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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:36 PM Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,..................... https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/05/19/russia-has-started-losing-the-war-in-ukraine/
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:38 PM Author: """'"'"""'' they "started" losing the war the day the failed to take Kiev (day 1). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945307) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:42 PM Author: Trump Tariffs Can Do No Wrong (TDNW) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945321) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 9:42 PM Author: Long Red Poon Tie Covering Your Wang well day 3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945950) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:39 PM Author: hank_scorpio so this will have worked out well for Ukraine after all? Huzzah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945311) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:41 PM Author: UN peacekeeper Argument An expert’s point of view on a current event. Russia Has Started Losing the War in Ukraine The military tide may have turned against Putin. By Michael Kimmage, director of the Kennan Institute at the Wilson Center in Washington. |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:43 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
Wow! Big, if true!
lmao |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:20 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946188) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:49 PM Author: peeface dumb piece, as you'd expect from The Economist. amusing the goober writing it works at the Kennan Institute - Kennan would sue for defamation if he knew any of these thoughts were being associated with him.
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:51 PM Author: Restless Penis Syndrome Do you suck penises? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945344) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:58 PM Author: peeface i mean, we all have a price
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:56 PM Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,..................... Here's the full article:
I think the worst thing for Russia is Ukraine's home grown drone industry. You can make a shitton of drones for the cost of one HIMARS, and it stimulates Ukraine's economy to boot. |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:01 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Bro they busted up Ukraine's fancy spy drone network last week. They were supposed to move after that but didn't, cuz they got no mojo. If you want to tell me Russian troops are motivated and only drones are holding them back, go ahead though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945362) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:01 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
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When you REALLY think about it, this war is not only getting better and better for Ukraine as time goes on, but it's actually becoming quite cheap for Ukraine to defend itself -- AND the expenses it's incurring to do so are actually stimulating it's economy. Meanwhile, Russia is getting rekt and falling further and further into ruin with every passing day.
... frankly it's a little bit "odd" that Zelenskyieve would even consider holding peace negotiations with Putin at this point, considering how well everything is trending for him, but I'm sure he has his reasons haha yeah haha. ;) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:28 PM Author: luis with that nose (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945418) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:38 PM Author: Trump Tariffs Can Do No Wrong (TDNW) cr it would be much better for Ukraine to end the war by… handing over 70% of their country to russia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945433) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:45 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
Well I would assume, given that when you REALLY think about it things are actually going pretty great for Ukraine right now on a bunch of different levels, that any peace proposal in which Zelenskieyve is required to cede any substantial amount of physical territory to Russia will be a non-starter. Why would a party negotiating from a position of relative strength which is only increasing with time ever agree to terms like that? It wouldn't make sense at all.
Do you agree? |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:57 PM Author: wfh poaster daintily wiping up cheez-it crumbs God the cope never ends holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945352) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 5:58 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK I called it days ago. It's May and they got no mojo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945356) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:04 PM Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,..................... Yeah, normally this time of year Ukrainian and Western intel are warning of some huge Russian offensive in the works. Not hearing anything like that this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945371) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK It would cost the lives of many men who have already served multiple continuous tours. Not only would he be losing those bros, it would destroy morale in the lower ranks. It makes more sense for Russia to dig trenches and make Ukraine shoot off all their French and German missiles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945378) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:16 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe All of the major offensives have been horrific failures. They’re going to continue with the meat waves on motorcycles. They can inch forward and it gives the illusion of progress. I think the bigger factor is oil prices. If they’re this low for another 6-12 months Russia’s ability to sustain the war ends. Ironically trump’s tariff bullshit may have unintentionally buttfucked Putin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945397) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:28 PM Author: cowgod ( ) How is that ironic. Are you implying trump Colludes with Russia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946204) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:22 AM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
Yes, despite being unironically literally thoroughly debunked at the highest levels, that "Russia Collusion" narrative still remains an article of faith among many on the Left in 2025.
Yes that's right -- the very same people who will scream at you until they're blue in the face about "total fucking idiots" who "mindlessly swallow misinformation just because it fits their worldview."
Also the very same polisci geniuses who just got their shit pushed in at every level in the last federal election, and have responded to that humiliating loss by... doubling and tripling down on the incredibly unpopular policies and positions that got thoroughly repudiated by the electorate, and angrily smearing anyone who dares to disagree with them as an "idiot" or a "bigot."
Yep, those guys.
LJL |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:20 PM Author: lsd Is Putin even going to see July? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945403) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:30 PM Author: luis with that nose Many foreign policy experts are saying NO! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945421) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 6:35 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK His replacement is going to be a ballbreaker. Putin is the most pro-west guy in the Kremlin and he never served in the military. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945426) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:00 PM Author: peeface no, he is expected to finally reach end stage Parkinsons around June 29th
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:05 PM Author: which dad? If his diarrhea inducing chemo doesn't get him first (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945474) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:46 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
The real tragedy isn't that Putler's late stage Alzheimer's Brain Cancer is finally catching up to him... it's that Russia is apparently entirely out of bullets at this point, which means he won't even be able to shotgun himself and end the misery. |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:20 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. lolz, this again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946190) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:06 PM Author: No Paye No Gain they have to be almost out of shells by now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945475) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:11 PM Author: Restless Penis Syndrome This seems like a conclusion in search of evidence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945490) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:13 PM Author: but at what cost (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945496) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:17 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Putin already said they can do war for 20 years if they need to. He said told Ukrainian negotiators Russia spent at least that long defeating Sweden. People who laugh at that don't know what he's talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945503) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:20 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946191) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 7:24 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Trump moving on Putin like a bitch:
https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/1924584531882864731 |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 9:42 PM Author: roxbury benzo "Its failure has been accompanied by enormous losses: an estimated 790,000 killed or injured since the beginning of the war (plus 48,000 missing), including more than 100,000 casualties this year alone. By the end of 2025, at this rate, Russia will have over a million casualties, and its strategic situation will not be any better than it was in 2022."
What an estimate |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 9:43 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK "Casualties" includes bruised elbows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48945952) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 9:56 PM Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,, The coverage of this war is so frustrating.
This article is mostly true - but it doesn't really touch on Ukraine's position.
Isn't Ukraine basically out of men? Seems like that's a relevant counterpoint. |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:08 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
*(((GAY JEWISH AMERICAN MSM NEWS OUTLET))) SHOTGUNS DOWN YOUR DOOR*
"Hey, you! Did you know that Russia has lost 800,000+ men so far in this war?! Probably more, to be honest... anyway, it's a total fucking bloodbath and an absolute disaster for them!!! They're megafukt!!!"
"Wow, yeah, I mean that seems like a ton of guys... btw how many Ukrainians have been killed so far?"
"Well you have to understand that it's very hard if not impossible to generate an accurate count for that sort of thing, due to 'the fog of war,' etc. In fact it's so difficult that we really don't want to speculate and throw out a number."
"No, I mean, OK, sure I get that -- but you rushed in here to give me a number for Russia, so idk just give me your best guess for Ukraine, too. If you *had* to make an educated guess. It seems very relevant."
"We don't want to speculate!"
"Just speculate. Go ahead. You shotgunned down my door to come lecture me about this, so I insist. Do it."
"Hmmm... OK, but just bear in mind, this is very imprecise and quite possibly inflated. If forced to guess, we would estimate ~30,000 Ukrainian casualties so far."
"Wait... seriously? You're telling me that you want me to believe that the Russians have been taking casualties at a fucking ~26:1 ratio for the last three years straight?! That sounds absolutely insane!"
"Yes."
"Uh, I mean... and wait, isn't the typical 'rule of thumb' that an invading army should anticipate taking losses at a ~3:1 ratio when drawing up their battle plans?"
"Yes."
"So you're saying that Russia is literally performing 8x worse than we might expect in a 'generic' war? That the casualty ratio in this war is a wild statistical outlier on an exponential level, even though this war features two Slav countries fighting each other (so little to no IQ disparity between the two fighting forces) and Russia is actually richer, more populated, and more militarily powerful than Ukraine... so if anything, taking those factors into account, we might logically expect that Russia would actually perform *better* than if it were merely fighting a 'generic' war in which it didn't necessarily hold all of those advantages over its opponent?"
"Yes."
"..."
"...hey, so anyway, did you know that Joe Biden has CANCER and Blondalf Drumpfth SAID A REALLY MEAN THING ABOUT HIM?!" |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:10 PM Author: Long Red Poon Tie Covering Your Wang Off your meds again Claire? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946007) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:12 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
Haha yeah I'm retarded and crazy
Btw which part of that fun little "crazy made up strawman" MSM narrative that I just typed out there in my insane delusions do you dispute is an actual talking point being pushed in the American MSM? |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:14 PM Author: Long Red Poon Tie Covering Your Wang Oh man! You are so red-pilled. Really got that SECRET knowledge. Total GNOSTIC Masterman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946020) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:16 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
Yeah, I'm retarded + insane + stupid + poor etc etc etc, we know and also I'm gay and my name is Anthony "Tony" J. Zappin and I don't see my kids and I lost my law license, etc. Sad!
...but so which part(s) of my poast above do you dispute, though? We get it, I'm a complete faggot and a fool, but having gotten the obligatory ad hominems out of the way I don't see you actually attempting to substantively refute any of the allegations I'm making about the various ridiculous talking points the American MSM has been pushing about this war. Odd case. |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:18 PM Author: hank_scorpio I don't see why you being a faggot has to get in the way of this whole thing being a disaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946028) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:21 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
CR
Wait but so which of the fake and gay imaginary strawmen MSM talking points that I clearly just hallucinated above do *you* claim that the American MSM hasn't actually been pushing?
(Assume before you answer that I have multiple links ready to drop that show MSM news sources pushing each and every one of them)
Or perhaps you just sincerely believe that Russia has indeed been taking ~26:1 casualties in this war for the last three years running? |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:43 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
??? |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:54 PM Author: hank_scorpio what part of me thinking eveything is fake and gay do you not understand, we've known each other for almost 20 years at this point you enormous homo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946105) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:55 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
I'm gay |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:55 PM Author: hank_scorpio well duh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946108) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:08 PM Author: Trust If Aryan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946144) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:43 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
??? |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 6:14 AM Author: Long Red Poon Tie Covering Your Wang you write like an unhinged 35yr old unemployed loser who spends 15 hours a day "going down the rabbit hole" / raging online.
I know you've been disbarred but try to be cogent and avoid insane screed |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:20 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Kiev can't be flipped politically unless Russia inflicts massive civilian casualties, and that should always be Plan B. Plan A has to be some kind of ground invasion, and that requires well trained men to march forward.
That's exactly what the USA lacked in Vietnam. Men just didn't want to go walking in the jungle at all, and no one could make them do it without getting shot to death. Fortunately, Russian troops aren't deployed on a far away continent. It's easy to rotate them in and out, the terrain is familiar, language is the same etc. They just need like 6 months of R&R before they'll push. |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:21 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. "Kiev can't be flipped politically"
What does that even mean in a country with no elections? |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:23 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Ceausescu the POTUS because he's a fuckup, go on TV and say "fuck it, lets the get power turned back on and grow cabbage again," see if anyone complains. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946196) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:56 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK ROFL@ shitcons believing EVERYTHING Putin says. Never change:
https://x.com/vanguardintel/status/1924581157598822619
This is how Putin buys some R&R time. Make Ukraine confused for a month at least. |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:22 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. You realize that Russia advances daily, right? It isn't like there is a ceasefire in effect right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946195) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:27 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK The advances are having no strategic effect, unless Russia is trying to prove it still has men willing to push the line. Ukraine hasn't had men like that since they rolled out the Leopards in spring 2023, so maybe the point is to show balls. But otherwise they need to come up with an actual strategy. There are like 3 that could work if they had 6 months to prepare. They should really just hold the line while pretending to negotiate and buying time. If they have to show off a big missile that's a different story, depending on what it is. The Oreshnik thing might need to be demonstrated on its own timeline, separate from all of this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946202) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:33 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Another thing is that they are shooting down F-16s and wrecking Ukraine's ISR drone network. Russia is having more success in those domains than on the ground. They only fucked up the surveillance drone network about a week ago. They can get these big wins without moving an inch it seems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946212) |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:37 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK This is the thing that Russia just wrecked.
https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1896679474470789378
That was a big problem until they somehow hacked the network, which was distributed among 3 or 4 servers. |
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Date: May 19th, 2025 11:38 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Looks like things started going to shit around May 10.
https://x.com/RALee85/status/1921674352744886419
It must be easy af for Russia to bribe these guys if Zelensky won't pay them. |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:38 AM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) In what way is this NOT a vietnam- or afghanistan- (their war or ours) like quagmire for russia? And I say that with the understanding that it's apparently not a big deal culturally or politically for them to lose over a million young men--so just thinking of the economic impact (which is not offset at all by the acquisition of the 2nd or 3rd poorest country in europe). They went from US-level interest rates to like 22% now.
The response ITT seems to focus on how it's going even worse for ukraine, which seems totally irrelevant to any conversation worth having in the US--like surveying a termite treatment for your house that left 10% of the termites uneradicated and saying "well lol we killed 90% of them so this went way worse for the termites than us."
I assume the TBF types will now disclaim this (likely in a flamingly homosexually catty sarcastic rant about the unreliability of any sources I could point to), but there were perfectly reputable, credentialed, and impartial defense experts who predicted that russia could wrap this thing up within months of the invasion, and that has obviously not been the result obtained. |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:44 AM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK They're not deployed across the earth. They have literal rail lines running into Ukraine. God damn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946310) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:57 AM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) (1) I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence on an issue where I'm certainly no MFE and don't even really gaf (I am in the vanishingly rare category of ppl who initially opposed heavy ukraine support and now think it's working out pretty well for American interests), but you do realize the USSR had a (long, passable) border with afghanistan, right? I'm sure it wasn't innervated with transportation infrastructure like the RUS-UKR border, because why the fuck would it be (there's nothing worth transporting to/from afghanistan), but that was in fact a land invasion.
(2) And more importantly: so the fuck what? |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 1:01 AM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Sorry, it was less of a comment about you than the fact that I'm still pissed about Vietnam. We had legit good soldiers over there, way better than what Russia's got. But they were hell and gone from home and that's not sustainable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946331) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 1:05 AM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK For one thing, Ukraine can't fight any sort of irregular warfare. They don't know the terrain any better than Russia, and in some cases they know it worse because Russians built the tunnels and mines. They can't get behind enemy lines and fuck shit up because they don't have motivated partisans. Everyone in Russian-occupied territory is happy to have russians there and won't take risks for Zelenskyy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946334) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 1:06 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. Simple. Vietnam and Afghanistan were wars in faraway places that no one had any interest in annexing. None of that is true here. Every square kilometer of land is added to Russian territory. Staying in Vietnam or Afghanistan for 20 years even if the "allied government" holds or gains ground doesn't really matter for US (or Soviet) citizens. Gaining or holding in Ukraine matters for actual Russians because that's a gain or loss of Russian territory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946337) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 2:11 AM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Okay but when I think of things that would make russia stronger, "more low-yield farmland" and "more natural resources" aren't on the list. They've got plenty of that shit already; their problem is that the only things made in russia in any of the homes I own are in the liquor cabinets.
Let's assume this works out fine for putin, personally--he stays super-popular and public support for the war is high. So what? It objectively weakens RUS, and the US death toll in this conflict remains steady at zero (0).
This has obviously not been a model for a subsequent invasion of poland (as some hysterical libs predicted in 2022, assuming a quick RUS victory in UKR), which would at least be a positive-value pickup.
And I don't know that I agree that the US would have benefitted from Vietnam x20 losses if only we'd been fighting to annex the southern third of manitoba instead of trying to contain communism abroad. |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 4:24 AM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Ukraine was kept poor and outside of NATO precisely so that it could be used as a front org for the CIA. It effectively operated outside international law, and its territorial claim to Crimea is its own rabbit hole. As much as anything it was a way to spy on Russia and try to undermine it, and the way the government treated ethnic Russians showed its intent to remain that way forever. Ukrainian "nationalism" was a way of making the threat clear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727429&forum_id=2...id.#48946445) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 4:15 AM Author: Trump Tariffs Can Do No Wrong (TDNW) TMF still thinks trading 1000 soldiers per km2 of land is worth it for the country that controls 1/6 of the land surface of the planet already and which has massive demographic problems
would be funny if not so stupid and sad |