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Was/is anyone here an HONEST biller in biglaw?

i turned off my timer if I was just chatting with coworkers,...
Narrow-minded aggressive spot newt
  05/22/25
Look at this fucking nerd using a timer
hyperventilating native
  05/23/25
230 with no fluff is fucking insane. I routinely billed 200 ...
Multi-colored Fluffy Den
  05/23/25
lol @ any "man" even using a timer, let alone turn...
Floppy fear-inspiring wrinkle
  05/22/25
...
dashing maniacal kitchen
  05/22/25
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Well-lubricated Sanctuary
  05/22/25
When I was above 200 my bills were most honest.
boyish address candlestick maker
  05/22/25
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Spectacular hell
  05/22/25
I bill only for time where I'm 100% engaged, doing my best a...
rose travel guidebook point
  05/22/25
Partner: Please see me
boyish address candlestick maker
  05/22/25
...
Spectacular hell
  05/22/25
I am the partner. That's what's so insane about this.
rose travel guidebook point
  05/22/25
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dashing maniacal kitchen
  05/22/25
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Galvanic salmon masturbator
  05/23/25
the internal moral stress of retaining honesty is a large re...
Laughsome ticket booth telephone
  05/22/25
why bother retaining honesty? the whole thing is fraud
Multi-colored Fluffy Den
  05/23/25
On average probably padded 15 %. Consider it your “tip...
Dead Fanboi
  05/22/25
18% is now normal and many biglaw firms are suggesting 20% o...
dashing maniacal kitchen
  05/22/25
...
Dead Fanboi
  05/22/25
...
razzle indirect expression theater
  05/22/25
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boyish address candlestick maker
  05/23/25
My favorite story is still that Sidley associate who wrote a...
boyish address candlestick maker
  05/22/25
...
Floppy fear-inspiring wrinkle
  05/22/25
...
Lake histrionic piazza
  05/22/25
Any time I've been honest I've been passed up or fired Wh...
Lake histrionic piazza
  05/22/25
...
Buck-toothed heaven
  05/22/25
...
dashing maniacal kitchen
  05/22/25
what happens when the truth comes out later?
Narrow-minded aggressive spot newt
  05/22/25
Never does imo It's all a big ponzi scheme and everyone e...
Lake histrionic piazza
  05/22/25
people who make it see the truth immediately, xo autistd and...
soul-stirring laser beams abode
  05/23/25
I’m more of a look at my sent inbox and estimate type ...
Frum odious tank
  05/22/25
...
Galvanic salmon masturbator
  05/23/25
While I would bill more than my actual time frequently, I ne...
Disturbing Excitant Indian Lodge
  05/22/25
(superstar biglawyer)
bearded vigorous step-uncle's house
  05/22/25
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soul-stirring laser beams abode
  05/23/25
self preservation through mental gymnastics we're all good ...
Dark contagious parlor
  05/23/25
...
Narrow-minded aggressive spot newt
  05/22/25
If someone makes $15 an hour at McDonalds, you don't get to ...
Wine Space
  05/22/25
>Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 1...
Floppy fear-inspiring wrinkle
  05/22/25
For a single email id do like a 0.3 or 0.4 but if you're ans...
Wine Space
  05/22/25
wait why cant they mop the floor when orders get slow
bateful jade ceo
  05/22/25
When its super slow, they should. When its just a short ...
Wine Space
  05/22/25
im all for workers rights but i dont think mickey d's employ...
bateful jade ceo
  05/22/25
...
boyish address candlestick maker
  05/23/25
this guy gets it
Multi-colored Fluffy Den
  05/23/25
I bill mainly based upon the value of my work product to the...
Motley temple
  05/22/25
(Wachtel)
boyish address candlestick maker
  05/23/25
Why would anyone be honest when you can inflate your hours b...
talented base deer antler
  05/23/25
The thing most non-Jewish juniors don’t understand is ...
Floppy fear-inspiring wrinkle
  05/23/25
Real talk: the people who get "caught" are overbil...
Bipolar offensive regret
  05/23/25
I once had to bill more than 24 hours in a day, because our ...
Lascivious Navy Stage Incel
  05/23/25
I massively underbill by a few hundred hours a year, often t...
Exhilarant macaca
  05/23/25
lol
hyperventilating native
  05/23/25
At my V5 prestigious elite M&A MFH shop at which I was c...
hyperventilating native
  05/23/25
...
Lascivious Navy Stage Incel
  05/23/25
The first thing my biglaw partner told me on day 1 is that y...
Lemon Location
  05/23/25
I'm not even joking when I say that it's rare and heartwarmi...
Bipolar offensive regret
  05/23/25
Wasn't this the premise for Jim Carrey's Liar Liar?
razzle indirect expression theater
  05/23/25


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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:45 PM
Author: Narrow-minded aggressive spot newt

i turned off my timer if I was just chatting with coworkers, browsing the internet for personal stuff, using the restroom.

also, if I accidentally left my timer running when I wasn't working, I subtracted the excess time based on my rough estimate.

under this system, the most i ever billed in a month was 230, and that was absolutely hellish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953664)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: hyperventilating native

Look at this fucking nerd using a timer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955796)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: Multi-colored Fluffy Den

230 with no fluff is fucking insane. I routinely billed 200 a month but actually workd like a hundred or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956128)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:48 PM
Author: Floppy fear-inspiring wrinkle

lol @ any "man" even using a timer, let alone turning it off. are u a fempoaster?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953677)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:10 PM
Author: dashing maniacal kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953775)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: Well-lubricated Sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953683)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:51 PM
Author: boyish address candlestick maker

When I was above 200 my bills were most honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953693)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:52 PM
Author: Spectacular hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953696)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:53 PM
Author: rose travel guidebook point

I bill only for time where I'm 100% engaged, doing my best and adding value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953697)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:57 PM
Author: boyish address candlestick maker

Partner: Please see me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953711)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:58 PM
Author: Spectacular hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953719)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:01 PM
Author: rose travel guidebook point

I am the partner. That's what's so insane about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953730)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:10 PM
Author: dashing maniacal kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953776)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: Galvanic salmon masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956167)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:55 PM
Author: Laughsome ticket booth telephone

the internal moral stress of retaining honesty is a large reason why I left biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953704)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:18 AM
Author: Multi-colored Fluffy Den

why bother retaining honesty? the whole thing is fraud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956129)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:00 PM
Author: Dead Fanboi

On average probably padded 15 %. Consider it your “tip” for your services.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953725)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:11 PM
Author: dashing maniacal kitchen

18% is now normal and many biglaw firms are suggesting 20% or even 22%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953779)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:18 PM
Author: Dead Fanboi



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953815)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: razzle indirect expression theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953820)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:26 AM
Author: boyish address candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955678)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:12 PM
Author: boyish address candlestick maker

My favorite story is still that Sidley associate who wrote an essay admitting to billing fraud and Sidley was like, “we checked and everything looked good to us. Here’s a ten percent rebate.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953784)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:13 PM
Author: Floppy fear-inspiring wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953787)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Lake histrionic piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953844)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:17 PM
Author: Lake histrionic piazza

Any time I've been honest I've been passed up or fired

When applying I'd give honest solid resumes all passed up

Then I lie even a little bit and they all bite

I tell clients realistic timetables that are still aggressive but reasonable passed or fired eventually

Now I straight up lie

Employment is a satanic system built around forcing u to lie cheat and steal in some sick humiliation ritual

Few ever see the truth about this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953813)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Buck-toothed heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953819)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: dashing maniacal kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48953828)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 2:51 PM
Author: Narrow-minded aggressive spot newt

what happens when the truth comes out later?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954139)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Lake histrionic piazza

Never does imo

It's all a big ponzi scheme and everyone else is in on it trying not to be caught

Seems like u only get "caught" if u step out of line politically (call out jews etc) or are bottom of the barrel and are essentially a Aztec pyramid blood sacrifice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954150)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: soul-stirring laser beams abode

people who make it see the truth immediately, xo autistd and women struggle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955867)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Frum odious tank

I’m more of a look at my sent inbox and estimate type of bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954460)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: Galvanic salmon masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956169)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Disturbing Excitant Indian Lodge

While I would bill more than my actual time frequently, I never billed for more than the "value" of my work product. So yes I was honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954471)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:22 PM
Author: bearded vigorous step-uncle's house

(superstar biglawyer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954578)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: soul-stirring laser beams abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955868)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: Dark contagious parlor

self preservation through mental gymnastics

we're all good people, right? especially me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956161)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: Narrow-minded aggressive spot newt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48954529)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 9:45 PM
Author: Wine Space

If someone makes $15 an hour at McDonalds, you don't get to dock their pay because when the orders got slow, they chatted with their cowrker rather than mopped the floor.

The same thing applies to law. You take the time you were at work, working, and you divide proportionally.

It's not natural for a person to read 500 pages of bonds without a break - in fact most research says you need to take periodic breaks for your mind to regenerate.

YOu shouldn't "pause your timer" after draftig some document because you're taking a lap to the water cooler or checking Facebook for a bit because you can't rewrite Section 13.6 e.

Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 11 pm, and it takes you 3 minutes to respond - that's not billed as a 0.05 hour. You had to be on call to check for that email, then you lost the momentum from your evening, you're going to think about that email for 10 minutes after, and the deal will be in your head for whatever else you were planning on doing that night.

My point being that whenever your brain is required to be in "work mode" - someone should be paying for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955165)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:27 PM
Author: Floppy fear-inspiring wrinkle

>Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 11 pm, and it takes you 3 minutes to respond - that's not billed as a 0.05 hour. You had to be on call to check for that email, then you lost the momentum from your evening, you're going to think about that email for 10 minutes after, and the deal will be in your head for whatever else you were planning on doing that night.

so what do you bill for that? 1.25 to me makes sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955247)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Wine Space

For a single email id do like a 0.3 or 0.4 but if you're answering multiple hours then i feel like the entire time is fair game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955262)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:35 PM
Author: bateful jade ceo

wait why cant they mop the floor when orders get slow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955265)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:40 PM
Author: Wine Space

When its super slow, they should.

When its just a short break, people would quit if they were expected to be fully working 100% of the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955278)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: bateful jade ceo

im all for workers rights but i dont think mickey d's employees can actually quit. thats mickey d's whole business model.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955287)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:28 AM
Author: boyish address candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955680)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: Multi-colored Fluffy Den

this guy gets it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956141)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:51 PM
Author: Motley temple

I bill mainly based upon the value of my work product to the client. If I work hard on something but don't end up with a product that helps the client very much then I will actually underbill for my hours spent. Usually the product is good, though, and then I'm pretty fucking loose in my billing. Me and everyone else I know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955307)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:28 AM
Author: boyish address candlestick maker

(Wachtel)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955681)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:31 AM
Author: talented base deer antler

Why would anyone be honest when you can inflate your hours by 50% without drawing suspicion? 1500 gets you fired, 2250 gets you a bonus. The only people who ever get caught do colossally stupid shit like bill more than 24 hours in a day, bill for work that was never done, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955722)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: Floppy fear-inspiring wrinkle

The thing most non-Jewish juniors don’t understand is that the firm WANTS you to inflate your bill by 50%. Incentives are entirely aligned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955798)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:06 AM
Author: Bipolar offensive regret

Real talk: the people who get "caught" are overbilling by 200-500%, not flame. It's like the young woman who spends too long with one foot out the door, or the dude with developing mental illness who's unable to do more than an hour or two of work a couple times a week. And they're ID'd for qualitative reasons, not the billing itself, which is often a straight-up pretext to expedite getting rid of the person.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955831)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: Lascivious Navy Stage Incel

I once had to bill more than 24 hours in a day, because our faggy billing system automatically populated 8 hours on holidays. I think this was for the benefit of the hourly employees, but it carried over for salaried lawyers too. Anyway, I ended up working an 18 hour day on Thanksgiving, which the system wouldn't accept. Getting that sorted with the billing system retard was a nightmare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956150)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: Exhilarant macaca

I massively underbill by a few hundred hours a year, often to the benefit of nobody (lots of contingency matters).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955792)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: hyperventilating native

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955794)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: hyperventilating native

At my V5 prestigious elite M&A MFH shop at which I was considered a top associate we had a universal understanding on asshole taxes for work that came in Friday afternoon with a “don’t kill your self on this, Monday AM is fine for a markup”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955799)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:31 AM
Author: Lascivious Navy Stage Incel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956165)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:08 AM
Author: Lemon Location

The first thing my biglaw partner told me on day 1 is that you never log anything less than a 0.4 even if you spend 30 seconds on it because whatever you’re doing is taking you away from something else you could be doing and billing for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955837)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:15 AM
Author: Bipolar offensive regret

I'm not even joking when I say that it's rare and heartwarming to hear about a partner looking out for a young person like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48955848)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: razzle indirect expression theater

Wasn't this the premise for Jim Carrey's Liar Liar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2E#48956178)