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Was/is anyone here an HONEST biller in biglaw?

i turned off my timer if I was just chatting with coworkers,...
Doobsian Kitty Cat
  05/22/25
Look at this fucking nerd using a timer
contagious nursing home indirect expression
  05/23/25
230 with no fluff is fucking insane. I routinely billed 200 ...
pink impressive ape
  05/23/25
lol @ any "man" even using a timer, let alone turn...
bistre travel guidebook
  05/22/25
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rose cruise ship
  05/22/25
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very tactful bawdyhouse
  05/22/25
When I was above 200 my bills were most honest.
Tripping electric furnace
  05/22/25
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Racy Peach Locale Volcanic Crater
  05/22/25
I bill only for time where I'm 100% engaged, doing my best a...
Citrine pit
  05/22/25
Partner: Please see me
Tripping electric furnace
  05/22/25
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Racy Peach Locale Volcanic Crater
  05/22/25
I am the partner. That's what's so insane about this.
Citrine pit
  05/22/25
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rose cruise ship
  05/22/25
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Coiffed organic girlfriend theater stage
  05/23/25
the internal moral stress of retaining honesty is a large re...
maniacal range reading party
  05/22/25
why bother retaining honesty? the whole thing is fraud
pink impressive ape
  05/23/25
On average probably padded 15 %. Consider it your “tip...
Misanthropic mad cow disease persian
  05/22/25
18% is now normal and many biglaw firms are suggesting 20% o...
rose cruise ship
  05/22/25
...
Misanthropic mad cow disease persian
  05/22/25
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flesh dysfunction nowag
  05/22/25
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Tripping electric furnace
  05/23/25
My favorite story is still that Sidley associate who wrote a...
Tripping electric furnace
  05/22/25
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bistre travel guidebook
  05/22/25
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yellow site clown
  05/22/25
Any time I've been honest I've been passed up or fired Wh...
yellow site clown
  05/22/25
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submissive stag film
  05/22/25
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rose cruise ship
  05/22/25
what happens when the truth comes out later?
Doobsian Kitty Cat
  05/22/25
Never does imo It's all a big ponzi scheme and everyone e...
yellow site clown
  05/22/25
people who make it see the truth immediately, xo autistd and...
Pearl misunderstood library
  05/23/25
I’m more of a look at my sent inbox and estimate type ...
180 elite queen of the night
  05/22/25
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Coiffed organic girlfriend theater stage
  05/23/25
While I would bill more than my actual time frequently, I ne...
thriller self-centered abode
  05/22/25
(superstar biglawyer)
Aphrodisiac school cafeteria blood rage
  05/22/25
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Pearl misunderstood library
  05/23/25
self preservation through mental gymnastics we're all good ...
Appetizing brindle toilet seat
  05/23/25
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Doobsian Kitty Cat
  05/22/25
If someone makes $15 an hour at McDonalds, you don't get to ...
Aquamarine french corn cake
  05/22/25
>Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 1...
bistre travel guidebook
  05/22/25
For a single email id do like a 0.3 or 0.4 but if you're ans...
Aquamarine french corn cake
  05/22/25
wait why cant they mop the floor when orders get slow
provocative shivering ceo half-breed
  05/22/25
When its super slow, they should. When its just a short ...
Aquamarine french corn cake
  05/22/25
im all for workers rights but i dont think mickey d's employ...
provocative shivering ceo half-breed
  05/22/25
...
Tripping electric furnace
  05/23/25
this guy gets it
pink impressive ape
  05/23/25
I bill mainly based upon the value of my work product to the...
charismatic internet-worthy rehab nibblets
  05/22/25
(Wachtel)
Tripping electric furnace
  05/23/25
Why would anyone be honest when you can inflate your hours b...
clear spectacular whorehouse twinkling uncleanness
  05/23/25
The thing most non-Jewish juniors don’t understand is ...
bistre travel guidebook
  05/23/25
Real talk: the people who get "caught" are overbil...
Out-of-control onyx forum
  05/23/25
I once had to bill more than 24 hours in a day, because our ...
salmon yarmulke
  05/23/25
I massively underbill by a few hundred hours a year, often t...
crystalline state
  05/23/25
lol
contagious nursing home indirect expression
  05/23/25
At my V5 prestigious elite M&A MFH shop at which I was c...
contagious nursing home indirect expression
  05/23/25
...
salmon yarmulke
  05/23/25
The first thing my biglaw partner told me on day 1 is that y...
violet flirting mediation
  05/23/25
I'm not even joking when I say that it's rare and heartwarmi...
Out-of-control onyx forum
  05/23/25
Wasn't this the premise for Jim Carrey's Liar Liar?
flesh dysfunction nowag
  05/23/25


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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:45 PM
Author: Doobsian Kitty Cat

i turned off my timer if I was just chatting with coworkers, browsing the internet for personal stuff, using the restroom.

also, if I accidentally left my timer running when I wasn't working, I subtracted the excess time based on my rough estimate.

under this system, the most i ever billed in a month was 230, and that was absolutely hellish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953664)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: contagious nursing home indirect expression

Look at this fucking nerd using a timer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955796)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: pink impressive ape

230 with no fluff is fucking insane. I routinely billed 200 a month but actually workd like a hundred or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956128)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:48 PM
Author: bistre travel guidebook

lol @ any "man" even using a timer, let alone turning it off. are u a fempoaster?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953677)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:10 PM
Author: rose cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953775)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: very tactful bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953683)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:51 PM
Author: Tripping electric furnace

When I was above 200 my bills were most honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953693)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:52 PM
Author: Racy Peach Locale Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953696)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:53 PM
Author: Citrine pit

I bill only for time where I'm 100% engaged, doing my best and adding value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953697)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:57 PM
Author: Tripping electric furnace

Partner: Please see me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953711)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:58 PM
Author: Racy Peach Locale Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953719)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:01 PM
Author: Citrine pit

I am the partner. That's what's so insane about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953730)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:10 PM
Author: rose cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953776)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: Coiffed organic girlfriend theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956167)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:55 PM
Author: maniacal range reading party

the internal moral stress of retaining honesty is a large reason why I left biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953704)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:18 AM
Author: pink impressive ape

why bother retaining honesty? the whole thing is fraud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956129)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:00 PM
Author: Misanthropic mad cow disease persian

On average probably padded 15 %. Consider it your “tip” for your services.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953725)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:11 PM
Author: rose cruise ship

18% is now normal and many biglaw firms are suggesting 20% or even 22%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953779)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:18 PM
Author: Misanthropic mad cow disease persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953815)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: flesh dysfunction nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953820)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:26 AM
Author: Tripping electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955678)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:12 PM
Author: Tripping electric furnace

My favorite story is still that Sidley associate who wrote an essay admitting to billing fraud and Sidley was like, “we checked and everything looked good to us. Here’s a ten percent rebate.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953784)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:13 PM
Author: bistre travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953787)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: yellow site clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953844)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:17 PM
Author: yellow site clown

Any time I've been honest I've been passed up or fired

When applying I'd give honest solid resumes all passed up

Then I lie even a little bit and they all bite

I tell clients realistic timetables that are still aggressive but reasonable passed or fired eventually

Now I straight up lie

Employment is a satanic system built around forcing u to lie cheat and steal in some sick humiliation ritual

Few ever see the truth about this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953813)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: submissive stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953819)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: rose cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953828)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 2:51 PM
Author: Doobsian Kitty Cat

what happens when the truth comes out later?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954139)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: yellow site clown

Never does imo

It's all a big ponzi scheme and everyone else is in on it trying not to be caught

Seems like u only get "caught" if u step out of line politically (call out jews etc) or are bottom of the barrel and are essentially a Aztec pyramid blood sacrifice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954150)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: Pearl misunderstood library

people who make it see the truth immediately, xo autistd and women struggle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955867)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: 180 elite queen of the night

I’m more of a look at my sent inbox and estimate type of bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954460)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: Coiffed organic girlfriend theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956169)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: thriller self-centered abode

While I would bill more than my actual time frequently, I never billed for more than the "value" of my work product. So yes I was honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954471)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:22 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac school cafeteria blood rage

(superstar biglawyer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954578)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: Pearl misunderstood library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955868)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: Appetizing brindle toilet seat

self preservation through mental gymnastics

we're all good people, right? especially me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956161)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: Doobsian Kitty Cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954529)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 9:45 PM
Author: Aquamarine french corn cake

If someone makes $15 an hour at McDonalds, you don't get to dock their pay because when the orders got slow, they chatted with their cowrker rather than mopped the floor.

The same thing applies to law. You take the time you were at work, working, and you divide proportionally.

It's not natural for a person to read 500 pages of bonds without a break - in fact most research says you need to take periodic breaks for your mind to regenerate.

YOu shouldn't "pause your timer" after draftig some document because you're taking a lap to the water cooler or checking Facebook for a bit because you can't rewrite Section 13.6 e.

Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 11 pm, and it takes you 3 minutes to respond - that's not billed as a 0.05 hour. You had to be on call to check for that email, then you lost the momentum from your evening, you're going to think about that email for 10 minutes after, and the deal will be in your head for whatever else you were planning on doing that night.

My point being that whenever your brain is required to be in "work mode" - someone should be paying for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955165)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:27 PM
Author: bistre travel guidebook

>Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 11 pm, and it takes you 3 minutes to respond - that's not billed as a 0.05 hour. You had to be on call to check for that email, then you lost the momentum from your evening, you're going to think about that email for 10 minutes after, and the deal will be in your head for whatever else you were planning on doing that night.

so what do you bill for that? 1.25 to me makes sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955247)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Aquamarine french corn cake

For a single email id do like a 0.3 or 0.4 but if you're answering multiple hours then i feel like the entire time is fair game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955262)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:35 PM
Author: provocative shivering ceo half-breed

wait why cant they mop the floor when orders get slow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955265)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:40 PM
Author: Aquamarine french corn cake

When its super slow, they should.

When its just a short break, people would quit if they were expected to be fully working 100% of the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955278)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: provocative shivering ceo half-breed

im all for workers rights but i dont think mickey d's employees can actually quit. thats mickey d's whole business model.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955287)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:28 AM
Author: Tripping electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955680)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: pink impressive ape

this guy gets it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956141)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:51 PM
Author: charismatic internet-worthy rehab nibblets

I bill mainly based upon the value of my work product to the client. If I work hard on something but don't end up with a product that helps the client very much then I will actually underbill for my hours spent. Usually the product is good, though, and then I'm pretty fucking loose in my billing. Me and everyone else I know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955307)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:28 AM
Author: Tripping electric furnace

(Wachtel)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955681)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:31 AM
Author: clear spectacular whorehouse twinkling uncleanness

Why would anyone be honest when you can inflate your hours by 50% without drawing suspicion? 1500 gets you fired, 2250 gets you a bonus. The only people who ever get caught do colossally stupid shit like bill more than 24 hours in a day, bill for work that was never done, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955722)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: bistre travel guidebook

The thing most non-Jewish juniors don’t understand is that the firm WANTS you to inflate your bill by 50%. Incentives are entirely aligned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955798)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:06 AM
Author: Out-of-control onyx forum

Real talk: the people who get "caught" are overbilling by 200-500%, not flame. It's like the young woman who spends too long with one foot out the door, or the dude with developing mental illness who's unable to do more than an hour or two of work a couple times a week. And they're ID'd for qualitative reasons, not the billing itself, which is often a straight-up pretext to expedite getting rid of the person.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955831)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: salmon yarmulke

I once had to bill more than 24 hours in a day, because our faggy billing system automatically populated 8 hours on holidays. I think this was for the benefit of the hourly employees, but it carried over for salaried lawyers too. Anyway, I ended up working an 18 hour day on Thanksgiving, which the system wouldn't accept. Getting that sorted with the billing system retard was a nightmare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956150)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: crystalline state

I massively underbill by a few hundred hours a year, often to the benefit of nobody (lots of contingency matters).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955792)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: contagious nursing home indirect expression

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955794)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: contagious nursing home indirect expression

At my V5 prestigious elite M&A MFH shop at which I was considered a top associate we had a universal understanding on asshole taxes for work that came in Friday afternoon with a “don’t kill your self on this, Monday AM is fine for a markup”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955799)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:31 AM
Author: salmon yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956165)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:08 AM
Author: violet flirting mediation

The first thing my biglaw partner told me on day 1 is that you never log anything less than a 0.4 even if you spend 30 seconds on it because whatever you’re doing is taking you away from something else you could be doing and billing for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955837)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:15 AM
Author: Out-of-control onyx forum

I'm not even joking when I say that it's rare and heartwarming to hear about a partner looking out for a young person like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955848)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: flesh dysfunction nowag

Wasn't this the premise for Jim Carrey's Liar Liar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956178)