link to $800ish build that can run latest video game on medi...
Racy public bath
  10/18/23
you dont need ANYWHERE near $800 if you have at least a coup...
orchid cocky brunch
  10/18/23
LMAO@ how all prices got JACKED UP pre-cyber monday
orchid cocky brunch
  10/24/23
...
orchid cocky brunch
  10/29/23
...
orchid cocky brunch
  11/23/23
lmao@ tards buying anything today
nyuug
  12/28/25


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Date: May 15th, 2013 1:56 PM
Author: Talented Aqua Friendly Grandma Theater Stage

just something that can play the new games well for the next few years. recommendations?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203602)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 1:59 PM
Author: Henna personal credit line resort

willing to build?

http://lifehacker.com/5840963/the-best-pcs-you-can-build-for-600-and-1200

do the 1200 but get a slightly slower processor, skip the SSD, and spend 200 on a graphics card

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203621)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:04 PM
Author: thriller den fortuitous meteor

cr. That is basically what I have hooked up to my plasma right now. I did radeon 7870 w/ ssd and 3tb hdd for storage. Games like whoa.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203648)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:04 PM
Author: Talented Aqua Friendly Grandma Theater Stage

i probably could build one. ive never tried though. what are the best video cards?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203649)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:25 PM
Author: Trip Dilemma Idiot

geforce titan on sli or radeon HD7990 on crossfirex is the best but the video cards alone are $2000.

i use a hd7970 which is decent at $300ish which i got on a sale.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204080)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:08 PM
Author: Stimulating Costumed Piazza

No way I would skip the SSD.

You can get better deals on all these parts. Check slickdeals

Agree 200 is enough for gfx

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203679)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:13 PM
Author: confused sanctuary giraffe

the SSD will speed up game loading, but it will not speed up gameplay because dat shit cached in RAM yo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204014)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:00 PM
Author: Henna personal credit line resort

this looks helpful too

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203627)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:23 PM
Author: Talented Aqua Friendly Grandma Theater Stage

just booked marked this ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203748)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:31 PM
Author: Cracking useless therapy sex offender

tyvmft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203791)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:11 PM
Author: crawly outnumbered degenerate

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204007)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:36 PM
Author: geriatric hell

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204213)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:51 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

this is awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204298)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:01 PM
Author: Azure arrogant feces parlor

yes.

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203630)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:02 PM
Author: Translucent Kitchen Ladyboy

ya cop a thinkpad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203633)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:04 PM
Author: Stimulating Costumed Piazza

You can build a very decent one for $800

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203650)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:06 PM
Author: Disrespectful vigorous field

It will play them, but not well. Graphics card will limit you to lower resolutions/quality. You need to drop $500 on graphics card alone to play at even a somewhat pedestrian 1920x1080.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203659)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:06 PM
Author: Translucent Kitchen Ladyboy

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203663)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:21 PM
Author: Insane stain meetinghouse

You can get a GTX 560 pretty cheap, ~$150 right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203743)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:23 PM
Author: Stimulating Costumed Piazza

just fyi op, this is flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203745)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:38 PM
Author: Disrespectful vigorous field

Not flame.

First, games 2-3 years from now (as OP is considering) will require at least 2x the graphics horsepower. Second, even looking at current games, you need a ~GTX670 to maintain 60fps at 1920x1080 without turning down the graphics settings:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/04/23/bioshock-infinite-performance/4



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203832)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:42 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

spending 500 on a graphics card at this point in time is useless for almost everybody. the difference between high and ultra high on bioshock is essentially non existent. and when the time comes that something like the 660 cant play a new game on medium, he can just spend another 200 to get whatever the mid level card is 2-3 years from now, and he still comes out ahead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203843)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:51 PM
Author: Disrespectful vigorous field

I agree, but OP should factor that into his budget.

As to Bioshock (great game, btw) the difference between High and Very High is quite large, IMO. You're right that Ultra doesn't add much though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203891)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:59 PM
Author: Erotic National

Why do you believe this? Nowadays you can easily still play today's games with old computers. This isn't 1998-2003 anymore when games were pushing the limits of hardware. I think a lot of games are intentionally built with older computers in mind just so they can maximize the market for the games.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203949)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:02 PM
Author: thriller den fortuitous meteor

dx11 is shit though. Really eats into performance and provides almost no benefits in terms of visual appeal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203958)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:07 PM
Author: Disrespectful vigorous field

Of course you can play them. The question was play them well. If you don't care about graphics quality then don't spend a lot on a graphics card.

But to me, the graphics add a lot and I'm willing to pay, especially in games like Skyrim and Bioshock.

If you played Skyrim on some low/medium setting back in the day and recently upgraded your system, fire it back up on Ultra + high res texture pack. It really does change the experience, IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203983)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:12 PM
Author: Erotic National

Meh I've always been a power user more concerned about gameplay than graphics. Even if my card can handle it (which normally it can) I will often turn off all the special effects because they make the game harder to play (less field of vision, can trick you, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204009)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:14 PM
Author: Disrespectful vigorous field

I sort of agree with competitive games like SC2, but with an RPG immersion is key. Can't wait for Oculus Rift.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204022)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:12 PM
Author: thriller den fortuitous meteor

Bioshock graphics are cartoony shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204013)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:25 PM
Author: Cracking useless therapy sex offender

lol

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203760)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:15 PM
Author: Talented Aqua Friendly Grandma Theater Stage

good answers in this thread guys. ill probably build and upgrade the video card at some point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203721)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:23 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

eh, you can get close. nvidia 660 graphics (200) + decent i7 processor (250ish) + mobo/fan/powersupply/case (200-250 for some combos) + hard drive (75) + ram (50) brings you around 800. also going to need keyboard and mouse, so you can tack on another 50 there, and another 50 if you want a bluray/dve drive. so youre at 900ish. another 130 or so for a decent cheap monitor. obviously if you have a disk drive or peripherals lying around you can do it for 800.

(edit: oh yeah, you'll need windows)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203750)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:34 PM
Author: thriller den fortuitous meteor

I7 is overkill for gaming. No real advantage over a quad core i5.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203802)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:54 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

yeah fair point. my bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204309)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:28 PM
Author: Cracking useless therapy sex offender

Best value graphics card out there right now?

EDIT: ALso, can someone explain to me the benefits of two graphic cards as opposed to only one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203776)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:32 PM
Author: Stimulating Costumed Piazza

Don't even worry about 2 unless you are building a $2k+ super rig.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203795)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:33 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

gtx 660 for 200. anything less is not worth getting a gaming computer. 660 will let you play on high but not on ultra high, and is the best youll get without jumping to the 400 dollar range.

and yeah, as other guy said, dont worry about dual cards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203796)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:34 PM
Author: Cracking useless therapy sex offender

Is this advice the same for dual CPUs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203807)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:35 PM
Author: thriller den fortuitous meteor

lol @ dual cpus. You won't even max out one ivy bridge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203813)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:38 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

i assume you mean dual core cpus? no. quad core or duo core is worth it. at the very least make sure youre getting the latest generation of intel processors (ivy bridge) if you go the intel route. in your scenario you probably wont be bottlenecking with the cpu whether you go with i5 or i7...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203830)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:36 PM
Author: Stimulating Costumed Piazza

Nah, 7850 is good too and a better deal around $150 AR

Game settings depends on game and resolution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203819)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:47 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

yeah this might be a better choice if trying to save 50 bucks. wont really lose much.

as for the settings thing, was just trying to provide some context for the average joe who is comparing these 2 cards and the 300-400 dollar ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203867)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:53 PM
Author: thriller den fortuitous meteor

The difference between 7850 and 7870 is significant and easily worth $60, which is the cost of one game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203902)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:34 PM
Author: thriller den fortuitous meteor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150605

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203809)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:36 PM
Author: Azure arrogant feces parlor

dual cards isn't something you want to do unless you know what are you doing. modern single cards are more than powerful enough at the price-points you will be at.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203825)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:37 PM
Author: very tactful big-titted windowlicker

I got mine a year ago, with monitor, for $1100, plays Skyrim on max, haven't tried anything newer. www.ibuypower.com is about as cheap as building it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203826)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:10 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

also a good route.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204000)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:47 PM
Author: geriatric hell

a decent gfx card will be $200 alone so probably not imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203875)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:56 PM
Author: thriller den fortuitous meteor

OP don't go cheap on the power supply. Buy at least a corsair for $45 if you aren't shelling out for a seasonic. You don't want to fry your $800 computer because you tried to save $20 on a psu.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203926)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 2:57 PM
Author: Erotic National

Easily. My current machine cost like $500 and I play everything I want with no problems. Hardware is so far ahead of software these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23203932)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:11 PM
Author: Alcoholic mexican

(guy playing crysis 3 on ultra low)

games now are playable because of how old the current console gen is. 12 months from now youre gonna want a better computer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204006)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 3:14 PM
Author: Unholy boyish step-uncle's house

Buy from Velocity Micro. Always been pleased with my purchases from them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23204020)



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Date: May 15th, 2013 5:48 PM
Author: Disrespectful vigorous field

Gaming bros:

$599 27" dell monitor today only:

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/95182/dell-small-business-27-dell-ultrasharp-u2711-sips-2560x1440-lcd-monitor-w-premiercolor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#23205021)



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Date: September 20th, 2023 5:09 AM
Author: orchid cocky brunch

spent $450 on a gaming rig i built myself

very doable if you are reusing old parts - moved my rx 570 over so that cut costs in half, for example

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#46819967)



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Date: October 18th, 2023 2:41 AM
Author: orchid cocky brunch

budget gaming rig runs diablo 4 PERFECTLY despite a 10 year old video card

cyber monday 2023 gonna be 18000000000000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#46949750)



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Date: October 18th, 2023 3:06 AM
Author: Racy public bath

link to $800ish build that can run latest video game on medium low settings i nee dbuy all . or any great deals u find. is slickdeals still aliev?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#46949766)



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Date: October 18th, 2023 3:13 AM
Author: orchid cocky brunch

you dont need ANYWHERE near $800 if you have at least a couple parts on your current system you will re-use

basically you just need to consider mobo+cpu combo and everything else doesnt really matter, you can adjust however you want

prices rock bottomed earlier this year and have crept up pre-cyber monday. DO NOT BUY anything yet, e.g. a 2tb ssd i bought for 65 usd is now DOUBLE:

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2430661&forum_id=2#46768828

you can catch my system specs in the same thread

EDIT - just calculated that $450 in korean won is actually 333 USD LMAO!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#46949769)



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Date: October 24th, 2023 3:10 AM
Author: orchid cocky brunch

LMAO@ how all prices got JACKED UP pre-cyber monday



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#46974965)



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Date: October 29th, 2023 11:41 PM
Author: orchid cocky brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2256745&forum_id=2...id.#46997571)



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Date: November 23rd, 2023 11:48 PM
Author: orchid cocky brunch



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Date: December 28th, 2025 9:49 PM
Author: nyuug

lmao@ tards buying anything today

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