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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
unhinged thriller digit ratio
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
effete lodge nowag
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Henna hyperactive school cafeteria liquid oxygen
  06/15/18
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hairraiser property preventive strike
  06/15/18
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hairraiser property preventive strike
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
spectacular crusty school cuckold
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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  10/06/21
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
  02/12/22
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Martin Skhreli
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Motley Blathering Lay Indirect Expression
  06/15/18
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hairraiser property preventive strike
  06/15/18
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nofapping brethren
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Motley Blathering Lay Indirect Expression
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
jet anal market
  06/15/18
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Soul-stirring Snowy Newt
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
hairraiser property preventive strike
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Cream chapel psychic
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Appetizing Rebellious Plaza Hissy Fit
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Passionate Spruce Juggernaut Cuckoldry
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
spectacular crusty school cuckold
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Motley Blathering Lay Indirect Expression
  06/15/18
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Soul-stirring Snowy Newt
  06/15/18
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nofapping brethren
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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hairraiser property preventive strike
  06/15/18
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Henna hyperactive school cafeteria liquid oxygen
  06/15/18
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nofapping brethren
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
nofapping brethren
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Passionate Spruce Juggernaut Cuckoldry
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Buff cruise ship
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nofapping brethren
  02/15/21
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Buff cruise ship
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
unhinged thriller digit ratio
  10/06/21
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
aphrodisiac crackhouse
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
unhinged thriller digit ratio
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Opaque university reading party
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
unhinged thriller digit ratio
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Opaque university reading party
  06/15/18
Explain
unhinged thriller digit ratio
  06/15/18
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
  06/16/18
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
  09/04/18
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Buff cruise ship
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
histrionic native
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
180 up-to-no-good national
  06/15/18
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
  02/12/21
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brass circlehead persian
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nofapping brethren
  02/15/21
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Stirring Point
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
vigorous chad
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
unhinged thriller digit ratio
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Obsidian territorial sanctuary trust fund
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
unhinged thriller digit ratio
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Obsidian territorial sanctuary trust fund
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
unhinged thriller digit ratio
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
clear provocative idiot
  02/12/21
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brass circlehead persian
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Stirring Point
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
clear provocative idiot
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
racy stead
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
clear provocative idiot
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
racy stead
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
vigorous chad
  02/12/21
lol no
Lime brunch
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
hideous galvanic friendly grandma
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
  06/29/21
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
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Milky rigpig really tough guy
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
Rusted Electric Stage Prole
  10/06/21
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unhinged thriller digit ratio
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: effete lodge nowag

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Henna hyperactive school cafeteria liquid oxygen

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: hairraiser property preventive strike



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: hairraiser property preventive strike



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: spectacular crusty school cuckold

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Laughsome cumskin sound barrier

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Martin Skhreli ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Motley Blathering Lay Indirect Expression

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: hairraiser property preventive strike



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: nofapping brethren



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Motley Blathering Lay Indirect Expression

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: jet anal market

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Snowy Newt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253024)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: hairraiser property preventive strike

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Cream chapel psychic

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Appetizing Rebellious Plaza Hissy Fit

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Passionate Spruce Juggernaut Cuckoldry

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: spectacular crusty school cuckold

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Motley Blathering Lay Indirect Expression

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Snowy Newt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253030)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: nofapping brethren



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: bateful gas station private investor

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: hairraiser property preventive strike



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Henna hyperactive school cafeteria liquid oxygen



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: nofapping brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253628)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: nofapping brethren

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Passionate Spruce Juggernaut Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253708)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Buff cruise ship



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: nofapping brethren



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Buff cruise ship



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Opaque university reading party

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Opaque university reading party

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Buff cruise ship



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: histrionic native

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good national

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: brass circlehead persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: nofapping brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Stirring Point

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: vigorous chad

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Obsidian territorial sanctuary trust fund

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Obsidian territorial sanctuary trust fund

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: clear provocative idiot

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: brass circlehead persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Stirring Point

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: clear provocative idiot

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: racy stead

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: clear provocative idiot

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: racy stead

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: vigorous chad

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Lime brunch

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: hideous galvanic friendly grandma

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Milky rigpig really tough guy



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Rusted Electric Stage Prole

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2...id.#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: unhinged thriller digit ratio



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