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Btw we are already pulling in an insane amount of money from Trump’s tariffs
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:42 PM Author: cracking liquid oxygen orchestra pit Womp womp libs
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1939705331174756785 |
Date: June 30th, 2025 1:45 PM Author: Laughsome Stock Car 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060712) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:45 PM Author: tan sickened stain does this pay for the $4T in tax cuts for the rich? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060717) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:46 PM Author: cracking liquid oxygen orchestra pit Shut the fuck up you sexpat loser (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060721) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:49 PM Author: tan sickened stain (guy bragging about USA collecting nickels while adding dollars to the deficit) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060730) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:54 PM Author: Beady-eyed Snowy Base Community Account doesnt seem like you have a counterargument, just personal attacks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060765) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:56 PM Author: tan sickened stain he thought he was making a valid point, now he realized he was being retarded and is lashing out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060774) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:58 PM Author: cracking liquid oxygen orchestra pit Are you jewish my man? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060783) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:00 PM Author: Beady-eyed Snowy Base Community Account 20% or so genetically, no religious or cultural affiliation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060788) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:01 PM Author: cracking liquid oxygen orchestra pit Cool. Mazel tov! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060790) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 5:47 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma people keeping the money they earn is not a form of government spending you pinko fuckhead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062462) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 7:40 AM Author: contagious walnut crotch toilet seat no but by taxing the American consumer, we help the capital class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062565) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:47 PM Author: stirring kitchen legend “We are increasing taxes on consumers to fund tax cuts for the ultra wealthy but will still increase the debt by $4T! MAGA!” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060726) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:48 PM Author: cracking liquid oxygen orchestra pit You’re not even speaking English coherently anymore. Sorry you just keep losing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060728) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:49 PM Author: tan sickened stain if you dont understand that, you might not be a native english speaker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060732) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:50 PM Author: cracking liquid oxygen orchestra pit How’s your mutt kid your prostitute wife shat out? Is she sucking dick on camera yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060737) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:56 PM Author: tan sickened stain you must be pretty embarrassed to make this thread and then unable to defend it.
jfc |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:58 PM Author: cracking liquid oxygen orchestra pit You and obeezy do not require any degree of “defending,” only mockery
xoxohth |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:21 AM Author: maniacal cerebral garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062627) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:50 PM Author: stirring kitchen legend *MAGA Farm Animal doing his best to understand basic English* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060743) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:56 PM Author: canary yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060775) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:00 PM Author: cracking liquid oxygen orchestra pit Sorry Trump’s tariffs are demonstrably good for America and everyone sees it. Truly sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060787) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:02 PM Author: Beady-eyed Snowy Base Community Account perhaps you would like to demonstrate the demonstrable part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060791) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:07 PM Author: Razzle chestnut turdskin I mean, it’s in the link in the op brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060810) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:31 AM Author: maniacal cerebral garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062750) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:40 AM Author: stirring kitchen legend “Tax increases are an inherent positive” the MAGA explained, before pivoting to defend the massive tax cuts for billionaires in the BBB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062993) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:09 AM Author: Big House (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062346) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:01 PM Author: Tantric market sound barrier isn't consumerism bad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060789) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 7:40 AM Author: contagious walnut crotch toilet seat yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062567) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:58 AM Author: Ebony appetizing location coldplay fan L'Chaim! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062831) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:59 PM Author: smoky dysfunction MAGAs are too dumb to understand that this is coming out of their pockets. It’s the same reason they buy the line that Medicaid is being “reformed” and not cut, and why they’ll not along and applaud like retards when Trump loots social security next (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060786) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 5:52 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma We just went through four fucking years of intentionally manufactured 30%-200% inflation placed directly on the middle class and poor Americans you retarded Jewish pedophile. Fuck off with your cumfarter “well actually china paying for shit for a change is acchtually badth” horseshit. You people just suck at everything and you have the worst takes on every single topic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062463) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:00 PM Author: Ruby Alcoholic Dog Poop Depressive I heard they're removing a bunch of illegal aliens and able bodied 20 year olds from medicaid. I this not true? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063459) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:10 PM Author: Beady-eyed Snowy Base Community Account Thoughts on this OP?
While tariffs do provide revenue to the government, this revenue is likely to be significantly reduced when accounting for the economic costs of tariffs. Economists generally argue that these costs, such as higher prices for consumers and reduced economic growth, outweigh the revenue generated by tariffs, resulting in a net economic loss for the country. |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:32 PM Author: tan sickened stain that's jewish flame.
the problem with the tariffs is that they are not high enough and don't nearly cover the tax cuts for the rich that Trump is doing |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 6:04 PM Author: Beady-eyed Snowy Base Community Account whats flame about it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49061471) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:54 AM Author: tan sickened stain it ignores that workers and the masses benefit from having good payin jobs. hth.
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:27 AM Author: Beady-eyed Snowy Base Community Account While tariffs may offer some benefits to specific, targeted industries, the overall consensus among many economic analyses suggests that broad-based tariffs, like those proposed by the Trump administration, are unlikely to result in a net increase in higher-paying domestic jobs and may, in fact, lead to a decline in employment and a weakening of the U.S. economy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062739) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:29 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma thank for the AI overview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062745) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:31 AM Author: maniacal cerebral garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062751) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:52 AM Author: Beady-eyed Snowy Base Community Account Is it wrong? If so, how? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063022) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:08 AM Author: Big House Economists don’t know Jack fucking shit and journalists writing about economists know even less (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062344) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:23 AM Author: Irradiated Regret Gay Wizard It's just like "medical experts" and covid...everyone hiding inside with masks on their face for months on end because someone said to be afraid of the flu.
We literally did exactly what "economists" wanted for decades and the result was a complete disaster, with are industrial capacity hollowed out to the point that it's a serious national security risk and the middle class completely decimated. And in the middle of the smoldering wreckage, the economists sit there saying "Noooooo, you can't change what we did, we know best." |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:36 AM Author: Drunken temple puppy if X is incorrect is -X correct?
the old costanza eh |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:28 AM Author: Beady-eyed Snowy Base Community Account The professionals are Stupid, and this random guy on the internet with no qualifications in this field has it all figured out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062744) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:31 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma they aren't stupid, just compromised and understand self preservation. if your career and reputation were dependent on producing analysis that gives XYZ outcome then that is what you would do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062749) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:02 PM Author: Ruby Alcoholic Dog Poop Depressive I assume any "expert" is a fucking retard until they prove otherwise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063471) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:07 AM Author: histrionic coffee pot elastic band We have had 30% tariffs on china since 2017 or 2018 and Nothing Happened. “Economists” are bought and paid for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062604) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:41 PM Author: Racy wrinkle Yes economists have shown themselves to be very wise and thoguthful about the best outcome for people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063367) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:17 PM Author: Olive idea he suggested this is awesome. i'm glad to pay these tariffs and i know other consumers, especially the wealthy, will be equally delighted. i've started to send extra checks in to CPB because it's such a good cause. i know in the long run i'll get all this money back 10-fold. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060834) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:38 PM Author: spectacular bat-shit-crazy private investor laser beams It’s literally an extra 10-15 billion or so a month. The annual budget is about 6.7 trillion and the debt nearly 40 trillion. About half of the US debt can be traced to the Bush and Trump 2017 tax cuts. Trump’s new tax cuts will add more to the deficit and debt. And that’s with the CBO giving credit for higher tariff revenue. It’s a drop in the proverbial bucket. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060890) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 2:39 PM Author: tan sickened stain collecting nickles but throwing away dollars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49060895) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 5:54 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma People keeping their own money is not a form of government spending you cumfarter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062464) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:11 AM Author: tan sickened stain but it is a reduction in government revenue... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062613) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:13 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma no it isn't. it's people keeping their own money. the money does not belong to the government so nothing is being reduced. pinko communists have a very difficult time coming to terms with this concept. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062616) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:42 AM Author: tan sickened stain please explain to me what government revenue is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062656) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:24 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma something that isn't reduced by American people keeping the money they earn, has been decimated by decades of offshoring labor, and can be increased by taxing foreign countries instead of American citizens and ultimately by onshoring labor in this country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062732) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:29 AM Author: tan sickened stain i dont think that is the definition of govt revenue... i dont think you understand this topic if you dont even know what that is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062746) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:32 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma also govt revenue increased after Trump's tax cuts. this may come as a shock but increasing tax rates by 1% doesn't result in a 1% revenue increase. if anything the opposite is true.
tax cuts =/= revenue cuts |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:41 AM Author: tan sickened stain what is govt revenue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062773) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:44 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma something not connected to tax rate increases. you are a communist and therefore have a difficult time understanding that you can lower taxes and increase revenue (like what Trump did in 2017). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062783) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:45 AM Author: tan sickened stain oh i very much understand that and i also understand you can raise taxes AND collect more govt revenue. its almost as if your point is meaningless. because they are not 100% directly related, you seem to imply there is no relationship.
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:39 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma you are the one saying, without evidencem, that revenue decreased because people kept their own money (that they spent and invested into our own economy). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062989) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:50 AM Author: tan sickened stain i am saying we would have MORE revenue if BBB's tax cuts are not done.
hth CBO, tax experts agree but I guess you know the math better! |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:05 PM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma no we wouldn't and yes I do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063224) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:09 PM Author: tan sickened stain so CBO, tax think tanks all agree that it would. any evidence that it will INCREASE revenue and DECREASE our deficits?
if so, this would be huge. the main opposition, even from the GOP side, is that this bill INCREASES our deficit by TRILLIONS, ie not a rounding error. |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:28 AM Author: histrionic coffee pot elastic band I love the smell of intellectual dishonesty in the morning. 2016: 32b 2017: 40b 2018: 42b 2019: 72b 2020: 74b 2021: 94b 2022: 112b 2023: 92b 2024: 109b 4/9/25-4/9/26: $684,000,000,000k, champ |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 6:00 PM Author: smoky dysfunction How much of that will Trump see personally? It better be significant or MAGA will be furious. He earned it, after all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49061457) |
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Date: June 30th, 2025 8:53 PM Author: cyan plaza fat ankles This was always what was so disengenous about the initial media coverage. Media just acted like this money was lit on fire.
Not saying tariffs are good or bad on net, but the media has to cover the other half of the net - which is more money for the government and hopefully decreased taxation elsewhere. |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:57 AM Author: Drunken temple puppy lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062341) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:30 AM Author: Beta piazza brother if you think those attendant tax cuts are going to primarily benefit your economic bracket i have a bridge in tahiti to sell you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062355) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:10 AM Author: histrionic coffee pot elastic band There are no taxes to cut except on Losers making 100,000-1,000,000k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062612) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:03 PM Author: Beta piazza weird and incorrect post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063482) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:11 AM Author: Big House 180. Tariffs are 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062347) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:27 AM Author: exciting free-loading stage Damn, there are some real diehard Trump fartsniffers on XO now. This used to be a place for smart people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062354) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:39 AM Author: twinkling brunch newt Basically libs are in favor of higher taxes, everywhere. All problems can be solved by just giving more money to the government.
Except tariffs. Those are bad. |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 5:54 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062465) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 5:57 AM Author: sable address mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062468) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:03 AM Author: Big House (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062600) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:07 AM Author: histrionic coffee pot elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062606) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:14 AM Author: Opaque Tanning Salon Blood Rage cr. and in this case, tariffs are being used to shore up jobs for the working class -- which Dems abandoned decades ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062618) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:18 AM Author: Ocher Lascivious Knife Nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062717) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:16 AM Author: diverse white whorehouse ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062621) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:18 AM Author: Ocher Lascivious Knife Nibblets Libs are hypocritical retards, news at 11.
And TT6 is just a fucking moron. |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:24 AM Author: tan sickened stain why am I a fucking moron? you trump fags just say random shit and then do personal attacks.
please tell me how this tariff revenue is not pennies on the dollar compared to the tax cuts for the wealthy? id love to see this math. |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:26 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma every job done/every factory owned by a chink instead of an American is lost revenue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062737) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:30 AM Author: tan sickened stain I am pro tariff friend. Maybe you have a reading comp issue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062747) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:35 AM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma you seem to think that people keeping their own money is a form of government spending. Maybe you have a communism issue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062759) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:42 AM Author: tan sickened stain i think the budget needs to be balanced long term and that the budget should be funded by those with money above a certain min level.
def sounds like communism! |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:49 AM Author: Ocher Lascivious Knife Nibblets (Actual retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062794) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:55 AM Author: tan sickened stain solid argument against a balanced budget. i stand corrected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062815) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:30 PM Author: Ocher Lascivious Knife Nibblets Ty! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063311) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:54 AM Author: blathering violet philosopher-king cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062812) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:42 AM Author: stirring kitchen legend Basically cons are in favor of lower taxes, everywhere. All problems can be solved by just cutting more taxes for billionaires.
Except tariffs. Those are good
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:51 AM Author: tan sickened stain Cons and libs are both fags for Jew. hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063020) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:46 PM Author: jet indirect expression dilemma lowering taxes on all income brackets and doubling the standard deduction = "tax cuts for billionaires"?
Shareblue really needs some new material... |
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 2:39 AM Author: twinkling brunch newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49068189) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 1:27 PM Author: umber rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063563) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:41 AM Author: disturbing ticket booth ratface So fucking based. I love America and hate kike jews so much it’s unreal. ππΊπΈ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062771) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:53 AM Author: yapping haunting tank wow $20-billion of tariffs in a $32-trillion economy to fund a government running a $2-trillion deficit.
glad Trump has been ignoring deportations to focus on this important policy item.
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:57 AM Author: Bateful party of the first part center The $20 billion/month is actually total, the delta is really $15 billion increase. And you should write it as $32,000 billion with a $2,000 billion annual budget deficit and $36,000 billion in publicly held debt. |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:56 AM Author: Bateful party of the first part center That's a lot of money for Israel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49062818) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:53 PM Author: Ruby Alcoholic Dog Poop Depressive I just jacked off twice into my underoos thinking about all the lib tears. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063418) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:54 PM Author: Ruby Alcoholic Dog Poop Depressive Also: "taxes on consumption are just taxes on poor people! Fuck Drumpf!!!!!111ONE" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744643&forum_id=2E#49063430) |