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Kirkland V5 SECURE; Milbank V10 SECURE; Gibson DUNN HERE (V11)

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Boyish affirmative action coldplay fan
  06/26/25
how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over ...
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number on...
Sienna Swashbuckling Codepig
  06/26/25
cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely ...
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They&rs...
Sienna Swashbuckling Codepig
  06/26/25
the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failur...
high-end point mad cow disease
  06/26/25
Because 20 years is a long fucking time?
provocative chrome space partner
  06/27/25
still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years
Electric University Tank
  06/27/25
its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better ...
Laughsome Laser Beams
  06/27/25
CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thin...
clear arrogant hospital
  06/27/25
You're stuck in 2005.
Odious Love Of Her Life
  06/27/25
so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way
Electric University Tank
  06/27/25
not disagreeing there ....
Odious Love Of Her Life
  06/27/25
Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 ye...
Odious Love Of Her Life
  06/27/25
wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?
territorial puce mad-dog skullcap office
  06/26/25
rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme ...
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli is this spaceporn's firm?
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied ...
amber nursing home
  06/27/25
180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via ass...
hairraiser parlor idea he suggested
  06/26/25
Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble
Laughsome Laser Beams
  06/26/25
At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life ve...
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you...
Boyish affirmative action coldplay fan
  06/26/25
Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 off...
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for ...
twinkling gaped new version old irish cottage
  06/27/25
lol cr, very chill happy bros
Outnumbered forum circlehead
  06/27/25
I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the ...
Shivering indian lodge
  06/27/25
polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama
Boyish affirmative action coldplay fan
  06/27/25
wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?
Excitant vermilion stead personal credit line
  06/26/25
where is _._. ______ law? should be top 100 after the pen...
Electric University Tank
  06/26/25
...
cobalt talented piazza
  06/26/25
messenger bag logo facing OUT
vibrant dragon twinkling uncleanness
  06/26/25
My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot
brass fear-inspiring alpha
  06/26/25
...
domesticated titillating corner double fault
  06/27/25
Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?
multi-colored aqua masturbator school cafeteria
  06/27/25
What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranki...
appetizing garrison immigrant
  06/27/25
(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made ...
ungodly hyperactive whorehouse
  06/27/25
relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings. (ask...
Electric University Tank
  06/27/25
I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them: ...
appetizing garrison immigrant
  06/27/25
How was penn?
Electric University Tank
  06/27/25
(jerry sandusky tp)
Laughsome Laser Beams
  06/27/25
I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy i...
clear arrogant hospital
  06/27/25
...
Electric University Tank
  06/27/25
I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus her...
Exhilarant white native wrinkle
  06/27/25
Clever Weil-bro post
appetizing garrison immigrant
  06/27/25
...
Nighttime liquid oxygen
  06/27/25
...
Electric University Tank
  06/27/25
True although STB is SPS now
ungodly hyperactive whorehouse
  06/27/25
How is STB?
clear arrogant hospital
  06/27/25
Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??
navy menage sweet tailpipe
  06/27/25
YOURE A PARTNER
Laughsome Laser Beams
  06/27/25
Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business ...
vibrant dragon twinkling uncleanness
  06/27/25
...
Curious public bath gaping
  06/27/25
...
Laughsome Laser Beams
  06/27/25


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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:42 PM
Author: Boyish affirmative action coldplay fan

https://vault.com/best-companies-to-work-for/law/top-100-law-firms-rankings

#1

Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP

#2

Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz

#3

Skadden

#4

Latham & Watkins

#5

Kirkland & Ellis

#6

Sullivan & Cromwell LLP

#7

Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP

#8

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP

#9

Milbank LLP

#10

Simpson Thacher

#11

Gibson Dunn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052006)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:44 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over the past 20 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052012)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: Sienna Swashbuckling Codepig

The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052822)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:45 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely in the top 5 (perhaps sometimes out?) to back to solid top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052832)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: Sienna Swashbuckling Codepig

They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They’ve been losing partners/business for ages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052838)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:50 PM
Author: high-end point mad cow disease

the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failure to adjust to modernity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052842)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:41 AM
Author: provocative chrome space partner

Because 20 years is a long fucking time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053272)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:52 AM
Author: Electric University Tank

still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053413)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: Laughsome Laser Beams

its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better than s&c or dpw. skadden perhaps has a case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053456)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: clear arrogant hospital

CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thing is rancid flame. Place is full of UIUC grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053468)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:28 PM
Author: Odious Love Of Her Life

You're stuck in 2005.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49054437)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49054461)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: Odious Love Of Her Life

not disagreeing there ....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49054462)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:29 PM
Author: Odious Love Of Her Life

Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49054440)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:46 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052014)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:28 PM
Author: territorial puce mad-dog skullcap office

Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052790)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052821)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:47 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli

is this spaceporn's firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052016)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052023)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: amber nursing home

Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied history and full service range of practice areas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053336)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: hairraiser parlor idea he suggested

180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via associate pay increases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052025)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:53 PM
Author: Laughsome Laser Beams

Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052039)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:54 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life vest and dive right in, and lawyers at this litigation powerhouse wouldn’t have it any other way. Litigators looking to roll up their sleeves and learn on the job will feel right at home here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052044)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: Boyish affirmative action coldplay fan

You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you’ve landed a spot at Latham & Watkins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052774)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:38 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 offices (including relationship firms) around the world and is home to more than 4,000 lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052820)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:13 AM
Author: twinkling gaped new version old irish cottage

Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for the polite, amiable Midwestern vibes as well as the sincere commitment to building a welcoming and inclusive workplace.

lol yeah lots of folksy people wandering the halls there. They just love small talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053140)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:49 AM
Author: Outnumbered forum circlehead

lol cr, very chill happy bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053406)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:10 PM
Author: Shivering indian lodge

I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the most transactional by far. Nobody gave a fuck about anybody else other than their tiny in group and they just rented the Sidley brand name.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053841)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:08 PM
Author: Boyish affirmative action coldplay fan

polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49054162)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Excitant vermilion stead personal credit line

wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052048)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: Electric University Tank

where is _._. ______ law?

should be top 100 after the penis verdict

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052055)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:44 PM
Author: cobalt talented piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052828)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:30 PM
Author: vibrant dragon twinkling uncleanness

messenger bag logo facing OUT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052792)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: brass fear-inspiring alpha

My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49052844)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:38 AM
Author: domesticated titillating corner double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053127)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:01 AM
Author: multi-colored aqua masturbator school cafeteria

Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053137)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:14 AM
Author: appetizing garrison immigrant

What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranking from your time as an associate, (b) current rank, or (c) whichever is higher

I believe in (a)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053216)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:44 AM
Author: ungodly hyperactive whorehouse

(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made it increase after you left

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053237)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:01 AM
Author: Electric University Tank

relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings.

(asking for a silent gen friend who went to umich when it was #1)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053245)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:05 AM
Author: appetizing garrison immigrant

I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them:

HYS (Just use school name)

CCNP (just say top 5 and hope you don't have to explain)

BVMN (just say top 10)

TTT (anywhere lower, pretend you're a plumber)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053287)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: Electric University Tank

How was penn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053374)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: Laughsome Laser Beams

(jerry sandusky tp)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053463)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: clear arrogant hospital

I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy if they knew their CDO was spending time advertising on xo instead of making connections at regional DLA Piper offices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053489)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: Electric University Tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49054103)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:40 AM
Author: Exhilarant white native wrinkle

I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus here is (c) - also FWIW no one is under any illusion that Kirkland and Kirkland branded products (e.g., Skadden and Latham) are prestigious. No one at my T6 (historical) wanted to go there.

The legacy undisputed V5 is WLRK, CSM, S&C, DPW and STB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053271)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:03 AM
Author: appetizing garrison immigrant

Clever Weil-bro post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053286)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: Nighttime liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053324)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: Electric University Tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053373)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:43 AM
Author: ungodly hyperactive whorehouse

True although STB is SPS now



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053393)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: clear arrogant hospital

How is STB?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053474)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:19 AM
Author: navy menage sweet tailpipe

Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053501)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: Laughsome Laser Beams

YOURE A PARTNER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053507)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:20 PM
Author: vibrant dragon twinkling uncleanness

Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business guys are impressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49054201)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: Curious public bath gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053812)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: Laughsome Laser Beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2E#49053817)