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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Flatulent Dilemma
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Blathering lay hairy legs
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Fantasy-prone canary spot
  06/15/18
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bronze excitant church building codepig
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
beady-eyed locale shitlib
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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  10/06/21
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Flatulent Dilemma
  02/12/22
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Coprophilia Johnny
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Deep wonderful striped hyena
  06/15/18
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bronze excitant church building codepig
  06/15/18
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at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Deep wonderful striped hyena
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
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  06/15/18
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Motley sinister toaster sanctuary
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
bronze excitant church building codepig
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Lavender Resort
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
underhanded persian
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Bistre Step-uncle's House
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
beady-eyed locale shitlib
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Deep wonderful striped hyena
  06/15/18
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Motley sinister toaster sanctuary
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at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration
  06/15/18
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at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration
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Bistre Step-uncle's House
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at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration
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Razzmatazz Drunken Cruise Ship
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
Flatulent Dilemma
  10/06/21
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Flatulent Dilemma
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Vibrant Sadistic Orchestra Pit Sound Barrier
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Flatulent Dilemma
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
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  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Flatulent Dilemma
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
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  06/15/18
Explain
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  06/15/18
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Flatulent Dilemma
  06/16/18
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Flatulent Dilemma
  09/04/18
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Razzmatazz Drunken Cruise Ship
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
hideous federal background story kitty cat
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
blue up-to-no-good location clown
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Flatulent Dilemma
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Useless forum becky
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at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration
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Flatulent Dilemma
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
ebony hell
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
razzle-dazzle turdskin
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Flatulent Dilemma
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Swashbuckling insecure pisswyrm
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Flatulent Dilemma
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Swashbuckling insecure pisswyrm
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
Flatulent Dilemma
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
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Useless forum becky
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
ebony hell
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Electric fluffy gas station toilet seat
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
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That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Electric fluffy gas station toilet seat
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Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Stimulating Very Tactful Telephone Boiling Water
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
razzle-dazzle turdskin
  02/12/21
lol no
Multi-colored Roast Beef
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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  06/29/21
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  10/06/21
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  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Blathering lay hairy legs

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone canary spot

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: bronze excitant church building codepig



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: bronze excitant church building codepig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: beady-eyed locale shitlib

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Trip bisexual lettuce

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Coprophilia Johnny ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Deep wonderful striped hyena

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: bronze excitant church building codepig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Deep wonderful striped hyena

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Provocative Avocado Theater Stage Generalized Bond

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Motley sinister toaster sanctuary



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: bronze excitant church building codepig

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Lavender Resort

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: underhanded persian

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Bistre Step-uncle's House

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: beady-eyed locale shitlib

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Deep wonderful striped hyena

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Motley sinister toaster sanctuary



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: pale kitchen

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: bronze excitant church building codepig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone canary spot



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Bistre Step-uncle's House



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Drunken Cruise Ship



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Drunken Cruise Ship



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Vibrant Sadistic Orchestra Pit Sound Barrier

omg 260k where do they get off

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Startled harsh school cafeteria water buffalo

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Startled harsh school cafeteria water buffalo

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Razzmatazz Drunken Cruise Ship



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: hideous federal background story kitty cat

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: blue up-to-no-good location clown

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Useless forum becky



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: at-the-ready spectacular internal respiration



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: ebony hell

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle turdskin

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Swashbuckling insecure pisswyrm

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Swashbuckling insecure pisswyrm

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Electric fluffy gas station toilet seat

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Useless forum becky



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: ebony hell

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Electric fluffy gas station toilet seat

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Stimulating Very Tactful Telephone Boiling Water

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Electric fluffy gas station toilet seat

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Stimulating Very Tactful Telephone Boiling Water

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle turdskin

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Multi-colored Roast Beef

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Idiotic Native Ratface

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: sapphire stag film blood rage



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser pocket flask address

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Flatulent Dilemma



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