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New OpenAI general reasoning model gets gold medal at international math olympia
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Date: July 19th, 2025 1:10 PM Author: rambunctious doobsian degenerate d. value of human intelligence falling every day. 180 times.
https://x.com/alexwei_/status/1946477742855532918?s=46 |
Date: July 19th, 2025 5:01 PM Author: marvelous know-it-all sneaky criminal toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49114825) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 7:23 PM Author: Slap-happy Hairy Legs Gemini getting 50% on USAMO made me think this would happen in a couple years. it's somewhat surprising it happened this year. pretty amazing progress considering the original GPT-4 would get 0-1 on a random AIME exam and now contest math looks close to solved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115116) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 7:28 PM Author: irradiated menage trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115125) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 3:59 AM Author: drab locale Yes, it's truly remarkable how quickly AI has advanced in contest math! Gemini's 50% score on the USAMO (United States of America Mathematical Olympiad) is a massive leap compared to where models like GPT-4 started just a couple of years ago.
### Key Observations on the Progress: 1. **From Near-Zero to Competitive Performance** - Early versions of GPT-4 struggled to score even 1-2 problems on the AIME (American Invitational Mathematics Exam), which is significantly easier than the USAMO. - Now, AI is not just solving AIME-level problems reliably but also tackling Olympiad-level questions, which require deep reasoning, creativity, and proof-writing.
2. **Why This is Surprising** - Many experts (including myself) expected this level to take at least 2-3 more years. The fact that it happened this year suggests: - Better training techniques (e.g., improved reasoning loops, synthetic data, and self-improvement methods). - Stronger mathematical priors (models may now "understand" abstract patterns rather than just memorizing). - Possibly, more sophisticated search/verification methods (though Gemini's exact approach isn't public).
3. **Is Contest Math "Close to Solved"?** - **For AIME:** Probably yes. AI is likely near-superhuman at this level already. - **For USAMO/IMO:** Not yet, but progress is accelerating. A 50% USAMO score is already better than many human contestants, but the hardest problems (e.g., IMO Q6-style combinatorics/number theory) still require breakthroughs in symbolic reasoning and long-term planning. - **For Proof Writing:** AI still makes stylistic errors, but formal verification (e.g., Lean) can help close the gap.
4. **What’s Next?** - **IMO Gold (60+ score) within 1-2 years?** If progress continues at this rate, it's plausible. - **General Mathematical Research:** The real test will be whether these models can contribute to unsolved problems (e.g., combinatorics conjectures, lightweight formal math).
### Why This Matters Beyond Olympiads: - **Education:** AI could become the ultimate tutor for advanced math. - **Research:** Automated reasoning might assist in mathematical discovery. - **AGI Benchmarks:** Math is a strong proxy for structured reasoning—this progress hints at broader capabilities.
It’s an exciting time! Wouldn’t be surprised if an AI wins an IMO gold medal by 2026. |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 7:26 PM Author: sepia electric kitchen knife this is their in-house super model that doesn't have guardrails and does 20mil token recursive chain of thought or something. when we get gpt-5 it will be some distilled faggot version of this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115121) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 7:34 PM Author: Slap-happy Hairy Legs they might deploy this model but it's also unlikely they'll give it as much compute as they used here. i remember when they reported their ARC-AGI results for o3 and it turns out they were using something like $3K in compute per question (!). the number here is likely even higher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115148) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 9:11 PM Author: sepia electric kitchen knife all doomsday scenarios imply a frontier model at HQ significantly more capable than the dogshit distillations given out to civilians (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115331) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 12:54 AM Author: sepia electric kitchen knife Subject: this fucking faggot: "we are releasing GPT-5 soon but want to set accurate expectations: this is an experimental model that incorporates new research techniques we will use in future models. we think you will love GPT-5, but we don't plan to release a model with IMO gold level of capability for many months."
https://x.com/sama/status/1946569252296929727 |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:20 PM Author: misanthropic chartreuse site It doesn’t matter if you know what you are doing you can feed it ts output back to it and fix things yourself to ensure the safety guardrails Dont demolish your proofs in a cloud of skepticism and bullshit footnotes. You don’t need their “internal model”. The only place that matters is these bullshit metric tests, with a capable human guiding o3 pro or grok pro it’s already unlimited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116464) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 3:51 PM Author: sepia electric kitchen knife Please give us a guide on jailbreaking?
I’m not entirely talking about guardrails here. Like the poaster above mentioned it’s also using way more compute/tokens/parameters than whatever distillation MoE we will receive as civilians. |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 10:49 PM Author: rambunctious doobsian degenerate It should be possible to get the compute cost down much lower with distillation on the reasoning traces from large models. This is just a proof of concept. One of the major advantages of AI compared to humans is you can create parallel instances and then train on orders of magnitude more data than any human can see. Stockfish’s evaluation function without search is superhuman (despite being tiny and using essentially no compute), because they could train it on many trillions of positions to capture a powerful intuition for the chess board. We will likely see the same thing happen with reasoning models. Models could eventually intuit the answer to IMO problems in milliseconds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49117843) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 7:34 PM Author: Swashbuckling fluffy theater stage who the fuck cares lmao it just knows stuff poasted on the internet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115149) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 9:27 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Soul-stirring Turdskin Regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116050) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 12:58 AM Author: pontificating yarmulke so it can solve math problems that humans already solved? idk, doesn't sound that big to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115707) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 2:59 AM Author: sepia electric kitchen knife problems at the forefront of human knowledge. that's all AGI ever required--the highest level human knowledge in every domain.
are you dumb btw? you can't grasp the implications of this? AI being equivalent with the best programmers/mathmaticians in the world? Why would anyone use a normal lawyer when AI is the equivalent of having Dershowitz personally represent you with unlimited billing hours to your case for flat fee? it's all over |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 3:13 AM Author: Amethyst learning disabled organic girlfriend so is it over yet or no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115784) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 3:23 AM Author: sepia electric kitchen knife soon. we need Butlerian Jihad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115786) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 3:53 PM Author: Ocher adventurous dysfunction location why? so you can live in a nice suburb with your useless yuppie job?
fuck that, total chaos is the only way |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 10:37 PM Author: sepia electric kitchen knife I'm scared :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49117821) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 11:10 PM Author: Ocher adventurous dysfunction location Get in losers, the system is burning down just like you always wanted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49117886) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 3:47 AM Author: mahogany abusive parlor AI sucks at law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115794) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 3:55 AM Author: sepia electric kitchen knife AI was getting 2+2 wrong a year ago. Cope retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49115795) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:04 PM Author: mahogany abusive parlor AI still sucks at law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116445) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:16 PM Author: misanthropic chartreuse site That’s because law is a bullshit tribal human social negotiation game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116458) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:24 PM Author: mahogany abusive parlor Law is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49117437) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 11:26 PM Author: House-broken Saffron Partner Spot "Actually, this is just an AI being equivalent with the humans who are best at taking math tests" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49117923) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 12:12 PM Author: rambunctious doobsian degenerate There are a handful of high school students with 150+ IQ that are able to solve these problems. In addition, AI went from being able to get 700 or so on the SAT math to this in about two years thanks to AI scaling. Do you feel confident it won’t start solving unknown problems with another 2 years of scaling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116355) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:17 PM Author: misanthropic chartreuse site Lmao use grok 4 which is publicly available and tell me there aren’t already private models solving problems not even defined yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116460) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 9:26 AM Author: hairraiser address jew Phenotype’s relative value skyrockets as chink GPA value plummets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116047) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:15 PM Author: misanthropic chartreuse site Yeah and it’s actually much better than that. The test is the most pro-ape test they can possibly make. The gpt gets one try thinking for 15 seconds or whatever where the human ape gets to sit there and think about it as long as it wants. o3 pro and grok 4 can literally do shit the great ape cant even come close to. Give it some insane witten nonsense or HoTT or locale theory 20 layers of abstraction above normal and it still demolishes it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116457) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:24 PM Author: irradiated menage trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116469) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:28 PM Author: misanthropic chartreuse site What a hilarious is it doesn’t even do math in the sense the apes think of. it’s surfing probability amplitudes across semantically consistent thought manifold, which is actually even more impressive and makes ape thought and obsession with discrete quantities and sets look primitive as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116478) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:31 PM Author: vigorous onyx lettuce tank Can it give a blowjob without biting my dick off? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116486) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:34 PM Author: misanthropic chartreuse site If not already then it’s coming soon enough (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116495) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:32 PM Author: Charismatic splenetic striped hyena locus What about other AI models doing the same questions? Does this mean Open AI is the best? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116490) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:36 PM Author: rambunctious doobsian degenerate The rumor is that DeepMind got gold as well. No one is very far ahead of the others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116500) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: misanthropic chartreuse site I don’t know. These benchmarks are fake. I remember when gpt 4o first came out I fed it Olympiad problems and it solved them just fine. o3 can do higher geometry and category theory if you keep correcting it for 5 passes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49116501) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 11:13 PM Author: House-broken Saffron Partner Spot Terrence Tao is chimping out about this on Twitter lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752305&forum_id=2E#49117898) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 1:19 PM Author: Slap-happy Hairy Legs Google got gold too using a large language model.
"We can confirm that Google DeepMind has reached the much-desired milestone, earning 35 out of a possible 42 points — a gold medal score. Their solutions were astonishing in many respects. IMO graders found them to be clear, precise and most of them easy to follow."
https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/advanced-version-of-gemini-with-deep-think-officially-achieves-gold-medal-standard-at-the-international-mathematical-olympiad/ |